And what if the height is not the only problem? What if the short guy is loosing hair (bald)? What if he's head is bigger than it should be? What if the face is not so pretty?
I had a nose surgery 2 years ago, I couldn't breath very easy. With that occasion the doctor straightened my nose too. Wow, I felt great, of course girls didn't jump on my dick when I got out of the hospital but now I look better. Short height is not so bad if your face is cute.

Why don't you judge people who go to gym to build muscles? Or the guys that invest their money in expensive sport cars?

My confidence is strong enough to approach any woman, and I did it. My game is very good but I'm still not happy with the number of women that are really attracted to me.
I have tall friends that lack in game but they still fuck a lot of girls, even girls that have boyfriends.
The first step I'll take now is height increasing shoes. Gaining 2-3 inches feels great. This combined with my alpha posture will bring me improvements. I'm sure.

i already told...i have seen many guys with bad looks...still fucking lots of girls....even great girls in their bucket than me (who is handsome)

It depends how you define bad looks. Put a picture with a guy you define "bad looks" but in he's best shape. What means "lots of girls"? How many in a year?

It has never come up as an issue for me i.e. no girl has ever mentioned it. I'm 5'9", but pretty broad, so most people think I'm shorter.

I've always had a thing for tall girls, and I have no idea why. My LTR is 6'0"

I can see it being an issue for a very short man, but if you're within an inch or two of the male average, your game is going to be far more important.

I notice a lot of tall guys with atrocious game. My theory is that these men get a relatively large amount of female attention, so they don't put in the effort to learn game. They manage to get cute girlfriends without much game. The problem is that those girlfriends end up dominating the relationship, and if they bothered to learn game, they could stop settling for girls who are merely cute, and start pulling some real talent.

Quote: (07-04-2011 09:03 AM)Jack_007 Wrote:  

It depends how you define bad looks. Put a picture with a guy you define "bad looks" but in he's best shape. What means "lots of girls"? How many in a year?

i dont know how many in a year...but i have seen them with different girls daily.

may be 2 to 3 girls in a week.

for me ..a bad look is a guy who cannot choose a proffesion 'modeling' because of his looks.

Quote: (07-01-2011 11:07 PM)hoops330 Wrote:  

How important is height in your game? I'm 6'4 and when I walk into the room its hard not to take notice. For you shorter guys, how do you compensate? Would you ever date a girl taller than you?

Not at all.

Quote: (07-04-2011 01:48 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

Here is proof that height doesn't matter, from a guy doing data analysis on OKCupid accounts. For men, that's pretty damn flat (okay, there's a weird data point at 6'5").

Number of sex partners at age 30 by height:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.html/the-bi...ne-dating/


And given the article also establishes on average people exaggerate their own height by 2 inches, keep in mind that this is stated height and actually both men and women are all 2" less tall than they state they are. That makes the fall off for women after stated height 5'10" (actual height 5'8") interesting. Strong bias against tall women.

If that chart is anything to go on that just reinforces what I said. The difference between 5'5" and 6'4" is minor at best.

This chart is flawed, but its still something to go on.

If anything I think the chart shows that height might be more of an internal thing, rather then external. Just like dick size, it matters way more to you then it ever will to any girl you could/would bang.

im over 6'5'' and i dont have trouble drawing chicks, posters in this thread have made it sound like a disability lol

you have to factor in wether it looks in proportion or not. a 6 ft 6 guy thats skinny as a rake will look weird. but a 6 ft 6 broad shouldered 225 pound guy is gonna look a lot better.

Quote: (07-04-2011 02:41 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Height is very important. Perhaps the first real disqualifier in the girl's arsenal is "I only date tall guys".

That is not a disqualifier, it is a shit test. Which should be addressed in a way you typically address shit tests. Myself I nowadays just ignore them completely, and continue as she never said anything worth my attention (as she did not). You can counter with cocky funny if you want, something from standard-issued "Really? You didn't look so shallow, I thought you're adventurous" to "Excellent! I'm looking for a fuck-buddy who wouldn't bother me with all that dating crap, so it seems like you're a perfect match".

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I'm 163 cm (5'5'') and I feel the effects daily. It can be overcome with good posture, buffing up, body language, and game in general, but I would be lying if I said it weren't a significant impediment.

I'm 5'4. As you said, there are cases when it could be considered a disadvantage, which just means you can overcome it with something else.

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If I was 6'0'' with my game, I would be swimming in pussy.

Human personality is a complex thing - you cannot just change one trait and expect everything else remain the same. You'd be a very different person, and it is possible that you'd actually have LESS success with women if you were 6'0 - because, for example, you wouldn't feel that you need to compensate for this trait with better game.

Other than that, I'd guess the only thing which would change was that you'd fuck taller girls. People tend to hook up in a limited height difference, you won't find a 5'2 girl with a 6ft dude too often. This may actually put you in disadvantage if, for example, you're into Asian chicks (esp Korean), as their height bell curve is shifted to the lower height.

Usually, most shorter dudes have always had to work harder therefore usually had some vocal game at least. I am 6'0"...not tall enough for chicks to go goo-goo-gah-gah over and not short enough to be immediately eliminated, but still...I had to come up with something.

Of course, your "niche" is what is going to determine your success. When I was younger, I combed through suburban areas and small towns....and NEVER approached the chick who knew everyone at the club. As for height, even though I was only 6'0", I usually approached the more taller chicks (5'8" and taller).

In the video, the guy talks about height and how physical appearance gets you further in life.

duplicate post.

Men need to command a physical presence.

Tall guys have presence by virtue of their height.

If you're short get buff. Otherwise you're a runt.

Only tall guys can get away with being lanky.

Quote: (07-04-2011 07:59 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Human personality is a complex thing - you cannot just change one trait and expect everything else remain the same. You'd be a very different person, and it is possible that you'd actually have LESS success with women if you were 6'0 - because, for example, you wouldn't feel that you need to compensate for this trait with better game.

Other than that, I'd guess the only thing which would change was that you'd fuck taller girls. People tend to hook up in a limited height difference, you won't find a 5'2 girl with a 6ft dude too often. This may actually put you in disadvantage if, for example, you're into Asian chicks (esp Korean), as their height bell curve is shifted to the lower height.

What do you mean by the bolded statement? Are you saying that short women i.e. 5.2 and lower don't go for tall men (6 feet ++)?

I am not sure if height matters much. As long as you are not below 5 feet, I think it should be okay. I know a lot of short guys swimming in pussy, maybe they have to just open more.

The advantage that short guys have over tall guys is that women tend to trust them more. They are less imposing so women will tend to see them as cute and if she lets the short guy hang around long enough, he can work his way into her panties. I think women tend not to believe that a short guy is a player. The trouble is trying to discard the player label from the mind of a target reptile..

Besides, you guys are just aiming to fcuk these lizards so fcuk what they say about the men they prefer. You are not trying to wifey them.

Like one poster says, there's not much height difference when you are pounding out her intestines from the backshott position...

Quote: (07-04-2011 07:59 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Human personality is a complex thing - you cannot just change one trait and expect everything else remain the same. You'd be a very different person, and it is possible that you'd actually have LESS success with women if you were 6'0 - because, for example, you wouldn't feel that you need to compensate for this trait with better game.

Wow, thats quite insightful, oldnemesis! I too have thought about this so many times. That's so like being born rich/poor, in a big city/village or healthy/unhealthy etc. The way you're going to evolve as a person has a lot to do with the opportunities you are presented with and how you capitalize on them. If you are born with extreme good looks your attitude and outlook on life would turn out to so much different than being born ugly. If you are born ugly you wouldn't receive attention because of your looks so your focus would be to develop other qualities. Like Oscar Wilde once said "Usefulness is the last resort of the unappealing".

Imagine the bell curve. Height only matters at either extreme, favorably or disfavorably. Nonetheless, it's only a small factor that can be overcome. You don't need to lay every hottie out there, nor is it possible. You just need enough to keep yourself sated.

Height is something that you might as well put out of your mind cause you cant change how short or tall you are.

Worrying about it wont do anything to help you.

Just put your bid in and let the chips fall where they may.

If you have an issue with height, go for short women i.e Asians.
Then you will seem like Yao Ming even if you are 5'3.

Height is all perspective. One of my peeps is a decent height, 6 feet on the dot.

He went clubbing in the Netherlands and felt like a midget. 6 feet is a piece of piss in land of the Dutch.

Quote: (07-04-2011 05:51 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

im over 6'5'' and i dont have trouble drawing chicks, posters in this thread have made it sound like a disability lol

you have to factor in wether it looks in proportion or not. a 6 ft 6 guy thats skinny as a rake will look weird. but a 6 ft 6 broad shouldered 225 pound guy is gonna look a lot better.

Agreed. I've never seen being 6'4" or 6'5" to be a negative. Everyone hears 6'5" and thinks "OMG, gangly emaciated awkward white guy." In reality, if you put on a little mass and start looking proportional, the extreme height will work in your favor. Men of good proportions and great height are described as "commanding" and "imposing." Eg, Charlton Heston, John Wayne.

Quote: (07-04-2011 07:59 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

People tend to hook up in a limited height difference, you won't find a 5'2 girl with a 6ft dude too often.

Flat out false. I'm 6'1", and I've never felt a short girl to be put off by the foot or so difference in height. Sometimes, the guy is so tall and has knee problems bending over so much, he will avoid the short girls - a friend who was 6'5" and 250 said his limit was 5'5."

Height is not important.

If you think it is, tell it to this guy:






Or maybe this guy:

Quote: (07-05-2011 11:55 AM)Moma Wrote:  

What do you mean by the bolded statement? Are you saying that short women i.e. 5.2 and lower don't go for tall men (6 feet ++)?

Yes, I mean that. Too much height difference is a disadvantage even if the dude is significantly taller. This is why you don't see it around often.

I have never seen this happen, oldnemesis. Maybe it's some cultural quirk of my country, but many girls enjoy the big height difference (about 1') and it's very common to see. They will later find all kinds of bullshit rationalizations for it of course, but the core of the matter still is that height = dominance and dominance -> favorable to seduction.

Although I do agree with you on how being 6'1'' or something is not comparable because that person would grow up with different game. That one is common too.

Quote: (07-06-2011 06:54 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

height = dominance and dominance -> favorable to seduction.

Do you consider getting bulky at the gym (back, chest and shoulders) will help about the physical dominance? This combined with some tall boots I think it can help.