Today I started to a new approach program. Let me explain myself firstly.
Im 6'1', live in a non-english speaking country, girls are mostly conservative.

Until 3 months a go, havent made any cold approach using daygame.

Now I can open girls and speak with them, if they hook. Though, i have some difficulty to catch hook point.

My approaches will be daygame and i will use indirect.

Ok lets start...

Hb8, 24, business woman who buys vegetables for the workplace, i thought she will continue the shopping. However i didnt see her again.

While i was going to buy a banana, i saw she comes to the same place with me. I coincidantally was at the same place with her. While I was taking banana

Me: Are they fresh?

Her: (Very warm and smiling) I dont know actually, I buy them randomly.

Me: They look fine

Her: (She leaves as she didnt get the desired vibing fort he communication)

This is the first lunch time approach.

I should banter “ You look like an expert on choosing bananas

hb7, 24, spanish girl from madrid. she was looking at the same aisle.

me: is it good?

her:i dont understand.

me: is it good? (in english this time)

her: yeah i guess.

me: did you try it

her: no

me: (i am pointing where she looks at) these have sugar, not good

her: yeah they are

me: but you look thin and slim

her: (smiles)

me: do you exercise

her: no

me: where are you from

her: spain

me: oh really, its a good country

me: i have collegues from madrid

her: i am from madrid too

me: i hope i can visit sometime

me: are you student

her: no i am working

me: where do you work, which company

her: arff( i didnt get it)

me: whats your name

her: arbarera

me: im b.

me: when will you return to spain

her: im here until december

me: short time

her: i need to go

me: do you wanna talk later

her: im busy nowadays

me: next week?

her: no sorry

me: ok have a nice day

today i approached 3 more girls, but they didnt hook. i will write here only the girls who hook with me.

with the banana lady, I would have continued rambling random shit until either she tells something in return or walks away. You can make up a story that you bought one kilo of these bananas last week, they looked good on the outside, but when you peeled them of at home it turned out they were all dry and tasted like paper, however the peaches nearby were really juicy but you just hate how sometimes a little piece of their skin sticks between the teeth and you went around with it the whole day without realizing and how embarrassing it was, then ramble about the shop, vitamins, nutrition, sports, whatever, as long as she's sort of listening.

with the second one you started asking her personal stuff first, while the idea (at least the strategy I learned from Roosh) is to ramble and ramble and ramble until she asks you a personal question first

While I was at lunch time, I went to the grocery store and saw this hb7, 27.

I took a position such that we are at the same aisle.

Me: Is this a good chocalate?

Her: Yeah, especially this one (showing one brand)

Me: Does it contain much sugar?

Her: (Looking at the package) No its not writeen like that

Me: Oh ok. I wonder about the cacao rate as well. Its important too.

Her: I dont know exactly.

Me: (Showing some choclates) They have 80 %. While I was eating them, I was dying last time.

Her: Oh ok.

Me: Do you work here?

Her: Yeah, I work in this building at xyz bank.

Me: Tough job, you work alot i guess.

Her:Yeap its sometimes tough.

Me: If you had worked on more crowded region it could be worse.

Her: Here is crowded as well.

Me: After crisis, banking is not good as before .

Her: Yeah

Me: Do you work on Saturdays?

Her: Once per month

Me: The best side of bank jobs is not working on weekends and you are workingJ

Her:Yeah nothing to do.

Her: Hey, I have to return to work, nice to meet you.

Me: Lets talk later

Her: If you come to branch I can be helpful for you.

Me: Ok.



After work, I went to the shopping mall as usual. And I saw a girl looking at a book in book store.

hb7, 21, short hair student

me: its a good book.

her: really? i didnt know

me: did you read another book (i say name of the book) of that writer?

her: yeah, i like it very much, it is the one of the best. I read it sometimes.

me: really? like watching the movies again again if you like

me: my favourite is fight club

her: its good movie

me: another one is perfume

her: book of it is better

me: yeah some movies are like that, some of them are vice versa

her: i wonder about this writer (showing some book)

me: i heard it is good

me: i dont have much time to read books as before

her: you should be teacher accountant or banker which one?

me: i am in organic products business, work with the soil.

her: really?

me: no im joking clearly

her:

me: im in finance

her: oh i guesed so..

me: sorry, it is friday and im tired

her: you dont look like tired, you have tie

me: yeah, i loose it, i dont see customer much

me: let me guess, you are student?

her: yeah

me:xyz university?

her: noo i study in another city

me: i have been to this city, iremember xx, xx etc. and there was a good book store

her: its small one

me: i had a friend there

her: yeah i like this city more than where i live

me: ok

me: i have to go now lets talk another time?

her: i have exams sorry and i will return to xyz city

me: later?

her: sorry

me: ok have a nice day

i went to grocery store after that we are at the same aisle with a girl hb6, 32

she has a big bag in shopping bag

me: is it a good bag?

her: yeah it is, what i had before was broken, i bought this from here

me: it seems nice, i will go to trip, i need to buy it

her: i brought it here to carry what i buy from here

me: lets hope its safe to carry them

her: i live very close to here

me: do you live xyz?

her: very close to here

me: nice place

me: its difficult to choose after work there are many things to buy, im looking for dardanelles calorie for 2 minutes

her: you watch out you diet i guess

me: i exercise and it is life style, i run too at xyz place

me: are you banker?

her: no, im a lawyer

me: hands up

her

me: its a good job

her: yeah i like it

we talk about the job a bit

i tell her about my job. my university(DHV) she says she has the best friend from same university.

her: i visit many cities because of the job

me: nice. first time i visited another city i stayed at 5 stars hotels for 1,5 years(DHV)

her: really

me: yeah, after that i didnt go for the work

her: i dont go now either

me: if they send to me abroad, there is no opportunity to visit citites, i went to london last time for a meeting for 3 days,(DHV) i didnt have time to see the city.

her: yeah i understand

me: now i have to go lets talk later

her: ok take my email

me: is the phone ok?

her: ok

we talk about the life and things to do later

i go with shaking hands

hb7, 24

me: its a good book, you should read it

her: ok

me: did you read the previous book from same writer

her: yeah

me: if you liked it, you may like this too

me: but it is a bit too long, i cant read too long books anymore

her: me either

me: i dont have time now

her: i have time but, i dont like long books

me: i had read russian writers

her: which ones?

me: dostoyevski, tolstoy etc.

her: dostoyevski is good

me: yeah i like much especially crime and punisment

her: its top

me: did you read solijinetseen?

her: no i dont

me: its good too

her: let me memorize his name

me: yeah

me: i guess you dont work, since you have time

her:no, im a teacher

me: math?

her: no, another

me: which school

her: government

me: nice, clever

her: what do you do

me: im in organic products, i grow them and sell

her: its my dream job

me: previously i was teacher (im joking here)

her: really?

me: of course not

her: oh, it thought its real

me: there is no land here to grow products

her: i dont know you i thought you are serious

me: let me tell you my name, im b.

her: what do you do

me: im in finance, since finance is not liked much, i wanted to make a joke

her:

her: im d.

we shake hands

when we continue chatting her friend come (another girl)

i introduce myself to her too, but i lose my motivation i eject

me: i have to go back side

her: nice to meet you

me: see you

From what I can see, and as daygame noted, your interactions are and will be better if you focus on making statements as opposed to asking personal questions right off the bat.

Otherwise, seems like your putting in a lot of effort. Keep up the good work.

Quote: (07-05-2013 04:13 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

From what I can see, and as daygame noted, your interactions are and will be better if you focus on making statements as opposed to asking personal questions right off the bat.

Otherwise, seems like your putting in a lot of effort. Keep up the good work.

thank you very much, i will be making statements instead of questions. Since we are in crowded place, i feel i should be asking questions in order to make the speech alive. If the girl doesnt hook and i dont ask anything i feel the conversation will die.

Quote: (07-04-2013 04:40 PM)daygame Wrote:  

with the banana lady, I would have continued rambling random shit until either she tells something in return or walks away. You can make up a story that you bought one kilo of these bananas last week, they looked good on the outside, but when you peeled them of at home it turned out they were all dry and tasted like paper, however the peaches nearby were really juicy but you just hate how sometimes a little piece of their skin sticks between the teeth and you went around with it the whole day without realizing and how embarrassing it was, then ramble about the shop, vitamins, nutrition, sports, whatever, as long as she's sort of listening.

with the second one you started asking her personal stuff first, while the idea (at least the strategy I learned from Roosh) is to ramble and ramble and ramble until she asks you a personal question first

thank you daygame. i am introverted person, i try to change it. let me be more conversational person and ramble more. in order to make the speech alive, i ask questions, if i dont ask i feel the girl will go.

I don't know man, either you go indirect (ramble, then transit gradually to personal), or you go direct (hey, i like you, i would like to make friends with you). Seems illogical to be like "is this a good book, where do you work?"

I make them ask stuff about me. It helps that I'm a genuine foreigner, so they almost always ask where I'm from, and I have an elaborate answer to that. Then I ramble about random shit and mention the word "job/work" a few times, i.e. "it's so inconvenient that this store closes at 7pm, I barely have time to do my groceries after work" or "the construction works seem never ending, I spend way too much time in the traffic jams commuting to work" or make up some funny story about what happened to your colleague at work. You get the idea. If you have a hobby, do the same, mention something that will make her want to ask what is it exactly that you do as a hobby. If the talk ever turns about travelling, I have an extensive list of places that makes her want to ask how old am I (I look young for this amount of travelling).

Hb9, 23 bookstore on the Street.

She is looking on the books, i see her and decide to stay in the store a while. She sees me and im going to other side, she starts to look at the same books with me. After approximateley 5 minutes we see each other first time,

Me: its a good book

Her: this one?

Me: yeah, readable if you like

She puts the book back

Me: the book near to it is good too

Her: ok,

Me: i had been given in america as the gift (im not talking fluent now, since i feel she is not interested)

Her: i dont like personal development books

Me: they are not good after 1 week, their effect is going

Me: did you read writer xyx

Her: no i heard

Me: and did you read writer yzx

Her: no

Me: you should read them

(she puts her hand in closed loop, indication of closeness to talk)

Me: i guess you are student

Her: im not student

İ eject here and she goes to other side of the store

When i ask the first writer, i should continue on that writer and take her where that writer is, i bombarded with another writer. I should make a joke to warm the environment





Hb8, 24: grocery store in mall

She is taking a tea. Im going to same place as if i will take tea too. And say

Me: its not good brand

She looks at me and continues to look at the tea and same brand

Me: i had tried it, my stomach was bad all day

No response, i eject

Hb7, 23 chinese

İ follow her after grocery store and i plan timing such that we are on the same stairs, she is behind me

Me: is lipton good tea?

She looks at me as if she didnt understand

Me: is it good?

She smiles, i smile she doesnt respond

İ eject.

Fresh thread. First recorded approach. Probably approach 80 or so since February 2013.

July 7, 2013. 0045 hours, minutes after walking inside.
Cinebar, the upscale punk bar (not the Caravan which is almost like a degenerate private club)
Punk lesbian wearing choker. I open with, "How comfortable is that thing?"
When she said "partner wears wrist cuffs" I said I wear wigs. Then instead of logistically moving it toward threesome (her partner was an 8 playing pool 5 yards away), I didn't pick up that she was a lesbian. She was playing with her hoop earring which is a confusing IOI for a Lesbian.

Didn't realize lesbian status. I got scared off by cell phone bitch shield so I asked her about app. That went over like a lead brick so I think I switched to talking about Hitler. again.























Cinebar



Punk lesbian wearing choker
When she said "partner wears wrist cuffs"
I should jumped in for threesome
Didn't realize lesbian status.I got scared off by cell phone bitch shield

Good job man. While I'm not fortunate enough to read every post, I'd love to see a summary and what worked best.

Keep it up!

Thank you, Broadband.

I did go out again tonight. Results were mixed and more approaches led to more questions.

I approached two women earlier at the gym to get in frame. I tend to like the young ladies who work there more than any of the clientele but they are being lorded over by the gym worker guys. So I randomly blew the objectively hotina-est of the hotinas a kiss before going to the gun club.

The gun club went down like usual. That's a guy place.

Then I went back to yesterday's bar. No women in there, I enlisted an middle-aged guy for convo while the Giants went into extra innings versus the Mets. He had an interesting drink combination and this was a Monday night.

We began talking about his medical problems and he offered to buy me a drink. From nowhere a pretty Eritrean exchange student came into the place and stood next to me. She claimed to be waiting for her friend.

I included her in me and the older guy's chat that hit all the subjects. After awhile she opened up. Before I knew it, the older guy bought her a strong drink. She had a sweet voice and was much younger than I, but at no point did she indicate discomfort. At a few points she leaned in to talk and by the end of drink time our legs touched. She was slender and dressed casually but from the look of what was south of her well-formed head, I liked what her mother gave her.

This Eritrean girl had one of the prettier voices I have heard in a while and was stunning and sweet. I tried to hand her my phone, but instead managed to weasel my way into giving her a ride.

This could have been serious bangtime because she enjoyed my Southern and Brooklynese impressions along the way, and there weren't any sour notes. Also she was a little bit lit. But she had to go to school at 8 AM and it was already midnight or some bullshit. I forgot Roosh's bathroom line or to ask if her parents were home.

I got the number though. This would be a gold star Monday night if I weren't coming out of such a rut. But I did learn the value of a wingman.

If Eritrean girl follows up with a date, I need to get her to the section of road 5 miles down where the cheap motels are to "show her American roadside architecure" or something like that. What a notch she would make. Well, look at me going on and on.

Quote: (07-09-2013 03:34 AM)Captain Caveman Wrote:  

Thank you, Broadband.

I did go out again tonight. Results were mixed and more approaches led to more questions.

I approached two women earlier at the gym to get in frame. I tend to like the young ladies who work there more than any of the clientele but they are being lorded over by the gym worker guys. So I randomly blew the objectively hotina-est of the hotinas a kiss before going to the gun club.

The gun club went down like usual. That's a guy place.

Then I went back to yesterday's bar. No women in there, I enlisted an middle-aged guy for convo while the Giants went into extra innings versus the Mets. He had an interesting drink combination and this was a Monday night.

We began talking about his medical problems and he offered to buy me a drink. From nowhere a pretty Eritrean exchange student came into the place and stood next to me. She claimed to be waiting for her friend.

I included her in me and the older guy's chat that hit all the subjects. After awhile she opened up. Before I knew it, the older guy bought her a strong drink. She had a sweet voice and was much younger than I, but at no point did she indicate discomfort. At a few points she leaned in to talk and by the end of drink time our legs touched. She was slender and dressed casually but from the look of what was south of her well-formed head, I liked what her mother gave her.

This Eritrean girl had one of the prettier voices I have heard in a while and was stunning and sweet. I tried to hand her my phone, but instead managed to weasel my way into giving her a ride.

This could have been serious bangtime because she enjoyed my Southern and Brooklynese impressions along the way, and there weren't any sour notes. Also she was a little bit lit. But she had to go to school at 8 AM and it was already midnight or some bullshit. I forgot Roosh's bathroom line or to ask if her parents were home.

I got the number though. This would be a gold star Monday night if I weren't coming out of such a rut. But I did learn the value of a wingman.

If Eritrean girl follows up with a date, I need to get her to the section of road 5 miles down where the cheap motels are to "show her American roadside architecure" or something like that. What a notch she would make. Well, look at me going on and on.

hi man, dont misunderstand but, i had started this thread for logging my approaches. you are using the same thread and this makes confusion.

Hb6, 27
I open a gym chick at grocery store, she replies but i dont feel the vibe, eject.
Hb7, 31
I open the woman, she says “my son” meaning she is married. She talks about her baby etc. Since she is married, I eject, though the woman was very warm. She was talking even though i didnt want to continue.
HB7, 22
In bookstore, when i enter the store i see her and im sending text on my phone. She sees me, and continue to look at the books. Wh i decide to approach, i cant find anything to say to her. She is looking to the romance womanly novel. So, it comes to me absurd to ask whether its good book. So, i miss the opportunity. She goes to other side of the store. İ follow her as if im looking at the books and when i see her say “this is a good book” and talk about the book. İts 21:30 pm and late, i guess she is anxious so i dont continue.

My party foul. Clearly I am still figuring this forum shit out.

hb8, 32 hipster

i saw her and hesitated since she was like hipster and junky. So i decided to try. she hooked well. I said her follow me she did. and we talked more than 10 minutes but she was not gf material so i didnt ask her number.

Im not sure whether its a waste of time if the girl is not a girlfriend material. Thats the main dilemma. If I go only for the girls i like, that makes scarcity mentality.

i am not writing here much nowadays, i am busy with the work.
Yesterday i went to outside after work.

hb4, 41

i approached her in the same aisle, she was married and i didnt like the woman much.

hb6, 23 korean tourist, she hardly talks english, we talked a bit, she is from korea and return 1 day later, so i didnt continue the transaction. i said goodbye.

I completed my 100 approach experiment.

In the end:

Out of 100 approaches 12 numbers and 2 dates.

I guess this numbers are not satisfactory.

What to do now?

Quote: (08-08-2013 08:28 AM)purplelake02 Wrote:  

I completed my 100 approach experiment.

In the end:

Out of 100 approaches 12 numbers and 2 dates.

I guess this numbers are not satisfactory.

What to do now?

Are you growing more comfortable and confident as the approaches go on? Then keep going you are making progress. If you plateau you need to take a closer look at yourself and focus on inner game/value.

Don't know how conservative your country is. Sargon's Japan thread makes it seem a 1% bang rate is about normal for a well versed player. Which is an extremely conservative bang rate.

In America I would say for raw beginners decent rates are:
10%+ numbers
5%+ dates
1%+ bangs

Since these are only your first 100 approaches I would do 100 more and see if you get a bang.

Check your style, hygiene, workout regime.

If it feels like the girls are giving you the cold shoulder quickly and are not hooking you may want to even video yourself rambling for a minute or two in the mirror like you are talking to a girl. Look at your posture, eye contact, gestures, smile etc... if it looks off, it is. Watch YouTube videos of famous movie scenes of alpha guys conversing with women (James Dean, Steve McQueen, Sean Connery (James Bond), Burt Reynolds, George Clooney, and old school John Wayne (happy eyes, strong posture, presence)... take your pick). Try to mimmick that a little in the mirror.

I have heard an acting/improv class can do wonders for conversation skills and to be able to change your body expression at will.

Quote: (07-12-2013 03:53 PM)purplelake02 Wrote:  

Im not sure whether its a waste of time if the girl is not a girlfriend material. Thats the main dilemma. If I go only for the girls i like, that makes scarcity mentality.

If you are looking for a girlfriend and not just bangs you need to spend some time finding the places your "girlfriend" material type hangs out and game there exclusively.

College library? Coffee shop? Dance studio? Animal shelter? Church?

A girlfriend search is about 100x harder than a bang search. You need to do your research and get involved in places and activities that have your girlfriend girl.

I think day game hacking and just randomly doing it when you're out doing errands or at a big public area will not be specific enough. This is straight bang territory usually.