http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/101...ssons.html


Author writes with "I'm too cool for this" tone then drops some truth:

So why was I there then? Hmmm? HMMMMM?

Well, because I am a complex lady, it was part holier-than-thou curiosity, and part the fear that I’m going to die alone because I don’t know how to give a competent blow job. Which is probably one of the bad reasons for going I mentioned earlier.



She continues:

The only thing I will say is that I’ve always held the attitude that if a man is lucky enough to be in bed with me, he should be happy just to be there. Sometimes I even try and convince myself that what is fundamentally laziness on my part is some sort of feminist stance. Which is obviously rubbish.



And yes, before you ask, I’d definitely chuck someone if they refused to go down on me. Like I said, I’m a complex lady.


Anyone here feel lucky if they could get her in the sack?


Anyone?


Bueller?


Anyone?


Hey, is anyone out there?

Women overestimate their sexual appeal by orders of magnitude. This delusion of grandeur has this particular woman believing a guy should be happy just to have a chance to be in bed with her, it's incredible.

Very true, they think so highly of themselves when the big BIG majority is really crappy in bed. Some women are good but they are rare, but they ALL think they're great

Agreed Teutatis, I don't know if it's just me, but most women seem to be really shitty giving handjobs, it's like they have no clue whatsoever, they either do it way too hard, or way too slow, it's like wtf lol

Guys that complain girls suck in bed are missing the point.

You get the girl with a hot tight pussy, great bod, cute face and a willingness to learn. You get this type of girl, you have zero excuses, no cause for complaint.

I teach girls how to give me BJs, just like i teach them handjobs, just like I teach them anything else in bed that I like.

Playful dominance, gentle commanding tone, having a big dick also helps as it aesthetically looks better from the girl's perspective to wrap her mouth around it.

I'm sure the next guy will thank me for all the skills training and investment time I pump into these girls before passing them on, releasing them back into the wild.


"Yo pussy game is on a WHOLE 'NOTHER LEVEL. Who taught you??"

"Que enspastic taught me"

I know guys that won;t reload on girls.

When they tell me this, I just imagine them nutting in a hideous fatty that no guy would ever want to see again.

The fly girls go into the rotation. Give them a starting position on the team, you're the manager that gives them the chance to play and hone their sex game.

Quote: (07-03-2013 10:42 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

I teach girls how to give me BJs, just like i teach them handjobs, just like I teach them anything else in bed that I like.

Playful dominance, gentle commanding tone,

*Always* take control. Back in the early days of blowjobs I was subjected to teeth scraping, vice grip ball squeezing, or girls sucking hard enough to break the skin. I'm convinced women's magazines have a feminist agenda given half the godawful tricks from 'how to drive your man wild with your mouth' articles seem designed to kill your buzz and maim your dick.

Never leave them to their own devices with your cock. The advice they've had is generalised, which is why the training this article describes is useless. You know exactly what your cock likes. Some blokes might even like the teeth.

I always let them do their thing for a minute or so, then stop them. Bemused tone, playful dominance: "Stop stop. What on earth are you doing?" You're the father who has just come in to find them drawing on the walls with crayon.

They'll get hurt and defensive. I've actually told a few outright that "You're really, really bad at that" or "Whatever that was, it was awful".

Before they have a chance to lose their shit - (and if they do you delivered it with too serious a tone) - step up and say "Listen to me" - now you're serious and mean business - dominant eye contact, don't break it - cradle her head with one hand, put your dick back in her mouth and train her to do it exactly how you like it. Talk her through slowly every step of the way.

Another line I've used, firm command tone: "Do exactly as I tell you. This is about my pleasure, not yours." That one usually leads to a girl swallowing.

Yeah, it sounds like a big risk, but I really bloody hate bad head that much. Why settle for it?

This truly amazing quote is from another thread (thread-28067...#pid533720) but is relevant here:

Quote: (09-13-2013 07:21 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

In a good cocksucking school, the bitches would not be allowed to leave their knees for the duration of the class. If they're going to be taught, they must never handle a cock from a meaningless seated or standing position. The lugubrious submission of a woman sinking to her knees as she then sticks her ass out and assumes a moderate lordotic position is the source from which all truly luscious cocksucking must spring. Without it, there is only the excessive movement and pretentiousness which turns a female into a monkey, an annoying and sexually useless creature.

A good first class would have no dildos or any such ludicrous aids at all. The women would simply be taught, again and again and again, how to sink to their knees. Of course no sexual beauty needs to be taught this, but for others, this gravest of erotic movements that must possess both a terrible heft and a terrible swiftness, is something they might well work on perfecting.

Apart from the fact that YOU should be the one teaching your girl to suck and swallow the way YOU like it, I'm a firm (heh) believer that most if not all blowjobs should be given with you standing (or leaning with your back to the wall) and your girl down on her knees. Yes, I've had blowjobs where I'm lying on my back in bed or while sitting on the couch with her kneeling between my legs, but nothing else comes close to demonstrating your dominance than her dropping to her knees while you remain fully straight standing up. Only in this position are you towering above her while she has to bend her neck to look all the way up at you.

In the last LTR I had, I would make sure there were regular occasions where she got on her knees and was blowing me, less than 60 seconds after entering my apartment. The way I did this was as follows:

I would make her wait outside my house door a bit longer than usual making her think something was wrong, then suddenly open the door violently, grabbing her waist and pulling her in, and shutting the door. Then press her body against the closed door and make out really pasionately and grope her all over her body. (If she kissed me back the same intense way I knew she would be ready to do what I wanted.) Then I would order her to get on her knees. She still would have her shoes and coat on and her purse had dropped off her shoulder, but would be already sucking me off right next to my closed housedoor before even entering any other room. She loved the raw untamed animal passion of this sort of thing and it made her feel desired in a way she never had before. Also, it made her love to obey and comply.

The point is, blowjobs aren't just about her technique, but also about your dominance and her submission, compliance, and how far she is willing to ignore everything else on a moments notice and drop down all the way to please you.

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The only thing I will say is that I’ve always held the attitude that if a man is lucky enough to be in bed with me, he should be happy just to be there.

And they get snooty with men for daring to bring 1950s attitudes into the 2010s.

Newsflash, dear: first wave feminism might have been the Great Vagina Marxist Uprising of 1960, but third wave feminism has been the Great Pussy Market Deregulation Act of 2000. You wanted equality and the freedom to fuck as far and wide as possible without wifing up; you got it. Unfortunately for you, there are plenty of women out there who respond to biological imperatives and actually are willing to go down on a man, so we suggest you make yourself intimately acquainted with the phrase "Go fuck yourself" -- because nobody else will.

EDIT: I notice from the article that all the participants in the class were in their thirties and all in "long term relationships" -- note no indication of marriage there. And she even intuits that there's a sort of sex arms race going on that you're nothing if you're not sexy.

Again, this plays into my point: marriage and traditional family values gave people something other than sexual pleasure as a powerful reason to commit to one another. Thanks to feminism and its explicit desire to destroy the nuclear family, it has reduced women to sex slaves, competing with one another to hold onto men past the age of 30. I don't think you can overestimate the significance of the age group of the women: all either at Wall impact or over it, and suddenly they realise they have to spice things up a bit. What's not being said is unconscious competition: none of them presumably have gotten their "partner" to commit to them, and they're all conscious of sagging tits and sallow skin, so they think they can compensate for the failure of their looks via sexual technique.

I don't know about you, but even if a woman can tie a fucking eyelash three times with her tongue, it doesn't make up for a shit body and shittier attitude.

If the woman is really hot, BJ technique is not that important, as long as the basics are there. I've had fairly long relationships with at least three gorgeous women (not at the same time, lol) and my physical interest in them never did wane with time into the relationship. They did not have to blow me like a whore or a faggot for me to enjoy it. A lot of the fun in those was situational, the unexpected pouncing at the library, while behind the wheel, visit at the office, underwater or on a long redeye flight.

Quote: (10-17-2015 09:44 PM)MTLer Wrote:  

If the woman is really hot, BJ technique is not that important....

There's a scam somewhere.

MTLer has got to be a woman.

There is just no way you can write that paragraph and be a man.

Going out with "gorgeous" women, not caring about blowjob technique.

I understand, that as a woman, too you, it doesn't make a difference, because you're the one giving head, but no matter how hot the girl is, form and technique matter.


Sometimes it even comes down to enthusiasm in the moment, and the same girl might give good head one day, but not on another day when she's feeling lazy, us men can actually tell when your not fully committed to the "job".


Take your Islamic apologizing, woman ass, somewhere else.

Quote: (10-18-2015 12:49 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

I understand, that as a woman, too you, it doesn't make a difference, because you're the one giving head, but no matter how hot the girl is, form and technique matter.

Exactly. I've gotten abrasions on my cock from overenthusiastic, terrible head, where she was sucking it like she was trying to suck the chrome off a tailpipe.

Put me out of action for a week and required anti-bacterial cream from the doctor to help heal up.

The doc said "Part of me wants to ask for her number, the other part wants to run for the hills."

#TeamForm&Technique

How timely. I read this yesterday and was trying to figure out whether it was worthy of its own thread. It seems the fates have decided...

ESQUIRE MAGAZINE: THE DEATH OF THE BLOWJOB AND THE RISE OF CUNNILINGUS

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/a13...wjob-0412/

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The blowjob has fallen on hard times. Or, to put it in the form of a crude question, who can really get it up for fellatio these days? Back in the 1960s and '70s, fellatio was all the rage. Its curative powers are powerfully conveyed by the moment in John Updike's Bech when the protagonist's mistress tries "to bring his weakling member to strength by wrapping it in the velvet bandages of her lips." Abandoning the protective modesty of fiction in the poem "Fellatio," Updike celebrated the way "that each of these clean secretaries / at night, to please her lover, takes / a fountain into her mouth."


When I first came across these lines, in 1972, aged fourteen, they seemed excitingly rude — if a little yucky. Now, a harmless poem can't be expected to support a zeitgeisty theory, but something, evidently, was in the air: 1972 was the year of Deep Throat, about a woman with a clitoris in her throat, so that she achieves orgasm by performing oral sex. In retrospect, this seems like a premise dreamed up by feminists as a way of showing, in ludicrously exaggerated fashion, the underlying misogyny of male fantasies. Or maybe not so exaggerated after all. At roughly the same time, a joke made the rounds about the ideal woman being three feet tall with a flat head — so you'd have someplace to rest your beer while she gave you head. One way or another, the early '70s were a time when the culture was bigging up the blowjob. Tellingly, Bech's mistress was "following less her own instincts than the exemplary drift of certain contemporary novels."

Some of this enthusiasm lived on into the late twentieth century. In 1995's To Die For, Nicole Kidman reacts with disingenuous astonishment to the story of how a famous broadcaster got her big break because a self-penned reference commended her ability to "suck your cock till your eyes pop out!" (Shouldn't that read "cave in" or "implode"?) In the same year, there's a fun exchange in Martin Amis's The Information in which a male character proposes to a lady friend that they "do 68." What's that? she asks. "You do me and I owe you 1," he shoots back. Later in the novel, the humiliation of failed writer Richard Tull is complete when his wife fellates his rival, the successful Gwyn Barry.

If this all seems rather quaint, then Susan Minot's 2002 novella, Rapture — about a single blowjob — was perhaps a last, jaw-aching hurrah. A genuinely twenty-first-century spokesman can be found in Jonathan Franzen's Freedom, in the form of young Joey Berglund, whose sexual maturity — compared with the guys he's at college with — is conveyed simply and vehemently. Their yearnings center on the blowjob, which Joey considers "little more than a glorified jerkoff."

I recently undertook a small survey of some more mature male friends, and the results, while not unanimous, were overwhelming. To speak plainly, given the choice, eight of the ten men surveyed preferred eating pussy to having their dicks sucked. Or, to put it in entirely numerical terms, 80 percent of males would opt for a 70 rather than a 68. And what about the other two men? Yes, you guessed it: They're gay! To be strictly accurate, the heterosexual respondents were partial to this kind of thing — but only in the mathematically blissful reciprocity of 70 minus 1. The gob-job continues to thrive in hetero pornography, of course, for the simple — literally obvious — reason that it lends itself to being filmed in a way that cunnilingus cannot.

I'm not claiming that the latter did not exist back in the 1970s, but it was regarded in much the same way as paying for a round at the bar: You had to do it, but if you could avoid it, you did. It would be a mistake, though, to see this change as meaning that men have gone from being selfish recipients to selfless givers of pleasure; it's just that what constitutes pleasure has shifted. As the Michael Fassbender character in Shame says to a woman he's seducing in a bar by telling her how badly he wants to go down on her (before getting beaten up by her boyfriend): "That's what I like to do."

The scale of the sea change can be observed at the Great Canadian Beaver-Eating Contest, at Burning Man, an event so popular that participants line up as if for a half-off sale. In the more discreet context of my survey, this enthusiasm was endorsed by the respondent who claimed that the only time he experienced "absolute contentment" was when his face was between his wife's legs. He wished to make clear that he was not talking just about sex; he meant in life generally.

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I recently undertook a small survey of some more mature male friends, and the results, while not unanimous, were overwhelming. To speak plainly, given the choice, eight of the ten men surveyed preferred eating pussy to having their dicks sucked.

The author. I can imagine his social circle.

As usual, the Russians are way better at it... Moscow BJ school:

thread-28067.html

You can include eating butt into the mix nowadays.

http://icangivehead.com/

Women don't understand how much power they can have over a man if they learn to give incredible head.

For a long time I couldn't cum that way, until my late 20's! I told my LTR at the time I had never been able to cum that way and joked I was still a "virgin" in that respect.

Hearing that must've put her over the edge because it then became a mission to her. On her own, she bought a book and studied. One night she gave me the most amazing BJ I had ever experienced and I finally came. Windows were open and I think the whole neighborhood heard. After it was over she sat up, wiped her lips, and said with a smile, "Now you're mine".

And she was right. It was hard to cum that way with other girls after that. There have been a few girls that came close to that level on their own, but most would need to be taught what to do. Wish I took note at the time of what book that was so I could just have future girls read it.