Quote: (12-07-2013 11:25 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The French model, people get and stay married, and discreetly fuck around if they need to.

Realistic disciplined and orderly without being puritanical. Also, the French birt rate is not in the toilet like white America as far as I know.
Capitalist economies are designed to keep men AND women working unless you are a 1%-er, and having kids with one parent has proven bad outcomes except maybe
in Scandinavia where they really have their socialist shit together.

The problem in America is the worship of total honesty. If a 50 YO guy who still loves the 40 YO wife who gave him three kids wants to fuck an 18 year old, maybe for money,
evey couple weeks, why shouldn't he? It's just unrealistic to expect him to be perfect after going to some stifling office paying for all that for 35 years straight with 2 weeks a year off.

However, it's also unrealistic to expect the 40 year old wife to accept him coming home and telling her how hot the 18 year old was.

The french model? What? Isn't France the country that won't let you legally do a paternity test unless granted a court order? That is the model where you never marry.

Too subtle?

I believe every man KNOWS you can't (or at least don't want) only be with one woman. the only time I believed I could only be with ONE is before I ever experienced pussy.

once you fall into the gap there no turning back.

no matter how awesome she is. the clock starts ticking after the first fuck.

no matter how awesome the girl, nothing can ever replace the endorphins of new lust.

if you want that feeling, one girl, no matter how amazing, will never suffice for the rest of your life.

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no matter how awesome the girl, nothing can ever replace the endorphins of new lust.

Truth.

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no matter how awesome she is. the clock starts ticking after the first fuck.

Also Truth.

Problem with marriage is, when you marry a best friend or someone who would take a bullet for you, then what? Would you stab a friend in the back, because that's essentially what you are doing. I prefer to reward good deeds and good behaviour, sure it takes some serious willpower to stay married, I find that women hit on you WAY more when you are married. The thing is, I had my wife carry me to the hospital (she's just a small thing) while I was dying of heart failure (low potassium). And it was a long haul up a hill, not easy and nobody would help. So for that, I'm willing to give up variety, even if it IS a daily struggle. Some people deserve the best.

I find myself asking my wife alot if she wants a divorce or to meet other men, just in case, if she doesn't, I get kids and a nice family. If she does, I'll leave on a moments notice and be banging 20 year old Mexican/Thai broads all day long. It's a win-win situation either way.

Wrote out a detailed post but my wifi blew up.

Would you be satisfied with one girl for the rest of your life?

Yes. If I was 85 years old.



On a more serious note, BadWolf

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I find myself asking my wife alot if she wants a divorce or to meet other men, just in case, if she doesn't, I get kids and a nice family. If she does, I'll leave on a moments notice and be banging 20 year old Mexican/Thai broads all day long. It's a win-win situation either way. Big Grin Banana

Respectfully, that's a lose-lose situation for you because
a) If youre asking her that a lot, shows you're insecure OR have cold feet
b) Makes her more likely to be resentful
c) Puts the onus of any eventuality you pursue, on her actions (ideally, if you want marriage and kids, YOU will not cheat. She should be happy with that.) I mean, if you could've banged 20year old broads, will you do it bec SHE acts in a particular way? No. You do it(or not) if you decide its the best course for you.


Also, Reaper, in another thread you spoke about how you've reached the limits of creativity for that endorphin rush with the same female, and it still never "replace the endorphins of new lust", I'm curious if you don't mind -- have you ever had the endorphin rush from pursuing a new activity spill over to the chick you were banging at that time?

Quote: (12-10-2013 09:12 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Problem with marriage is, when you marry a best friend or someone who would take a bullet for you, then what? Would you stab a friend in the back, because that's essentially what you are doing. I prefer to reward good deeds and good behaviour, sure it takes some serious willpower to stay married, I find that women hit on you WAY more when you are married. The thing is, I had my wife carry me to the hospital (she's just a small thing) while I was dying of heart failure (low potassium). And it was a long haul up a hill, not easy and nobody would help. So for that, I'm willing to give up variety, even if it IS a daily struggle. Some people deserve the best.

Once upon a time, my wife saved my life too. I know exactly how you feel, and if you're comfortable being with just her, do that.

But I had to be honest with myself. At the time this drama was going on, I told her the truth: I just can't be with one woman. It was the most difficult thing I'd ever done, but after what she'd done for me I felt she deserved the truth. It was an ugly, painful day. But because of it, I'm free to live my life as I see fit and so is she.

@sharkie. Actually in that other thread I meant I had exhausted the rush with new girls even it feels like. Or to state it less dramatically it dissipates much more quickly. Now.

I have to get more and more creative now just to make the new shit hot. Starting at about bang two it's just blasé.

Interesting question you pose tho. There have been times where great success has made me feel like a million bucks and that did translate well to the bedroom but only for a little bit.

My current ltr is hot and DTF any way I want whenever I want it. But I can't barely muster the effort for it. Maybe that's because im supplementing on the side. But really it was like that before I went out on the sly.

I have great career success, other success in my hobbies, in great shape. If your implied hypothesis held, I would think I would be ape shit for my girl. Which I'm not. And I'm even on exogenous testosterone.

Quote: (12-10-2013 10:45 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

@sharkie. Actually in that other thread I meant I had exhausted the rush with new girls even it feels like. Or to state it less dramatically it dissipates much more quickly. Now.

I have to get more and more creative now just to make the new shit hot. Starting at about bang two it's just blasé.

Interesting question you pose tho. There have been times where great success has made me feel like a million bucks and that did translate well to the bedroom but only for a little bit.

My current ltr is hot and DTF any way I want whenever I want it. But I can't barely muster the effort for it. Maybe that's because im supplementing on the side. But really it was like that before I went out on the sly.

I have great career success, other success in my hobbies, in great shape. If your implied hypothesis held, I would think I would be ape shit for my girl. Which I'm not. And I'm even on exogenous testosterone.

I wasn't hypothesizing that it would be permanent.. just that it would be possible that a spillover did happen occasionally.

Its impossible to continuously get the same kind of rush for every thing one did. So one goes on up-up-upping the stress/fear/difficulty/pay-off of the activities to get the same kind of rush one did in the beginning. And beyond a while,even that's not enough.

Kind of like a drug(or coffee) habit that starts of small and snowballs until finally even the maximum feasible dose produces no significant effect.

I think the problem might be slightly alleviated by ebbs and flows?
A period of usage followed by a period of induced abstinence to reset the dopamine levels?
(Although even here, if its a routine 10 day use 10 day abstinencecycle, the body will probably get adjusted to that.)

Just theory though, will have to put this into practice to see if it actually translates to real life.

@sharkie:

so what you've said is that i should take extended breaks from fucking to get that old feeling back?

i think Athol Kay actually advocates some of that for his soft approach to saving marriages. but it puts all the power in the hands of the woman.

Ive been chasing the dragon for about three years now...nothing i do seems to make it the way it was

Quote: (12-10-2013 10:45 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

@sharkie. Actually in that other thread I meant I had exhausted the rush with new girls even it feels like. Or to state it less dramatically it dissipates much more quickly. Now.

I have great career success, other success in my hobbies, in great shape. If your implied hypothesis held, I would think I would be ape shit for my girl. Which I'm not. And I'm even on exogenous testosterone.

anhedonia can be a symptom of depression, or nutrition probs, or inadequate sleep, or substance abuse...

Quote: (12-11-2013 01:07 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

@sharkie:

so what you've said is that i should take extended breaks from fucking to get that old feeling back?

i think Athol Kay actually advocates some of that for his soft approach to saving marriages. but it puts all the power in the hands of the woman.

Ive been chasing the dragon for about three years now...nothing i do seems to make it the way it was

I am not advising you anything.

Ive read a lot of your posts on RVF and you seem like an insightful poster and think that you'll probably have taken the appropriate measures chasing the dragon.

A reset does help, whether it is naturally or deliberately induced.
However, there are degrees to which you can go back.

Can you experience the rush of emotion when you first had mind blowing sex? No.
Can you get back a modicum of excitement, a certain degree of pleasure on the second bang? Perhaps.


I was a hookah addict for 4 years straight.

Still remember the first 2-3 months when we ran off to a shady place near my house and we used to sit and smoke and act like we were kings of the world. Best time of my life. Best bang frequency of my life.

The place shut down, and we moved to a different place. Wasn't good enough. Moved to a high end place. Wasn't good enough. Bought a custom made hookah at home,pure flavors, hired a guy who had a FUCKIN DEGREE in hookah making from someplace in Dubai. Still wasn't good enough. For four years, I tried to recapture the "magic" of the first few months.

Different sheeshas, different flavours, different environments, different coal,different smoking pipes, different hookah bases...

Replace Sharkie with Reaper and the pleasure from smoking hookah by the pleasure from having sex.
Fool's gold.

Sure, I abstained from hookah occasionally, and that made me more desperate once I went back, and marginally improved the pleasure of it...but that was probably from the stress of trying to kick the habit.

2 reasons why you probably will never be able to recapture the past "glory", so to speak, might be -

1- The brain will distort your past memories to make them more palatable to you. The memory you have of yourself and your experiences in the past will be exaggerated towards the positive end of the spectrum.

You will now remember yourself being happier at a point in time than you actually were. The impact of significant events such as 26/11, your first fight, the first time you made a girl squirt etc will appear to be more than what it was...and you may essentially be chasing an impossible target.

2- Beyond a certain number of repetitions, I think one becomes weary / jaded of an activity which involves(or at least in the beginning involved) some sort of reward such as a dopamine hit. No amount of stop gaps or resets can help beyond this stage. The neural wiring just wont change unless something really drastic happens, and that something drastic might often be traumatic and/or paralyzing... not a neurobiologist or anything, so I can't corroborate this claim.

This state of disrepair may be temporarily offset by the spillover of emotions from a highly rewarding newer activity.

Hence the first question to you.

I'm pretty sure I could stay happy with just one woman forever, if she was a high quality woman. But finding such a woman can be really problematic nowadays.

Quote: (12-11-2013 02:41 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I'm pretty sure I could stay happy with just one woman forever, if she was a high quality woman. But finding such a woman can be really problematic nowadays.

You're 26, right?

When you get older and see what girls who are your age turn into, you may change your mind. Women tend to get fatter, more bitter, and less willing to compromise. In other words, difficult.

Worse, your sexual interests are not likely to age with you. I'm 40. I still like the same late teen/early twenties girls I liked when I was that age. What will you do when your only sexual option looks like crushed wet newspaper?

Just food for thought...

I'm afraid you may be right. Looking back at my high school and college classmates, they have started rapidly deteriorating both in character and looks.

However, there's always other countries and younger woman. If I marry a 22 year old Vietnamese girl (just an example) when I'm 32, then I'd say there is a decent shot at being happy in my old age.

No... and won't be with any woman who thinks that I should.

Is it possible? Yes BUT would I ever follow through? Most likely not...

Earlier this year I met an AMAZING WOMAN to this day I'm fascinated by how social she is and how much we "complemented" each other. In all honesty, we would've meshed really well due to our polar opposites in terms of our lifestyle. The problem was ME and how I am.

In my mind, MONOGAMY is a very selfish act because I know how amazing I am and to only give that potential experience to ONE WOMAN is by default selfish. On a more PERSONAL GROWTH level what I loved about this year is the wide range of personalities that showed me different aspects about women that I liked and disliked. The LOVE I had for her wasn't the same as the LOVE I had for say the chick I consider my CLONE. Anytime, I meet new women I'm excited to see how things will mesh, what new surprises and breakthroughs may come from our interaction. For instance...
- Met a french girl who forever changed how I viewed pillowtalk
- Met a chick who made me "Grounded" in myself as a man since to her all other women were missing out
- Two best friends, I fool around with both BUT the way we interact is different between the two

Based on everything in my life, I feel as if monogamy is me accepting the fact that I no longer want to grow and make drastic breakthroughs. When I was with the chick I loved earlier this year, I did not feel any need to mess with any other chicks. Ironically, enough I love the fact that she was "my other half". You'd watch her owning a venue while I just chill back. By the end of the night we were having wild sex that no one could even imagine.

I think this type of stuff can only possibly happen if BOTH OF YOU ARE QUALITY PEOPLE...

I knew my self-worth and the fact that I am in a situation where I NEVER have to settle down because I could be 40-50 and still get gorgeous women. There was no need for me to cheat or be distracted by others because it was my choice to make her THE ONE. I loved how I am so much that I wouldn't change towards unprofitable states. Yes, we came out together BUT we socialized as individuals while still showing that we were together.

I think it is an awesome thing when you have it BUT for me personally it simply isn't the path I'm going. I will die alone having lived a rather adventurous life.

P.S...A joke one of my female friends make is the fact that I FALL IN LOVE every night I go out. Reason she states that is because ALMOST each day I meet a new potentially amazing chick and I'm blown away by how well we mesh. Good example was a chick who did a documentary/roadtrip from sanfrancisco. I was INSTANTLY DRAWN TO HER.

As I've read in some of the posts already, in my opinion it's more about your age.

Any cat that is under 30 years old should not even consider exclusive relationships. You can try them out if you like but in most cases it's going to be detrimental to your game and overall experience in some way.

30-40 depending on your energy levels you might want to slow down the flow of new girls. But you most likely will be focusing on money above all at this point as a player who has options and would rather keep a few girls in rotation if possible rather than one exclusive girlfriend.

40+ is where I see energy levels to game will be down much more than when you were really young. At this point it all depends on the player. I think any man who 'settles down' at this point is making a good choice only if he's a man with options due to his game and becomes exclusive with a girl that meets his standards and is much younger than him.

Quote: (12-11-2013 10:37 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Is it possible? Yes BUT would I ever follow through? Most likely not...

Earlier this year I met an AMAZING WOMAN to this day I'm fascinated by how social she is and how much we "complemented" each other. In all honesty, we would've meshed really well due to our polar opposites in terms of our lifestyle. The problem was ME and how I am.

In my mind, MONOGAMY is a very selfish act because I know how amazing I am and to only give that potential experience to ONE WOMAN is by default selfish. On a more PERSONAL GROWTH level what I loved about this year is the wide range of personalities that showed me different aspects about women that I liked and disliked. The LOVE I had for her wasn't the same as the LOVE I had for say the chick I consider my CLONE. Anytime, I meet new women I'm excited to see how things will mesh, what new surprises and breakthroughs may come from our interaction. For instance...
- Met a french girl who forever changed how I viewed pillowtalk
- Met a chick who made me "Grounded" in myself as a man since to her all other women were missing out
- Two best friends, I fool around with both BUT the way we interact is different between the two

Based on everything in my life, I feel as if monogamy is me accepting the fact that I no longer want to grow and make drastic breakthroughs. When I was with the chick I loved earlier this year, I did not feel any need to mess with any other chicks. Ironically, enough I love the fact that she was "my other half". You'd watch her owning a venue while I just chill back. By the end of the night we were having wild sex that no one could even imagine.

I think this type of stuff can only possibly happen if BOTH OF YOU ARE QUALITY PEOPLE...

I knew my self-worth and the fact that I am in a situation where I NEVER have to settle down because I could be 40-50 and still get gorgeous women. There was no need for me to cheat or be distracted by others because it was my choice to make her THE ONE. I loved how I am so much that I wouldn't change towards unprofitable states. Yes, we came out together BUT we socialized as individuals while still showing that we were together.

I think it is an awesome thing when you have it BUT for me personally it simply isn't the path I'm going. I will die alone having lived a rather adventurous life.

P.S...A joke one of my female friends make is the fact that I FALL IN LOVE every night I go out. Reason she states that is because ALMOST each day I meet a new potentially amazing chick and I'm blown away by how well we mesh. Good example was a chick who did a documentary/roadtrip from sanfrancisco. I was INSTANTLY DRAWN TO HER.

Distant Light this seems to be along the same lines of thinking as mine. I am married and have mentioned in other posts that although it is a monogamous gesture to be legally bound to each other, off paper we have and will continue to have a polyamorous lifestyle with me wanting other women and that it is an unstoppable force within me to consistently have other women. She has accepted it and my frame of not budging from my base instincts that it actually has made us happier. I don't know how it works and haven't applied my mental capacity to pick it apart thoroughly as I feel anytime I sit back and think WHY I do things they then became harder to duplicate knowing the science behind it. I go with my gut and instincts and that is what I think continues to be my saving grace< especially with women but moreso other areas of my life


I have found one thing though that works for maintaining a life with one woman and it is hobbies. I ride 20 miles of road bike every few days, given good weather, with my girl and she feels like she is apart of something with me and that's just 1 hobby. Most of these other girls I have when I'm not with her join in on my hobbies and also feel like they are apart of something. I know what they mean by feeling apart of something but seems harder to prove,verbally.



On account of going out with my wife for fun, pleasure, socializing, and eventually pulling @ least 1 number to follow up with is ,surprisingly, considered a hobby for us. SHe always comments on how she can tell that I fall into LUST with at least 1 woman any time we go out. Most times it''s a woman that we both are attracted to on a beauty level. Once we get her into our rotation she is with me for her physical attractiveness and perhaps some good convo or she is a general fun person, but with my wife she likes to connect with these women from a " Isn't my husband a wonderful guy" perspective. Talk about DHV, all provided vicariously by my wife. This lifestyle GIVES my wwife a way to be a part of something that she also likes herself. I never doubted who I am and what i want in my relationships and that has enabled me to be in a marriage but maintain a side stream of girls that I want to be with to "keep my sanity" so to speak.



There are girls out there who are ideal for situations like this. It took me to "sow my wild oats" to realize what made me happiest and now after going after this "happiness" I get to live what I first created in my mind. Don't think This would have been figured out if I first hadn't spent my teens and early 20's chasing lots of tail and gaining intel into what and with who I could live this lifestyle with. Debriefing every female does have it's advantages after all. Take notes, adjust, calibrate do whatever you gotta do to tailor what you want, how you want it and you could perhaps arrive at the answer you want someday. For some it could come later(invest more energy/time if it's an immediate goal) and others earlier like me and I'm only 27.

Quote: (12-11-2013 04:43 PM)estraudi Wrote:  

Distant Light this seems to be along the same lines of thinking as mine. I am married and have mentioned in other posts that although it is a monogamous gesture to be legally bound to each other, off paper we have and will continue to have a polyamorous lifestyle with me wanting other women and that it is an unstoppable force within me to consistently have other women. She has accepted it and my frame of not budging from my base instincts that it actually has made us happier.

Serious question, not a troll: How do you feel about your wife fucking other dudes?

Quote: (12-11-2013 05:56 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Quote: (12-11-2013 04:43 PM)estraudi Wrote:  

Distant Light this seems to be along the same lines of thinking as mine. I am married and have mentioned in other posts that although it is a monogamous gesture to be legally bound to each other, off paper we have and will continue to have a polyamorous lifestyle with me wanting other women and that it is an unstoppable force within me to consistently have other women. She has accepted it and my frame of not budging from my base instincts that it actually has made us happier.

Serious question, not a troll: How do you feel about your wife fucking other dudes?

Serious Answer: As has been asked of me before, My woman seems to have no interest in other men whatsoever. She finds some attractive but she has stated she only checks out other guys to see if there will be one that looks just like me in a crowd. In our time together she's only seen 1 dude like me but was much shorter than my 6'2". I told her the direction I wanted to live my life when we were in that initial meeting stage. I didn't have bullshit questions with career,kids, material things. I got down to brass tacks and let her know what I wanted/needed out of her and that it"s going to be me and her,no guys, and some girlfriends from time to time.


Also, I've slowly steered the conversation toward that question when she's been drunk, stoned, sober, sick, during PMS and what not and her answer always is the same with no variation. A deadpan NO with a lengthy explanation as to why. I can metaphorically phrase it as a lioness always sticking by that one Supreme Alpha lion. Other lionesses(sp?) may fall in and out of the equation or run off with another Alpha but she's my constant lieutenant and truly believes sticking by her man and honoring the contract we both agreed to sign(marriage license). Rare, I know, but this woman has very easy tells if she were to lie and or be deceptive in any way and I am able to pick it up at the slightest hint and take it from there and tell her what SHE'S thinking. THinks I can read her mind.

Quote: (12-11-2013 06:41 PM)estraudi Wrote:  

Serious Answer: As has been asked of me before, My woman seems to have no interest in other men whatsoever. She finds some attractive but she has stated she only checks out other guys to see if there will be one that looks just like me in a crowd. In our time together she's only seen 1 dude like me but was much shorter than my 6'2". I told her the direction I wanted to live my life when we were in that initial meeting stage. I didn't have bullshit questions with career,kids, material things. I got down to brass tacks and let her know what I wanted/needed out of her and that it"s going to be me and her,no guys, and some girlfriends from time to time.


Also, I've slowly steered the conversation toward that question when she's been drunk, stoned, sober, sick, during PMS and what not and her answer always is the same with no variation. A deadpan NO with a lengthy explanation as to why. I can metaphorically phrase it as a lioness always sticking by that one Supreme Alpha lion. Other lionesses(sp?) may fall in and out of the equation or run off with another Alpha but she's my constant lieutenant and truly believes sticking by her man and honoring the contract we both agreed to sign(marriage license). Rare, I know, but this woman has very easy tells if she were to lie and or be deceptive in any way and I am able to pick it up at the slightest hint and take it from there and tell her what SHE'S thinking. THinks I can read her mind.

This was actually the norm of marriages prior to the feminist "revolution" in the 1960's. Men were expected to have mistresses/concubines along side their wives. I couldn't make it work, and it's good to see someone who could.

Last question. She admits to fucking a guy, do you leave her?

Quote: (12-11-2013 07:14 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Quote: (12-11-2013 06:41 PM)estraudi Wrote:  

Serious Answer: As has been asked of me before, My woman seems to have no interest in other men whatsoever. She finds some attractive but she has stated she only checks out other guys to see if there will be one that looks just like me in a crowd. In our time together she's only seen 1 dude like me but was much shorter than my 6'2". I told her the direction I wanted to live my life when we were in that initial meeting stage. I didn't have bullshit questions with career,kids, material things. I got down to brass tacks and let her know what I wanted/needed out of her and that it"s going to be me and her,no guys, and some girlfriends from time to time.


Also, I've slowly steered the conversation toward that question when she's been drunk, stoned, sober, sick, during PMS and what not and her answer always is the same with no variation. A deadpan NO with a lengthy explanation as to why. I can metaphorically phrase it as a lioness always sticking by that one Supreme Alpha lion. Other lionesses(sp?) may fall in and out of the equation or run off with another Alpha but she's my constant lieutenant and truly believes sticking by her man and honoring the contract we both agreed to sign(marriage license). Rare, I know, but this woman has very easy tells if she were to lie and or be deceptive in any way and I am able to pick it up at the slightest hint and take it from there and tell her what SHE'S thinking. THinks I can read her mind.

This was actually the norm of marriages prior to the feminist "revolution" in the 1960's. Men were expected to have mistresses/concubines along side their wives. I couldn't make it work, and it's good to see someone who could.

Last question. She admits to fucking a guy, do you leave her?

Absolutely that"s what my family< especially my father has to say about how marriages used to be and he remembers his mom being super pissed because my grandfather went out on her behind her back and she still was married to the guy until he died of cancer in 1990's. So in a sense he thinks I'm doing what his father did but with my woman knowing and understanding why I do what I do.


The implication is there that if she were to ever do that then yeah I would leave her. She earns way more than me so technically she stands more to lose from this marriage than me, materially. No kids for us and this is basically a bonnie&clyde marriage where I have a down ass girl by my side for everything. Funny how things work out sometimes ehh Shotgun Styles?

Quote: (12-11-2013 07:47 PM)estraudi Wrote:  

Absolutely that"s what my family< especially my father has to say about how marriages used to be and he remembers his mom being super pissed because my grandfather went out on her behind her back and she still was married to the guy until he died of cancer in 1990's. So in a sense he thinks I'm doing what his father did but with my woman knowing and understanding why I do what I do.


The implication is there that if she were to ever do that then yeah I would leave her. She earns way more than me so technically she stands more to lose from this marriage than me, materially. No kids for us and this is basically a bonnie&clyde marriage where I have a down ass girl by my side for everything. Funny how things work out sometimes ehh Shotgun Styles?

Well, you made that shit work, so you're a better man than me. All I can say is...

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erious Answer: As has been asked of me before, My woman seems to have no interest in other men whatsoever. She finds some attractive but she has stated she only checks out other guys to see if there will be one that looks just like me in a crowd. In our time together she's only seen 1 dude like me but was much shorter than my 6'2". I told her the direction I wanted to live my life when we were in that initial meeting stage. I didn't have bullshit questions with career,kids, material things. I got down to brass tacks and let her know what I wanted/needed out of her and that it"s going to be me and her,no guys, and some girlfriends from time to time.


Also, I've slowly steered the conversation toward that question when she's been drunk, stoned, sober, sick, during PMS and what not and her answer always is the same with no variation. A deadpan NO with a lengthy explanation as to why. I can metaphorically phrase it as a lioness always sticking by that one Supreme Alpha lion. Other lionesses(sp?) may fall in and out of the equation or run off with another Alpha but she's my constant lieutenant and truly believes sticking by her man and honoring the contract we both agreed to sign(marriage license). Rare, I know, but this woman has very easy tells if she were to lie and or be deceptive in any way and I am able to pick it up at the slightest hint and take it from there and tell her what SHE'S thinking. Thinks I can read her mind.

At the end of the day you still have to GAME your girl and make her want you, she obviously still really wants you, marriage changes nothing really. I do the same with my wife and I think by asking her if she wants a divorce, I'm communicating that I'm still highly in demand (which I am). It has nothing to do with insecurity, if she picked up and left tomorrow, I wouldn't be hurt. She knows that and it keeps the ball squarely in my court. She keeps herself thin and looking pretty, and she knows she is always competing against other women. I think its the same situation as the one above except he's banging more women. I couldn't do that, my old man did that to my mother and in the end it tore her up, plus I was always pissed off that the old man was busy getting his d1ck wet instead of teaching me how to use power tools or build things. I plan on having children and won't be doing this with my kids. Marriage is a sh1t contract for a man unless the man knows exactly what he is doing at all times.. The moment you give a woman power over you, even a little, she won't respect you. She values herself according to the challenge it requires to keep you faithful in a marriage.

You treat men and women differently, men with logic, women with emotion.