Quote: (07-17-2014 08:16 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Of course, people that live in downtown los angeles breathe the equivalent of a pack a day just from the smog.

Quote: (07-16-2014 02:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Prediction of next guy to come out of anoymity: Fisto

If I recall correctly, there were one or two of him in the "Pictures of girls you've banged" thread. Not sure if those got taken down.

Quote: (07-16-2014 08:47 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

If you knew my Mom you wouldn't say that, but I'm still

Thanks, I'll be here through Thursday, be sure to tip your servers.

And that's really me in my avatar, looking fine in my kilt.

Quote: (07-17-2014 05:37 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

I seriously thought you were the fucker on the thumbnail of your books.

+1

McQueen-
How tall are you?

it's cool your out there like that. I think being public serves building a brad better in the long run. People trust what they can see.

Another thing is in the grand scheme of things- people aren't going to sit around worrying all day what a top game instructor looks like. If nythintheyll say man what do I need to do to pull girls as fine as the big it blonde in the brown top sitting with McQueen- that's all I really ask myself.

I pictured G Manifesto being a slick suited up street hustler Slim Tony Montana archetype. I always thought your be some sandy blonde jacked up Mid-Western dude by the voice.

My Dad looks a lot like you when he was young- either one of you could be movie stars.

I'm more like mike CF big and creepy and look like Robert Downey jr.

Tuthmosis 1, Eradicator 0:

"I've heard people say that living in L.A. is like smoking a pack a day--clearly, that's nonsense," says Dr. John Peters, professor of preventive medicine at the USC School of Medicine. But risk--and risk we didn't sign up for--is still there. "Whether it's like smoking one cigarette a day, half a cigarette a day, a tenth a day--we don't know," Peters says.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jul/05/health/he-53061

The wind blows that shit way to the east and up against the mountains anyway... It's when you drive through San Bernardino on the way to LV that it feels like you're sucking fumes from a bus tailpipe.

Much respect, Christian.

Quote: (07-16-2014 09:29 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Damn, now I wish I had done this for ROK this week.

You still can. RoK gets more attention than the forum, so for a lot of RoK readers it would be news. It would also be gangbusters for your brand--undeniable proof that you words match your lifestyle, on one of the biggest Manosphere sites around.

On a somewhat related note, I found this from a few months back:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/05...n-mcqueen/

Some choice quotes from the comments:

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More like Alpha Playboy Fairytales.

It’s times like this that I wish I knew a real “playboy” to debunk this shit. What these amateur wanna-bes can’t comprehend is that their disdain for women and their pathological and sophomoric need to punish all women because they’ve had their poor little feelings hurt gives them away. I highly doubt men living a real playboy life has to spend so much time coming up with faux game like these losers do.

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Based on these clues, I conclude that Professor McQueen did it with the blow-up doll in the conservatory.

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Oh boy, a Quality PUA Blogger™. Please, Your Sageness, enlighten us!

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Christian, I don’t actually read your blog every day. I saw the headline on “the daily manosphere” and thought, “that sounds like the most ridiculous piece of crap I’m likely to read today, I’d better check that out.”

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Has MacQueen ever so much as had a more-than-superficial conversation with an actual flesh-and-blood woman?

Christian, how delicious are their tears, and will you be bottling them and selling them online?

Quote: (07-17-2014 03:33 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

On a somewhat related note, I found this from a few months back:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/05...n-mcqueen/

Some choice quotes from the comments:

Quote:Quote:

More like Alpha Playboy Fairytales.

It’s times like this that I wish I knew a real “playboy” to debunk this shit. What these amateur wanna-bes can’t comprehend is that their disdain for women and their pathological and sophomoric need to punish all women because they’ve had their poor little feelings hurt gives them away. I highly doubt men living a real playboy life has to spend so much time coming up with faux game like these losers do.

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Based on these clues, I conclude that Professor McQueen did it with the blow-up doll in the conservatory.

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Oh boy, a Quality PUA Blogger™. Please, Your Sageness, enlighten us!

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Christian, I don’t actually read your blog every day. I saw the headline on “the daily manosphere” and thought, “that sounds like the most ridiculous piece of crap I’m likely to read today, I’d better check that out.”

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Has MacQueen ever so much as had a more-than-superficial conversation with an actual flesh-and-blood woman?

Christian, how delicious are their tears, and will you be bottling them and selling them online?

Nah, you can't win with these people, who are determined to believe success is possible through self-motivation and effort. They'll just say the pics are 'obviously photoshopped', or that Christian has just stolen a bunch of pics from 'The Rich Kids Of Instagram' tag, even though guys are confirming his identity.

Don't waste your time worrying about the concerns of losers. They will always be losers.

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:00 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Don't waste your time worrying about the concerns of losers. They will always be losers.

I *mostly* agree. My concern is for men who need help, who are in a rough place and could use guidance, who get terrible advice from people like those losers. Or who get turned off from Game in the first place because every single person around them is demonizing it. While I don't lose any sleep as to what people like Manboobz say, I do support any and all efforts to provide evidence that Game works in the hopes that men in need see this evidence and get assistance to make their lives better. Someone like Christian coming forward provides indisputable evidence (at least, indisputable to people who aren't totally batshit) that Game has value.

Love the swag McQueen. As it happened, I also semi-believed you were the guy on the cover of your book. For some reason I picture Dagonet's voice fitting you more naturally than your own...

I don't want to join the train line of guys that have already hopped on your dick, but it surely must help that you're a good looking guy - and if I remember correctly, you yourself said that looks DO matter on some level. Respect for saying that from the beginning.

Either way, best of luck with your career and everything that comes from this. I hope it all works out for you man, I really do.

Has anyone in the history of PUA ever said that looks don't matter?

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:10 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

I *mostly* agree. My concern is for men who need help, who are in a rough place and could use guidance, who get terrible advice from people like those losers. Or who get turned off from Game in the first place because every single person around them is demonizing it.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, but I think there's a certain type of man who bases their beliefs on how easy that makes their road. You can't help them, because they can't help themselves.

Remember the cat who wrote the huge essays asking why game hadn't worked, and was presented with a tonne of advice and offered free help by some of the top level men here, that I identified had a self-defeatist nature and told him, in good faith, to seek out counselling to help with that?

I facepalmed when he decided to move to Asia without taking up McQueen's offer. It's a classic avoidance tactic of dealing with your problems, particularly beloved of women: 'everything will be different when I'm in a new place', not realising the attitude that had made him fail here is internal, and will follow him.

Know where to expend your sympathetic energy.

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Has anyone in the history of PUA ever said that looks don't matter?

As part of a physical program, not to my knowledge. In terms of marketing, it's ever-present. A lot of the marketing stuff revolves around stuff like "you can sleep with beautiful women, and it doesn't matter what you look like."

The "looks don't matter" idea was created in order to divest men from the belief that only looks and money attract women. Looks absolutely matter, but a guy with average looks tight game has an advantage over good looking guys with no game. Obviously, the best thing is to have good looks and tight game.

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Has anyone in the history of PUA ever said that looks don't matter?

Some professional PUAs have stated that. But the current good schools usually state the truth that it matters to a good degree.

Actually I thought that CMQ would be even more good-looking, but of course in real life with the voice, Game-level, self-confidence and established Charisma he comes off probably way more good-looking to women raising him to a male 9 and beyond.

And there are likely guys out there who have a lot worse looks and may even do better than CMQ. But anyone who thinks that looks brought him to where he is now is completely deluded.

Quote: (07-17-2014 03:33 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Much respect, Christian.

Quote: (07-16-2014 09:29 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Damn, now I wish I had done this for ROK this week.

You still can. RoK gets more attention than the forum, so for a lot of RoK readers it would be news. It would also be gangbusters for your brand--undeniable proof that you words match your lifestyle, on one of the biggest Manosphere sites around.

On a somewhat related note, I found this from a few months back:

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/04/05...n-mcqueen/

Some choice quotes from the comments:

Quote:Quote:

More like Alpha Playboy Fairytales.

It’s times like this that I wish I knew a real “playboy” to debunk this shit. What these amateur wanna-bes can’t comprehend is that their disdain for women and their pathological and sophomoric need to punish all women because they’ve had their poor little feelings hurt gives them away. I highly doubt men living a real playboy life has to spend so much time coming up with faux game like these losers do.

Quote:Quote:

Based on these clues, I conclude that Professor McQueen did it with the blow-up doll in the conservatory.

Quote:Quote:

Oh boy, a Quality PUA Blogger™. Please, Your Sageness, enlighten us!

Quote:Quote:

Christian, I don’t actually read your blog every day. I saw the headline on “the daily manosphere” and thought, “that sounds like the most ridiculous piece of crap I’m likely to read today, I’d better check that out.”

Quote:Quote:

Has MacQueen ever so much as had a more-than-superficial conversation with an actual flesh-and-blood woman?

Christian, how delicious are their tears, and will you be bottling them and selling them online?

AB said it perfectly.

I'm not trippin about them. It's easy to sit behind the computer and write negative comments as they have anonymously, but whatever. I'm too busy living my life to trip on petty people.

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Has anyone in the history of PUA ever said that looks don't matter?

They always say they matter to an extent but even if you are not good looking you can control a lot of that by working out, better style and fashion etc.

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:41 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Remember the cat who wrote the huge essays asking why game hadn't worked, and was presented with a tonne of advice and offered free help by some of the top level men here, that I identified had a self-defeatist nature and told him, in good faith, to seek out counselling to help with that?

I facepalmed when he decided to move to Asia without taking up McQueen's offer. It's a classic avoidance tactic of dealing with your problems, particularly beloved of women: 'everything will be different when I'm in a new place', not realising the attitude that had made him fail here is internal, and will follow him.

Some guys who have trouble attracting women would be better served by going to a psychologist or psychiatrist than by learning game. Guys without game do get laid, although not nearly as often or by nearly as many women.

It's why the whole "nice guy" thing doesn't work. Women aren't stupid. They know that a guy is trying to get something from them. "Nice guys" often have crippling beliefs that would be better solved in therapy than with "inner game" stuff, in my opinion.

I disagree. Psychologists and analysis don't know about attracting women. What we do- what we've researched about the human mind.. It would be considered taboo in the university setting where they are trained.

Quote: (07-17-2014 07:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

I disagree. Psychologists and analysis don't know about attracting women. What we do- what we've researched about the human mind.. It would be considered taboo in the university setting where they are trained.

I wasn't suggesting therapy to help him meet women. It was to deal with that poster's obvious self-defeatist, self-sabotaging attitude that dripped from every statement he made about himself.

He had no self-worth, was constantly belittling himself, and was choosing to see the negative in every opportunity.

He asked why game hadn't worked for him. That's why. He needed to see a psych to fix those issues first, and then work on game, otherwise every approach would be waiting for the rejection he believed he deserved, and girls would sense that, and recognise an unhappy guy that they wouldn't want to be around.

This is why I knew at the time he wouldn't take McQueen up on his offer: his mindset was such that he couldn't imagine the possibility of himself being happy.

When McQueen said "I will get you laid, and she won't be a prostitute," his entire self-construction was threatened, and he did exactly what I quietly-suspected, turned tail and ran from the possibility of misery, to the safety of the devil he knows, to keep on doing what he always did, whilst expecting things to be different this time.

I was trying to be very kids glove with the guy, in the wake of the Elliot Rodgers thing, but he didn't need medication or anti-depressants, just an awareness of his internal monologue that was sabotaging him. Mike's series on State Control might have done the trick.

You can't really change people's opinions through logic in the way that you can solve a math problem.. You can show people the facts but it won't necessarily change their minds.

This is all about frame and breaking through the frame of game denialism.

Game denialism isn't about depression though.. It's about people just not being able to take a leap of faith. This stuff really looks like magic to people on the outside. Guys in the Bluepill are living under an almost medieval type of fantastical superstition when it comes to their perspective on women.

I think about practitioners of zen meditation. They can tell you that there path is the way to enlightenment.. And they might be right, but there's no way that person they are selling to will able to really get it without devoting a lot of time and energy.

For the guy who is offered the choice between blue and redpill, it's a huge gamble to commit to game.. From their perspective. A lot I guys, myself included, will have to or have had almost completely deconstruct their personas, and disregard the accepted knowledge and mores to take a journey into what can be a very dark path. It's scary.

I can understand why a lot of guys would not want to mess with this stuff. It's usually those of us who have bottomed out with regards to our interpretation of what's going who take the plunge- we know that things are off, we are terrified of the life of boredom and no pussy and equally inspired by the legends of men who have slayed the dragon and won the keys to poosy paradise.

By coming out like he has, McQueen is offering those guys on the fence a helping hand. He's demonstrating that he is real, what he says is real and works and that it isn't uncool.

I think it will inspire a lot of guys to check out the game and will probably give them a little more faith in it. Maybe just enough to push them to give it a serious try.

I believe that the more guys get at game, the higher standards will become, thirstyness will reduce, and women will go back to doing what they can to try impress men instead of walking over them.

For these reasons, I think it's a good move.

Quote: (07-17-2014 09:54 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-17-2014 08:16 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Of course, people that live in downtown los angeles breathe the equivalent of a pack a day just from the smog.

hmmm

Quote: (07-17-2014 04:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Has anyone in the history of PUA ever said that looks don't matter?

RSD tyler.

Relevant to discussion: http://blockedurl.com/2014/07/18/do-look...r-in-game/

I don't get why people still ask if looks matter. There are over decades of empirical data that confirms that looks do no matter when it comes to "attracting" a woman. (I use the term "attracting" loosely here because a woman can either be attracted to you physically, emotionally, or both)

Quote: (07-17-2014 07:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

I disagree. Psychologists and analysis don't know about attracting women. What we do- what we've researched about the human mind.. It would be considered taboo in the university setting where they are trained.

I'm not talking about attracting women. Some of these guys have absolutely horrible mindsets that exist for a number of reasons. Therapy (stuff like rational emotive behavior therapy) can help eliminate delusions that inhibit men from improving with women. In my opinion, game is not a series of tactics and techniques, although that can definitely be useful.

Game is really, on a most basic level, a measurement of how comfortable you are with yourself. If you're not comfortable with yourself, it's tough to be successful. As I've said, women aren't stupid. They know when you're playing a character, and after awhile, the character charade has to end. Also, I don't really want to get into a pissing match about this, but there's very limited scientific support for game. It works, no doubt, but I wonder whether or not it works for the reasons we think it does.

Anyway, going back to my original point, telling guys to seek therapy is not to help them get better with women immediately. It's to make them emotionally normal men, and from there, learning game is really not that tough. A lot of the guys who get into this stuff are not emotionally healthy, at least in the beginning. I know that I wasn't; I had a lot of resentment towards my ex-girlfriend, and I had to work through that before I really started getting better.