Quote: (10-01-2013 08:01 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Why are you asking for phone numbers though? Japanese girls hardly even use the phone function now anyway unless it is their mum calling them to ask where they are LOL. Plus they probably have bad experience of some asshole stalker that called them 100 times and forced them to change their number.

I ask for LINE info these days. I don't even like LINE but it's less hassle and I get less resistance. No Facebook anymore because I don't like the shit storm of drama it can produce further along the line.

I don't have a smartphone. You can get the LINE app on your pc, but you still need a smartphone to register an account, it seems.

They seem to be less apprehensive when you go for the email, though. What you say about stalkers seems to make sense. It always baffled me when you'd be recieving good rapport from a Japanese girl and suddenly when you suggest exchanging numbers they act like you asked them to get a sex change. I was once again reminded of how ubiquitous bad pickup is on the streets here. You really can't blame the women here for being a bit bitchy and paranoid, sometimes.

Damn Sargon, you're fucking gangster. I've had epic nights in Japan where I got blown out 20-25 times at the club, but that was always compartmentalized in the course of one night. Gotta give it up to you, you're really pushing through and trying it all.

Ever think about just playing gaijin and eavesdropping on the girls? Then using what they say as a sort of "What Women Want" sort of thing? One of my colleagues was a 6'3" bodybuilder type gaijin who worked for the NSA as an analyst (fluent 日本語) but would pull pretty well with that shtick.

I must warn everzome tat I am drunk as balls while writng this.

Went to PUURE last night. Did 10 approaches.

The horror...the Horror...

I had a vision pnce
of a Japanese Girl... walkin g along the edge of a straight razor...eand surviving...it is my dream...it i smy nightmare....craawlign alon gthe edge of a...streight razor...and surviving

and thez call me a liar..those what do you call it when the liar calls the liar...a liartht we have to e merciful...i hate them i fo hate themthat carthaginian whore

there can be no hope in this place...no hope whatsoever...I may as well try to piss at the sky and hit mars. the onlzway to achieve victory os to go the distance...Keep going...not in order toto pull but merly to spit this Country in the face one last time. if i can do tat then i gacn go home with satisfaction. i've already pulled here twice got the flag...mission acomplshed...more whenim sober

Quote: (10-04-2013 05:22 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I must warn everzome tat I am drunk as balls while writng this.

Went to PUURE last night. Did 10 approaches.

The horror...the Horror...

I had a vision pnce
of a Japanese Girl... walkin g along the edge of a straight razor...eand surviving...it is my dream...it i smy nightmare....craawlign alon gthe edge of a...streight razor...and surviving

and thez call me a liar..those what do you call it when the liar calls the liar...a liartht we have to e merciful...i hate them i fo hate themthat carthaginian whore

there can be no hope in this place...no hope whatsoever...I may as well try to piss at the sky and hit mars. the onlzway to achieve victory os to go the distance...Keep going...not in order toto pull but merly to spit this Country in the face one last time. if i can do tat then i gacn go home with satisfaction. i've already pulled here twice got the flag...mission acomplshed...more whenim sober

Yeah sargon, I can tell you're totally drunk. I could somewhat understand what you said and totally understand what you are going through, you want to spit on Japan and leave, you don't care since you already got the flag.

Hey man, stay safe and hopefully we'll hear more from you once you're sober.

For the record, I love reading drunk posts.

Quote: (10-04-2013 05:22 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I must warn everzome tat I am drunk as balls while writng this.

Went to PUURE last night. Did 10 approaches.

The horror...the Horror...

I had a vision pnce
of a Japanese Girl... walkin g along the edge of a straight razor...eand surviving...it is my dream...it i smy nightmare....craawlign alon gthe edge of a...streight razor...and surviving

and thez call me a liar..those what do you call it when the liar calls the liar...a liartht we have to e merciful...i hate them i fo hate themthat carthaginian whore

there can be no hope in this place...no hope whatsoever...I may as well try to piss at the sky and hit mars. the onlzway to achieve victory os to go the distance...Keep going...not in order toto pull but merly to spit this Country in the face one last time. if i can do tat then i gacn go home with satisfaction. i've already pulled here twice got the flag...mission acomplshed...more whenim sober

This is the same guy that thinks paying for hookers doesn't hurt his game.

Quote: (10-04-2013 05:22 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I must warn everzome tat I am drunk as balls while writng this.

Went to PUURE last night. Did 10 approaches.

The horror...the Horror...

I had a vision pnce
of a Japanese Girl... walkin g along the edge of a straight razor...eand surviving...it is my dream...it i smy nightmare....craawlign alon gthe edge of a...streight razor...and surviving

and thez call me a liar..those what do you call it when the liar calls the liar...a liartht we have to e merciful...i hate them i fo hate themthat carthaginian whore

there can be no hope in this place...no hope whatsoever...I may as well try to piss at the sky and hit mars. the onlzway to achieve victory os to go the distance...Keep going...not in order toto pull but merly to spit this Country in the face one last time. if i can do tat then i gacn go home with satisfaction. i've already pulled here twice got the flag...mission acomplshed...more whenim sober

Since you don't give a fuck anyway, you should try fucking with these Japanese hoes. Self-amusement. Tell them they're fucking ugly and shit, laugh at them. Then tell them you're going to fuck the shit out of them, let's go back to my place right now. Strong eye contact. Assertively. I don't know. Maybe you're coming off too nice though.

You should get out of Japan asap. Go to China or Korea.

Quote: (10-04-2013 06:38 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

This is the same guy that thinks paying for hookers doesn't hurt his game.

Fisto. Seriously?

I already told you I don't pay for hookers. I said that multiple times. I fail to see how something I'm not doing can be hurting my game.

While I certainly admire your accomplishments in SEA, using this dead horse to hijack another topic when you know it's unrelated is childish.

The discussion is settled. Get over it and grow up.

Quote: (10-04-2013 09:10 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Since you don't give a fuck anyway, you should try fucking with these Japanese hoes.

Actually, that's kind of what I did.

So, now that my head is clear(er), time for the sober version...

Friday, 4th October, 2013

Was scheduled to meet up with a girl. Phone was still temporarily busted until this morning, so I couldn't call/text her yesterday or day before. She didn't show up, which didn't bother me. Went down to the big Starbucks at Shinsaibashi so I could get some writing done. Since it was getting late I wondered when the second floor would close (it always closes earlier than the ground floor). I notice the (trashy) woman sitting to my left and think she's probably the type who would give me one of those insta-blowouts if I asked for the time of day, so I decide to test this hypothesis just for the lulz.
"すみません/excuse me,” I say, lightly brushing her shoulder.
She glares at me out of the corner of her eye and ignores me. "すみません/excuse me" I repeat, a bit louder. No response. Since I really wasn't intending on asking her more than when the place closes, I got a blowout without an actual approach.

Sigh...really...only in Japan. I ask a guy sitting to my right the same question, who gives me a straight and friendly answer.

I realize it's too late to catch the train back, so I decide to head out to a club. Giraffe closes too early, so I'm thinking either Bar One or Pure. The former has next to nothing going on on Friday, and the latter has an all you can drink. So I decide to go to Pure, since I haven't been there in a while. Therein lay my mistake. Though I did get laid once here, in general the place is my Kryptonite.

I start the night off by chatting on and off with guys at the bar and the dancefloor. Probably spend the first 30 min chatting with guys than approaching. I counted 9 approaches there. The first started out with decent conversation, but nothing more, the others not so much. Towards the end of the night was when I started getting stone drunk. Stumbled onto the train, into a cab and into my bed, where I produced that charming post from this morning.

To clarify my...uh...utterings: I was pretty let down last night, but right now with a clear head, I can still see a small shimmer of hope. I shouldn't have gone to Pure, and there still might be hope in other places. However, even though I'll likely get laid one, maybe two more times while I'm here, I don't think I can pull a viable sex life out of this place. Some guys do well here, but for one reason or the other I just don't vibe well with this place.

Like I said, I've already slain 3 Japanese girls, 2 while here, so it wasn't a total failure, but despite the fact that I generally like this country, it looks like my next destination will have to be somewhere else.

Other than that, I've got another date for tomorrow with a girl I approached on the street last Tuesday. Since she responded quickly to each mail, it seems unlikely that she'll flake.

So far that makes...
261 approaches, 64 numbers, 15 dates, 9 makeouts, 2 bangs

More info coming soon...

The guy who goes on a barely decipherable drunken tantrum is calling me childish.

Ohhhh kaaaay

Quote: (10-05-2013 12:31 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

The guy who goes on a barely decipherable drunken tantrum is calling me childish.

Ohhhh kaaaay

I'm not interested in starting some silly flame war or bickering on the internet.

This type of pointless mud-slinging is the very definition of childish.

If you can't handle someone having a different opinion than you on a disagreement that ended months ago, that's not my problem.

Stop hijacking this thread.

Actually my point was that for a guy that's so entrenched in his views on "game", your methods don't seem to be working for you.

Carry on any way you wish.

What views are you referring to?

I'll say this again, I've got no beef with you. You're usually a very contributive member of the forum and with (apparently) a long history of success. Why start these petty arguments?

When are you leaving japan?

Quote: (10-05-2013 09:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

When are you leaving japan?

I'll be leaving next year in April. It still remains to be seen whether I plan on returning.

It seems like you're in for a long ride my friend.

The way I see it is that I have all the more time to crack the code and see if I can't carve out a niche of some kind. I may have gotten laid a couple times, but my results are obviously less than stellar. There has to be a way to get better results in this country, something I can try that will bring more consistency.

Quote: (10-05-2013 12:30 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Like I said, I've already slain 3 Japanese girls, 2 while here, so it wasn't a total failure, but despite the fact that I generally like this country, it looks like my next destination will have to be somewhere else.

At least try Tokyo before you decide that Japan isn't good for getting laid. My offer to show you around is still on the table.

Quote: (10-05-2013 10:44 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

There has to be a way to get better results in this country, something I can try that will bring more consistency.

Well it's tricky to give advice without knowing much about your game but this is a good attitude. Change up your game strategy. Work out more. Improve your Japanese. Read Japanese magazines or watch Japanese TV more so you have more talking points. Improve your fashion.

Bottom line: Do something different from what you are doing now if you want different results.

Sargon,
Interesting to read your on going reports from the grounds. However, what surprises me is your abysmal success in Japan. You're the first guy I ever heard of having this kind of results. Really curious to hear more as to what may be causing that? Are you white? black? Asian? Indian? Middle Eastern? Native? Just trying to understand things as your results are more the exceptions than the norm really. Anyone who I have talked to who has lived in Japan swore that it was a buffet of J pussy and with pics to prove it. So what gives amigo?

Maybe Osaka is just not the place to be.

Quote: (10-07-2013 10:07 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

At least try Tokyo before you decide that Japan isn't good for getting laid. My offer to show you around is still on the table.

I definitely plan on going to Tokyo some day, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to afford it. I still want to work a bit to see if I can't save up enough money.

Quote: (10-07-2013 10:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Sargon,
Interesting to read your on going reports from the grounds. However, what surprises me is your abysmal success in Japan. You're the first guy I ever heard of having this kind of results.

Well, you're not the only one who was surprised by it. Of course, I never expected it to be easy, but I have never ever experienced anything like this before coming to Japan. This is also the first place where I've had such poor results. Again, to give a recap of my results:

Beijing/China 2011: about 300 approaches; c. 20 makeouts, 8 bangs (batting average: about 1/40)
Germany (return from China) 2012-March 2013: 70 daytime approaches: 3 bangs (1 ONS, 1 fling, 1 GF, batting average: about 1/20)
Prague 2012 (3 day trip): 10 club approaches, 1 street aproach; 1 lay (batting average: about 1/10)
...
Osaka/Japan: 261 approaches; 2 lays (batting average: about 1/130)

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Really curious to hear more as to what may be causing that?

So am I. It's a mystery to me as well, and I can only speculate as to why that is.

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Are you white? black? Asian? Indian? Middle Eastern? Native?

I gave a description of myself up at the beginning: I look white, am about 185 cm tall, broad shoulders, very deep voice, short brown hair (sometimes shaven), green eyes, typically wear a button up shirt and jeans, glasses. I would describe my appearance as relatively average looking.

I'm usually told by others I'm the type girls here would go for, though I've never encountered as many dismissive looks by woman as in this country. I wouldn't say that my game is 'good', but in every other country I've been to, I could pull with a decent amount of effort, attempts and patience.

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Just trying to understand things as your results are more the exceptions than the norm really. Anyone who I have talked to who has lived in Japan swore that it was a buffet of J pussy and with pics to prove it. So what gives amigo?

The other posters based here in Japan have had better results than me, that's true, but most have not said that it was particularly easy, and I get the impression that these stories of Japan being super easy come from a time up until the late 90s and early 2000s (I may be wrong, it's just a guess). Others have told me that there are just some guys who kill it here and others who struggle, for inexplicable reasons. I really can't say which of these stories is true. I've met with two posters from RVF thus far. One has told me I'm probably just approaching in the wrong places, while the other said I'm actually the type girls here would go for, and suggested I was doing too many street approaches at the time.

Right now, it's not a terribly big deal even if I don't manage to pull again here. What matters to me right now is mainly that I didn't give up. I know it sounds like something out of a corny motivational video, but I see no shame in failure as long as I can tell myself I never quit. When this is over, I'll never be able to say I sat on my ass the entire time whining. Even if I approach another 500 women with not a single lay (like that guy from that post in the game Forum) my game will till have improved as a result, which will be good for any other destinations that cross my path, even if my self confidence temporarily drops. Everyone has their own personal pussy paradise and pergatory. No shame in that, only shame in sitting on your ass an crying.

Despite this I am still uncertain as to whether or not I want to stay in Japan.

Quote: (10-05-2013 12:30 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

"すみません/excuse me,” I say, lightly brushing her shoulder.
She glares at me out of the corner of her eye and ignores me. "すみません/excuse me" I repeat, a bit louder. No response.

You need to find a better opener than this.

Quote: (10-08-2013 02:14 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Right now, it's not a terribly big deal even if I don't manage to pull again here. What matters to me right now is mainly that I didn't give up. I know it sounds like something out of a corny motivational video, but I see no shame in failure as long as I can tell myself I never quit. When this is over, I'll never be able to say I sat on my ass the entire time whining. Even if I approach another 500 women with not a single lay (like that guy from that post in the game Forum) my game will till have improved as a result, which will be good for any other destinations that cross my path, even if my self confidence temporarily drops. Everyone has their own personal pussy paradise and pergatory. No shame in that, only shame in sitting on your ass an crying.

I like your attitude. Keep it up and the results will come in the end. Maybe try to find a wing who pulls on the regular in Osaka. Hanging out with people who are better than yourself helps.

Quote: (10-08-2013 04:33 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2013 12:30 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

"すみません/excuse me,” I say, lightly brushing her shoulder.
She glares at me out of the corner of her eye and ignores me. "すみません/excuse me" I repeat, a bit louder. No response.

You need to find a better opener than this.

If it's night on the street, try saying "ohayagozaimasu, hisashiburi " (good morning , long time no see) ,

Sometimes she will stop and wonder who you are, and if you really met her before. (my japanese friend uses this all the time on the street) During this time wave her over to you.
Works about half the time.
Half of the time , they also get ignored.

Also he will say something like "saifu otoshita" you dropped your wallet.
This will usually get the girl to stop and look behind her.

These sound like stupid openers but they work here in Japan. I've seen other japanese use them, and i've used them a few times.

Another thing for the street, is running in front of a girl and stopping her. I tried it, but I think i need more japanese for it. I think it's a good way to command attention , and get her to stop, more so than the other ways i've seen and tried.

Street is hard and to be sucessful this winter you will probably have more success approaching girls who are wearing masks since it's starting to get cold. Their is a certain type of girl that wears the mask even though she isn't sick. Usually she has low self esteem and is shy. These girls can range from ugly to hot. My friend told me to always check their face while talking to them and to compliment them if they are cute. He banged one of these low self esteem mask girls the other day in the toilet. I was with him and also talked to her that day, and she was pretty shy but kept standing their with us.


For indirect game, I follow almost to the letter what roosh writes in his book "day bang," I drop bait, ramble, wait for a personal question , etc, except in Japanese. Works for stores, supermarkets, malls, etc.

If i had to make a guess , i would say the thing holding you back is your ability in japanese. My success jumped when I began speaking and connecting in japanese.

Just to be clear, the "approach" Dreambig quoted above happened at Starbucks, not on the street.

Also, as I wrote above...

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I notice the (trashy) woman sitting to my left and think she's probably the type who would give me one of those insta-blowouts if I asked for the time of day, so I decide to test this hypothesis just for the lulz.

These kinds of blowouts simply happen here on occasion. You can tell that it's due to the rampant nampa on the streets. Nothing could have been done to change that.

As far as the "opener", there was no opener to begin with. Saying "excuse me" while tapping someone typically does not produce any negative reaction here whatsoever, as it's just a universal way of getting someone's attention. If a girl blows you out that quickly, you were dead in the water with that one before you opened your mouth. I really don't think that the 250+ rejections I gotten here are due to "excuse me" being the first words coming out of my mouth.