I never much liked Juan Williams, but always thought Thomas Sowell has never been given his due he deserves in the national media largely because he's black....and pro-market. If Sowell was liberal, with his intellect, he would have been fawned over. In my opinion anyway.

Jaun Williams-Why do Liberals hate black conservatives

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Have you heard the news?

Condoleezza Rice lacks “moral authority.” She fails to meet the standards of “exemplary citizenship” and she does not have what it takes to “inspire” graduating college seniors.

That crazy thinking comes from the New Brunswick Faculty Council of Rutgers University. They voted last week to ask university leadership to cancel Rice’s invitation to be this year’s Commencement Speaker and receive an honorary degree.

How is the public served by muzzling one of the most thoughtful, accomplished and respected political voices of her time just because she happens to be a Republican?
Yes, apparently the first African-American woman to serve as National Security Adviser and the nation’s Secretary of State doesn’t have what it takes to be honored by Rutgers.

Rice holds a Ph.D. in political science. She has taught college for decades. She was Provost of Stanford University. She worked her way up from a working-class family in the segregated South to the highest echelon of world power and politics.

But according to the Rutgers faculty council, all of that is negated by her service in President George W. Bush’s administration.

They cited her roles in pushing the false claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They also point to her support for using enhanced interrogation techniques to get information from terror suspects.

The facts are right. The conclusion is wrong.

I, too, disagreed with many of the policies Rice faithfully supported as a member of the Bush administration. But only partisan hatred can blind the faculty to her extraordinary level of accomplishment for herself and her country.

Rice is smart, disciplined, hard-working and the model of an inspiring modern American. She personifies the American Dream. She is living inspiration for a young person trying to accomplish great work no matter what the barriers. And in Rice’s generation there were some serious barriers starting with her race and gender.

That is why New Jersey Republican State Assemblywoman Mary Pat Angelini called the Rutgers faculty’s wrongheaded decision "appalling and an embarrassment to our state."

"This is nothing more than a political firestorm fueled by their hatred of an opposing ideology, and President George W. Bush in particular. Dr. Rice and the people of New Jersey deserve better," Angelini said.

There is an added element at play here. There is a disgraceful double standard amongst liberals, particularly those in academia, in the hatred they direct at black conservatives.

We saw this last April when the conservative neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson was forced to step down as a Commencement Speaker for Johns Hopkins University (where he ably served as the head of pediatric neurosurgery).

Liberals on the Hopkins campus mobilized against Carson because he criticized President Obama’s health care reform law and said that he opposed gay marriage.

I am not a conservative but I have spoken out for years against the staggering amount blind hatred directed at black conservatives by liberals.

Liberals are shockingly quick to demean and dismiss brilliant black people like Rice, Carson, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, U.S. Senator Tim Scott (R-SC), Professor Walter E. Williams and economist Thomas Sowell because they don’t fit into the role they have carved out for a black person in America.

Black Americans must be obedient liberals on all things or risk being called a race traitor or an Uncle Tom.

I’ve experienced some of this vitriol firsthand when I have veered by liberal orthodoxy. I wrote about it in my book “Muzzled – the Assault on Honest Debate.”

This shunning of Rice is especially troubling coming from a great American university. This is the place where debate and dissenting views are to be valued as sacred.

Rutgers’s own university mission statement says that one of its goals is to produce students who perform “public service in support of the needs of the citizens of the state and its local, county, and state governments.”

How is the public served by muzzling one of the most thoughtful, accomplished and respected political voices of her time just because she happens to be a Republican?

Doe the Rutgers University faculty really have so little faith in the students they are about to graduate that they think are incapable of hearing opposing views and making up their own minds?

Before her commencement speech, I would like to see any of one of the members of faculty council debate Secretary Rice on foreign policy and then let their students see how well their professors’ critique holds up.

Hell, how about we invite the entire faculty council to take their best shot at Secretary Rice in a debate.

Rice is the most famous Republican woman politician in the country. She gave the best speech of the 2012 Republican National Convention and, despite her lack of interest in political office, still gets mentioned as a potential Republican presidential candidate for 2016.

If she is truly on the fence about a White House run, I would suggest she go for it if for no other reason than to rub it in the faces of these pompous jackass professors.

Of course that is not the only reason she should run, but it sure would be a delightful bonus.

Liberals hate when black people don't do as they're told.

Look at how Feminists and Liberals are attacking Bill Cosby, trying to frame him as a serial rapist. He doesn't fit the mold of an African American that plays a victim card that has been put forth by liberals but rather promotes emphasizes personal responsibility and hard work for the black community. So what do the feminist and liberals do to discredit and silence him? They can't paint him as an Uncle Tom so they play the sexual assault card.

Here's Cosby speech from 2004 where he makes public remarks critical of blacks who put higher priorities on sports, fashion, and "acting hard" than on education, self-respect, and self-improvement, pleading for black families to educate their children on the many different aspects of American culture.

Liberals have blacks and others minorities on a leach, specially blacks, they know how corrupted the black community is thanks to four generations of singles moms and "strong black woman" anthem, blacks are still mentally slave to their master, which is the liberal progressive gov, did black slave criticize their master? no, just like a black will never criticize a liberal, black conservative are like the black who learned how to read and write and wanted freedom, black in the progressive movement know there are problem in their community but they don't want to address them instead they try as many government options as possible that just make the problems bigger.

It's not that liberals have blacks on a leash, it's that conservatives have nothing to offer that's appealing to blacks on the whole. Add in an instance of the Southern Strategy every 4 years and it's no big surprise.

Even if you think these are good things why would these Republican ideas be popular with any black person that's looking at things from a perspective of rational self-interest?

1) Ending affirmative action. Even if you think it's fair, that's obviously not in the self-interest of a black person and it's certainly not going to be a draw for black voters.

2) Ending Affordable Care Act. Blacks have the worst life-expectancy and are least likely to be insured and have affordable options to health care. Why would voting for the party that wants to take away ACA be attractive?

3) Lowering taxes on the rich. Since blacks are more likely to be poor, why the fuck do they care about lowering taxes on millionaires?

4) De-funding public education. Black kids are more likely to go to fucked up schools, why would they want to vote for the party that hates the NEA?

5) On guns. We all know how many black men die from gunfire in the inner-city. Why are blacks going to vote for the pro-NRA crowd that thinks we need MORE guns.

6) Unemployment insurance. Black unemployment rates are double the white rate. Why vote for the party fights the extension of unemployment benefits?

I'm not making a personal pro/con argument about any of the above. I'm just saying that for an average black American voting from the perspective of rational self-interest, there's just not much to like about Republicans/fiscal Libertarians and conservatives. Gay marriage is about the only area blacks intersect with conservatives.

I witnessed this first-hand at a political debate between a liberal candidate and a black conservative candidate. African-Americans in the audience yelling "Oreo" (black on the outside and white on the inside) and "coconut" (brown on the outside and white on the inside).

I have a great deal of respect for any black conservative who stands up against the new plantation mentality.

Quote: (03-07-2014 12:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Even if you think these are good things why would these Republican ideas be popular with any black person that's looking at things from a perspective of rational self-interest?

1) Ending affirmative action. Even if you think it's fair, that's obviously not in the self-interest of a black person and it's certainly not going to be a draw for black voters.

2) Ending Affordable Care Act. Blacks have the worst life-expectancy and are least likely to be insured and have affordable options to health care. Why would voting for the party that wants to take away ACA be attractive?

3) Lowering taxes on the rich. Since blacks are more likely to be poor, why the fuck do they care about lowering taxes on millionaires?

4) De-funding public education. Black kids are more likely to go to fucked up schools, why would they want to vote for the party that hates the NEA?

5) On guns. We all know how many black men die from gunfire in the inner-city. Why are blacks going to vote for the pro-NRA crowd that thinks we need MORE guns.

6) Unemployment insurance. Black unemployment rates are double the white rate. Why vote for the party fights the extension of unemployment benefits?

I'm not making a personal pro/con argument about any of the above. I'm just saying that for an average black American voting from the perspective of rational self-interest, there's just not much to like about Republicans/fiscal Libertarians and conservatives. Gay marriage is about the only area blacks intersect with conservatives.

From the perspective of rational self-interest, each of things that you mentioned are in the interest of African-Americans. But lack of education and ignorance prevents them from seeing the big picture.

I could easily pick apart each of your points, but I will just mention one. Black parents fight each other to use voucher systems to get their children into charter schools, but then they (as a group) elect Democrats, who eliminate those programs to help the teacher's unions -- instead of helping their own constituents. Creating charter schools creates competition and eliminates a monopoly while helping underprivileged children. Those are conservative values.

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Among the few bright spots in a generally dismal picture of the education of black students are those successful charter schools or voucher schools to which many black parents try to get their children admitted. Some of these schools have not only reached but exceeded national norms, even when located in neighborhoods where the regular public schools lag far behind.

Where admission to these schools is by a lottery, the cheers and tears that follow announcements of who has been admitted — and, by implication, who will be forced to continue in the regular public schools — tell the story better than words can.

When the state of Louisiana decided to greatly expand the number of schools available to students by parental choice, rather than by the rigidities of the usual public school system, Attorney General Holder's Justice Department objected on grounds that this was at cross-purposes with the federal government's racial integration goals for the schools.

In short, Louisiana's attempt to improve the education of children is subordinated by Holder to the federal government's attempt to mix and match black and white students.

http://www.creators.com/conservative/tho...ation.html

They're like gay conservatives. Who get a double wammy from being gay AND republican. It's sad because it is these people the republicans need to stop disenfranchising if they want the party to grow.

On another point, as a well meaning, educated, white guy, i am not welcome in liberal circles.

Why is that? Because i fit all of their check boxes of "oppression" even if i didn't do any oppressing. This isn't exclusive to just me as well. This was the biggest lesson I learned when I went to my libtard arts college. Since i'm tall, white, and somewhat intense you'd think they'd welcome someone like me into the group. Nope, they'll just hold you back and let you be poorly utilized.

Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. Hardcore liberals are Just as bad as their evangelical counterparts in the bible belt.

Leftists (their philosophy has nothing to do with liberty) are fundamentally intolerant people. Their degree of intolerance for something is directly related to the degree to which that thing deviates from what they have defined as correct.

It's this whole 'common enemy' crap. I remember reading on reddit that some black guy got called an 'uncle tom' for questioning some liberal shibboleth. I've seen youtube videos of Thomas Sowell arguing with socialists and I can almost picture the socialist itching to say, "What the hell are you doing on the other side?"

Liberals view minorities as stupid little peons that need their help. Their world is twisted when you don't fit their stereotype.

The thing is, they're a group of weak ineffective people who outside of the pen and keyboard they lack the individual strength to get results. They break under pressure and feel uncomfortable around actual male strength.

These people, feeling weak by themselves mass together since there's strength in numbers. Much like a school a fish, they will break and scatter when struck very hard.

This behavior is apparent in varying degrees among their group. I have friends that wear the liberal flag and I can sense their lack of cohesive group think. They break easy. However, when they're all together it gets a little rough.

Quote: (03-07-2014 07:24 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

...I fit all of their check boxes of "oppression" even if i didn't do any oppressing. This isn't exclusive to just me as well. This was the biggest lesson I learned when I went to my libtard arts college. Since i'm tall, white, and somewhat intense you'd think they'd welcome someone like me into the group. Nope, they'll just hold you back and let you be poorly utilized.

Completely agree with this. I am often grouped together with skinheads who ambush gays on the street and beat them to death, just for daring to quote research proving that children from single-parent households are significantly worse off than those from nuclear families. Politely pointing out that men shouldn't marry slutty women unless they're willing to accept a huge risk of divorce and divorce rape has resulted in me being compared to Hitler.

It's sheer insanity. It doesn't matter that I am also all for universal health care, government regulation of food, reducing CO2 emissions and getting more energy from renewables, it's like there is a switch in these people's minds that classifies you as either utterly evil or utterly good. They have absolutely no concept of the world being something other than black and white. It is exactly because of these crazy people being accepted as spiritual leaders of the "progressive" side that I have been veering more and more away from them in general.

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Quote: (03-07-2014 07:24 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

...I fit all of their check boxes of "oppression" even if i didn't do any oppressing. This isn't exclusive to just me as well. This was the biggest lesson I learned when I went to my libtard arts college. Since i'm tall, white, and somewhat intense you'd think they'd welcome someone like me into the group. Nope, they'll just hold you back and let you be poorly utilized.

Completely agree with this. I am often grouped together with skinheads who ambush gays on the street and beat them to death, just for daring to quote research proving that children from single-parent households are significantly worse off than those from nuclear families. Politely pointing out that men shouldn't marry slutty women unless they're willing to accept a huge risk of divorce and divorce rape has resulted in me being compared to Hitler.

It's sheer insanity. It doesn't matter that I am also all for universal health care, government regulation of food, reducing CO2 emissions and getting more energy from renewables, it's like there is a switch in these people's minds that classifies you as either utterly evil or utterly good. They have absolutely no concept of the world being something other than black and white. It is exactly because of these crazy people being accepted as spiritual leaders of the "progressive" side that I have been veering more and more away from them in general.

They are our modern day zealots. History is just a massive repeating endeavor. The more I read through history the more I see the parallels of the past and present. Hell, reading through the bible you can see the same people doing the same pointless stuff. The religious right and the libtard left are one in the same.

The irony is they are too stupid to figure out they're repeating history.

Quote: (03-07-2014 07:41 AM)astronut Wrote:  

It's this whole 'common enemy' crap. I remember reading on reddit that some black guy got called an 'uncle tom' for questioning some liberal shibboleth. I've seen youtube videos of Thomas Sowell arguing with socialists and I can almost picture the socialist itching to say, "What the hell are you doing on the other side?"

Crabs in a bucket. They will pull down anyone who tries to get out because it undermines their stance as victims. The same things happens with natives/indians in Canada. Successful indians have to move off the reserve because of criticism from their community for 'giving in to the white man', I remember one guy getting his head smashed in with a rock at a campfire one night because he was 'acting too white' aka going to bed so he could get up for work in the morning.

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Quote: (03-07-2014 07:41 AM)astronut Wrote:  

It's this whole 'common enemy' crap. I remember reading on reddit that some black guy got called an 'uncle tom' for questioning some liberal shibboleth. I've seen youtube videos of Thomas Sowell arguing with socialists and I can almost picture the socialist itching to say, "What the hell are you doing on the other side?"

Crabs in a bucket. They will pull down anyone who tries to get out because it undermines their stance as victims. The same things happens with natives/indians in Canada. Successful indians have to move off the reserve because of criticism from their community for 'giving in to the white man', I remember one guy getting his head smashed in with a rock at a campfire one night because he was 'acting too white' aka going to bed so he could get up for work in the morning.

Yes. It's the U.S. version of crabs in a bucket, tall poppy syndrome, or Jante law, as I think Roosh has pointed out.

It's the opposite of the original American "pioneer spirit"/"break out on your own" mentality, etc.
It's odd today because you have both extremes -- crab bucket syndrome on one end and "special snowflakes" on the other, with little in between.

Envy is an affront to aspiration.

The left attacks conservative blacks to prevent more blacks from leaving the Democratic Party plantation.

The attacks the left (especially via their lapdogs at the NAACP and SPLC) uses on conservative blacks would, if used against liberal blacks, elicit cries of racism. A similar thing happens with conservative women (esp via feminist groups). This is designed to keep their core constituencies intact.

On a somewhat related note, kosko made a great post about the failures of Democratic/liberal black leadership here. When interpreted in the light of them serving their liberal white masters, it makes sense why they avoid the real issues, foster dependency and attack any blacks who would dare suggest an alternative.

Quote: (03-07-2014 12:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's not that liberals have blacks on a leash, it's that conservatives have nothing to offer that's appealing to blacks on the whole. Add in an instance of the Southern Strategy every 4 years and it's no big surprise.

Even if you think these are good things why would these Republican ideas be popular with any black person that's looking at things from a perspective of rational self-interest?

1) Ending affirmative action. Even if you think it's fair, that's obviously not in the self-interest of a black person and it's certainly not going to be a draw for black voters.

2) Ending Affordable Care Act. Blacks have the worst life-expectancy and are least likely to be insured and have affordable options to health care. Why would voting for the party that wants to take away ACA be attractive?

3) Lowering taxes on the rich. Since blacks are more likely to be poor, why the fuck do they care about lowering taxes on millionaires?

4) De-funding public education. Black kids are more likely to go to fucked up schools, why would they want to vote for the party that hates the NEA?

5) On guns. We all know how many black men die from gunfire in the inner-city. Why are blacks going to vote for the pro-NRA crowd that thinks we need MORE guns.

6) Unemployment insurance. Black unemployment rates are double the white rate. Why vote for the party fights the extension of unemployment benefits?

I'm not making a personal pro/con argument about any of the above. I'm just saying that for an average black American voting from the perspective of rational self-interest, there's just not much to like about Republicans/fiscal Libertarians and conservatives. Gay marriage is about the only area blacks intersect with conservatives.

This pretty much sums it up. I don't buy the whole "Libs tell Blacks what to do meme." Its simply a matter of chosing which shit sandwhich to eat, you'll simply pick the one with less shit.

Also, with the exception of Cosby or maybe even Dr. Carson, the average "Black Conservative" on the public sphere has zero credibility among Blacks. Its quite transparent that they are only talking reckless about Black folk because they are getting a check.

They hate them because the liberal talking points are that all black people are democratic union supporters who need government assistance so when you see a conservative black person who's done it on their own it doesn't jive with their story.

On a simliar note I heard an interesting thing about a group of I believe it was Vietnamese people who moved here with nothing, dirt poor, didn't know the language, culture or customs and within one generation were out of poverty because they stressed education and discipline and self improvement.

Not to trivialize slavery or racism but blacks speak the language, grow up in the same culture, no reason why they can't do the same thing. Politicans need voting blocks of people who depend upon them but who they do nothing for and this is why they try to keep people down and dependent

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Quote: (03-07-2014 12:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's not that liberals have blacks on a leash, it's that conservatives have nothing to offer that's appealing to blacks on the whole. Add in an instance of the Southern Strategy every 4 years and it's no big surprise.

Even if you think these are good things why would these Republican ideas be popular with any black person that's looking at things from a perspective of rational self-interest?

1) Ending affirmative action. Even if you think it's fair, that's obviously not in the self-interest of a black person and it's certainly not going to be a draw for black voters.

2) Ending Affordable Care Act. Blacks have the worst life-expectancy and are least likely to be insured and have affordable options to health care. Why would voting for the party that wants to take away ACA be attractive?

3) Lowering taxes on the rich. Since blacks are more likely to be poor, why the fuck do they care about lowering taxes on millionaires?

4) De-funding public education. Black kids are more likely to go to fucked up schools, why would they want to vote for the party that hates the NEA?

5) On guns. We all know how many black men die from gunfire in the inner-city. Why are blacks going to vote for the pro-NRA crowd that thinks we need MORE guns.

6) Unemployment insurance. Black unemployment rates are double the white rate. Why vote for the party fights the extension of unemployment benefits?

I'm not making a personal pro/con argument about any of the above. I'm just saying that for an average black American voting from the perspective of rational self-interest, there's just not much to like about Republicans/fiscal Libertarians and conservatives. Gay marriage is about the only area blacks intersect with conservatives.

This pretty much sums it up. I don't buy the whole "Libs tell Blacks what to do meme." Its simply a matter of chosing which shit sandwhich to eat, you'll simply pick the one with less shit.

Also, with the exception of Cosby or maybe even Dr. Carson, the average "Black Conservative" on the public sphere has zero credibility among Blacks. Its quite transparent that they are only talking reckless about Black folk because they are getting a check.

Yeah.

And one major one I forgot:

7) Conservatives fighting minimum wage increases when blacks disproportionately work in minimum wage and low-paying jobs.

People vote mostly along the lines of economic interests and I can think of nowhere that conservatives and blacks overlap with regard to fiscal policy.

Btw, I'm not even sure it's fair to call Bill Cosby a conservative. Just because he's criticizing some bad shit going on the ghetto doesn't make him a conservative. He's just telling the truth. I'm guessing he voted for Obama and probably has left-of center economic views. But blacks who criticize ghetto behavior are often branded "conservative" even if they aren't conservative in any economic/political sense. Whereas Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas are true conservatives and believe in right-leaning economic theory.

Quote: (03-07-2014 12:21 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's not that liberals have blacks on a leash, it's that conservatives have nothing to offer that's appealing to blacks on the whole. Add in an instance of the Southern Strategy every 4 years and it's no big surprise.

Like what? the same offers they have been accepting for the last 60 years? somehow blacks believe that the solution to theirs problems and misery is more of what they have been accepting for decades, "if is not working keep trying" theme, hispanics, even with the language barrier do better than blacks, you won't see many homeless hispanics or asians dirty on the street like you see blacks, why? the bottom line is family, hispanics like asians have each other backs while blacks kill each other.

Quote: (03-07-2014 12:12 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

They hate them because the liberal talking points are that all black people are democratic union supporters who need government assistance so when you see a conservative black person who's done it on their own it doesn't jive with their story.

On a simliar note I heard an interesting thing about a group of I believe it was Vietnamese people who moved here with nothing, dirt poor, didn't know the language, culture or customs and within one generation were out of poverty because they stressed education and discipline and self improvement.

Not to trivialize slavery or racism but blacks speak the language, grow up in the same culture, no reason why they can't do the same thing. Politicans need voting blocks of people who depend upon them but who they do nothing for and this is why they try to keep people down and dependent

That is an excellent point. Not only Vietnamese, but also Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Cuban, most European communities, etc. My own father arrived with a few hundred bucks and built a business from nothing. I also became an entrepreneur.

This self-defeatist mentality in the African-American community stems from the new plantation mentality. It is a cultural issue. The more that the black community blames "The White Man," the more that they enslave themselves mentally and spiritually.

It's more culture than race. Poor whites in Britain behave the exact same as many ghetto blacks in the States. One of my "unpopular opinions" I guess would be that if the welfare state was never enacted that middle class American blacks would have fared better than middle class whites due to their closer ties because of shared hardships. In my opinion, the black community was wrecked by design.

Quote: (03-07-2014 12:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Btw, I'm not even sure it's fair to call Bill Cosby a conservative. Just because he's criticizing some bad shit going on the ghetto doesn't make him a conservative. He's just telling the truth. I'm guessing he voted for Obama and probably has left-of center economic views. But blacks who criticize ghetto behavior are often branded "conservative" even if they aren't conservative in any economic/political sense. Whereas Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas are true conservatives and believe in right-leaning economic theory.

Entirely correct. We finally agree on something.

Bill Cosby simply speaks truth-to-power. He is an all-around good guy. People pick up on that.

Because it looks like Uncle Tom.