Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

True. Also, I would generally take the advice of Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, or Korean men with a pinch of salt when they describe how women in their countries react to foreigners. Like some backpackers and lame English teachers, they tend to exagerate and embellish the effects of 'exotic capital' and the 'foreigner bonus'.

Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Haha. When I was trying to meet Chinese women online, one of them asked me what my job in China would be. I told her "English teacher," and she stopped responding.

I've heard they have an even worse rep in Korea and Japan. I would not brag about being one there, that's for sure.

Quote: (09-21-2013 12:02 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

How does one avoid those type A girls? I mean, where do they hang out to avoid these spots and focus instead on the type B girls? What would be the best strategy for getting A type girls? Social circle? Mutual friends introducing you?

Another thing: on a episode of the tv show House Hunters International they did on Taiwan, the guy, an english teacher was shown decent aparts in the 150-220$/month! How much would a nice pad in the heart of the action go for? Is it similar to BKK price wise where sweet places can be had for about 1k/month?

Thanks for the rep man, much appreciated. (and to DirectDanger)

I only really see these 'type A' girls in clubs or strutting around Zongxiao Dunhua. They make up a huge population of the females in the clubs, but only a small population of the girls here in general. After a month you learn how to suss out 'Type A' from 'Type B'.

It sounds kinda silly but I know how to spot them now. 'Type B' girls just seem to stand around like a gaggle of geese. They usually smile a lot more, and they dress a little bit differently (though still incredibly femininely). They also dance really badly (it's so damn cute) and they never smoke. These girls care much more about their parent's opinions of them. They're timid but they are very approachable.

Last time I was in Myst, I approached three 'Type B' girls and they just giggled and shouted out answers to my jokes in unison, playfully slapping one another. It was like something from a Family Guy sketch that features Quagmire.

If I tried that with 'Type A' girls they'd just look at me with the face of a bulldog chewing a wasp. I remember accidentally approaching a Type A girl for the second time in a night after she blew me out. She stared at me with a look of death and I laughed in her face and said "Haha, oh dear!" (I won't do that again though, next time a white knight will jump on that. Drama is bad.)

Yep. I've not bagged a 'Type A' girl yet. Just B's and C's. It's as hard as Korea to get them in my opinion. That's why some reports of Taipei on this website have the girls here down as cold and a write-off. I've seen only a couple of westerners with these girls, but never in the club. Usually, they're frighteningly good-looking guys who probably do more than teach English. They probably speak Mandarin too, I speak barely any. (Though I'm learning).

I think you'd need the help of mutual friends, or a social circle. I've not found cool enough guys here for that yet though. Anyone who's lived in Asia will be familiar with Asian guys 'promising' their 'fine' female friends, only to find that they really just want you to get them white girls. I've been offered 'introductions' to girls but they're usually pretty average. I got friendly with some of the Vintage clothes store people, but the girls from that haven't been mind-blowing so far.

I'd like a seasoned day-gamer to give his opinion on Taipei, as I am purely nightgame.

I was meant to meet some day-gamers this weekend. I told them my notch rate and asked for theirs, but one of them said "PUA's don't usually tell each other their notch count". Then he said "I don't get many notches from daygame YET, but I have been introduced to many girls through my social circle."

Some guys are so full of shit . When it comes to girls, I only trust guys on this forum now.

In terms of accommodation. I struck gold. My apartment is 8,000NT a month. It's in Banqiao. It has a balcony bigger than my parent's living room. A big living room, two bedrooms and a kitchen. It's on the top floor, I can see all over New Taipei City.

Most other teachers here live in small little boxes which resemble hotel rooms, for about 10,000 a month. Taiwanese friends even gasp at the low cost of my place. I got lucky. It's tough to find a really good deal here if you don't speak Chinese or have 'links', which I did.

Some girl I banged lives in Zongxiao Dunhua and pays 16,000NT a month for a one-room apartment which is the same size as my living room.

You can get a better deal than that though, I'm sure.

Quote: (09-21-2013 12:22 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Great info on Korea and Taiwan,

It's odd, I've always had fairly positive experiences with Korean students living abroad. Especially the Koreans studying or traveling here in Japan have been incredibly outgoing and friendly, always inviting me to hang out with them and whatnot. I even remember an occasion where a Korean guy, after finding out I can read hangeul, jokingly said I should get a Korean girlfriend (was likely just kidding), while two other Korean friends of mine in Osaka said I'd kill it in Korea, saying the girls are into White guys (though I've learned to take all claims like that with a bit of salt, of course). Maybe Koreans act differently abroad, or could it be that people from Seoul are particularly unfriendly towards foreigners???

Oh they are friendly on the outside. Especially young Korean guys, they are VERY friendly! Honestly, nearly every day in Ulsan (Korea) I was called handsome by someone. It might have been a passer-by, the woman at the Kimbap kitchen, the old man at 7-11, one of my students, the toothless old woman selling fried beetles. Nearly every day! They are super friendly, providing you don't approach 'their women'. If you do that, they will gently begin the "No no, you are a foreigner here, this is how things go in Korea" routine to make you stop doing it.

On my first day, when I got off the bus and met my boss and his daughter, the first thing his daughter said was "you look tired, but you look handsome". This shows the CONTEXT of what this means when a Korean person calls you handsome or whatever. It's just done to be polite. They're told to say that. People who resemble gargoyles are called 'handsome'. Just a weird cultural thing, they're told to say that to any white guy there. The pip-headed bald Irish guy with no chin who worked at the school down the road was always called 'handsome' by his students.

This weird cultural phenomenon became a running joke among me and my friend. Once we were outside a club and a Korean guy came up to us and started talking to us. (As they always do, if you go out, at some point in the night, a young Korean man WILL approach you and tell you how handsome you are). The Korean man predictably said "wow, girls must love you, Korean girls love white guys". My friend responded with "NO! no they don't!", after five months of exasperation at their prude nature, flakiness and social conformity.

I love the friendliness of Korean guys, but they do not want you to get laid with 'their women' haha.

(Also just to note, your information on learning game in China is great. I think we started off nearly identically in game haha, if we're ever in the same country we need to meet-up).

Quote: (09-22-2013 03:06 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  

I met a Korean guy here in Bangkok who told me if I went to teach English in Seoul (it was a topic being discussed in my guesthouse at the time) that by being a teacher, I would be regarded as at the highest level in Asian society. As a result of this, and because I was white, girls would be falling over themselves to date me.

He then told me that as a teacher, and holding such a lofty position that I must promise him I would not abuse my power and never date these girls!

PS - Leighton, I PM'd you for some info on rents and cost of living but it seems there's a lot of interest here to hear the facts about Taipei so feel free to share them in this thread.

Haha, he really said that? :O.

Korean girls are very superficial, they will only date a Samsung employee. Taiwanese girls don't care as much if you're an English teacher.

An English teacher here earns the same salary as a university-educated office worker. The girl I was dating was on two-thirds of my salary, despite working double my hours at a big insurance company. As a 22 year-old English teacher, I earn more than some of the 40 year-old fathers who drop their kids off at my school. It's weird. (And it is very unfair actually. Being a western male means you have life on the 'easy' difficulty usually).

Taiwan is a rich economy, but it does not filter down to the proletariat. This is great for English teachers though, as it's not a completely embarrassing profession here. In my experience, it DHV's more than just being a foreign Mandarin student here

In terms of cost of living, Vendetta, I'd say that Taipei is generally about twice the price of Bangkok for general items (food, drink, club entry etc). For rent, it's about 1.5 times the price. Street food in Bangok is about 40NT. In Taipei it's about 80NT. Club entry in Bangkok is about 300-400NT. Here it's 700NT. About double the price is a good rule of thumb (I was on holiday in Bangkok two months ago).

Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Yep, they have the reputation as backpacking losers with yellow fever who could only work in McDonalds back home. I have to work upwards against a big gradient. (Though it's not as bad in Taipei). Many girls I've talked to think that guys only teach English here because Taiwanese girls are easy. As a result, they can be wary of your intentions, they don't want to seem 'easy' in front of their friends.

It can be a blessing in disguise, though. Girls see 'whack'-looking white guys all the time. With a bit of style, you can distance yourself astronomically far away from them, and make yourself seem like the 'shiny one'.

Quote: (09-22-2013 12:38 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Haha. When I was trying to meet Chinese women online, one of them asked me what my job in China would be. I told her "English teacher," and she stopped responding.

I've heard they have an even worse rep in Korea and Japan. I would not brag about being one there, that's for sure.

I edited this post a little bit b/c I had not seen Leighton's post in my earlier edition.

I keep gathering that probably times have changed in Korea, since i was there in 1996, and I was teaching English in a private school (mostly in the mornings and evenings to younger people in their mid-20s) (i was slightly older than my average students in the private schools - though there were all ages, really).

I was there in Seoul in the Kagnam area for 6 months, and while there, I thought that I was very respected by my students. I really did not believe that they were faking the respect towards me as an English teacher.
I do not disagree with Leighton that this may be so extremely faked that everyone says these kinds of thing b/c certainly, there was a common pattern of many of these nice things being said to me.. and sometimes, the substance was not really there - so in that regard, it just seemed like nice words.


Additionally, for several months, in the middle of the week, I would teach English at a large well to do company for a couple of hours each session to high executives in the company (it was actually a big steel company), and these male executives seemed to be very respectful of me as well and always had a lot of polite questions and polite ways of interacting with me. Those guys were in their 30s, 40s and 50s.


I also did some private tutoring in and around Seoul at the homes of various individuals, many times women in their 30s wanted me to teach their kids, and some times some of my students wanted "extra sessions" on the side, and a similar scenario about respect and deference... .although frequently, it seemed that i was being hit on when women were involved, and a paid session would frequently end up that they would take me to the theatre or out to eat or something other than teaching English.

When a young attractive Korean woman was involved in escorting me around, she would frequently be more self-conscious about the fact that we were together b/c of the negative stares. The older women would genuinely seemed quite proud of their escorting me and treating me.

Of course older Koreans on the street would stare at me, and they would stare even harder with evil expressions if I was accompanied by a young attractive Korean female.

I have heard various explanations on this forum about maybe the exotic factor has worn off in Korea for westerners in the past 10 years or so and that these days, the market and the streets in Korea may be more flooded with English teachers. Also, maybe the economy has gotten better as well, and I have seen several explanations that these days Korean men have more game than they had years ago.

On the contrary, I have also seen some competing explanations that some Korean women may still desire western men b/c they want to escape some of the negative characteristics and domineering nature of Korean men. I do not discount this dynamic b/c from what I understand, Korea still remains a quite homogenous, without a lot of diversity in the population. This dynamic has to play some role in how the Korean women interact with westerners and in some instances, they may consider westerners as a vehicle to escape. But maybe that is not a majority of women, especially if they perceive some economic prosperity in a future Korea, in their perceptions of themselves in Korean society.

I do appreciate Leighton's description of the A, B and Cs, and his other examples and explanations b/c that also does not seem to contradict my experiences - even though times are changing, there seems to be some parallels to my memory of dynamics of different women being more receptive than others.

I am kind of thinking that I need to visit Korea again for myself to verify the situation - however, I am more than 15 years older, so that could change the nature of the interactions, and some of the detailed explanations on this thread make me begin to think that it may not even be worth the expense of the plane ticket.... I am still pondering over this.

Currently, I am considering some SEA travels between February and June 2014 - and at this time, I am not sure whether Korea will make it into my travel itinerary in this round. Currently, I am not giving too much consideration to engaging in any kind of work, but I would not necessarily turn down various money-making opportunities if I were to run across such.

Quote: (09-20-2013 09:59 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

Quote: (09-20-2013 09:31 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

This kind of ties in with my earlier thread, since I'm also contemplating where to head after my stay in Osaka comes to an end next year. Part of me wants to remain in Japan to get more acquainted with the culture and language, while the other part of me would like to check out Taiwan, which I'm curious about and which would be good for keeping my Mandarin in good shape (right now, I'm leaning more towaards Japan, despite what I mentioned above).

Blackstock, how would you say Taipei compares to the above mentioned places in terms of a.) ease of slaying the locals and b.) quality of women?

b) The quality of women is better in Korea, mainly due to their love of cosmetic surgery. I think like half of women have it there or something crazy. Good luck trying to slay Korean women though. A quick search of this forum finds that not many people have had much luck there. You need a Korean face and Korean language skills. Koreans don't mix with non-Koreans. (Though I sucked with game back then, so take this with a pinch of salt.)

Taiwanese girls are a good runner-up though. Sometimes I walk around Zongxiao Dunghua and fall in love every minute. Long black hair, tight dresses and great legs. Taiwanese girls are beautiful.

a) Well, I've posted this recently in another thread, and I apologize to anyone who thinks I'm just saying this to massage my online ego.

You're speaking to a beginner. I arrived here in April, and that's when i stared learning game. Since then I've slain nine Taiwanese girls. (Note: I was out of the country for one month when I went to Thailand/Cambodia on holiday).

I have learnt everything here by being my own human guinea pig. I role solo 100% of the time and I have improved exponentially. Tonight I'm trying to get my fourth ONS in as many outings.

The expat bars are easy, though the cock-blocking is fierce. Four of my bags have been from these establishments. These are the places to go if you want that 'hoiday flag'

The high-end clubs are comparatively tough. But, if you show that you are cooler than the douchey foreigners here who dress badly and teach English, then Taiwanese girls will put out, unlike their prude Korean counterparts.

I'm a beginner with game, if I can do it, you can too.

I disagree with this a bit.

It depends on how you define "quality." Korea has more money than Taiwan and the society in general is more materialistic. Women in Korea dress better. Nearly every girl there rocks heels ALL THE TIME. It's amazing.

That said, Korean girls tend to be a bit taller, are less direct, and more sexually reserved than Taiwanese girls. I think Korean have better legs, but there are some incredibly women in Taiwan.

The girls in this video are club dancers, but IMO if you're not an obvious weirdo trying to get laid in Asia, you can find that quality around NTNU. They won't be dressed like that though. And they'll probably have glasses and need a bit of guidance in the bedroom.






Also...I think that's my favorite Harlem Shake video, ever.

Can't say enough good things about Taiwan, but I stress: You're not going to pull talent there if you're life and game aren't that together. I stress this because I've meet a several members from here who were leagues off from what they posted in the game section of this forum. Not trying to sound like a dick, but it was a stark contrast.

Now, I didn't smash a Korean girl in Korea. I played tourist most of the time, engorged on delicious food, and got drunk. A lot. That said, I made out with plenty of Korean girls, but was more concerned with enjoying my time with a number of friends I had and made there than I was about getting the flag. I know that's high priority for many people on here, but most of my entire trip was decompressing and partying.

Now, keep in mind...I'm 6'4 (6'5 according to the last doctor, but I'm on the fence) and above average looks. I wasn't trying to be incredibly fashionable, had no suit, and was generally not giving a fuck about anything. This will leave 80% of the 8-10 range out of reach, especially of you have no Korean. All the Korean I made out with were 7-8 and spoke some level of English. That being said, the foreigners here--mainly US and Canada--are unreal. It's a joke. And because of this, Korean women generally have a bad impression of western men. Add all of the ridiculous army assholes here and it's easy to see why they aren't that down with the western D.

You need to represent some kind of status to a Korean woman. It's not that different than in the US. Differentiate yourself and don't be overly concerned with pulling a woman. With the right attire and mindset, I'm more than positive I could've smashed out 2-3 with some effort. Game and logistics depend on time until bang. If you're not an English teacher, you're instantly higher value. Again, I cannot impress enough how deplorable the white man is here. It has to be seen...

If your shit isn't together, you're not going to show up and fool some Korean girl into believing you're the real deal. Not going to happen.

The closing game here tends to be indirect, meaning rather than let's head to my hotel/apt/condo and grab a drink, you should smile and say "maybe we should go back to my place and grab a drink?"

If she's into what you're serving, you should be good. Large groups of females may be an issue, as the girl doesn't want to be judged by her friends, unless you can impress them all.

If they all think you're attractive, you're in. I had girls get mad at me because I wasn't paying enough attention to their friend, but I was doing cooler shit anyway.

I also noticed a few dudes who were dressed well lose out on a potential smash because they spent too much time focusing on one girl. Having a friend here and being genuinely interested in what else is going on is a tremendous advantage.

Again, if you're not at a certain level, it's going to impede your chances. Being the last spot in the journey probably helped without my knowing. Guys looking for the Korean bang are obvious to me and most of the good looking women here.

This is turning into a bit of a rant, but if you want to nail hot Koreans, come here, enjoy yourself, and don't work too hard for it. If your primary goal is Korean pussy, they'll smell you before you exit the plane at Incheon.

I don't think 1 week will cut it here. 2 is probably the minimum and if you're only here for 2 weeks, I'd pretend like you're going to be here for longer and say you have to handle business in X city the day before you take off. If she asks why you're in a hotel, say you're not that into the apartments you've seen yet because they're not up to X standard. Having one go around with you to "scope a few apartments" is probably a solid groundwork tactic too and should prime the pump.

Oddly enough this thread has now become a lot more relevant to my current situation than it once was.

This week I have realised that I know every venue here like the back of my hand. I know the places for the 'easy bang' and the places for the 'better quality girls' (who are still open to a westerner). I have not SLAYED it here and I could CERTAINLY improve my total by sticking around and trying to score better quality girls than my steady flow of 7's and the occasional 7.5. Additionally, I could vastly improve my total if I dropped down and accepted 6's (which I maintain that I've only done once for the initial flag). And maybe I could add a couple more if I had a modicum of patience with online game (Although this is all JUST speculation).

I have to admit, it's starting to get a bit repetitive being here, despite my absolute love of the place. I think I have at last found the one big downside of this city, and it's only fair to share it with you guys for the sake of balance.

After five months of hitting it hard, Taipei has started to become a bit small, and a little too familiar. I couldn't be bothered to go out tonight, even though the chances of a ONS from Luxy were somewhat reasonable. After a while, you see the same faces, and the same faces see you.

Maybe this is just a phenomenon that I would find in any place. I have previously only lived in one city abroad (Ulsan, Korea, for seven months), and at 22 I'm pretty young and perhaps a lot more immature than the other posters on this thread. So maybe I have an uncommon 'anti-inertia' and an unquenchable desire to change country every six months. I am sure of one thing though: I absolutely hate routine.

I kinda want to leave this place 'on a high' (or at least at a reasonably good 'point of saturation'). There are many countries out there and I think it might be time to move on, in the pursuit of a new flavour.

With this said, I'm looking into Mainland China, mainly due to the ease of moving there. The forum doesn't have a specific thread on China vs Taiwan, so I would greatly appreciate any advice from someone who has been to both. (Even if it's negative!)

Ditto, i'd like to hear some information on China too. Most of the information i've heard comes from Shanghai or Beijing, neither of which i'm that interested in.

A lot of nice "livable" places seem like the smaller southwestern cities that avoid the cloud of smog draped across the country. Not to mention a huge drop in cost of living. Xiamen, Kunming, Nanning, etc.

Leighton, sounds cool man. A few months in one place is a pretty cool immersion to have had, you won't regret choosing somewhere new if you go somewhere that really appeals. Thanks for the great info so far.

China could be cool, especially since you can hit the ground running with Mandarin. If you go, would love to hear your thoughts on the cultural contrast with Taiwan.

What about somewhere exotic? Cambodia, Indonesia, maybe even Mongolia? Could be cool to check somewhere with a bit more of an edge.

Leighton, sounds cool man. A few months in one place is a pretty cool immersion to have had, you won't regret choosing somewhere new if you go somewhere that really appeals.

China could be cool, especially since you can hit the ground running with Mandarin. If you go, would love to hear your thoughts on the cultural contrast with Taiwan.

What about somewhere exotic? Cambodia, Indonesia, maybe even Mongolia? Could be cool to check somewhere with a bit more of an edge.

Quote: (09-29-2013 10:10 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

Leighton, sounds cool man. A few months in one place is a pretty cool immersion to have had, you won't regret choosing somewhere new if you go somewhere that really appeals. Thanks for the great info so far.

China could be cool, especially since you can hit the ground running with Mandarin. If you go, would love to hear your thoughts on the cultural contrast with Taiwan.

What about somewhere exotic? Cambodia, Indonesia, maybe even Mongolia? Could be cool to check somewhere with a bit more of an edge.

Been to Indonesia, enjoyed it but it was not _too_ exotic. Would love to visit Mongolia.

Miss World 2013 contestants:
http://www.missworld.com/Contestants/Mongolia/

Went out with Leighton 2 days ago in Taipei. Pretty cool guy, very outgoing, fun and cool to hang out with. The club was loud as hell and that was a downer for me, it still was a cool night out though.

If all the clubs are this loud I'm sticking to day game! Lots of hot girls during the day.

Quote: (09-22-2013 12:38 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Haha. When I was trying to meet Chinese women online, one of them asked me what my job in China would be. I told her "English teacher," and she stopped responding.

I've heard they have an even worse rep in Japan.

False.

Ok maybe not in China/Korea but I've never been to those places. Also yes There are a bit of just weird white dudes in Japan, but there are also a lot of cool ones as well. I have heard about the western dudes in Korea and Thailand. . .so maybe that's different.

It doesn't matter what job you have in Japan, that's just something that bitter/angry white guys invling in those countries say on forums. I tested it out; tried out lying about my job, to deflecting my job, to just saying "I teach English" and not giving a fuck.

sorry to say but that doesn't matter. The myth that women care about your job is nothing but a lie spread by angry white/weird dudes living there trying to rationalize why one or two girls didn't like them(which doesn't matter one bit when theres a million more that do like them but they aren't seeing it) OR they saw a couple ads by 35-40+year old women who have ridden the "English teacher" cock carusel in their teens and twenties and want to find a husband with money/hamsterizing her past experiences etc etc. . . The fact of the matter is especially in Japan is EVERONE pretty much has a crappy job that doesn't pay much at all, They think more about that then care what you do for work. In fact some people actaully think it's kind of cool that you teach English(younger ones especially) . . .yeah they may want to leech some free lessons off of you. . .which consists of them trying to speak to you in English. . .but if you are in a social setting anyway, you might as well speak to them in English if they can understand it.

Yes there are exceptions to the rule. . .there always is. You may every once in a while see an online personal ad the says "no english teacher" but:

1) you really should disregard anything a women says on the internet (meaning you can skip reading profiles)

2)You should really disregard anything men say on message boards/forums in Japan (ESPECIALLY gaijin pot) or about Japan on other vanilla sites. there is a LOT of self hate that a lot of the white guys living in Japan have for themselves, and other guys they see who are actually getting laid. . .THEY are the ones that say "teaching English is a low class thing, they have bad rep etc etc etc" A lot of them are angry, bitter, and have nothing going for them and do nothign about that fact. It's a big mess over there. Personally I stay away from other foreigners outside of the workplace unless they are either: a)really cool, or b)really successful(a rarity but I know like two people like this) and neither of these guys post on forums saying shit like this(I make sure of that)

3)Women like that(the "No English Teacher women") are looking for sugar daddies to take care of them. The only game that works with those women is the "flash your money in their face" game. ignore those women. As I mentioned before, a lot of these women are in their mid 30's-40's and have ridden the English Teacher cock carousel, or have stayed in the the U.S. too long and got Westernized. (That is the worst kind of woman. . .stay FAAAR away from westernized Japanese girls in their late 20's-death)

3) You shouldn't be chasing women over 26 in Japan. definately not over 30 unless she's just a fb. . .or really wants to get into your pants and makes it easy (happens a lot) in which case she doesn't care what job you work at, you could be a dumpster diver for all she cares.

One of the hottest girls I banged out there was a solid 9, 20 year old that came up to me at a club. She worked at some toy assembly plant out in bumfuck nowhere land Saitama. She DID NOT CARE what I did for a living. She just came over, enjoyed spending time with me and enjoyed the bang.

I've met tons of girls online that just did not care.

So yeah, the whole myth that "English Teachers are low class trash and can't get laid" needs to stop on this forum. Bringing that low energy here when it's totally not true at all should be kept for the blue pill forums.

Also in Japan if you speak Japanese, You are +1000000000 DHV anyway, some argue otherwise but overall you are your language skills along with how you dress overcome pretty much any imaginary "Bad Reputation" that people tell you exists, but really doesn't.

Stay away from people that tell you otherwise. Japan==Korea, China, "Asia" etc etc


Also, Japanese guys have it HARD untill they are around 35-40 and work for a stable company and even then they work the long hour salaryman thing (which has perks but that's another discussion) when they are young, they either go to college and work at some conveinence store getting crapped on by their boss usually or some other menial job, then when they finally get their new job they get trated like crap there as well(all new job employees who get jobs after college are treated somehwat poorly) they simply have no time to hate on Western guys (except for clubs but that's why you go early before all the guys come and then leave when they fill up the club anyway) So yeah. If there are any guys thinking about teaching English there and are afraid of any stupid reputation, Don't a lot of that talk is perpetuated by beta, feminized, blue pill guys anyway.

A lot of the women are also just way too busy to think about "English Teacher Reputation" I have had women Booty Call ME after they were done with work and "drinking with their coworkers" (another part of the job. . .) they just wanted some cock and I was available.

So yeah, If you're a guy on here and you find yourself perpetuating all of that nonsense. . .

stop it.

Quote: (10-03-2013 01:36 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

I've met tons of girls online that just did not care.

So yeah, the whole myth that "English Teachers are low class trash and can't get laid" needs to stop on this forum. Bringing that low energy here when it's totally not true at all should be kept for the blue pill forums.

CJ_W - Very informative post.

Have you noticed how a guy in his 40s or 50s would do in Japan if he wants to hook up with girls in their early 20s? I'm talking about a guy that is in decent shape (no major belly and fairly muscular but probably looks his age, more or less), and of average attraction for his age.

Would this older guy be better playing either day game or night game? Does he need more time to pull off the Bang? Do you see many older westerner dudes with local girls in Japan?

Are there societal pressures that will cockblock the older westerner guys from being able to hook up with Japanese girls in their early 20s?

Of course, I am NOT referring to p4p, but maybe buying her food and drinks.

Quote: (10-03-2013 01:36 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

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Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Haha. When I was trying to meet Chinese women online, one of them asked me what my job in China would be. I told her "English teacher," and she stopped responding.

I've heard they have an even worse rep in Japan.

So yeah, the whole myth that "English Teachers are low class trash and can't get laid" needs to stop on this forum. Bringing that low energy here when it's totally not true at all should be kept for the blue pill forums.

That's so refreshing to hear. I'm in college now and I have been interested in going over to Asia to teach English for some time now, and I would say that I got a little bit taken back as to what some guys have been posting on here about English teachers being trash and low value. A good friend of mine from Guanzhou, China told me that teaching English in China is actually seen by Chinese as being in the top bracket of the economic spectrum. The average Chinese makes about 10,000 RMB a year. An English teacher can easily make that in a month with salaries ranging from 10,000 to 12,000 RMB a month, and top that with reimbursed airfare and free housing, an English teacher is living like a King compared to the average Chinese person. Even the most educated Chinese guy with a Masters in Engineering, who goes to America for Exchange will be lucky to Make 8,000 RMB a month when he graduates and will most likely settle for 6,000 RMB a month, which is almost half of what a teacher can make.

This is the case with China based on what a friend from there told me and my own research. I'm not sure about Japan or Korea or Taiwan. But I once told a Japanese friend about the idea of teaching English in Japan and he was amazed at the salaries and benefits and told me "Man! you should definitely do that immediately!" So I'm not really sure where the English teacher hate comes from as displayed on the forum. Thanks CJ_W for calling it out.

Quote: (10-03-2013 01:36 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

So yeah, the whole myth that "English Teachers are low class trash and can't get laid" needs to stop on this forum. Bringing that low energy here when it's totally not true at all should be kept for the blue pill forums.

You are right. English teachers can definitely get laid in Japan. The fact that a teaching job gives you more free time than other jobs is a huge plus in my opinion. Japanese salarymen making 3x the salary don't even have time to hit on girls.

That said, most English teachers in Japan are broke and live in shitty gaijin accommodation so it's a small DLV but yeah, YOUNG Japanese girls don't give a shit about your job. They just want to bang cool guys. Game and language skills trump your job here. End of story.

Quote: (10-03-2013 03:03 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Are there societal pressures that will cockblock the older westerner guys from being able to hook up with Japanese girls in their early 20s?

Not really. Japan has a long tradition of older guys dating younger girls. Go to Ginza and you will see tons of Japanese couples like this. I have a friend in his 50s who pulls hot Japanese girls but bear in mind that his Japanese is fluent and his game is solid.

If you're an "older guy" you'd better have cash though because you will be expected to pay for dates. Hell, I'm in my late 20s and most younger girls expect me to pay (not that I always do but that's for another thread)! If you are 20-30 years older, it'd just be weird to split the bill here.

Some great stuff here, I generally agree with a lot of CJ_W's and Midwest's points. But I'll add some clarity to my own. I think I put across my points better in my Taipei datasheet than I did on this thread.

First of all, I can - and only ever do - speak with authority on Taipei and Ulsan (Korea). I have no idea about Japan, China or Thailand. I implore others to make sure that they only speak with authority on countries that they have experienced for more than a month. (I personally always ignore information from someone who has had a week holiday in Roppongi/Itaewon/Sukhumvit).

In Taipei, being an English teacher is a profession which is absolutely not a DLV. I earn 58,000NT a month here. A university-educated Insurance worker I was dating was on only 40,000NT, despite her longer hours. And a 27 year-old who worked in a clothes shop was on just 30,000NT, despite her hours being nearly double mine.

Here, you will nearly always have a salary which is higher than the girls you meet. You are pretty high up in the social hierarchy here. Your job is no excuse.

The only problem, is that a lot of the other foreigners here are Beta douchebags; with drunk and sloppy game, and terrible dress sense. A lot of them don't have much going on in their life, they just happen to teach English. An irrational stereotype can develop for all westerners here, hence you need to make sure that you're not grouped in with it.

Though with a bit of style and game, it's easy as piss haha.

In Korea though (Especially outside of Seoul, where I lived), you have a very Confucianist society. Being an English teacher/Foreigner doesn't put you very high up in that hierarchy. You need to set yourself out from the rest, like in Taipei, but in Korea it's A LOT harder.

Quote: (10-29-2013 12:12 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

Quote: (10-03-2013 01:36 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2013 12:38 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Quote: (09-22-2013 10:46 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I don't think English teachers fall into the same category as other teachers unless you teach at university level. They don't really have the best reputations in Asia

Haha. When I was trying to meet Chinese women online, one of them asked me what my job in China would be. I told her "English teacher," and she stopped responding.

I've heard they have an even worse rep in Japan.

So yeah, the whole myth that "English Teachers are low class trash and can't get laid" needs to stop on this forum. Bringing that low energy here when it's totally not true at all should be kept for the blue pill forums.

That's so refreshing to hear. I'm in college now and I have been interested in going over to Asia to teach English for some time now, and I would say that I got a little bit taken back as to what some guys have been posting on here about English teachers being trash and low value. A good friend of mine from Guanzhou, China told me that teaching English in China is actually seen by Chinese as being in the top bracket of the economic spectrum. The average Chinese makes about 10,000 RMB a year. An English teacher can easily make that in a month with salaries ranging from 10,000 to 12,000 RMB a month, and top that with reimbursed airfare and free housing, an English teacher is living like a King compared to the average Chinese person. Even the most educated Chinese guy with a Masters in Engineering, who goes to America for Exchange will be lucky to Make 8,000 RMB a month when he graduates and will most likely settle for 6,000 RMB a month, which is almost half of what a teacher can make.

This is the case with China based on what a friend from there told me and my own research. I'm not sure about Japan or Korea or Taiwan. But I once told a Japanese friend about the idea of teaching English in Japan and he was amazed at the salaries and benefits and told me "Man! you should definitely do that immediately!" So I'm not really sure where the English teacher hate comes from as displayed on the forum. Thanks CJ_W for calling it out.

1. Nobody said they can't get laid. at all. there's a difference between "English teaching is not the most respected job" and "you'll be a leper that people won't want to touch."
2. A teacher is not in the highest income bracket. It's probably the richest not rich person job in China. The average Chinese person pulls in a couple thousand kuai a year, but the elite are on a whole nother level. Seriously.
3. In my experience, yes there is some English teacher hate coming from non English teaching foreigners. I think a big thing has to do with the perception that it's easy, almost anyone can do it, and most don't seem to take their job remotely seriously. There's a "you're here to drink and screw around for a few years, I'm here for a very long time, at least don't try to tell me about the superficial bullshit culture you think you understand."

It's a mixed bag, some are really cool, some are assholes, some are just really weird.

Quote: (10-29-2013 05:16 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I think a big thing has to do with the perception that it's easy, almost anyone can do it, and most don't seem to take their job remotely seriously. There's a "you're here to drink and screw around for a few years...

Are you saying this perception isn't accurate?

Drinking and screwing around in Asia for a few years sound like good enough goals to me...

Edit: In my experience, most of the hate comes from the teachers themselves. Just check out any of the Japan/Korea forums with teachers on them. They make MRA's look cool.

Nice thread here. I'm glad to see some people finally talking some sense about teaching English in Asia.

No, you won't be pulling the top 0.5% of chicks as an English teacher in Asia but neither would you if you were a middle manager or bank employee in the US or Europe. That's the pro athlete/celebrity/multi-millionaire category.

No reason to hate on teachers for that. I seriously doubt there is anyone on this board pulling from that category with any hint of consistency.

The truth is, you won't be in need for good quality pussy in Asia as a foreigner as long as you look somewhat normal, have decent hygiene, aren't overweight, dress neatly, have a friendly personality, and make an effort to talk to girls. Add a hint of that player "killer instinct" and that's basically all you need. Be a good looking, in-shape guy with some personality and thick skin and you'll thrive.

I would wager most on this board would probably be thrilled with a soft harem of 6s, 7s, and 8s. Asia is good for that. Mix in some 9s once in a while and you've got a good hunting ground.

I've written this on other threads but I'll repeat it here:

There is decent money to be made in teaching once you know what you're doing and where to go. I'm in SH, China right now and cleared just over 36,000 RMB for October after tax (USD $5921.05 at the current exchange), full medical, housing, all meals, and +3 months of paid vacation. It's there if you know how to go about it and are ready to work a little bit.

I would have to make $115,000 per year in California to have that kind of take home pay. Then I'd have to turn around and burn it on car expenses, rent & utilities, food, etc. Throw expensive night life into the mix and I wouldn't be saving nearly as much as I will this year. I'd also have to worry about DUIs and spending all my time stuck in traffic on the freeway. Fuck that.

No reason to keep hating on teaching in Asia. It's a decent lifestyle with ample vacation, travel opportunities, low overheads, low taxes, jobs in cheap places, and access to quality pussy. Also, if you royally fuck up and get let go from a position, you'll be able to find another within a few days.

Most stories you hear are from people who only do it for a year or 2 and never make it to the next career plateau. You just gotta know how to work the system. The thing is, this is a system that most don't know much about.

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:03 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

I'm in SH, China right now and cleared just over 36,000 RMB for October after tax (USD $5921.05 at the current exchange), full medical, housing, all meals, and +3 months of paid vacation. It's there if you know how to go about it and are ready to work a little bit.

Almost $6k in a month from teaching in China? Dude that is amazing. I don't know anyone, not even one person in Japan pulling that from a teaching job and that is including university gigs! China is really booming for English education then? Please could you describe how you achieved this?

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:03 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

No reason to keep hating on teaching in Asia. It's a decent lifestyle with ample vacation, travel opportunities, low overheads, low taxes, jobs in cheap places, and access to quality pussy. Also, if you royally fuck up and get let go from a position, you'll be able to find another within a few days.

Seriously sign me up already.

You can also very comfortably change country every six months (or so) when you get bored of a place. I personally love that it's 'not a serious job' as you don't have to worry about 'building up a professional CV' and you're not anchored to the ground.

Hell, even if your resume looks iffy, you could probably just make fake (and gleaming) references as a last resort. A boss in China won't know the difference if it's from Mr Kim's English school in Seoul. It's a profession which can be exploited for your personal gain, if that's what you wish to do. (Not necessarily advocating this, but I may as well put it out there hehe).

Securing a good job also usually has more to do with 'luck' than anything. You could slave it for five years in Korea and get an amazing reference which documents your loyalty. But you could then move to Vietnam and be beaten by a clever kid with no experience who has found the 'pudding job' before you even opened the newspaper. (Is that even a saying?)

My advice is to anyone is to always interview in a suit and tie, and to use a clear accent. That'll put you ahead of a lot of people on it's own, amazingly. But the biggest piece of advice is to get 'street smart'. (I.e, in Taipei, you've got to hunt for the foreigner-run schools which prepare kids for Cambridge exams, those are the good gigs). (In Korea, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, is all I will say haha). You don't have to worry too much about anything else.

Teaching in Asia should be considered more seriously as an option in the 'location independent' lifestyle thread I think.

Some of the jobs are very stress-free for the money you make, and can provide a better deal than some of the options I've seen, especially if the country is Korea/Taiwan/Japan. I only teach 11 hours a week and all the lesson plans are pre-made. I also get six weeks holiday (though jdreise's deal kicks my arse).

I'm moving to a new country in December. Was thinking of trying Bangkok, but Vietnam and China are options. I hope to add a reconnaissance report.

Actually, I'm just thinking:

A lot of the English teachers who moan about English teaching as a profession, and how non-serious it is, are the people who take life way too seriously.

There are plenty of older guys out here treating it with the seriousness of an office-cubicle job. They need to lighten up.

A lot of these guys resent the younger people who walk into good gigs and go out to drink a lot. They think that they shouldn't be doing this .

I chose this because I want to live in a hot country, drink as much as I did at university and have sex with girls from around the world. It was the easiest option for doing so, as I'm a massive lazy bastard.

(Though I will note. I actually do enjoy teaching and take it seriously when I'm in the classroom. I MUCH prefer it to the Engineering job I had in England. [I used to fold A0 sheets of paper for hours as they realised I was pretty stupid]. Plus I could probably teach a lot of the older guys in Taipei about how to discipline students without ever having to raise your voice or act like Bozo the fucking clown).

Just my two cents though, I'm much more immature than a lot of the posters on here, and I'm merely just giving my outlook. Everyone has a different input, and it's all valuable to the forum in my opinion .

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:03 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

Nice thread here. I'm glad to see some people finally talking some sense about teaching English in Asia.

No, you won't be pulling the top 0.5% of chicks as an English teacher in Asia but neither would you if you were a middle manager or bank employee in the US or Europe. That's the pro athlete/celebrity/multi-millionaire category.

No reason to hate on teachers for that. I seriously doubt there is anyone on this board pulling from that category with any hint of consistency.

The truth is, you won't be in need for good quality pussy in Asia as a foreigner as long as you look somewhat normal, have decent hygiene, aren't overweight, dress neatly, have a friendly personality, and make an effort to talk to girls. Add a hint of that player "killer instinct" and that's basically all you need. Be a good looking, in-shape guy with some personality and thick skin and you'll thrive.

I would wager most on this board would probably be thrilled with a soft harem of 6s, 7s, and 8s. Asia is good for that. Mix in some 9s once in a while and you've got a good hunting ground.

I've written this on other threads but I'll repeat it here:

There is decent money to be made in teaching once you know what you're doing and where to go. I'm in SH, China right now and cleared just over 36,000 RMB for October after tax (USD $5921.05 at the current exchange), full medical, housing, all meals, and +3 months of paid vacation. It's there if you know how to go about it and are ready to work a little bit.

I would have to make $115,000 per year in California to have that kind of take home pay. Then I'd have to turn around and burn it on car expenses, rent & utilities, food, etc. Throw expensive night life into the mix and I wouldn't be saving nearly as much as I will this year. I'd also have to worry about DUIs and spending all my time stuck in traffic on the freeway. Fuck that.

No reason to keep hating on teaching in Asia. It's a decent lifestyle with ample vacation, travel opportunities, low overheads, low taxes, jobs in cheap places, and access to quality pussy. Also, if you royally fuck up and get let go from a position, you'll be able to find another within a few days.

Most stories you hear are from people who only do it for a year or 2 and never make it to the next career plateau. You just gotta know how to work the system. The thing is, this is a system that most don't know much about.

I take it you have a bachelor's degree or master's?

Do you know how easy it is still to get an ESL gig without a degree there? I've read they don't give out work visas as easily anymore, and that you don't really want to work on a tourist visa because you'll basically become your employer's bitch. They can rip you off at any time and report you to the gov't if you complain.

I'm about a year away from getting a degree, but I wouldn't mind working there for a summer or something.

Quote: (10-29-2013 07:55 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-29-2013 05:16 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

I think a big thing has to do with the perception that it's easy, almost anyone can do it, and most don't seem to take their job remotely seriously. There's a "you're here to drink and screw around for a few years...

Are you saying this perception isn't accurate?

Drinking and screwing around in Asia for a few years sound like good enough goals to me...

Edit: In my experience, most of the hate comes from the teachers themselves. Just check out any of the Japan/Korea forums with teachers on them. They make MRA's look cool.

in my limited teaching experience, it is fairly easy, I was more trying to compare it to Latin American immigrants who have adjusted to America probably get a little pissy around the guy who can't speak a word of English. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than a guy who makes me wait ten minutes in subway because he can't read a single thing on the menu despite being here for 6 months.

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:22 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:03 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

I'm in SH, China right now and cleared just over 36,000 RMB for October after tax (USD $5921.05 at the current exchange), full medical, housing, all meals, and +3 months of paid vacation. It's there if you know how to go about it and are ready to work a little bit.

Almost $6k in a month from teaching in China? Dude that is amazing. I don't know anyone, not even one person in Japan pulling that from a teaching job and that is including university gigs! China is really booming for English education then? Please could you describe how you achieved this?

Quote: (10-30-2013 09:03 AM)jdreise Wrote:  

No reason to keep hating on teaching in Asia. It's a decent lifestyle with ample vacation, travel opportunities, low overheads, low taxes, jobs in cheap places, and access to quality pussy. Also, if you royally fuck up and get let go from a position, you'll be able to find another within a few days.

Seriously sign me up already.

In short, yes, this is the best time to be teaching in China. Salaries are steadily rising and the RMB is continuing to gain on the dollar. I remember about 3 years ago, looking at posted salaries and telling myself "No way I'd work in China for that low of a salary." That's not the case now. Get in while the gettin' is good.

A minute after I posted the previous post on this thread I saw there were 2 users and 16 guests browsing. I don't really feel like putting up what equate to "trade secrets" out there for people who don't contribute to the forum.

PM me and I'll give you the rundown on how to make more than $5k per month teaching in China. It's not really that difficult or complicated but it takes a little planning and effort.

IMO the main drawback to this part of China is the comparatively low quality of the women. (I'm going to contradict my statement above about 6s, 7s, and 8s here, I know) I AM attracted to Asian women but Shanghainese chicks just really don't do it for me. I don't like their facial structure, there's lots of chubbiness (not obesity), poor complexions, and they dress poorly. Whatever tribe was here 2,500 years ago when the Han united the country didn't get the attractive genes.

In Shanghai, I think it's better to focus on the large contingent of foreign chicks. You can pick up some of the cuter Chinese girls if/when you want.

I've lived in Korea and Thailand and had a great time with the girls there. Tons of hotties in those two countries.

I don't know what women are like in Taiwan but if they look similar to Shanghai then I'd consider somewhere else if you're just looking for access to pussy. Teaching salaries are lower in Taiwan but I've seen pictures of the island and it looks beautiful. I've heard the people are more worldly, "normal," and educated than the PRC, however, you'll probably make more money on the mainland. I was thinking about checking it out in August. Until then, I'm no expert.

If you'd like, you can go southwest of Shanghai about 1,000 km and the women are a lot prettier. IMO, the girls are better looking in Hunan, Sichuan, Yunnan, and Guangxi. You'll probably make a little less money down there but the climate, pollution situation, and food are all better. The pollution is really not that bad in Shanghai though.