Here's the best quote:

Quote:Quote:

1. Find a beautiful girl who, for some reason, is insecure or unaware of her value (she almost always is under 25).
2. Find a beautiful girl who lives in a city that lacks good men while having a disproportionate amount of other beautiful women.
3. Be a 10 guy who is higher value than just about everyone

1. I disagree here. In 2014, there's too much attention whoring on FB/Instag/Twit for any girl to be unaware of her value. Maybe this was possible back 10 years ago, but definitely not now.

2. Agree
3. Agree

Economics tells us that when a good is in excess, its value drops. When a good is scarce, its value increases. If you live in area with few high SMV men and lots of high SMV women, hot women are cheap and your value is high.

The problem is that it's difficult to find such a place. High SMV men and women congregate together, as do lower SMVs.

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:33 PM)Trev Wrote:  

You raise a good question, and the article is definitely worth discussion.

I have only read the piece once, and I consider myself a newcomer to both Game, and this esteemed forum, so correct my comments if they show a lack of understanding.

Men can be hypergamous? Why bang down?

Not sure if serious.

If I see $100 on the ground, i'll pick it up.
If I see a dime on the ground, I'll pick that up too.

The blogs tell you that a man will only date his level or above.

Reality tells me that a guy will fuck the nearest chick with the least amount of effort. Men are fundamentally lazy about sex.

Beta game is primarily passive. Get good grades, get a good job, get a good salary - then you get a good wife.

It's only after years of studying and not partying, being the tortoise not the hare, the ant not the grasshopper that you realize you've been duped. That makes a lot of men VERY ANGRY.


WIA

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:13 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

Here's the best quote:

Quote:Quote:

1. Find a beautiful girl who, for some reason, is insecure or unaware of her value (she almost always is under 25).
2. Find a beautiful girl who lives in a city that lacks good men while having a disproportionate amount of other beautiful women.
3. Be a 10 guy who is higher value than just about everyone

1. I disagree here. In 2014, there's too much attention whoring on FB/Instag/Twit for any girl to be unaware of her value. Maybe this was possible back 10 years ago, but definitely not now.

2. Agree
3. Agree

Economics tells us that when a good is in excess, its value drops. When a good is scarce, its value increases. If you live in area with few high SMV men and lots of high SMV women, hot women are cheap and your value is high.

The problem is that it's difficult to find such a place. High SMV men and women congregate together, as do lower SMVs.

All 3 of those situations require less Game. Which contradicts his edict of 'learn Game'. (?)

your anology of economics is a paraphrasing of Game ideology. Eg: Be/act quality/high value if you want to acquire quality/high value.

This is some good analysis. You should write more.

That being said, is do you apply this to OP?

Are the Bloggers like Roissy and Rollo who follow this sort of SMV/10's require more game unconsciously creating the very thing that they despise?

WIA

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:29 PM)Noir Wrote:  

What if we consider that woman live their realities through men?

Their attraction and investment causes them to ping off you as your opinion of them becomes increasingly important to them (aftermath see: girls after guys dump them). You can control this easily.

I believe this.

It comes down to how much you value her in your eyes. The higher you think she is e.g 9 the more your behaviour will alter. The same is for her, if she sees you as a 9 but in comparison to the 7 she views herself is, automatically she will become more amicable and agreeable/romantic/thought/wtvr.

I reckon this is where 'judge a woman by her behaviour not her looks' comes in to play.

Here, status/game/+1 traits matter and you league up to score hotties who will consider you above them.

This is macro behaviour/prequisities.

Allow me to simplify and say it comes down to how you treat them and essentially, your alternative options. Woman want what other women want and when they have it they will try anything they can to keep it. If she treats you well and takes care of you, you should 'reward' her lest her actions become malicious and cause bullshit drama.

This is micro-behaviour moulding the macro-prerequisites.

Also,

re: Original article: "when I’m out with her on my arm and see many girls more beautiful than her, I feel like a failure."

This will affect most social savvy guys I think who aren't thirsty. Once you are tuned in to this frequency, you already know what up in a room when you walk in with a girl who is below your league. Sure, she may be cool, great in bed or even rich but you already know whats up.

This comes back to Krauser's "you are more invested in others opinion of you than yourself" and it is difficult to overcome given the context. You know you can do better and it's the subtle reminder. I know this because I see so many guys every day who could do better and I can't help but judge. 80/20.

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:33 PM)Trev Wrote:  

You raise a good question, and the article is definitely worth discussion.

I have only read the piece once, and I consider myself a newcomer to both Game, and this esteemed forum, so correct my comments if they show a lack of understanding.

Men can be hypergamous? Why bang down?

Not sure if serious.

If I see $100 on the ground, i'll pick it up.
If I see a dime on the ground, I'll pick that up too.

The blogs tell you that a man will only date his level or above.

Reality tells me that a guy will fuck the nearest chick with the least amount of effort. Men are fundamentally lazy about sex.

Beta game is primarily passive. Get good grades, get a good job, get a good salary - then you get a good wife.

It's only after years of studying and not partying, being the tortoise not the hare, the ant not the grasshopper that you realize you've been duped. That makes a lot of men VERY ANGRY.


WIA

For the sake of the discussion, he rates himself a 7.5, then says he is unhappy when with a 7.5 or below. Surely that is a working display of hypergamy? Wanting to mate upwards.

I'm not trying to argue, trying to understand.

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:34 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

And yes, there is a big difference between get a high quality girl to have sex with you once or twice and getting her to commit to a relationship with you. Alcohol/drugs and circumstances plays a big part in getting some casual sex BUT a relationship is not a one night stand and requires a different level/type of game.

Again, I don't believe in this "high quality girl" concept.

A girl is a girl. Your kindergarten teacher will have some issue that she is hiding from you something that is repulsive and makes her feel ashamed....

"getting her to commit"...

Axiomatically, it should be her job to get you to commit.

You've got to believe that, imo, to run game effectively. You're the prize.

You're the key that opens many locks.
She's just a lock.
Hopefully she's not a lock opened by many keys.

If you've banged her, she's already surrendered to you the most sacred and valuable thing about her.

What if the condom slipped and she's preggers?

Am I the kind of guy that's gonna drop everything, change the home gym into a nursery, cause I see a plus sign on a plastic stick?

That's what she should be thinking.

I shouldn't be the one hoping that she keeps the baby, and we become a family. She should be thinking that.

Too many guys devalue themselves in the pursuit of pussy.

Who built the Pyramids?
Who built the Eiffel Tower?
Who built the Bird's nest stadium in China?
Who went to the moon?
Who sent folks to the moon?

This whole idea of value, who has it, who's is greater...it lends itself to economics and economic theorizing, but the analogy pushes away from the actual practice.

You honestly have to believe that you're better than these chicks.
And that they're replaceable.

That is the reality of things. You actually are better than her. You're so good, that she needs the force of the law and the force of culture to change things so that she can dominate you.

And she is replaceable. Girls are turning 21 by hundreds of thousands every day.

I can trot out the #'s, show guys the facts, but even with every Roissy post memorized - they still don't believe it. They still think they hit the lottery when a cute size 2 blonde swipes them on Tinder.

A good looking girl that takes care of herself and has a head on her shoulders isn't a unicorn, no matter what these folks are telling you.

You can find them, meet them, and bed them.

But in the end, she might not be right for you, and it won't be because you dislike her Pilates schedule or because Hillary Clinton got elected.

WIA

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:51 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Here's the offending paragraph that leads to those rules

"but maintaining a relationship with her is quite different that fornicating with her one or twice. It’s almost as if the work is just beginning once you bang such a high value girl, but with the girl whose quality is lower, it’s smooth sailing after the initial penetration. In the latter case, you just have to show up and she’ll worship you."

No, is what i'm saying.

It's never smooth sailing.

I agree.

I have dated 6s and I have dated 9s.

They both have given me problems.

I think Roosh was just speaking "in general".

When he says "smooth sailing", I don't think he means "forever" or that she will never give any problems.

I think he is just saying that, generally, a girl who is less attractive than himself is often easier to deal with than a girl who is more attractive than himself, at least in the short term. (1-3 months)

Like you said earlier in this thread.. After 18 months, anything is possible, the 9 might be madly in love with you and the 6 might be a bitch to you.

I think Roosh is talking about the earlier stages in a relationship..

I agree with Roosh and I also agree with you. (if that is possible)

Generally speaking, uglier girls try harder to please but over time all girls will give you problems.

The 9 might be submissive and the 6 might be bitchy.

In the real world, almost anything is possible.

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:13 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

In 2014, there's too much attention whoring on FB/Instag/Twit for any girl to be unaware of her value.

I strongly disagree.

Almost everyday, I meet beautiful young girls who are unaware of their value.

These girls are 18, 19, and 20 years old, they come from foreign countries and small towns, they are not social media whores, they are unaware of their place in the world, they are basically naive college kids, they are not aware of the big picture sexual marketplace.

Many of them work minimum wage jobs at the mall.

They might have a lot of value on social media but realizing and communicating their sexual value in real life is a different story.

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote: (07-03-2014 04:34 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

And yes, there is a big difference between get a high quality girl to have sex with you once or twice and getting her to commit to a relationship with you. Alcohol/drugs and circumstances plays a big part in getting some casual sex BUT a relationship is not a one night stand and requires a different level/type of game.

Again, I don't believe in this "high quality girl" concept.

A girl is a girl. Your kindergarten teacher will have some issue that she is hiding from you something that is repulsive and makes her feel ashamed....

"getting her to commit"...

Axiomatically, it should be her job to get you to commit.

You've got to believe that, imo, to run game effectively. You're the prize.

You're the key that opens many locks.
She's just a lock.
Hopefully she's not a lock opened by many keys.

If you've banged her, she's already surrendered to you the most sacred and valuable thing about her.

What if the condom slipped and she's preggers?

Am I the kind of guy that's gonna drop everything, change the home gym into a nursery, cause I see a plus sign on a plastic stick?

That's what she should be thinking.

I shouldn't be the one hoping that she keeps the baby, and we become a family. She should be thinking that.

Too many guys devalue themselves in the pursuit of pussy.

Who built the Pyramids?
Who built the Eiffel Tower?
Who built the Bird's nest stadium in China?
Who went to the moon?
Who sent folks to the moon?

This whole idea of value, who has it, who's is greater...it lends itself to economics and economic theorizing, but the analogy pushes away from the actual practice.

You honestly have to believe that you're better than these chicks.
And that they're replaceable.

That is the reality of things. You actually are better than her. You're so good, that she needs the force of the law and the force of culture to change things so that she can dominate you.

And she is replaceable. Girls are turning 21 by hundreds of thousands every day.

I can trot out the #'s, show guys the facts, but even with every Roissy post memorized - they still don't believe it. They still think they hit the lottery when a cute size 2 blonde swipes them on Tinder.

A good looking girl that takes care of herself and has a head on her shoulders isn't a unicorn, no matter what these folks are telling you.

You can find them, meet them, and bed them.

But in the end, she might not be right for you, and it won't be because you dislike her Pilates schedule or because Hillary Clinton got elected.

WIA

This line you wrote is the driving force behind my game doctrine:

"You've got to believe that, imo, to run game effectively. You're the prize."

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:23 PM)Trev Wrote:  

For the sake of the discussion, he rates himself a 7.5, then says he is unhappy when with a 7.5 or below. Surely that is a working display of hypergamy? Wanting to mate upwards.

I'm not trying to argue, trying to understand.

That is what he said.

What I'm saying is
- how he rates himself is not relevant. He'll never know how society rates him. None of us will.

- how he rates her, might be relevant, in that he thinks he needs something more or less depending on how he views her. And Noir made a good point about this as well

- Hypergamy in this situation, is that the girl views him as 7.5, or that the society views him as a 7.5, and if she's an 8 or above, she's going to want to trade up.

This fits the deterministic thing that undergirds a lot of 'Sphere's take on game.

I'm not denying a chick might want to "upgrade", but it's not based on some sort of arbitrary # that's in *his* head. It will be based on something going on in her *her* head.

The idea that a chick is some sort of rational actor, always looking to upgrade denies what we see with our eyes everyday.

Think of the hot girls that date losers. I don't mean 'Roided up muscle heads with tight shirts and frosted tips, I mean skinny heroin user type guys.

This hot chick is getting grief from her family, from her friends..she's getting offers from Rich Guys, Smooth Guys, Built guys...yet she stays with bailing these losers out of jail or putting them into rehab, still giving up the pussy and blowjobs on command.

What is that guy doing to have a hold on her mind like that?

He doesn't have the Alpha "fucks" look, or the Beta "Bucks" lifestyle, yet he stays swimming in high end pussy.

Think of Terry Richardson. He was slaying 19 year old model pussy way before he got famous.

These bloggers don't have a good answer for that.
They don't even contemplate the question because it doesn't fit the narrative.

But if you're out there in these streets, at the clubs, in the bars, ...if you have your eyes open, you see these odd pairings fairly regularly.

According to the SMV theory, these 10's should be only dating the top tier guys, yet that's not what happens. It's not even close to what happens.

And the situation is far worse for guys. A dude that's a 10 in looks/body/fame/physique, RARELY has a 10 girlfriend. Just google famous, rich, and powerful men and look at their wives and girlfriends. Athletes especially.

So if you're just learning game, and you start in with this idea of ranking chicks on attractiveness, then attributing the amount and type of game necessary to sleep with them, and then to get them into relationships...you're hobbling yourself.

Perhaps it's a good idea to start with a structure, but believe me, there isn't a vet here that has had a 9 in his bed on a Friday night, and can't get anywhere with a 6 on Saturday night.

That's the game.

WIA

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Girls are turning 21 by hundreds of thousands every day.

I say this to myself every morning when I wake up!

Actually, what I say is..

"Girls are turning 18 by the hundreds of thousands every day!"

Quote: (07-03-2014 05:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Perhaps it's a good idea to start with a structure, but believe me, there isn't a vet here that has had a 9 in his bed on a Friday night, and can't get anywhere with a 6 on Saturday night.
WIA

Actually I don't think that is strange. If we very view ourselves in terms of products customized to specific target markets then it makes perfect sense. To create a product that has a wide market appeal is not easy and the holy grail of any consumer product company. All of us are niche players and the moment we step outside of our niche we are going to run into problems. It appears to me that Roosh is attempting to build LTRs with women who are outside of his niche.

For example, it's relatively easy for me to get a White/European 8 but almost impossible to get a Latin 6.

Quote: (07-03-2014 03:21 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^
Curious WIA did you meet the dime that became slightly obessed with you through close friends, family, or cold approach?

Dime #1 - the obsession started from jump. Concert, cold approach. I'd actually watched her dis 2 of my homeys who had much better score cards than me. We were together every night from that day until we broke up. About 3 years. (party girl turned into a great soccer mom, married to a very wealth businessman)

It was her that pushed me into the game.

I honestly thought that I could never ever get a chick hot as her ever again.

Dime #2 - social funnel/cold approach - I've become "that guy" in my little corner of the world. You see me everywhere, i've got a look. Chicks dig me, I'm down the the coolest dudes. I met dime #2 at a different concert. I happened to be helping out on stage. Bumped into her in the crowd, said some dickhead thing, didn't think anything of it. Saw her again at the super market. She went through her own grapevine to track me down. Our first date was epic, 8 hours of fail that lead to her cooking me dinner. A week of radio silence on her part. And then she was all in. I didn't realize she was being exclusive to me for the 1st 3 months, but then we decided to try it out. She couldn't get enough of me. She kissed me one day and just sucked in air, "your breath, I love everything about you" 3 years later, we're no longer the same people. (she's on tour with her musician bf)

Game wise, my experience with her and Dime #1 made me realize that my front end game was decent, my long term game was weak though. (still weak)

Dime #3/LTR 5 - Social circle. This was *the* most eligible bitch amongst the folks in my extended circle. Another chick that was dating minor celebs and athletes. Keep in mind, I'm bringing nothing to the table other than being a employed professional and my mouth piece. Every other guy she dated was a magnitude of order better than me in some respect. In shape, better face, more money, more fame, more pull, more power.

When I broke up with LTR #4 (EE 7, which is the reason for my general distaste of them) , she was one of the first people to call me. *but not one of the only ones, which I thought was dirty as fuck*.

She looked good, she gave good phone/text, we had good dates... we had one weird moment before I went all in, but that red flag was ignored. She told me that she'd been keeping an eye on me for a while. We'd known the same core of people for 6-7 years, but she was the youngster in the crew.

Her dimeness was the most exasperating thing about her. Strangers running up on her at the grocery store, "You're so pretty". Her Mom actually went out of her way to destroy that idea that she was pretty, so even when the girl recognized how fine she was, she still had a complex about it.

6 months later, I realize how fucking crazy she is (hormones? bad parenting?), and that's why her dance card wasn't full. Most epic breakup I've ever had.

(She's currently married to some dude, they got married maybe 60 days after we broke up? I mention his name in my prayers from time to time)

I don't think my experiences are particularly atypical. The only difference between me and the next guy is that I stayed out there.

The guy who fails goes out on Friday night, has a bad time, and then skips Saturday. Next week, he tries Saturday, and can't compete, and then focuses on online game. When that doesn't give him immediate results, he tries day game, so he can talk to that "one special girl" in his class or at his job.

I stayed out. Monday - Sunday, there's always a place to be, a place to check out, new things to see, new people to meet. I say this as a proud introvert. Just being out there, being seen, making a point to connect with the people in that environment...If you don't know what's good, all the better.

The thing about dimes isn't so much that they require different game, it's that they're hard to find.

Any given night in a typical big city that's not LA or NYC, you hit the clubs, and you might not see walking perfection. You see a whole lot of fuckable chicks though.

WIA

Thanks for the response. I am impressed by the cold approaches that turned LTR with dimes. Something for me to keep in mind.

Quote: (07-03-2014 06:37 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Thanks for the response. I am impressed by the cold approaches that turned LTR with dimes. Something for me to keep in mind.

If Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton are in the same room, it's not inconceivable that you could make something happen.

No cameras, Little wine, some laughs, a couple of "trust" games, dual induction zone massage, we'll never speak of this again....

There's this weird idea that 10's are walled off from society and they need to be vetted by friends and family before they get with a guy.

I understand where that comes from. You hit some of these parties, and those girls in VIP don't even know you exist. You're on the other side of the velvet rope and you're basically just apart of the scenery. You're invisible.

Is she really going to fuck some random guy?

Maybe you can't spit some good rap into her ear when she goes to the bathroom with her girls.

That same broad is open to you if you see her at the bookstore, at the mall..but maybe not when she's walking down the street.

Are you going to live your life by these arbitrary rules? Especially not ones that you've verified with your own experience?

....

The rules have told me that certain kinds of girls are off limits.

So I'm at this job. Admin starts digging me. We exchange #'s.
I want to bang this girl for whatever reason. She's pale as fuck, but got this cute face and nice ass.

But she's COUNTRY. Pickup truck. Travis Tritt, George Strait, Reba McEntire, Merle Haggard Country. I am obviously not country. Same job, some chicks says I look like a young Bob Marley.

She invites me to go boot scootin. (Country and western dancing)

I show up.

I'm expecting wall to wall rednecks, so I keep my eye on the door, and know how fast I'm gonna need to run if things start getting ultra-"republican"

What's my SMV in this mayonnaise jar of whiteness?

Hoss n'nem don't pay me any mind. Not that I'm going to make it a habit to frequent these clubs, but as long as you keep your wits about you, it's as dangerous as the typical spot that I go to.

There are plenty of heart shaped asses, in Daisy Dukes and cowboy hats, and one of them is kinda sweet on me.
We 2 step, and I mean the Country way, not the G-Unit way.

And then the Country Dj plays about 30 minutes of hip hop, and the floor fills with Romney and McCain voters. (well woulda been Bush Jr voters @ the time)

What's my SMV in this mayonnaise jar of whiteness now?

Rules? Everything is arbitrary. It's all up for negotiation.

As a member of this community, It's your absolute duty to spit game at any 10 you run across.

And you're doing this for her benefit.

She's been fucking with losers all her life.

Give her a chance to deal with a winner for a change.

WIA

"Rules? Everything is arbitrary. It's all up for negotiation.

As a member of this community, It's your absolute duty to spit game at any 10 you run across."

This is absolutely true. You can't know what a girl will find attractive in you and it could be anything. You have to approach. It's the only way to know whether a girl is attracted to you or not BUT with that said. There are still demographics you will do better in given the same number of approaches vs others.

And white girls love ethnic guys

Quote: (07-03-2014 07:05 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

"Rules? Everything is arbitrary. It's all up for negotiation.

As a member of this community, It's your absolute duty to spit game at any 10 you run across."

This is absolutely true. You can't know what a girl will find attractive in you and it could be anything. You have to approach. It's the only way to know whether a girl is attracted to you or not BUT with that said. There are still demographics you will do better in given the same number of approaches vs others.

And white girls love ethnic guys

I get the pale white girls (which I fortunately think is hot), dark skin Asians and Latinas. Some black and mix black dig me.

Tanned white girls and olive skin girls give me 3x the trouble. As a very fair skin white guy they hate that I don't tan well, whereas I think the dark Asians and Latinas like it because they think they are too dark deep down from what they let out sometimes. The fair skin white chicks understand why you don't get tan haha.

Quote: (07-03-2014 07:05 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

"Rules? Everything is arbitrary. It's all up for negotiation.

As a member of this community, It's your absolute duty to spit game at any 10 you run across."

This is absolutely true. You can't know what a girl will find attractive in you and it could be anything. You have to approach. It's the only way to know whether a girl is attracted to you or not BUT with that said. [u]There are still demographics you will do better in given the same number of approaches vs others.[/u]

And white girls love ethnic guys

Nomad, this may be true for analytical purposes but the 80-20 rule still applies. You can invest 80 percent of your efforts on lizards that have shown to have a high yield for you in experience but still dedicate 20 percent for those who are 'out of your niche'.

I love WIA's post and sometimes when I was dwelling on what I should NOT be dwelling on while living in Toronto, my Indian friend (the big Sikh guy) cleared things up for me. He said "You never know. Don't rule yourself out."

Basically, he was re-iterating what Archie is saying as to always be spitting.

It's about investment of effort and even a concept that I also struggle with. Some days I'm in game mode and will spit at everything casually while I'm in Walmart, Publix, wherever.

Other days, I'm a super introvert caught up in the calculations of issues that I am facing and I don't want to really casually talk with lizards and waste time and focus that I am dedicating to other tasks.

My <insert family member> told me that the way Miami is, one should always go out prepped. Never let them see you on an off tangent. Go out fresh and not bummy and always be in that mode where you may need to spit. It's a good concept to have as you never know who might be out there and who may be watching you.

This advice about always being prepped lends to the mindset that one should ALWAYS be spitting.

WIA - Can you elaborate more on the red flag that you saw in the 3rd Dime?

I had to clap after reading WIA post...

I feel as if theres a over-analysis when it comes to the 1/10 scale and judging what we are ourselves. Every guy on here should think they are a 12/10, because it is literally not what you look like it is what you think you look like. There is getting to a point of too much concern of what we transmit appearance wise, and not enough thought about the value we exude. Value, at least to me, is inner game that radiates outwards. Value is your confidence, knowing what you're worth, and living your life for yourself. This will be exuded through body language, through the way you speak, and the way that you don't give a damn what others think.

This is rudimentary game knowledge, why are we straying from the basis of all our understanding? Women care about what men do. Men care about what women look like. Guess what: its a hell of a lot easier to build a lifestyle than change our entire appearance to look like someone else.

And men have style that they can perfect; any man can be a "7", where they can easily date "up". I use quotation marks because I don't truly believe the 1-10 scale. I believe that women (at least in a relationship) have to provide more than their looks for me to value them (I've dated/been with plenty of good looking girls that were either a) dumb as a brick b) terrible people or c) a combination of both.)

Her personality and ability to please me, as well as her kindness and femininity play into her value tenfold. Read this letter if you haven't already: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13136.html where the dad speaks about the girl that you want to marry is between a "seven or eight" as this permits for her to be intellectually stimulating, good looking enough, yet also kind, and she doesn't spend all her time on her looks.

I love WIA's take: everything is arbitrary. You will not appeal to every girl you meet. That shouldn't hold you back from meeting them though. One night you might be the best looking, smartest, most stimulating guy she's ever met, and another night, just a piece of trash. The fact of the matter is not everyone will like you for who you are (heaven forbid what you look like), and that is the beauty of this life. I wouldn't want to be liked by everyone and agreed with all the time, its boring.

I strongly disagree with the premise that you should approach any and every girl because you "just never know." It not only goes against the whole concept of target markets and demographics it is also terribly inefficient. If I am somewhere and I see two girls, one white and one latin, both of approximately the same value I will always approach the white girl first. Why? Because my history tells me that the white girl is twice as likely to be attracted to me as the Latin girl. Now, if there is only the Latin girl I will still approach her but given a choice I will pick the girl that my history tells me I have a high chance with. Not only will I pick these girls first, I will go to places where I am more likely to find them.

Quote: (07-03-2014 06:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

As a member of this community, It's your absolute duty to spit game at any 10 you run across.

And you're doing this for her benefit.

She's been fucking with losers all her life.

Give her a chance to deal with a winner for a change.

WIA

Slight derail - I think those 4 lines solved all of my remaining inner game issues.

That's what game's about - externally making your life cooler & internally reminding yourself that its cooler.

Also, WIA has been on a roll in this thread. Would give him another +1 if I could.

Quote: (07-04-2014 11:09 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I strongly disagree with the premise that you should approach any and every girl because you "just never know." It not only goes against the whole concept of target markets and demographics it is also terribly inefficient. If I am somewhere and I see two girls, one white and one latin, both of approximately the same value I will always approach the white girl first. Why? Because my history tells me that the white girl is twice as likely to be attracted to me as the Latin girl. Now, if there is only the Latin girl I will still approach her but given a choice I will pick the girl that my history tells me I have a high chance with. Not only will I pick these girls first, I will go to places where I am more likely to find them.

But what allowed you to get to that conclusion? Countless approaches and learning experiences. You don't build this knowledge base by sitting back, and guys that are new should literally be approaching everything that they would like to, in another era where it was socially acceptable, impregnate. You do never know, especially early on, and I'm of the mind I would rather die with rejection than regret.

True, it's build based on experience but once you have that experience you should use it. So a distinction should be made on whether or not you have any experience to go on.

Quote: (07-04-2014 11:09 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I strongly disagree with the premise that you should approach any and every girl because you "just never know." It not only goes against the whole concept of target markets and demographics it is also terribly inefficient. If I am somewhere and I see two girls, one white and one latin, both of approximately the same value I will always approach the white girl first. Why? Because my history tells me that the white girl is twice as likely to be attracted to me as the Latin girl. Now, if there is only the Latin girl I will still approach her but given a choice I will pick the girl that my history tells me I have a high chance with. Not only will I pick these girls first, I will go to places where I am more likely to find them.

Nomad, you yourself said that you shouldn't see interactions with lizards as trying to pick them up but just conversing. So based on that, what's wrong with conversing with a lizard out of your target demographic? By you bringing in a white reptile into the mix, you are now introducing other variables which isn't part of the equation. Just keep chucking them up.

For instance, if I have a very low success rate with Indian lizards (currently at zero). Will I go out of my way to spit at Indian lizards? No. But if I'm at a venue and I see one by the way, how hard is it to just holla and see what's up? If she is being awkward then I salute her and keep it moving.

Remember, it's about 80-20 in terms of percentage of investment on lizards. You still throw 20 percent at anything.