It would be a mistake to try and approach this through the lens of any actual political discussion on Israel. This girl is a spoiled, narcissistic child who is having a breakdown because someone dared challenge her world view and not give her what she demanded. That's it. Full stop.

She just happens to be using the language of politics, because that's what she knows. She'd be having a similar breakdown if she wanted a white iPhone but her parents got her the black one for Xmas.

College students, and college students who get involved with political activities in particular, are always emotional wrecks who don't have enough real world experience to make a case for themselves without sounding like ideologues/wing-nuts.

J R's right. One should separate her behavior from whatever cause she's fighting for, mainly because college students are (generally) at their infancy when it comes to political/real-world understanding.

Divestment from Israel has been a hot topic on many campuses across California for quite some time, and it stems from the fact that our current way to support or fight a cause can have the most impact when we do it economically. If you don't support the behaviors of a country, why would you support it economically? Our country does it with sanctions, and large organizations can do it with investment or divestment.

"microaggression"

The latest DoubleThink, Newspeak word that can be used to shame almost any person's rational or logical argument. You criticize a woman (or in her case an asian woman to boot) for her over-the-top, unprofessional and frankly immature reaction to a democratic vote and you must secretly be harbouring a subconcious hatred for both women and asians. Hence you are committing "microaggression" against her gender and race.



North American universities have ceased being a place where people go to mature and grow up. They are now a place where people actually go to regress.

Quote: (02-27-2014 03:45 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

The efforts of leftists to destroy the belief in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jocob is wrapped up in the hatred of Israel, the de-Christianization of Western civilization and the progression of liberalism that not only undermines God's purpose for humanity, it undermines the very survival of the west. The progression of divorce, homosexuality, feminism along with shaming and silencing of people of faith is part and parcel of the over arching battle between good and evil.

Ironically, these leftists that you speak of who are leading the feminist, homosexual, and other non-traditional agendas happen to be Jewish. And I say this as a half-Jew.

^^^ I agree. Look at Harvey Weinstein and other media moguls like him. I have campaigned for candidates and made it a specific effort to reach out to Jewish people and convince the to stop voting for people that hate them. I've had mixed results. I can understandthe existence of people like Rahm Emanuel and his brother and their politics. But why American Jewish people vote for liberals vexes me. Jewish people have to start to understand that right wing Bible believing fundamentalists are their best friends right now.

Quote: (02-27-2014 03:45 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

On one hand it's part of a broader battle between good and evil that we're all in the middle of like it or not.

So the Israelites who have for the last 5 decades mercilessly killed Palestinians in order to violently expand their land, leeched off of the United States foreign support, have maintained this support by abusing a flaw in the United States government (the flaw being the overriding power of lobbyist groups), manipulating the American masses by presenting a purely pro-Israel stance through the main stream media, have resisted any and all efforts towards peace, broken both United States and international laws repeatedly, called high level politicians who have called for effort to be made towards peace in the fertile crescent anti-Semitic knowing full well that the United States are the last supporters of Israel, and sold secret United States military technology to China are the good guys?

Right....

Knowing all of this I feel a high level of resentment towards Israel and I personally cannot wait for when the day comes that the United States teat will be sucked dry and they no longer receive their 3 billion dollar annual payments to violently massacre the Palestinian people.

When that day comes the Israelites will be the lone gladiator in a den of starving lions.

Frumpy unattractive Asian girl, probably only child and small in stature. Definitely born and/or raised here.

Not surprised.

^^^ Hogwash. If the Jews wanted to take out the way Palestinian people they could have done it by now. The west is constraining them. There was a peace agreement brokered by Clinton in the 90's that would have give Palestinians half of Jerusalem and Arafat turned it down. The problem in the Middle aEast isn't Israel it is other Muslims. Look what's going on in Syria. I guess that's the Jews fault too. Look at the murderers in Afghanistan and Libya. I guess that's the Jews fault too. Look at the murderers in Egypt who told tourists last week to leave or be killed. I assume we're to blame that on Israel too.

One more thing... It's comical that we have those on the site agree with this idiot chick. There are rockets shot into Israeli cities killing and maiming innocent Jews. How long would we tolerate that happening to our countries. Hands of Mercy is a charity I support. Look at their pictures of the poor kids that have had their lives destroyed because of Muslim neighbors that can't get along with each other much less Israel.

Quote: (02-27-2014 03:55 PM)j r Wrote:  

It would be a mistake to try and approach this through the lens of any actual political discussion on Israel. This girl is a spoiled, narcissistic child who is having a breakdown because someone dared challenge her world view and not give her what she demanded. That's it. Full stop.

She just happens to be using the language of politics, because that's what she knows. She'd be having a similar breakdown if she wanted a white iPhone but her parents got her the black one for Xmas.

That is why I put this video up. From a neutral standpoint, putting aside the Israel/anti-Israel discussion, this is an example of how unattractive grown women can be when they are stunted emotionally and mentally.

You can't hear a damned word she says because her emotions have so overruled her speech that she is just blubbering. That is an instant turnoff to her as a woman, and her argument as an intelligent being. If she was composed, measured, and articulate, I would be more inclined to listen to her. But not when she acts like an infant and shames herself in public.

Quote: (02-27-2014 05:04 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

One more thing... It's comical that we have those on the site agree with this idiot chick. There are rockets shot into Israeli cities killing and maiming innocent Jews. How long would we tolerate that happening to our countries. Hands of Mercy is a charity I support. Look at their pictures of the poor kids that have had their lives destroyed because of Muslim neighbors that can't get along with each other much less Israel.

It's comical that Palestinians are getting killed and having their rightful lands taken away?

How can it be "blatent" and "micro" aggression?

With this kind of leadership, it's not wonder they lost.

Quote: (02-27-2014 05:04 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

One more thing... It's comical that we have those on the site agree with this idiot chick. There are rockets shot into Israeli cities killing and maiming innocent Jews. How long would we tolerate that happening to our countries. Hands of Mercy is a charity I support. Look at their pictures of the poor kids that have had their lives destroyed because of Muslim neighbors that can't get along with each other much less Israel.

Come on man. If you want to support Israel, that's no problem for me. But don't pretend that this is some obvious case of good vs evil. Palestinians kill Israelis and Israelis kill Palestinians.

It's not the first time a UCLA student has accused others of "micro-aggression."

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The group staged a sit-in, or what it called a “teach-in,” during a second-level dissertation preparation course in the division this month. Watson said members hoped to address racially motivated “microagressions” – seemingly innocuous but ultimately hurtful comments or actions – that have marked their time at UCLA.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...ly-hostile

My guess is that there is a popular (ie. easy grader) professor of sociology who has implanted this terminology in these student's brains.

Now that I think about it, if you want to spread your message (however cancerous it may be) there is no better way than to get a teaching job, and become famous for being an easy grader so that non-critical students will all line up to take your classes (and be indoctrinated).

Quote: (02-27-2014 06:12 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

It's not the first time a UCLA student has accused others of "micro-aggression."

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The group staged a sit-in, or what it called a “teach-in,” during a second-level dissertation preparation course in the division this month. Watson said members hoped to address racially motivated “microagressions” – seemingly innocuous but ultimately hurtful comments or actions – that have marked their time at UCLA.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...ly-hostile

My guess is that there is a popular (ie. easy grader) professor of sociology who has implanted this terminology in these student's brains.

Now that I think about it, if you want to spread your message (however cancerous it may be) there is no better way than to get a teaching job, and become famous for being an easy grader so that non-critical students will all line up to take your classes (and be indoctrinated).

The ironic thing about UCLA is that it doesn't use affirmative action in admissions since public schools in California are banned from doing so as a result of Prop 209.

Funny to reconcile that with its highly liberal student body.

Quote: (02-27-2014 06:12 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

My guess is that there is a popular (ie. easy grader) professor of sociology who has implanted this terminology in these student's brains.

More likely it's the entire Sociology Department, along with Gender Studies, Comparative Literature and about half a dozen other 'privilege microagression'-spouting departments across campus.

My only issue with Israel is that my tax dollars continue to subsidize their existence despite the fact that they've got enough money to maintain armies of conquest and occupation. If you can send your military into outside territories, you don't need handouts.

As far as their treatment of palestinians, I give not one fuck about that issue. If they want to wipe the palestinians off the face of the Earth, by all means, go for it. But again, don't ask me to pay for it. And don't tell me you're the victim as you're killing them.

We give a bunch of money to the Palestinian Authority as well. Unfortunately were giving everyone over there money. Google US aid to Egypt. I don't like it any more than many of you.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...-terrorism

NY Digital There was no such thing as Palestine until the Romans created it to piss off Jews who were living there in their ancestral homeland of Judea. The Romans called the terrtorries east and west of the Jordan River Palestine. That includes modern day Jordan. Why are we not arguing that the Jordan govt provide territory for a Palestine

Jr, I'm not naive enough to believe that one side has clean hands. I'm merely saying that the destruction of Israel and anti-Jew bigotry is part of the over arching war between good and evil. Biblical theology is the thread that weaves this whole tapestry together. Left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal, even capitalist vs. communist. Marxists blamed Christianity for there not being a workers revolt during WWI and the theology then had to move to destroy it. They're still trying to this day and it's working. Red pill to me isn't about just banging chicks. It's blowback against the cultural norms that have been torn down and re defined as a result of the over arching war between good and evil.

Dudes, if you want to argue international politics, there is probably a thread for that.

This thread is about how poorly suited women are to political processes.

Quote: (02-27-2014 07:07 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

Unfortunately were giving everyone over there money. Google US aid to Egypt.

The US only started providing significant aid to Egypt after Sadat broke with the rest of the Arab world through his agreements with Israel, and the aid is very much being questioned now that Egyptian politics is less cordial with Israel than it was under Mubarak.

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There was no such thing as Palestine until the Romans created it

You're talking about the province of "Syria Palaestina". However, the name Palestine for the region long predates this: Herodotus mentions "Palaistine" as a district of Syria about 500 years before the events you mention.

By the way I don't really have a side in all this, just wanted to add some details.

Quote: (02-27-2014 07:26 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

I'm merely saying that the destruction of Israel and anti-Jew bigotry is part of the over arching war between good and evil.

Congratulations, you successfully took a topic that had a reasonable conversation and littering it with your nonsensical posts throughout this thread.

Somehow anything that even brushes upon Israel even with a light stroke is depicted as "anti-Jew bigotry".

Quote: (02-27-2014 06:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

The ironic thing about UCLA is that it doesn't use affirmative action in admissions since public schools in California are banned from doing so as a result of Prop 209.

Funny to reconcile that with its highly liberal student body.

College liberalism doesn't have much to do with race in California. California is a fairly liberal state by American standards, so public college students leaning towards the liberal side in California, even without affirmative action, is no big surprise.

What Happens Without Affirmative Action: The Story Of UCLA

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UCLA realized there was a problem, so it decided to start something called "holistic review," taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions — from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college. Race was not one of the factors, but indeed, the percentages of black and Latino students began to rebound.

Then things got complicated again.

Last year, a UCLA professor released a study claiming the school was letting some black and Latino students in at higher rates than white or Asian students who should have ranked just the same under the new holistic review.

So while there is no "affirmative action" per se, the "holistic review" arguably allowed it to happen under a different name.

All in all, maybe it's time some red pill'ers started getting Sociology PhD's in order to infiltrate the system in order to combat the plague.

Yeah. This thread shouldn't be about Israel. JR's post is exactly right. But perhaps I have some insights on it worth sharing.

I've been to both Israel and Palestine. Personally, something about Israel feels impermanent to me. I think Jews, Muslims and Christians will always live there (they all still live there now) but the place won't exist as a "Jewish state" under sole Jewish control forever. That region and its people are just too dynamic and have changed continuously throughout history.

Zionism is a relatively recent historical experiment that began in the late 19th century (it didn't exist for centuries) and had come close to failing many times throughout Israel's history as a nation, and even before then. There was even a plan at one point to create Israel in modern day Uganda. So this notion that the Middle East in particular is the rightful homeland for the Jewish people is just nationalist propaganda. In fact, the central thesis of Zionism is currently being undermined by the fact that Jews are far safer in Europe and America today than they are in Israel. All of the stats prove this. Many Israelis are even moving to Germany of all places in droves, Berlin in particular. Think about that.

Israelis will be the first to tell you how close the country was to the brink of collapse, particularly in its first few decades as a nation when it experienced a relentless series of wars with its neighbors. Only careless and completely avoidable tactical blunders committed by its enemies, and Israel's quickness in responding to take advantage, spared the nation its existence.

Also, American backing didn't evolve until relatively later in the country's history. America didn't support Israel with money or weapons during its first several wars with the Arabs. Neither did most European countries. There was one early war in particular where European countries refused to allow Israeli planes to use its airports for refueling. It wasn't until the Soviet Union became more involved in the region that the US and Israel relationship began to develop in earnest. The Soviets had close relations with many of Israel's enemy (Arab) states, so, naturally, the Americans supported Israel. There are some good books that talk about this.

Who would have ever thought that during the time of the Romans that Rome's grip on the Levant would ever be relinquished? That was simply inconceivable as Rome was the greatest civilization the world had ever known at that time. Yet it still crumbled...

The concept of nation states as we understand them today is fairly recent in world history. I don't think it's a concept that will continue to exist as we understand it forever. The nations of the modern Middle East are the result of a series of gentlemen's agreements between France and Britain around the turn of the previous century. There was no regard for the fragility of the diverse ethnic and religious groups that made up the societies in those newly created countries. People who never had power, suddenly had power over populations many times larger, all for th benefit of the colonial masters. The legacy of these decisions still play out, and will ultimately prove - and are proving - untenable.

Demographics and geopolitics will change rapidly in the coming years and compromises will be made.

In fact, the two sides are not far apart at all in terms of specifics for negotiating a deal. Solutions for the most contentious issues have more or less been carved out. It's now a matter of political will to get a deal through. It may not happen with the current generation of leaders as they are relics of an era rife with wounds and revenge, but there's also many forces on both sides that are taking into consideration the changing dynamics that I referred to, which complicates reaching an agreement.

Also, many Israelis are simply fatigued from living in a military state and want a first world lifestyle of the kind in Europe and the US. There's a fairly considerable brain drain that sees some of Israel's best and brightest leave every year for a better life in Europe and the US.

To their credit, they've done a lot of good to the land, which all of the empires before it neglected. Israel was initially a dry and dusty desert, but is now a world leader in irrigation, technology and farming, etc. The infrastructure is quite good by regional standards.

The truth is this is not a "conflict that has existed for centuries." The idea of Palestinian nationalism, like Zionism, is very recent historically, originating in the late 19th century towards the final stages of Ottoman (Turkish) rule. That's when Arab nationalism as a whole really began. Arabs have also been a nomadic people for most of their history. Relatively very few modern day Palestinians have roots in the lands of present-day Israel for more than a few generations.

All of the Arab countries in the region have their own unique interests with many adversarial positions against each other and the Palestinians. Hell, even within individual Arab countries you have a lot of conflict that will again reshape the borders in the coming years. Expect entirely new nation states as well.

I think this Caspian Report on the issue is generally accurate if you want a succinct overview of the "conflict." You'll see it's really a story about Arab disunity that stems from colonial history and Israel taking advantage of it.

I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.