Quote: (10-20-2013 09:46 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

As I wrote in the Bang Osaka thread (http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21902-...id560523), it might be true that the average Japanese guy is having less sex but don't fool yourself that young girls aren't. That is utter bullshit. The Japanese alphas (rich guys, "ikemen" good lookers and the rare ones with game) are getting laid more than ever.

So it seems that the alpha-beta divide in Japan is much greater than in the Western world. Are you saying that young Japanese girls are giving the poon away to a small group of men, while the frustrated beta masses simply check-out? Even though feminism hasn't taken a hold in that country, there must be some other factors at play that are making this happen. technology? women choosing career over marriage? lack of purpose and ambition as been mentioned above? Either way Japan is a unique case in the world in so many ways that the answer to these developments is also probably unique.

Quote: (10-21-2013 09:53 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-21-2013 12:17 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Lol I like how people make armchair theories about places they don't even know when it comes to game. Anyway, no hard feelings.

Japan is one of the only countries in Asia that was never a colony of western powers. This kind of shit makes a difference. I have never met a Japanese guy pretending to be American. In fact, Japanese (especially girls) who spent a long time abroad were often shunned in Japanese society as "weirdos" or some such nonsense. Happily things have changed but it's still not necessarily cool to be a foreigner. Yes there are groupies like anywhere but on average no, the majority of hot girls couldn't give a shit about you being foreign. I can honestly say I'd get laid more if I looked Japanese.

Great stuff. Thanks for putting it bluntly and dispelling the myth of "white God factor" in Japan.

What you said about top tier women there is bang on and is quite possibly the most frustrating situation I have ever came across in regards to gaming women. Even in places like Sweden or America top tier women feel more attainable than Japan. Friends of mine that have lived there for a long time have hooked up with very hot women, but as you mentioned, it was nearly impossible to date them. Most of them have ended up in LTR with attractive and very solid women. Japanese women are no joke, they are almost perfect LTR material.

But there is the side of the groupie. Some of these women can be pretty hot, but they can also be absolute sewers of disease. There is a joke in Japan that "Japanese birth control is abortion". There are no condoms, no pill and no culture of getting the vag checked unless trying to have a baby.

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Laner knows Japan.
My take on the whole "foreigner" guy thing and getting with the top-tier Japanese girls:

Me, I never worried about it much. It used to bother me in the old days. But then I realized that it's just part of life. Yes, it always gets one's imagination running when you those 9s and 10s on the beaches of Waikiki or Okinawa or the Ginza or wherever. So what? Love the one (or ones!) you're with. A 6 or 7 over there is still light-years better than a spoiled Ameribrat, so don't worry about it. If you want to bang a 9 or 10, play adultery game and do it that way. That way you don't have to deal with her bullshit.

And when you think about it, there are always going to be the "top-tier" 9s or 10s that are going to be inaccessible for the average guy. It's the same in Brazil, but there it's based more on class than race. Very, very difficult to get with the 9s or 10s unless you're plugged into some social circles there.

I just accepted the fact that there was always going to be a "glass ceiling" for me as a foreign guy in Japan. You're allowed to move around within the confines of a a certain box, and no further. Welcome to life. Even expats that have married local women and lived there many years have it. I've got a close friend who lives in Tokyo and has a business there with a Japanese business partner. He married a local girl who I'd say is about an 8. Good family, good upbringing, etc.

But what people forget is that these restrictions apply to all Japanese. Everyone has rules and restrictions on them. You're no different. And the fact that you can't bang or date the really "hot" ones? Yeah, it does hurt a bit, in that it feels like an insult. But that's just the way it is. Much of Japanese kabuki drama themes are about the society strangling the individual.

And don't forget that a lot of this snobbery has much to do with class, rather than race. Japanese society was a feudal society for many centuries, and the social classes and noble families were rigidly separated from the other ranks of society. So, we can't take it too personally.
Accept the fact that you're never going to fit in. And even if you could, would you really want to?

Quote: (10-20-2013 03:06 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

Their porn is so good they're fapping instead of sarging and no real life activity is occurring.

One word: Tentacles

Quote: (10-21-2013 10:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I just accepted the fact that there was always going to be a "glass ceiling" for me as a foreign guy in Japan. You're allowed to move around within the confines of a a certain box, and no further. Welcome to life.

I agree with your sentiment as it's pretty accurate but I refuse to accept my place in the box. Fuck the box. I have a friend who broke the code and pulls quality girls regularly but he really dedicated himself to self-improvement. I may not be there yet, but he is my inspiration.

Quote: (10-21-2013 10:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

And when you think about it, there are always going to be the "top-tier" 9s or 10s that are going to be inaccessible for the average guy. It's the same in Brazil, but there it's based more on class than race. Very, very difficult to get with the 9s or 10s unless you're plugged into some social circles there.

You are right. 9s are very difficult everywhere for the average guy. In Japan, I'd say they are even more difficult. That's why sites like these exist though. So we can become better men than the average guy. I'd say that the first step to better quality is to stop relying on exotic foreigner game and embracing Japanese game.

Quote: (10-21-2013 10:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Accept the fact that you're never going to fit in. And even if you could, would you really want to?

The friend that I mentioned didn't accept this paradigm. He studied and imitated a certain fashion niche, learned the language extremely well and built a real career over here. He is an all-round "classy" guy but make no mistake, none of this was natural. He isn't super good-looking. He worked his way up. He has had the street blowouts and flakiness and learned from it. I'd say my friend is as close to being Japanese as you get without actually giving up your identity and it seems to work for him. I've not seen another foreigner who pulls the quality he does.

Quote: (10-21-2013 10:17 PM)Gemini Wrote:  

So it seems that the alpha-beta divide in Japan is much greater than in the Western world. Are you saying that young Japanese girls are giving the poon away to a small group of men, while the frustrated beta masses simply check-out?

Yes. Japan is a glimpse of where the West is heading. Alphas are monopolizing the quality pussy while the rest of the population retreats to porn, hostess bars and brothels. Betas can marry if they are so inclined but in many cases marriage in Japan is even worse than back home. The wife controls the finances (you get "pocket money" though woohoo!) while men work soul-crushing jobs and have no rights to see their kids after a divorce. But that's for another discussion.

Quote: (10-21-2013 10:17 PM)Gemini Wrote:  

Even though feminism hasn't taken a hold in that country, there must be some other factors at play that are making this happen. technology? women choosing career over marriage? lack of purpose and ambition as been mentioned above? Either way Japan is a unique case in the world in so many ways that the answer to these developments is also probably unique.

All of those things. Plus, there might not be overt feminism in Japan but society has nonetheless been thoroughly feminized. Talk to older Japanese guys and they always complain how the young kids nowadays are complete pussies. White knighting is practically built into the culture but the problem is that Japanese women don't need the providers anymore.

If you want to bang Japanese chicks head to Vancouver. Tons of them and I just read in the paper that ~70% of them prefer to date outside their 'visible ethnic minority'

Quote: (10-22-2013 01:03 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If you want to bang Japanese chicks head to Vancouver. Tons of them and I just read in the paper that ~70% of them prefer to date outside their 'visible ethnic minority'

Yeah, that suggests that this is mostly a social stigma issue.

We see this in the U.S. too. Japanese girls stateside aren't xenophobic at all.

Quote: (10-22-2013 01:03 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If you want to bang Japanese chicks head to Vancouver. Tons of them and I just read in the paper that ~70% of them prefer to date outside their 'visible ethnic minority'

I think it's important to note that Japanese girls (who were born and raised in Japan) are not synonymous with Westerners of Japanese descent.

Quote: (10-20-2013 01:10 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

1. The stifling control and restrictions placed on people as a result of societal rules and etiquette.
2. A deeply pervasive corruption in public and government life where the big companies are in cahoots with the government, and you can't get ahead unless you play ball. The small business owner faces real hurdles.
3. . Too much peace rots away the soul of a people.
4. The increasingly difficult financial costs to raise a family and get along in Japanese society.

So. . . most of this is actually bullshit, same with the article. . .Yes there IS a problem. These points are pretty much the crux of the issue, the rest are bulshit and can be proven wrong just by living there for a couple of years and getting to know people, exlporing shit, traveling around the country etc. . .

the Main issue though is the economy. It's been in the toilet for 30 years, and with the 2008 worldwide economic crisis, Japan was actually hit HARD, hard enough to make people pretty much turn even MORE inward/conservative almost overnight. That and the cost of sex is rediculous. since the economy is crap and Japanese people live with their families untill they get married for the most part, the only place to have sex is a love hotel. Which can cost in upwards of 120-300+ bucks. Add that to the cost of taking a woman out a few times dealing with flakey B.S. Japanese women have gotten notoriously difficult to deal with since 2008. . .and the advent of facebook's popularity due to smart phones becoming the rage there. . .

case in point: Mixi was pretty much the facebook of Japan, and TONS of people used that to hook up with each other, but pretty much since the crash they've pretty much tried their hardest to stop people from meeting each other (failing misrable but yeah it was pretty rediculous)BAsically they were trying to compete with facebook as the iphones were coming in, and facebook has been invading through that avenue.

So with the cost of just HAVING sex being so rediculous, a lot of guys ARE saying "fuck it" and using pocket pussies etc to relieve themselves. . .

BUT

There's a lot that this article misses out on, and that most people don't know unless you actually live there, make freinds with people enouh that they drop that "tatemae" wall and give you the real info on what's going on there.

(I'm not going to go into too much specifics for privacy reasons, but let's just say. . .there's a LOT of sex going on in lots of everyday places that no journalist would ever get close enough to write a silly article about.)

You don't even have to go that far to realize that the VAST MAJORITY of men are. . .men there. Just go to a crowded Tokyo club on a weekend (Club Atom, Club Camelot for starters. . .both in Shibuya, go from 12PM on) There are TONS of dudes on a MISSION to get some sex that night. Most clubs DO NOT allow cameras, for video or otherwise unless the club gives explicit permission. Or its before the club actually opens (I have a few myself but that was before the club opened) But clubs would NEVER allow a journalist to come and video tape a club (for very practical, yet long winded reasons that I wont be going over here. . .I touched on them in previous posts). . .there are a few videos of clubs doin self promotion, but thats only on youtube/other online places that wont get the club in trouble.

The thing they are missing that it's not that guys aren't having sex with women. . .

THEY AREN'T HAVING CHILDREN WITH THEM.

That's pretty much the factors listed in the beginning of this post, with an emphasis on the cost of getting laid. . .it's actually GROSSELY CHEAPER for J guys to go to prostitutes that to date women. Prostitution is by far the largest industry in Japan. . .the only reason why westerners don't know about it, is that 99.9 percent of places dont allow non-Japanese people in(unless a Japanese regular brings you in, introuduces you to the establishment and gives you the OK. . .(again, from personal experience)), AND the ones that do, charge 2-3 times more, and have the worst/ugliest girls you can find)

There is a reason why I didnt mention the Japanese corporate work culture as a culprit:

Because
1) a LOT of guys get laid/find their wives through their job. . .its not frowned upon, its EXPECTED! A lot of women get jobs at companies JUST TO LAND A HUSBAND (this is good. . .and something that western media would NEVER get a chance to write about. . .and for good reason)

2)THE man basically lives and works for the company, This is bad. . .very bad, and one of the main reasons that Japanese folks arent having kids (you can actually find info on this) The other is a cultural reason. . .but its tied too strongly into the bad economy for me to give it a seperate section to talk about.

So no, the article is pretty much flat out wrong, young Men ARE having sex, or are trying very hard to have sex with women. A LOT more than what this article portrays. . .

Japanese guys has different taste than foreigners though, what they consider a 9 might different from what you consider a 9, also I've seen some pictures of girls white guys consider 9 or 10 and I didn't find them that attractive.

Quote: (10-21-2013 11:34 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Yes. Japan is a glimpse of where the West is heading. Alphas are monopolizing the quality pussy while the rest of the population retreats to porn, hostess bars and brothels[b] Betas can marry if they are so inclined but in many cases marriage in Japan is even worse than back home. The wife controls the finances (you get "pocket money" though woohoo!) while men work soul-crushing jobs and have no rights to see their kids after a divorce. But that's for another discussion.



All of those things. Plus, there might not be overt feminism in Japan but society has nonetheless been thoroughly feminized. Talk to older Japanese guys and they always complain how the young kids nowadays are complete pussies. White knighting is practically built into the culture but the problem is that Japanese women don't need the providers anymore.

"Japan is a glimpse of where the West is heading."

You wish. . .

Japan is the BEST scenario of where the west is headed female relations wise. . .

See Athlone for what the west is actually headed for!

Anyway, back on topic:

Yes brothels. . .yes.

"Betas can marry if they are so inclined but in many cases marriage in Japan is even worse than back home. The wife controls the finances (you get "pocket money" though woohoo!) while men work soul-crushing jobs and have no rights to see their kids after a divorce. But that's for another discussion"

Yeah I forgot to talk about that. . .BUT the wife pretty much is with the man for life. She may hold the finances in check, BUT she makes the home, cooks the dinner, the breakfast, the lunch, takes care of the kids etc etc. . .Being a wife is a TRUE profession there. So there is a silver lining in all of that. . .readers can read "black passenger yellow cab" for more in depth info on that. Yeah you still don't want to get married in Japan though. but that is another discussion.



All of those things. Plus, there might not be overt feminism in Japan but society has nonetheless been thoroughly feminized. Talk to older Japanese guys and they always complain how the young kids nowadays are complete pussies. White knighting is practically built into the culture but the problem is that Japanese women don't need the providers anymore.

This is mostly true, there ARE some tough ass young people out there though, they just mostly. . .become slaves to the economic "working poor" of contruction work(controlled by the mafia), the mafia itself, Jail, or just a very low paying job.(probably controlled by the mafia)

While the young men who are "pussified" get the soul crushing corporate life.

There ARE some men though who are not pussies AND become sucessful, but pretty much this is spot on.

One shocking thing of note is that, women from pretty much 16-24, pretty much make WAAAY more money than the men do!

How?
Selling, designing, female products, clothes, BLOGGING (I believe this really bad singer named "kyary pom pom" got started just from making a blog, and a year or so later became this super successful pop singer. . .youtube her and you'll see.)

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:37 AM)Felix88 Wrote:  

Japanese guys has different taste than foreigners though, what they consider a 9 might different from what you consider a 9, also I've seen some pictures of girls white guys consider 9 or 10 and I didn't find them that attractive.

Yeah that's true. . .I remember I was in heartland bar in Roppongi with a friend and he was like "See that girl over there? She's a 10 to J guy standerads (she was a 6 to me) "go over there and approach her"

I did, . . .she gave me the cold shoulder. . .and I was SHOCKED. . .as this chick was NOT good lookign to me at all!

BUT this can work in the favor of foreingers. . . Girls who have NICE thighs, legs and Asses are look at as "Fat" like I mean some shti that would make the black guys go "Daaaamn" that is considered bad!

Just gonna let that sink in for a while. No commentary needed.

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:51 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

One shocking thing of note is that, women from pretty much 16-24, pretty much make WAAAY more money than the men do!

How?
Selling, designing, female products, clothes, BLOGGING (I believe this really bad singer named "kyary pom pom" got started just from making a blog, and a year or so later became this super successful pop singer. . .youtube her and you'll see.)

And don't forget hostessing...a huge number of young girls do this. Even university students! It pisses me off that guys will pay so much money just to talk to a girl but hey, it's their money to piss down the drain.

Quote: (10-21-2013 11:19 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I just accepted the fact that there was always going to be a "glass ceiling" for me as a foreign guy in Japan. You're allowed to move around within the confines of a a certain box, and no further. Welcome to life.



I agree with your sentiment as it's pretty accurate but I refuse to accept my place in the box. Fuck the box. I have a friend who broke the code and pulls quality girls regularly but he really dedicated himself to self-improvement. I may not be there yet, but he is my inspiration.


The friend that I mentioned didn't accept this paradigm. He studied and imitated a certain fashion niche, learned the language extremely well and built a real career over here. He is an all-round "classy" guy but make no mistake, none of this was natural. He isn't super good-looking. He worked his way up. He has had the street blowouts and flakiness and learned from it. I'd say my friend is as close to being Japanese as you get without actually giving up your identity and it seems to work for him. I've not seen another foreigner who pulls the quality he does.

Pretty much this, personally I think it's BECAUSE you are a foreigner that you can break the glass ceiling if you want. Now that you have this site, which has some really nice info that you can use to help you towards that end. If I had found this site while I was there, I would still be there living a lot better than I was before I left (which is why I plan to go back)

(I'm talking money wise, not game wise.)

Well that and the fact that IF I had known about EE and SEA, I would have made it a point, to visit there every year just to get out and refresh my batteries, and come back stronger than ever.

Quote: (10-22-2013 04:00 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:51 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

One shocking thing of note is that, women from pretty much 16-24, pretty much make WAAAY more money than the men do!

How?
Selling, designing, female products, clothes, BLOGGING (I believe this really bad singer named "kyary pom pom" got started just from making a blog, and a year or so later became this super successful pop singer. . .youtube her and you'll see.)

And don't forget hostessing...a huge number of young girls do this. Even university students! It pisses me off that guys will pay so much money just to talk to a girl but hey, it's their money to piss down the drain.

OH yeah I forgot about that. . .

I had a date with a hostess girl once. . .

Thing is, She had NO MAKEUP on. . . I met her at a club and I was drunk so she looked hot. . .>.>

But yeah she showed me her picture in her hostess outfit and I couldn't believe it!


another hostess I met(didnt date though) was a 19 year old girl who was doing this as well it should be illegal(drinking age is 20) but its Japan, and the law is more like a recommendation,(as long as youre not shooting. . .well stabbing people guns are VERY VERY VERY hard to get there.)

delete.

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:37 AM)Felix88 Wrote:  

Japanese guys has different taste than foreigners though, what they consider a 9 might different from what you consider a 9, also I've seen some pictures of girls white guys consider 9 or 10 and I didn't find them that attractive.

Yeah it's weird how this works. I used to experience this phenomenon a lot at the beginning of my stay but now my eyes have more or less adjusted. What looked like a hot Japanese girl now looks average and vice versa. I don't know how or why this happens but my friends have experienced the same thing.

Funnily enough, white girls are beginning to look exotic now so I guess I've come full circle. You get bored with the same body type and hair colour after a while so I find myself hitting on white girls even when they are average.

Quote: (10-22-2013 04:22 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:37 AM)Felix88 Wrote:  

Japanese guys has different taste than foreigners though, what they consider a 9 might different from what you consider a 9, also I've seen some pictures of girls white guys consider 9 or 10 and I didn't find them that attractive.

Yeah it's weird how this works. I used to experience this phenomenon a lot at the beginning of my stay but now my eyes have more or less adjusted. What looked like a hot Japanese girl now looks average and vice versa. I don't know how or why this happens but my friends have experienced the same thing.

Funnily enough, white girls are beginning to look exotic now so I guess I've come full circle. You get bored with the same body type and hair colour after a while so I find myself hitting on white girls even when they are average.

I KNOW you have seen the Ugly Fat American white girls go to the purely Japanese clubs (club Atom for example) and they pretty much get mobbed by horny drunk dudes trying to get into their pants. . .

That shit is hilarious.

Quote: (10-22-2013 04:00 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-22-2013 03:51 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

One shocking thing of note is that, women from pretty much 16-24, pretty much make WAAAY more money than the men do!

How?
Selling, designing, female products, clothes, BLOGGING (I believe this really bad singer named "kyary pom pom" got started just from making a blog, and a year or so later became this super successful pop singer. . .youtube her and you'll see.)

And don't forget hostessing...a huge number of young girls do this. Even university students! It pisses me off that guys will pay so much money just to talk to a girl but hey, it's their money to piss down the drain.

oh and enjokosai aka compensate dating ,I've heard high school girls talk among themselves about how to do it, those designer bags don't pay for themselves I guess also business employers here are more willing to hire a girl than a man unless it's manual labor.

I don't understand hostess clubs, why blow shit load of money just to talk to girls when you can have some glorious experiences (the lotion mat play is just feel that good) in a high class soaplands instead? and it actually cheaper too.

I traveled to Tokyo from China with my 4 year old white son.

In China my son was huge attraction, everywhere we went at least some people looked, giggled, grinned, oohed and ahhed at him. Many often stopped by to touch his hair, wanted to pose for pictures, etc. He was an absolute 4-year-old rock star lil' white god.

In Tokyo, no one, and I repeat no one, gave a shit about him. Everyone passed by him as if he didn't exist. For two weeks we were there the kid was literally invisible. Not only he didn't get any shred of attention whatsoever, it felt as everyone went out of their way not to even accidentally be associated with his foreign-ness. At best Tokyo citizens were robotic drones, some with barely concealed contempt beneath the shell.

Never been to a country where a cute 4-year-old kid was completely shunned at all levels of society. Even and especially by females. In every other society most females have natural, sunny disposition towards checking out small kids in their midst. Not in Japan (if the kid is foreign.)

There is something to be said about the culture so uptight that its people are so rigid and uncompromising and non-spontaneous to the point of social paralysis, especially toward the foreigners.

This is symptomatic to Japan, because encountering Japanese girls as tourists in Europe and US, although still somewhat stiff, they were a lot more loser and noticeably more open.

Take this story and extrapolate it to game. In China I went through all kinds of pussy. It was free-flowing on tap.

While I hadn't gamed in Tokyo, the impression I got was that as a foreigner I had to be a caricature of "American cool" to get any traction with young girls. At the time it meant I needed to be a young, skinny-jeans wearing pretty-boy overly-fake cool bling-accessorized New York/LA fashionista/hip-hopper. And the impression I got from young Japanese girls is that of sheer dumbness, or rather profound unawareness about the larger world's existence, let alone its substance. These girls haven't heard of anything outside of present day pop-culture paradigm. They love Paris. And they also know of London, Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, Leo DiCaprio and Bieber. But ask them who Hitler was and they draw blanks.

That said, I also gotten a good feeling that older Tokyo women (30s and 40s) were much more gameable, even if/when they were married. Some of them looked rather exquisite, with great fashion sense, and demure, but fuck me eyes. Still, a lot of hard work.

72&Sunny,

Your story pretty much precisely mirrors my experiences in China and Japan. In the former, you feel like something between a celebrity and a walking circus attraction, which can be anywhere between amusing and extremely annoying), while in Japan, nobody really gives a fuck.

The only difference was that I initially reacted positively to this change in Japan. After a while in China, this constant gawking at the foreigner and these repeated utterings of "hellOO! Heeheehee!" wherever you go got on my fucking nerves after a while, so I was releaved to find that the Japanese treated me completely normally. In general, the Japanese just keep to themselves. But it's true that the Japanese can really be uptight sometimes.

Quote: (10-22-2013 05:37 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Your story pretty much precisely mirrors my experiences in China and Japan. In the former, you feel like something between a celebrity and a walking circus attraction, which can be anywhere between amusing and extremely annoying), while in Japan, nobody really gives a fuck.

That contradicts this article which states :

"There are the more desirable groupies looking for relationships for the long term or just a night. Japanese women approaching Western men, and to an extent Japanese men approaching Western women, is just part of a Rock Star’s life. People want to talk, to date, and sometimes do more with Westerners purely because they are Westerners."

http://injapan.gaijinpot.com/live/coming...lebrities/

I guess the truth is somewhere inbetween?

Quote: (10-22-2013 05:37 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

72&Sunny,
Your story pretty much precisely mirrors my experiences in China and Japan. In the former, you feel like something between a celebrity and a walking circus attraction, which can be anywhere between amusing and extremely annoying), while in Japan, nobody really gives a fuck.

This was pretty much my experience too. Complete indifference.

Also, contrary to popular belief, it's not all that different in Bangkok if you go to the Thai nightlife areas.

Outside of the big cities in Japan is a different story. You get a lot of attention and the groupies will find you. I once had an entire class of giggling schoolgirls line up to ask to take their photo with me. That felt pretty rockstar but a Japanese guy "intervened" to stop me from getting their details lol.

Again, don't confuse this with "in the countryside you will get 9s approaching you". It obviously doesn't work that way.

Quote: (10-22-2013 08:00 AM)Steve9 Wrote:  

That contradicts this article which states :

"There are the more desirable groupies looking for relationships for the long term or just a night. Japanese women approaching Western men, and to an extent Japanese men approaching Western women, is just part of a Rock Star’s life. People want to talk, to date, and sometimes do more with Westerners purely because they are Westerners."

Seriously...are we talking about the same country here, or is there a second country called "Japan"/"Nihon" I've just never heard of????

Delenda est Osaka!

Well yes that stuff does sometimes happen but we are talking about average girls here. I did have one absolute stunner approach me to dance in a club and ended up dating her. She turned out to be a pyscho-bitch though. I should have known it was too good to be true.

I don't think anyone is denying you get attention here as a foreigner but my point is it won't be from the quality girls you dream about.