Was at a house party last night with limited amount of girls (especially cute ones).

I managed to scare away the two girls I tried to go after. I know that there' s a ton of girls and you just go after the next one, but I've been noticing that I've been scaring away girls before they even talk to me by just looking (maybe staring). Or once they start talking I can definitely tell they are not interested, even if some gave IOIs earlier.

Idk if I'm staring too long, or if a wrong vibe is coming off me...bit confused. Somehow the girl is able to sense that I like her, and if I ever look at her the 2nd or 3rd time then she immediately gives the face of rejection/bad vibe.

Ofc I still try and approach, but it goes no where. Advice? Should I not even look at the girl?

Break this down more for us to help.

Describe in detail a couple of the situations: does she look at you first, etc.

Also, physically what do you look like and your style.

Quote: (02-14-2014 06:03 PM)Blackliter Wrote:  

Idk if I'm staring too long, or if a wrong vibe is coming off me...bit confused. Somehow the girl is able to sense that I like her, and if I ever look at her the 2nd or 3rd time then she immediately gives the face of rejection/bad vibe.

I have a hunch, are you looking at them like this:



or like this?



I'm not joking, it sounds like you're giving them some sort of offputting stare or your body language is strange.

Try " going ugly early" ... I mean chat up ugly or avg looking girls first and get your mojo going . At least you are in the game and building a few social proof points . If you can't trade up to a 7 or better then at least you can pump and dump from your initial contacts

What you wrote tells me that something about your vibe sucks. Without more details, it's hard to tell what the problem is.

Easy avenues to fix it are in your appearance, your body language (including eye contact), and/or your conversational approach.

Best thing to do, if you are in a social circle where you are liked and respected, is to approach faster...indirectly. Strike up conversation instead of looking over at the girl like she's on the menu. If she knows you want her, but she notices that you aren't making any moves, the resulting vibe is that you're lurking because you're afraid to talk to her.

Quote: (02-14-2014 07:02 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Break this down more for us to help.

Sometimes I'll look at her first and then she'll notice I'm looking or she'll look first and I'll look. Either way I glance over a second or third time and thats when her face expression starts to change (for the worse).

About me...well middle eastern average height. Like Roosh, but not tall and got that short thick wiry black hair (trying to find how to tame it, so just keep it short). if it matters I'd say I'm a 5-6 rating, tan decent face structure, just hair & muscles are what I lack. could go clean shaven more often...I'm a skinny guy, 130 @ 5'8.

Just getting started into game, so don't have a style. I've been reading the site and game stuff a lot though. Do you recommend any styles? don't even know which ones, been reading your blog too

Definitely my vibe is off, I'm soft spoken and self-doubting (in general) so working on that asap. smart, but that doesn't help too much w/ game.

My stare is like this     but a little harder (no glasses) and not staring at her ass or boobs ever. I find it hard to break into a smile. Even when I'm happy rarely breaking into a smile. probably could just smile more?

Don't know how to fix the vibe and yea my body language is one of awkwardness (working on that too). mainly comes from being skinny so working out. have to eat more.

In a college environment that's always ranked top 10 for girls and partying so, makes up for my lack of game compared to others...

Quote: (02-15-2014 02:04 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Easy avenues to fix it are in your appearance, your body language (including eye contact), and/or your conversational approach.

I dress well, could fix the hair. conversational approach and body language need a HUGE improvement.

Work on your openers.

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It's all about having good observational skills. Notice the small things and use your observational skills to pick out a flaw and tease them later in the conversation. They love that.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-18816.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10685.html

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-12593.html

Sounds like you should approach faster because otherwise you will come off as timid.

Staring is not a good thing to do. Eye contact good, staring bad. It's a sign of interest and it comes too early if you haven't gotten any interest from the girl.

For openers, as much as people here talk about the red pill, you can go pretty far just with common politeness, as long as you also make people feel good when they are around you. Girls will be bitchy at first but just withstand it for a moment, don't fire back, and they will chill out. Go from there. You don't get good at it without practice.

As a middle eastern guy you need to look clean and stylish in order to get past preconceived notions that girls may have. Wear clothes that fit you and put product in your hair, and you'll automatically stand out. Models are skinny too.

Oh and don't slouch. Lots of skinny guys do that and it makes them seem weak.

That's my advice. I hope something of it proves helpful.

Polymath has it right, just be polite and smile. Approach quickly,whats your name, where you from, sports, favorite drink, etc. Bullshit small talk, make her feel at ease.

If she bites, reel it in.

If she doesn't, leave convo gracefully ("gonna go grab a drink") cast again.
(if you can't shake her with going to grab a drink, thats a hard bite, reel in)

You'll establish contacts and be seen as friendly and positive either way.
Always good.

Oh, and earlier replier is also right, don't be afraid to aim lower, you can't start a hot streak with a missed shot... you plan on bringing in new girls anyways, thats why you're here. You can always raise your average attractiveness later, that's the beauty of bringing a lot of girls home. One bad apple doesn't ruin the whole batch.