Does anyone else find WestCoast's Master of the Universe, Gordon Gekko schtick a little tired?

I can't remember the last WestCoast post I read that wasn't dripping with condescension or bragging about his money as if he was some kind of bigshot (unfortunately fooling no one).

It says everything about the values of a Wall Street guy that he automatically assumes a person who disagrees with him must be disgruntled and poor. It's a special kind of obliviousness and arrogance, born out of the sick cultural belief that the accumulation of money is the supreme good, and that since bankers enjoy the closest proximity to money, they themselves must be the most virtuous and knowledgeable of all.

WestCoast, I'm not surprised that you don't seem to understand the problem, because in many ways you are the problem. You have a binary view of the world that says that materialism (money) = good, and that anything immaterial and non-monetary is bad, stupid and/or a waste of time. You don't understand that it's only the non-material, spiritual values (family, community, honor, respect for the law, courage, discipline, etc...) that ultimately give civilization its power and sustain it over the long term.

Quote: (12-23-2013 04:59 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 02:12 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

It's very telling that the doom and gloom people usually live in or are from red places. No wonder they're miserable. If you're a red place person, instead of talking about the uncertain future, which you have zero credibility discussing to begin with, let's talk about what we do know: where you live sucks. Period.

Let's face the facts, no one on this forum posts inspiring data sheets about red places. Most of the leading members are from or live in blue places. That's not a coincidence.

Not a very logical argument. I live in a blue state after growing up in another blue state.

In fact, living in blue states and seeing the U.S. evolve into a blue-pill country is what convinced me to leave the U.S., which is how I found this forum.

If you want to throw "leading members" into the mix (which is entirely irrelevant to making a logical argument supported by the facts), Roosh is the leading member -- and he fled from the ultimate blue state (D.C.) to the red culture of eastern Europe.

After experiencing an entire lifetime of blue-state statism, I hope to follow Roosh into the red zone.

What city do you live in though? I'm talking places, not entire states. There's plenty of red (rural) in blue states.

US politics doesn't translate overseas. You're kidding if you think former soviet EE countries are remotely similar to red states in the US. They are pretty socialist in comparison.

Quote: (12-23-2013 04:59 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Westcoast is talking the most sense. All this doom and gloom nonsense is being written by guys with shitty lives in red states and plenty of time on their hand to talk about silly apocalyptic scenarios. Don't be that guy. No one is reading his data sheet because he won't have one to write.

Hey, hey, hey hold up now. Arizona is a red state and I think it is one of the best states in the nation.

We have the loosest gun laws and pussies in the whole god damn country!

Also, Hencredible next time you come down to Scottsdale we should meet up. Even though I have more conservative political views than you, I think you are a cool guy and a solid player and I think there's a lot I could learn from you.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Does anyone else find WestCoast's Master of the Universe, Gordon Gekko schtick a little tired?

I can't remember the last WestCoast post I read that wasn't dripping with condescension or bragging about his money as if he was some kind of bigshot (unfortunately fooling no one).

It says everything about the values of a Wall Street guy that he automatically assumes a person who disagrees with him must be disgruntled and poor. It's a special kind of obliviousness and arrogance, born out of the sick cultural belief that the accumulation of money is the supreme good, and that since bankers enjoy the closest proximity to money, they themselves must be the most virtuous and knowledgeable of all.

WestCoast, I'm not surprised that you don't seem to understand the problem, because in many ways you are the problem. You have a binary view of the world that says that materialism (money) = good, and that anything immaterial and non-monetary is bad, stupid and/or a waste of time. You don't understand that it's only the non-material, spiritual values (family, community, honor, respect for the law, courage, discipline, etc...) that ultimately give civilization its power and sustain it over the long term.

Westcoast is just playing the system for what it is. He doesn't come across as someone who cares but will exploit it for his own gain.

I don't see anything wrong with it because we have to worry about ourselves in the end.

It's cool for those that want to make a change but most are just complaining on forums and don't really do anything to further the changes they feel is needed.

Lol alright scorpion have fun out there. I'll check back in next year when you're still writing about how the world pushes the white man down and how cultural issues are going to make the USA implode. There is a reason we don't see eye to eye and that's fine, I don't spend my time talking about cultural issues on the Internet, I find ways to succeed by myself.

See you guys next year I'll drop that Iceland sheet for you guys.

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WWT hit my point on the head. I am sure not going to break any laws to get what I want but I'll find ways to get as far as I can.

Whether it is or isn't I'm not sure it CAN be. But if saving isn't possible maybe salvaging will be.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

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Dude, look at the way you are arguing. WestCoast shutdown your argument and instead of coming up with a real response, you made a personal attack on his character.

You have left me less convinced that your view is right.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:14 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

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Dude, look at the way you are arguing. WestCoast shutdown your argument and instead of coming up with a real response, you made a personal attack on his character.

You have left me less convinced that your view is right.

You must not have very good reading comprehension then, since WestCoast has been needlessly condescending and insulting his interlocutors throughout the thread, in accord with his usual style. Is it a personal attack to point out when someone else is behaving boorishly? Personally I think not.

Honestly, a lot of you guys who whine about cultural shit on the internet just sound like pussies. That shit is not red pill and people who whine instead of talking about the success they are achieving - or trying to achieve - have no business hijacking that term. The most incessant whiners are the guys with the least value. Westcoast drops a lot of data, from travel to game to whatever. But there's a lot of guys that you only see in political threads trying to appeal to people's fears and insecurities instead of uplifting them with wisdom or game. That's BS. Good to see some reclamation of reality going on in this thread. About time.

Scorpion turned to a personal attack because I am right.

If you were well off and successful in the USA and worked hard to get where you are at you would not be this negative against your own country. I'm not even a patriotic guy.

If you are in fact wildly successful against terrible odds and are this negative then you've lost your mind and enjoy biting the hand that fed you.

If you are doing well in the USA why are you complaining so much? I have my ups and downs and bitch about things here and there but this doom and gloom shit is insane and sounds like a bunch of guys going through mental masturbation. If you want to live and teach English abroad? Here's your plane ticket and don't forget that opportunity is there because you went to school.... In the USA.

Quote: (12-23-2013 02:58 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ alright man you're seriously a joke at this point.

You're on a game blog talking about politics

You have admitted to not knowing or having good game

You complain all day on the internet

And now we should listen to you on the future of IQ testing and the future of the US economy based on zero personal life success.

You've got me in tears laughing over here. Well done sir. Well done.

There is no need to be condescending to a fellow member -- or to make personal attacks.

It is interesting how the statists on this forum refer to themselves as "leading members" and engage in personal attacks on other forum members. This exactly mirrors the condescending attitude of the political elites of both parties in Washington towards Middle America.

Dudes, relax. We're all on the same team here whether we like it or not.

I'm not tired of WestCoast's Gordon Gekko shtick. I find it loveable and I think it represents some of the best things about America.

Like I said, the feminists would think of a guy like WestCoast, a successful white finance guy who is non-ideological and just wants to enjoy his life and bang hot pussy, as the perfect monster. There's something to think about there for those who are tempted to render the same judgment from the opposite side of the ideological spectrum.

But, like I also said, there is no reason for any particular optimism in the here and now. The problems related to to the inexorable advance of feminism are real, they're not going away anytime soon, and no one is really immune to them, whatever they might think or hope.

@tail gunner it wasn't even a personal attack. I am pointing out the fact that he is dropping "data" based on zero experience.

HC said it better than me above, tugging at the heart strings of a political faction/affiliation to gain some credibility.

Same story as I posted above, if you're successful you're not bitter. If you're not bitter why do you hate your country so much. Pretty simple.

Making economic claims on a game forum based on zero actual experience is a bit of a joke no?

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:26 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ you turned to a personal attack because I am right.

If you were well off and successful in the USA and worked hard to get where you are at you would not be this negative against your own country. I'm not even a patriotic guy.

If you are in fact wildly successful against terrible odds and are this negative then you've lost your mind and enjoy biting the hand that fed you.

You continue to demonstrate my point.

You are only able to equate the concept of success with making money.

Anyway, let's not bicker back and forth here like a couple of school girls. I can respect that we have a difference of philosophy and opinion on this issue. More than anything my post was taking issue with your tone throughout the thread, which I think is needlessly condescending. It detracts from the value of your content and doesn't do anything to improve the dialogue here, which should be a debate between men based on arguments, not condescension and dismissal.

^ that's fine. This thread has given me a good list of people to ignore.

Some parts of it are and some parts of it aren't.

Overall, I would say, people, food, water, money, freedom, ideas, attitudes, beliefs, and technologies are worth saving.

Countries are not. They come and go every few centuries.

I wouldn't care if we got taken over by another country, as long as I had my people, food, water, money, freedom, ideas, attitudes, beliefs, and technologies..

I think the different responses here in this thread represent divergent ways of dealing with the same problem. We're all in the same existential boat. But some chose to cope with it differently from others. Some chose to analyze their environment in one way, and other chose other ways.

This is fine. That's why there have been schools of philosophy. The same world can be seen and interpreted--or misinterpreted--through different lenses.

There is one view, the Epicurean view. This view says that the best response in dealing with things is simply to emphasize physical pleasures. Make money, bang women, and close your eyes to everything else. "Don't bother me with your complaining", says this view. It is a legitimate view, a legitimate response to the environment we are in. But it is not one I can agree with for the long term. There is something more to life than a frantic chase after physical pleasure.

Then there is another view...the idea that we should be searching for meaning beyond just the pleasures of the wallet or the flesh. I happen to agree with this view.

Which viewpoint a man takes is based on his personality, his worldview, and his life experiences. What works for one man, may not work for another.

It is very wrong to say that those critical of America are losers, basement dwellers, or malcontents. This is not true. Many of us are successful, well-adjusted, well traveled people with life experiences that you would never suspect. We just have different ways of looking at the world. We find that discussing these things is useful to us. I could just as easily say the blind pro-America position is a refusal to confront the real darkness that is out there.

But bickering gets us nowhere. I enjoyed reading everyone's comments here.

A brief follow-up on the IQ discussion earlier in the thread:

Of course men are smarter than women and have higher IQ. Does anyone on this forum or anyone with a brain in their head seriously doubt that?

The "study" that "J.J." linked to earlier is complete garbage.

Finally, it is my considered opinion, and has been for a long time, that the poster known as "J.J." is a female feminist . I was going to hold off longer but I don't like seeing that in a thread like this. Anyone look at that poster's history and tell me if they disagree.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:38 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

You continue to demonstrate my point.

You are only able to equate the concept of success with making money.

What else is there? To me success means making money while living the lifestyle that makes you happy. I don't know Westcoast personally but based on what I've heard from others who have met him he's a pretty happy-go-lucky guy with tons of energy.

Scorpion both you and WC are very solid posters on the forum. Not everyone always sees eye to eye.

I'm in Westcoasts camp. I probably don't know 1/100th of what he does about investing and maintaining a maximized portfolio, but I know enough to not be pessimistic. That philosophy carries over to life as well.

What if interest rates go up due to QE rollback? Great! I'll move some assets into bonds.

What if inflation continues? (It will) No problem! I'm highly diversified and my investments are up 20% from this time last year.

What if there's a government ban on guns? I don't own one. If I've made it to 32, 13 of those years in Los Angeles, without needing one I'll probably be fine.

What if feminists take over? I'll keep dating foreign girls and watch the decline with a smirk on my face.

What if our water supply dries up? What if a loaf of bread skyrockets to $20? What if the Chinese/Japanese/Russians/Muslims take over? What if? What if? What if?

It never ends with pessimists. The goal should not be a blind optimist and I wouldn't suggest as much. The goal should be being defensive and adaptive.

As a final note, for you "What if" scenario guys. Okay, what if the Chinese invade, every nation on Earth drops the dollar, we elect Lindy West president, and everything else goes to hell. What are you guys going to do about it? Stand on the sidelines and say, "Told you so"? Start the revolution? Take up arms? If the situation is so dire, shouldn't you be doing that right now at this very moment?

As I see it, nationalism is dead. There are plenty of nationalist groups but I think they will die out. All you have to do is look at systems in nature; everything has a tendency to self-organize. When it happens in human society it happens through war, friction, murder, and mayhem, but the end result is a more organized structure. We are moving toward a one-world government whether you like it or not, so the notion of "Is America worth saving" is the byproduct of an antiquated paradigm. It will not do for red-pill men to constantly reminisce of better times that they likely didn't experience in the first place. The way to get ahead is by adapting.

Quote: (12-23-2013 06:03 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

The way to get ahead is by adapting.

I love this!

"Survival of the Fittest" is another way to say -- Survival of those who can best adapt to change

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:59 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I think the different responses here in this thread represent divergent ways of dealing with the same problem. We're all in the same existential boat. But some chose to cope with it differently from others. Some chose to analyze their environment in one way, and other chose other ways.

This is fine. That's why there have been schools of philosophy. The same world can be seen and interpreted--or misinterpreted--through different lenses.

There is one view, the Epicurean view. This view says that the best response in dealing with things is simply to emphasize physical pleasures. Make money, bang women, and close your eyes to everything else. "Don't bother me with your complaining", says this view. It is a legitimate view, a legitimate response to the environment we are in. But it is not one I can agree with for the long term. There is something more to life than a frantic chase after physical pleasure.

Then there is another view...the idea that we should be searching for meaning beyond just the pleasures of the wallet or the flesh. I happen to agree with this view.

Which viewpoint a man takes is based on his personality, his worldview, and his life experiences. What works for one man, may not work for another.

It is very wrong to say that those critical of America are losers, basement dwellers, or malcontents. This is not true. Many of us are successful, well-adjusted, well traveled people with life experiences that you would never suspect. We just have different ways of looking at the world. We find that discussing these things is useful to us. I could just as easily say the blind pro-America position is a refusal to confront the real darkness that is out there.

But bickering gets us nowhere. I enjoyed reading everyone's comments here.

Good post but at some point you have to ask, "What are you doing about it? What am I doing about it?"

As I see it, it's a case of "Think globally, act locally". By working on ourselves and becoming better men we influence those around us, intentionally or not. I know what I wrote about "flying under the radar" but I think it's actually beneficial in social settings to be outwardly spoken about our beliefs.

Anyone wanting to make a difference: Start on yourself. Become the most high value man you can be. High value men have influence. If you're tall, fit, financially stable, have good posture, and are of a certain age, people will listen to you. To anyone else I'd say just find your own happiness and watch the world burn from a distance.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ that's fine. This thread has given me a good list of people to ignore.

But doesn't that also prove Scorpion's point of you being condescending? If you want to ignore people, fine, but you making a big deal of you ignoring people sounds rather arrogant and I think we should be above that here.

Quote: (12-23-2013 06:00 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

A brief follow-up on the IQ discussion earlier in the thread:

Of course men are smarter than women and have higher IQ. Does anyone on this forum or anyone with a brain in their head seriously doubt that?

The "study" that "J.J." linked to earlier is complete garbage.

Finally, it is my considered opinion, and has been for a long time, that the poster known as "J.J." is a female feminist . I was going to hold off longer but I don't like seeing that in a thread like this. Anyone look at that poster's history and tell me if they disagree.

From what I've heard, men and women have a similar average IQ. It's just that there's more variation among men.

So on the one hand you will almost never see female omegas that still live with their parents.

In the same vein, you will almost never see a female Newton either.

Anyway, as I've said in my first post. I don't really have an answer to this question. I can personally attest (after having worked in local/state government on and off for around ten years) that most people truly do not have any idea what they're talking about or what they're voting for. Ask anyone else in these political circles and they will tell you the same thing.

But at the same time this probably isn't unique to America. Reading the 48 Laws of Power will give you a fresh perspective on this. Most people in general are sheep, wherever you go.

Quote: (12-23-2013 06:11 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 06:03 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

The way to get ahead is by adapting.

I love this!

"Survival of the Fittest" is another way to say -- Survival of those who can best adapt to change

But what about victory -- the pleasure of forcing others to adapt to your changes?

As the bard wrote, "I could be king of a nutshell were it not that I have bad dreams."

The question is how small of a nutshell are you willing to accept?

MAN THE BATTLEMENTS!!

Quote: (12-23-2013 06:00 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

A brief follow-up on the IQ discussion earlier in the thread:

Of course men are smarter than women and have higher IQ. Does anyone on this forum or anyone with a brain in their head seriously doubt that?

The "study" that "J.J." linked to earlier is complete garbage.

Finally, it is my considered opinion, and has been for a long time, that the poster known as "J.J." is a female feminist . I was going to hold off longer but I don't like seeing that in a thread like this. Anyone look at that poster's history and tell me if they disagree.

Men and women have similar IQ's which has long been acknowledged. But men have a higher standard deviation hence the fact that more men who are geniuses and more men who are dumb.

Quote: (12-23-2013 05:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It says everything about the values of a Wall Street guy that he automatically assumes a person who disagrees with him must be disgruntled and poor. It's a special kind of obliviousness and arrogance, born out of the sick cultural belief that the accumulation of money is the supreme good, and that since bankers enjoy the closest proximity to money, they themselves must be the most virtuous and knowledgeable of all.

Remember it was these financial "geniuses" that brought the country close to a great depression and had to be bailed out by the government. Maybe he is too big to fail.