"Oh, you know, that house you paid for? As a reward for being such a nice boy you get to decorate ONE room as you like! You can even hang some posters in there!"

The batcave..the original mancave. Thanks batman !!

Quote: (07-06-2013 09:52 PM)painter Wrote:  

I'm with Cardguy and Roosh, my house is my man cave. And my garage too.

Those mancave pictures are tacky for sure, but those are the "lucky" guys. Most mancave's are pathetic. A lot of guys don't even get a room of their own. They either get the basement or the attic or if their wife is a real bitch all they get is the garage. It's pathetic.

They say, "Yeah man, check out my basement/attic/garage, I got a couch and a tv and I got a little fridge and I'm gonna build a bar..." it's like being in high school again.

I helped one married buddy put a toilet in his basement because his wife doesn't want him to take a shit in their bathroom anymore. She banned him from his own toilet, in a house he owned before he ever even met the bitch and now he's relegated to taking a shit in the open corner of a dark, wet, unfinished basement 365 days a year while she's got the rest of his house all decorated like Martha Stewart.

Quote: (07-06-2013 09:52 PM)painter Wrote:  

I helped one married buddy put a toilet in his basement because his wife doesn't want him to take a shit in their bathroom anymore. She banned him from his own toilet, in a house he owned before he ever even met the bitch and now he's relegated to taking a shit in the open corner of a dark, wet, unfinished basement 365 days a year while she's got the rest of his house all decorated like Martha Stewart.

This can't be real. Did you at least try to talk some sense into him?

I know a guy whose mancave rights were revoked once the wife found out he was using it not only for his respectable hobby but also for porn consumption and running successful online game.
He now has a sad corner of the living room to do his business and has to go to alpha suppression therapy to save his marriage.

Edit: painter's post went up in the meantime. Holy shit.

Quote: (07-06-2013 10:45 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

Quote: (07-06-2013 09:52 PM)painter Wrote:  

I helped one married buddy put a toilet in his basement because his wife doesn't want him to take a shit in their bathroom anymore. She banned him from his own toilet, in a house he owned before he ever even met the bitch and now he's relegated to taking a shit in the open corner of a dark, wet, unfinished basement 365 days a year while she's got the rest of his house all decorated like Martha Stewart.

This can't be real. Did you at least try to talk some sense into him?

I tried to talk sense into him before he even let the girl move in, much less marrying her. Don't worry, though, he's gonna put a bar in next to the toilet when he gets around to it and then he can really party.

I read the linked articles and the funnies part is how the most contested aspect of the man cave is the fact that "women don't have one too." As if any guy really gives a shit if a woman wants to set aside a room for a "she-spa."

Chances are she'll never get it off the ground anyways.

I've got a 'mancave' (garage) and I've heard it all before about how it's beta to be banished from the main house. But when you've got a couple of screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses, who ruin everything they touch, I'm not worried about being 'beta' if it means I've got a safe place to keep my favourite shit.

Quote: (07-06-2013 08:10 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

If women weren't inept at carpentry and tinkering, and they actually had interesting hobbies like guys do, they could just build their own fucking caves.

Men build, women can only buy.

So funny.

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Cool, I can get down with those. I do have two issues though. First, why is it always a Man Cave? Can there not be like, a Lady Haven or something? I would like my Lady Haven to be equipped with a full range of Essie nail polishes, a soft serve ice cream machine, and a brand new computer with a paid New York Times online subscription so I can read unlimited articles, please.

Guy does something cool for himself, women ruins the whole idea trying to copy it. Sound familiar?

Maybe I was a little harsh calling the mancave's pathetic. I just feel bad seeing it happen to guys when the chick's take over. I totally understand how it happens, especially if a guy has no style. Chick's live to decorate like they live to plan their perfect wedding. They'll max out the credit cards buying matching furniture and tables and lamps and drapes and carpets and color coordinating everything with shit that comes off an assembly line and they turn your living room into a sterile place you're not even allowed to go into anymore without mommy's permission.

If I did have a chick move in with me I'd let her do some stuff, but she's not touching my books and she's not touching the art. I've got paintings that belong in museums, there's no way in hell she's putting up some cheap print she bought at Target. I don't have a matching set of anything except for the dining room chairs, everything else has been assembled piece by piece, has character and is unique.

^^^

Ever been in a house where the chairs and couch are covered in plastic?

I've also been in houses where certain rooms are off limits. They'll have a living room decorated to the 9's with expensive shit, but the family spends 95% of their time is some crappy family room so as to not mess up the living room. A big waste if you ask me.

Quote: (07-06-2013 09:56 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

thedude's place sounds bad-ass for sure, but something tells me he'd change it up if he had a wife and kids running around, no matter how strong his frame.

And don't start in with me on that married men aren't real men story.

The only thing I can think of changing would be ditching the drugs. I've got stuff that I'm not getting rid of for love or money. My sound system is housed in a spruce cabinet that my grandpa built before I was born, probably 35-40 years ago. It IS about frame here. If I ever do raise a family, it's not going to be some cut/copy drywall box stuffed with garbage from Crate&Barrel. I'm going to raise them in a quality home filled with handmade treasure that I've accumulated over the years. There's not going to be tabloid magazines (that includes Maxim and FHM) iPad's laying around, a T.V. blaring nonstop. It'll be an expanded version of what I've got now: books, art, a few plants, and a sense of calm. If whatever girl I'm with doesn't find that suitable she's more than welcome to hit the trail.

I look at interior decorating like instagram: the powers-that-be have convinced everyone that the ultimate virtue in life is individuality and for everyone to "express themselves". Having curtains that accent the rug and all that other horseshit. Taking pictures of what you eat through any number of retro filters. Instead of cultivating genuinely unique personality traits, we're taught to express ourselves through commercialism: what we buy, how we decorate, what we digitally capture.

Of course, the end result of this is you have millions of people taking pictures of the same shit through the same filters, decorating their places all the same (as stylish as it may be) with no real genuine quality about their lifestyle. I think women are the ultimate perpetrators of this, and any guys that do it as well have just been overly feminized and need to go out and do a few months worth of squats and cut back on their soy intake.

I'm admittedly materialistic, but towards things that break the norm. I appreciate quality and luxury; things that are handmade, took time, exhibit masterful craftsmanship. I'd say my only exception is with art; I'd rather have a commercial, mass-produced art print of a Van Gogh than an original of any modern garbage I've seen in any gallery downtown. I might not have a den full of football banners, neon beer signs, or a Harley sitting in the living room, but none of that strikes me as particularly masculine anyway. If I ever own a motorcycle, it's going to be some shit that me and some friends scrapped together, not something I went out and paid 25K for.

Quote: (07-06-2013 10:15 PM)germanico Wrote:  

The Dude: no Kerouac?

Of course, got On The Road, Dharma Bums, and Big Sur

Respect. I think we've got a lot of similar tastes and attitudes about life, Your Dudeness.

Quote: (07-06-2013 08:11 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Im single. My house is my man cave.

I think man caves are gay. It is the most beta thing imaginable to have your chick take over the whole house and then have her toss you a small room to play in.

Still - I do appreciate the funky design of some of them - it is just that it stinks of betatude.

I think people are over generalizing here. Most homes I've seen with a "man cave" are fairly generic homes with the standard mix of the mothers, fathers and kids shit but in addition to this, yes, they had their own man caves with man shit in it and usually their own shop out in their garage or backyard.

I do not think there is anything beta about mancaves, and most men don't give a fuck about the kitchen, bathroom or general living room. So a man cave is a dope spot to focus on all your hobbies and shit away from everyone else.

Quote: (07-06-2013 11:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  

I've got a 'mancave' (garage) and I've heard it all before about how it's beta to be banished from the main house. But when you've got a couple of screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses, who ruin everything they touch, I'm not worried about being 'beta' if it means I've got a safe place to keep my favourite shit.

This. I know guys with mancaves. It's for married men with kids basically. The kids are going to have their rooms done up in kid style, and that's that. The mancave is where the guy sets it up as he likes, and doesn't have to worry about it. It's not like you're going to put your tools and workshop in the living room anyway. Let the kids and wife do up the other rooms, because who cares anyway, and then have one room of your own to do as you like.

Quote: (07-06-2013 11:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  

I've got a 'mancave' (garage) and I've heard it all before about how it's beta to be banished from the main house. But when you've got a couple of screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses, who ruin everything they touch, I'm not worried about being 'beta' if it means I've got a safe place to keep my favourite shit.

Well, that presupposes having screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses. This isn't meant to be any judgement on you, but there was a time in recent history when women were expected to having a house in order with quiet, obedient children by the time dad came home. There was that Reader's Digest article from the 50's floating around the web a while ago...it got plenty of laughs and fueled plenty of hamster-spinning feminist rhetoric, but that comes from an era when men could control their own household without being labelled, well, anything. Have dinner ready, keep the kids calm, and, god forbid, put on a little makeup and a bow in your hair.

A workshop is different. That's where you build and fix things. So is a garage. That's where you work on cars and store boxes. The modern day "mancave" is built where guys hang out, as if they can't hang out in their own fucking house anymore.

Guys should be able to do whatever they want in their own household. Make noise, watch the game, have friends over and drink. If it's disruptive to the wife and kids then she can take them out of the house for the day. Even though I grew up in an environment exactly like this, even saying this stuff outloud these days sounds so shocking amidst the chatter of equality and stay-at-home dads.

I think there are still guys out there that think that co-habitation involves compromise and things being "fair". I don't believe in this at all anymore. I'm at the point where I don't trust any woman with any decision-making whatsoever. When I see evidence that they are capable otherwise I will happily change my opinion. It takes more work to run a tight household but the payoff is then it's truly your castle, and you have the reassurance of knowing that shit is done RIGHT.

My front yard when I come home from work:

Man cave... or Bang cave?

Quote: (07-07-2013 06:45 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Well, that presupposes having screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses. This isn't meant to be any judgement on you, but there was a time in recent history when women were expected to having a house in order with quiet, obedient children by the time dad came home.

This. My mom, to this day, brags that her kids never walked around food, mud, or snot on their faces, hands, or clothes. If that meant changing me and my siblings five times a day, so be it. And, even with our clean hands and clothes there were still things in the house we weren't allowed to touch. Period.

First-world women are having fewer and fewer kids--and have more and more technological advances to make their duties easier--yet their mothering skills seem to be in a constant decline.

Again, no judgment on the poster(s) above, since I think this is a society-wide trend.

Some dope man-caves in OP's picture

Mine is a work in progress

Quote: (07-07-2013 06:45 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-06-2013 11:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  

I've got a 'mancave' (garage) and I've heard it all before about how it's beta to be banished from the main house. But when you've got a couple of screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses, who ruin everything they touch, I'm not worried about being 'beta' if it means I've got a safe place to keep my favourite shit.

Well, that presupposes having screaming kids with sticky fingers and snotty noses. This isn't meant to be any judgement on you, but there was a time in recent history when women were expected to having a house in order with quiet, obedient children by the time dad came home. There was that Reader's Digest article from the 50's floating around the web a while ago...it got plenty of laughs and fueled plenty of hamster-spinning feminist rhetoric, but that comes from an era when men could control their own household without being labelled, well, anything. Have dinner ready, keep the kids calm, and, god forbid, put on a little makeup and a bow in your hair.

A workshop is different. That's where you build and fix things. So is a garage. That's where you work on cars and store boxes. The modern day "mancave" is built where guys hang out, as if they can't hang out in their own fucking house anymore.

Guys should be able to do whatever they want in their own household. Make noise, watch the game, have friends over and drink. If it's disruptive to the wife and kids then she can take them out of the house for the day. Even though I grew up in an environment exactly like this, even saying this stuff outloud these days sounds so shocking amidst the chatter of equality and stay-at-home dads.

I think there are still guys out there that think that co-habitation involves compromise and things being "fair". I don't believe in this at all anymore. I'm at the point where I don't trust any woman with any decision-making whatsoever. When I see evidence that they are capable otherwise I will happily change my opinion. It takes more work to run a tight household but the payoff is then it's truly your castle, and you have the reassurance of knowing that shit is done RIGHT.

My front yard when I come home from work:

Don't I know it! At the risk of flogging a dead horse, it's a constant, uphill battle to have even minimal expectations fulfilled, thanks to her circle of facebook friends and playgroup mums.

I don't think I expect too much - just a reasonably tidy home and to come home to a pleasant wife and a home cooked meal - but trust me guys - ANY minimum standard you demand will be resisted, and backed up with "but {insert playgroup mums name} husband cleans/cooks/looks after the kids/rubs my feet" to which the reply is always the same - "yeah...but look at him."

It's even worse online - after I had run a bout of dread game, I happened upon a forum she visits. There was a consensus - she shouldn't wait for me to leave - she should take the kids and take my worthless arse for everything it's worth. It shouldn't have, but it actually shocked me that there were so many bitches advising a perfect stranger to ruin a man, and rob his children of their father, at the mere suggestion that they could put more effort into keeping their man happy.

I'm doing OK, but a man can only do so much when it's him against the world.

Now that the rants out of the way, I don't spend too much time in the 'cave. It's only got my gym, a computer, a workbench and associated projects in it, so I don't hide out there if I could be doing whatver it is I'm doing in more hospitabel surroundings. I'm happier to go out if I want to drink or socialise - there's no strange girls to flirt with in the mancave. It's the poor bastard who's ONLY escape is his mancave that I pity. As an aside, the next time I go out and some cunt says "got a leave pass didya?" or "the missus let you out?" I'm going to glass him in the throat. They may only be joking, but the fact that he's giving it thought at all is what perpetuates it, and gives it strength.

Quote: (07-07-2013 02:04 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  

Quote: (07-06-2013 08:11 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Im single. My house is my man cave.

I think man caves are gay. It is the most beta thing imaginable to have your chick take over the whole house and then have her toss you a small room to play in.

Still - I do appreciate the funky design of some of them - it is just that it stinks of betatude.

I think people are over generalizing here. Most homes I've seen with a "man cave" are fairly generic homes with the standard mix of the mothers, fathers and kids shit but in addition to this, yes, they had their own man caves with man shit in it and usually their own shop out in their garage or backyard.

I do not think there is anything beta about mancaves, and most men don't give a fuck about the kitchen, bathroom or general living room. So a man cave is a dope spot to focus on all your hobbies and shit away from everyone else.

My thoughts exactly.

It all depends on how your living situation is. If a girl moves into your place then things are very different from when you and her buy a house together and decorate it together.

Quote: (07-07-2013 07:37 PM)LooTa Wrote:  

It's even worse online - after I had run a bout of dread game, I happened upon a forum she visits. There was a consensus - she shouldn't wait for me to leave - she should take the kids and take my worthless arse for everything it's worth.

Not too familiar with your posts around the forum, but, well, not sure what to tell you man. You got that aussie flag in your sig so I've got no doubts as to the type of woman you're with. You can't exactly tell a man to walk out on his kids but...

...get out.

Just the term "man-cave" is a way of feminizing men.

It sounds funny for a reason...