Quote: (06-09-2011 06:38 PM)Seven11 Wrote:
I'm definitely interested in the Basketballs leagues abroad. Someone who isn't NBA material but could play at the NCAA level would they be considered an important player in foreign leagues?
You're in luck, I was just about to start talking about these. This will be a pretty long post, as international basketball compensation is a complicated topic.
So we'll begin with the largest of the world's league, the NBA.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
Pretty much every salary for every player in the NBA right now can be found there.
Now for foreign leagues, starting with France.
France:
http://ilovebasket.com/index.html?2010/01...agnent-ils
(Link is in French).
Salaries are as follows:
Pro A(Premier Basketball Division) average salary per month (number of players)
Foreigners: €11,888 (69)
FIBA players: €10,979 (9)
Players from Cotonou nations: €8,617 (24)
French: €7,498 (86)
Pro B(French Second Division) average salary per month (number of players)
From other FIBA nations: €5441 (9)
Foreigners: €5,128 (36)
Players from Cotonou nations: €4,760 (14)
French: €3,159 (114)
So, the average foreigner in the French top flight basketball leagues(usually an American who played NCAA D1 and was maybe in an NBA camp or two) is going to make north of $125k(American Dollars). Pretty much everyone else is also north of $100k on average. Cut that in half for the players in the second division who still seem to be making a pretty decent living. A star american(usually a guy with some years of NBA or other Euroleague experience) in the top league can likely hit the seven figure range.
Overall, not a bad gig if you can get it. These guys are good players, though, so unless you have a solid college pedigree and some serious athlticism, getting in here might not be doable.
The Philippines: Surprised to see this country here? Believe it or not, the Philippines is one of the more basketball-crazed nations on Earth. It is by far their most popular game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_...ssociation
The PBA is their main pro league. The very best players in this league make approximately Php350,000 per month, which is about $7000-7500(American). If you include the bonuses they also get, the best players in the PBA are just north of $100,000 (excluding sponsorship pay for some of them and a crapload of other perks). A rotation guy/role player makes around $10-13,000 per year which, if you know anything about the PI or have been to the country, is actually pretty livable(above average, even). A decent bench player can double that (roughly Php100,000, or just north of $20k a year).
Rookies are on a scale that goes something like this:
Year 1: Php150,000 maximum salary
Year 2: Php225,000 max
Year 3: Php 350,000 (leaguewide maximum)
The PBA strictly limits foreigner participation. Most of the Americans you see over there are what they call "Fil-Ams", Filipino Americans(usually at least one Filipino parent). Fil-Ams who played in America's NCAA Division 1 for college are the most prized.
Poland:
http://www.wbj.pl/article-19951-polish-b...agues.html
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"I never wanted to play in Europe," Upshaw said, explaining that as a Chicago kid he dreamt only of playing for the NBA. But Europe offered an opportunity, and an average player can actually make more money on this side of the Atlantic than playing for the NBA.
If I make $100,000 per year here it's like having a job for $150,000 in the United States because of the low cost of living and taxes, Upshaw said.
Foreigners are not the only ones cashing in on the game, though. The best Polish players get about $11,000-$12,000 per month, according to Wieslaw Zych, president of the Polish Basketball League. And a team like first-place Wroclaw is paying the best money in Poland, offering as much as $20,000 per month to some players.
Top salaries like these, though, eat up most of Wroclaw's approximately $2.5 million-$3 million annual budget, according to Zych. Between 65-80% of Wroclaw's budget goes to paying players and coaches, according to Grzegorz Schetyna, president of Zepter Slask Wroclaw. The remainder goes to referees, gym rental and promotions.
This article is from 1999, so chances are that salaries have gone up at least a little.
Germany:
http://www.in-the-game.org/?p=3450
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Multimillion-Dollar-contracts are unheard of, the very top inside players are rumored to have landed rare contracts for something around USD 500.000 but it’s way more likely that a Bundesliga allstar player is good for 200k or 300k € at the top. Usually German NT-Players are on the expensive side as there are few who are able to compete in the league and even less clubs willing to sign them for decent salaries.
Managers often refer to a lottery phenomenon in the league: Who’s the team that signs most surprises, i.e. overperforming rookies out of college. The rumored salary for those players is as low as 2000 USD net per month. It sounds resonable considering the low budgets of some clubs. A prominent starter like Derek Raivio earned something just short of 100k USD in his rookie seasons with Cologne 99ers who had a serious 2-3 million € budget at that time.
More facts about the German leagues here:
http://germanhoops.wordpress.com/league-facts/
Israel: From an article about Jeremy Tyler, an American who went to play pro there straight out of high school.
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Tyler signed a one-year, $140,000 contract with Maccabi Haifa in August. He was the first American-born player to leave high school early to play professionally overseas. Some had seen him as a potential No. 1 pick overall when he's eligible for the NBA draft in 2011.
That's pretty much what a decent American player can expect to get in Israel-low six figures, perhaps just north of $300-400k if he's a good starter at a big club like Haifa. I have heard reports of at least a couple players there in the seven figure range on top teams.
Spain: A junior player can expect at least $100,000 on an ACB(top league) team. A good starter can expect to hit the seven figure range. Stars can make several million dollars.
If you checked the earlier interbasket link, you'll see several spanish-league players amongst the top 30 highest paid in Europe(as of 2010).
An american player in a lower league(say the 3rd division) can possibly hit $60-70k a year.
Spain is generally agree to have the most competitive league in Europe with the best quality.
Italy, Greece, Turkey: Pretty much the same deal as Spain. a good starter can expect to earn north of $15,000 monthly, with elite players hitting the seven figure range.
Turkey's pay is just slightly lower than the others. Iverson signed a two year, $4 Million(that is a post-tax figure) contract with a Turkish club. This particular club is in Turkey's top national league and is one of the larger/wealthier ones there(though not the most successful), but internationally it competes in the Eurocup, which is the second-tier of European international league competition. The Euroleague is the first tier.
General Euroleague/Eurocup: This is the part that kind of makes international basketball compensation a little tough to wrap your mind around. So, you had the league salaries I gave you earlier for different countries in Europe(France, Spain, etc), but you also have
international leagues in Europe where the better teams from each country compete against one another. The Euroleague is where you'll find good players making $5million+. The Eurocup is where you'll find good players making about half that much(like Iverson at around $2 Million yearly).
Some more detail about the intricacies of the system can be found here. Click on the leagues to see which teams are in them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_pr...all_system
Here is a link detailing some of the salaries for Euroleague and Eurocup teams. It also lists the 30 best paid players overall, and some of the teams have their salaries listed as well.
http://www.talkbasket.net/salaries.html
And here's another decent salary database:
http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=1322
These teams all compete in their domestic leagues as well, but they sometimes pay higher salaries than some of the other teams in their domestic leagues who can't hit the Euroleague or Eurocup.
You can still get a general sense of the compensation in domestic leagues from these bigger teams, however. If Besitkas (Iverson's teams, part of Turkish league but competes in Eurocup) pays its top players around $2 million, you can probably expect a top player for a much smaller team in that league to be making at least around half a million or more, with more middling teams paying $1 million or so.
Bottomline: If you can make a Eurocup and especially a Euroleague team, you'll probably be making very good money. If you make a non-Euroleauge/Eurocup team in Spain, Italy, Greece, or France, you can probably still hit the six figures easily. If you're a good american in the second/third divisions in one of these countries, you can still touch $65k+. and in all of these situation/leagues/teams, a player can expect housing and a car to be provided as part of compensation(perks, I guess).
Anyway, that's about all I could find. For a good NCAA D1(and maybe a few elite D2 or D3 players), Europe is a good option for basketball should the NBA fail to pan out. and if you've got a Filipino parent, the PBA might be fun too.
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