As I was reading Roosh's heterophobia post today, I was reminded of a video that a friend of mine had posted on facebook from a liberal perspective, to evoke pathos for the homosexual cause.

The gist of the video is this: it shows a heterosexual young girl raised who lives in a world where homosexuality is the norm, and heteros are bullied, apparently the same way homos were 50 years ago. [according to the video I think they want you to think they are still treated that way now].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ROXTFfkcfo

When I first saw this, I at some level tried to empathize, but now I see this more like the scary, unnatural, even monstrous future that may in fact come to pass. The mainstream thinks of this as fantasy, but if you see trends in reality, you see this as a possible reality.

P.S. The video is semi-long - 19 minutes. But it's worth the look, atleast a browse through, just to get your blood boiling a bit.

I remember when I saw this and felt trolled at the end:

I don't mind gay people. I hope they are happy and all that stuff.

But, there is something really funny and silly about two men exchanging marriage vows and rings.

They should go off and make their own version of marriage or wedding ceremony instead of just crudely appropriating the traditional one.

With all those creative homos out there, you'd think they'd just be like "fuck this" and make their own thing.



I do think there is also a trolling element a lot of the time. People are constantly looking for attention and a sense of power. By making a to do, they get a sense of importance. Of course there are real gay couples, but, nowadays, a lot of what passes for "gay" or "post-gender" or whatever, is either people who are just trying shit out, wanting more attention, or not having a sense or purpose in life. The word "gay" has become watered down just like so many other words. It used to have a transgressive power to it. I think a lot of drag queens will start to get mad when what they do isn't seen as some strange or decadent anymore.

Why do you think all of our pop music sucks now? Nobody has anything to sing about.

Cultural sovereignty is inseparable from political sovereignty because culture is the fount of accountability and you will never maintain political sovereignty without a means of maintaining accountability. So they have to destroy every last vestige of illusion that the would-be conquered population has any control over their culture. If you can't decide on broad elements of proper behavior, you sure aren't going to decide on your currency, wars, immigration, borders, who you get to hire or any other element of what was formerly considered the basic tenets of a free people in a modern Western nation.

Gays are just the current pawns in the ongoing genocide against Western Civilization.

By the way that was a bold and powerful essay Roosh. I got to say thanks once again for telling it like it is.

Yeah Roosh, obviously the rhetoric of that video is to portray gay relationships as the ideal white picket fence type healthy environments to raise kids. They would obviously never show the highly promiscuous nature of gay relationships, because that attracts bad press, plus undermines the child adoption lobby, because they have already tried to established single players as awful parents. My main problem with a lot of this is child adoption by gay parents, and you in that past have written a good piece on that topic (the one where the child cross dresses to gain approval).

Actually this brings up a whole new point to me. One of the big red pill books on mating strategy and sexuality I have read, "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker, cited bisexuality as an evolutionary advantage, while homosexuality as a sexual failure. The reason being that it is easier to experiment sexually from a young age with the same sex, and this helps one learn sexual strategy (essentially Game), which later makes it easier to mate with the opposite sex and thus reproduce. He also cites this as the possible cause for homophobia, we are afraid that all gays may be Bi, and thus evolutionarily a threat, just like the Neanderthals might have been to the the Sapiens. So that is something also to talk about.

Also, one of the most red pill writers in my opinion was Oscar Wilde (I recommend The Picture of Dorian Gray to everyone on here), was gay (may have been bi since he did have a wife and kids I believe). Yet he also realized homosexuality for what it was, it was a way for him to derive pleasure, and sure as the libs say "to be who he was". He never tried to raise a family though...

I have no problem with homosexuality.

I have a problem when otherwise genetically normal boys are getting pushed around to become and act gay. My own family tried to shove this down my throat and I resent it whole heartily. If I had come out gay, there would have been a huge party and everyone would be "so proud" of my decision.

It's annoying, infuriating, and pulls the rug from underneath me. In all honesty, I probably have some form of bisexuality going on because of all of the upbringing. It's made me hella charming, a decent dresser, and regardless of my red pill ways societally acceptable.

I don't see the point in engaging in it because: 1. I have yet to meet any man where that sexual "spark" is ignited. For women, the spark is almost immediate.
2. I want to see my genetic lineage extended on to the next generation. I don't see the point in wasting my time with a dude just to end it with him while I go back to women.
3. The health risks are obscene. HIV is in fact a homosexual disease.

I always have people asking me if I am gay. I personally can't stand it and frankly I find it insulting. I wish I lived in a time where that rampant narcissism was shamed and people would call me eccentric instead of "gay".

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

Also, can you provide some statistics to back all this stuff up? Otherwise, we might come sounding alarmist.

At least some are fighting back:

Croatia bans gay marriage

The tears of our liberals/leftists/feminists are delicious. They had been spewing hatred during the entire campaign, trying to sabotage the referendum by any means possible, and thus committed a proverbial harakiri by alienating most of the public against them (I have absolutely nothing against gay rights and gay marriage, but I can't stand for mind control). They are tearing up right now.

Roosh's post is spot-on, and hater comments like "OMG I'm unsubscribing" are to be expected. Keep on rolling, Roosh.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:01 PM)soup Wrote:  

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

I don't think so. I see sexuality on a spectrum and certain women definitely hit up the "traits" that we're all looking for. The "What is a 10" threads are definitely consistent with what we find attractive.

I find it abhorrent that we have a culture that glorifies this. Congrats your (insert title of some SWPL group here), I don't care. Get a job and further the success of our country.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:01 PM)soup Wrote:  

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

I don't think so. I see sexuality on a spectrum and certain women definitely hit up the "traits" that we're all looking for. The "What is a 10" threads are definitely consistent with what we find attractive.

I find it abhorrent that we have a culture that glorifies this. Congrats your (insert title of some SWPL group here), I don't care. Get a job and further the success of our country.

By this logic, the feminists are right, and our love for skinny women with nice bodies is learned and not instinctual.

Of course there are different levels of quality.. but that's not what I'm talking about.

No matter how much we claim to be cavemen, we are very far from it. One must answer the question : what is civilization? I absolutely believe that society and external stimuli can change some of the wiring. Actually more likely, stimuli at a formative age develop some wiring that has not been develop at birth. For example children who have been abused at a young age by male or female relatives show different types of sexual tendencies later on. Another example could be foot fetishes that may develop through abuse by a babysitter who initially had a shoe/foot fetish. the reason feminism is scary is not because they can't change what we find attractive, but because they CAN. Why do we have such a pussified male class today begging after female white Hutts? External stimuli my friend.

The REASON we as men do not want to be changed thusly is because it is evelutionarily stronger to mate with fit girls. Better genetic code = better progeny. This is genetic wiring. However with enough external conditioning this can be changed, especially when done at an early age.

It's irrelevant whether gayness is biological or not. If people don't have the right to decide on cultural norms they don't have the right to decide anything. In fact a people that has no such right are no longer a people.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:07 PM)soup Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:01 PM)soup Wrote:  

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

I don't think so. I see sexuality on a spectrum and certain women definitely hit up the "traits" that we're all looking for. The "What is a 10" threads are definitely consistent with what we find attractive.

I find it abhorrent that we have a culture that glorifies this. Congrats your (insert title of some SWPL group here), I don't care. Get a job and further the success of our country.

By this logic, the feminists are right, and our love for skinny women with nice bodies is learned and not instinctual.

Of course there are different levels of quality.. but that's not what I'm talking about.

Regardless if it is learned or not, it is pointless to even waste ones time thinking about this as it does nothing to further our society. Heck it detracts from it.

The Controllers push homosexuality and heterophobia.

The objective: POPULATION CONTROL AND REDUCTION

homos don't reproduce. Every act of homosexual sex that takes place means that a birth has 0% of occurring.

Ahh...maybe...gays can still reproduce using surrogates, testtube babies etc. I think thats the scary part for me - the place we are taking human reproduction. Obviously these are great scientific advances for cases where a wife has had a health problem during a delivery or something like that, but to completely remove the mating process - where this may be headed is abnormal, and also gives feminists, and especially ugly feminists , immeasurable power by removing the male.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:19 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:07 PM)soup Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:01 PM)soup Wrote:  

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

I don't think so. I see sexuality on a spectrum and certain women definitely hit up the "traits" that we're all looking for. The "What is a 10" threads are definitely consistent with what we find attractive.

I find it abhorrent that we have a culture that glorifies this. Congrats your (insert title of some SWPL group here), I don't care. Get a job and further the success of our country.

By this logic, the feminists are right, and our love for skinny women with nice bodies is learned and not instinctual.

Of course there are different levels of quality.. but that's not what I'm talking about.

Regardless if it is learned or not, it is pointless to even waste ones time thinking about this as it does nothing to further our society. Heck it detracts from it.

No- we need to be consistent in what we say otherwise we will not be taken seriously.

Soup, certainly the line is thinner and more malleable with sexual orientation than it is with preferences within an orientation. Isn't that explanation enough? We are talking two different preferences her, it's no wonder that one is "softer" than the other.

Given the ratios in America, the more gays the better.

For all the anti-marriage sentiments in the manosphere, I find it really weird that anyone on here would have a problem with gay marriage.

I find it equally abhorrent as heterosexual marriage. Meaning I would participate in neither but wouldn't ever care to restrict others from doing it if they want to. It doesn't effect me.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:00 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

I have no problem with homosexuality.

I have a problem when otherwise genetically normal boys are getting pushed around to become and act gay. My own family tried to shove this down my throat and I resent it whole heartily. If I had come out gay, there would have been a huge party and everyone would be "so proud" of my decision.


I always have people asking me if I am gay. I personally can't stand it and frankly I find it insulting. I wish I lived in a time where that rampant narcissism was shamed and people would call me eccentric instead of "gay".

I don't understand. Do you live somewhere with a huge gay population? Do you dress/act effeminate?

This just sounds really weird to me. I live in the Northeast US so it's not like I'm removed from the most "progressive" subcultures either.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:26 PM)soup Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:19 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:07 PM)soup Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:01 PM)soup Wrote:  

One thing that I'm a little confused about is the idea that sexuality is cultural- that it can be learned.

Isn't this giving-in to the argument that our standards of beauty are culturally learned as well?

Roosh, don't we have to pick a side on this issue? Either we are hardwired to find something sexually attractive or we are not.

I like the combination of real pussy, tits, ass, and feminine energy. Are you saying that I learned to like this?

I don't think so. I see sexuality on a spectrum and certain women definitely hit up the "traits" that we're all looking for. The "What is a 10" threads are definitely consistent with what we find attractive.

I find it abhorrent that we have a culture that glorifies this. Congrats your (insert title of some SWPL group here), I don't care. Get a job and further the success of our country.

By this logic, the feminists are right, and our love for skinny women with nice bodies is learned and not instinctual.

Of course there are different levels of quality.. but that's not what I'm talking about.

Regardless if it is learned or not, it is pointless to even waste ones time thinking about this as it does nothing to further our society. Heck it detracts from it.

No- we need to be consistent in what we say otherwise we will not be taken seriously.

I don't see what is inconsistent in my message. The whole constant, "sexuality this or that" is a waste of time in the same vein as wasting airtime for gay marriage. The government should not be in the market to define what a marriage is. Call it a union or what not.

Last I checked, this goal of this forum was the betterment of ourselves and as a secondary consequence our society. Self reliance is what builds a culture and a country.

The "gay this, lesbian that" as well as defining masculinity and feminism detracts from the real issues, like say our crazy national debt, an over bloated police state, and a stagnating economy.

If we were to focus our message on self reliance, it would naturally correct the problems we have right now. Women (for the most part) are piss poor at self reliance whereas men tend to be a little better. If a woman wants to be "strong and independent" than let her, but a country that focuses on hard work, industrial strength, and a community rooted in ones ability to work then she'll be subjugated to the hardships that men are and either pick up the pace or drop out. She earned her respect at that point.

There's a strong contingent on this forum to try and restore the classic 1950s social morés. I like the 50s just like anyone else, but we need to be realistic in our stated goals which unfortunately means accepting that we need to be more inclusive when it comes to groups.

TL;DR, we need to focus our message on self reliance, teaching men to not back done to conflict, and working to eliminate narcissism.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:39 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:00 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

I have no problem with homosexuality.

I have a problem when otherwise genetically normal boys are getting pushed around to become and act gay. My own family tried to shove this down my throat and I resent it whole heartily. If I had come out gay, there would have been a huge party and everyone would be "so proud" of my decision.


I always have people asking me if I am gay. I personally can't stand it and frankly I find it insulting. I wish I lived in a time where that rampant narcissism was shamed and people would call me eccentric instead of "gay".

I don't understand. Do you live somewhere with a huge gay population? Do you dress/act effeminate?

This just sounds really weird to me. I live in the Northeast US so it's not like I'm removed from the most "progressive" subcultures either.

I don't see myself as effeminate. I don't have a lisp or a any of the mannerisms. I live in Boston and work in a soft industry where I am surrounded by gay dudes and women. I would personally love to meet some more esteemed members of the board for their own opinion because I definitely see it as a game issue.

For some reason, guys in Boston when they go out dress like sh!t whereas I am rocking a blazer and pocket square. It seems here that, "well dressed = gay". For the girls, I have tricks I use to spin the question back to them.

Quote: (12-02-2013 12:29 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Soup, certainly the line is thinner and more malleable with sexual orientation than it is with preferences within an orientation. Isn't that explanation enough? We are talking two different preferences her, it's no wonder that one is "softer" than the other.

So, you are saying that you could have been convinced to be gay if you had grown up in a culture that pushed you towards it?

I think about sex as food. I get hungry when I see see good food and my stomach is empty.

Looking at a bicycle doesn't make me hungry. It never will.

It's same with pussy. I get physically turned on when I see good pussy. A man's dick is not only not a turn on for me (like I don't want to take it my mouth or ass), a dick near me get me angry.

It's over. Next generation has already been indoctrinated.