You guys saying this isnt terrorism are puzzling the hell out of me... They just beheaded an unsuspecting civilian in broad daylight in LONDON. In front of women and children.

"Oh but he was a soldier."

Fuck off - the dude was walking around in London and was no more a "soldier" at that moment than the little old lady across the street.

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You guys saying this isnt terrorism are puzzling the hell out of me... They just beheaded an unsuspecting civilian in broad daylight in LONDON. In front of women and children.

"Oh but he was a soldier."

Fuck off - the dude was walking around in London and was no more a "soldier" at that moment than the little old lady across the street.

I condemn ALL religion - that nonsense is for goddamn weaklings - but Islam takes the cake.

If Britian had no gun control, do you think this event would have been much worse?

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

They told us what their motive was.

http://marchessini.co.uk/blog

By the way for UK guys, check out the old geezers blog above, the guy is red pill politician

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

Are you kidding? We heard their motives.

Haha Marchessini is getting dissed in the media today, him donating to UKIP is most probably why he's being targeted. Although, he has made himself a target for the establishment with such gems as this:

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Since the beginning of time, women have dressed to please men.
Everyone knows that. Yet, in the last 30 years, they have stopped doing so, and they are wearing clothes not on the basis of what is attractive to men, but for political reasons, in order to pretend that they are the same as men. They do not realise how much that turns men off.

and

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Feminists have convinced women that if they make love with a man, and it is not satisfactory, then it must have been rape. Of course, such allegations cannot be taken seriously, and they do great harm by persuading women that they have been “raped” when they have not.

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:50 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

They told us what their motive was.

http://marchessini.co.uk/blog

By the way for UK guys, check out the old geezers blog above, the guy is red pill politician

Really great blog!

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:37 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

Are you kidding? We heard their motives.

So there motive was to kill a guy because he was a solider.. I need to hear more before I take this seriously.
I wanna know what motivates someone to kill a random solider on the street. I want to know what went threw their minds at the time and made them select the guy they did.

I think they just targeted a random soldier. Which is easy to do since the attack was just outside an army barracks. And the soldier was wearing a 'Help For Heroes' T Shirt.

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:43 AM)Millz Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:37 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

Are you kidding? We heard their motives.

So there motive was to kill a guy because he was a solider.. I need to hear more before I take this seriously.
I wanna know what motivates someone to kill a random solider on the street. I want to know what went threw their minds at the time and made them select the guy they did.

Yes, they targeted a soldier in retaliation for perceived grievances relating to the British presence in "Muslim lands". He rolled with Anjem Choudry's lot for a while, and that ideology is their raison d'etre.

On a side note, my facebook feed is full of apologists. It's making me mad. It's all trendy and cool to tear Christianity to shreds, but it's 'racist' to suggest that the Islamic religion played a part in this murder? That's why I have big respect for Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris - they treat Islam the same way they do Christianity, get called Islamophobic but continue regardless, and their critics fail to see how ridiculous that charge is.

Serious question. Why are we in Afghanistan?

And if the removal of the Taliban has anything to do with it - then why are we withdrawing soon and are going to hand the country back to the Taliban? This is offical US/UK policy.

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:51 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, they targeted a soldier in retaliation for perceived grievances relating to the British presence in "Muslim lands". He rolled with Anjem Choudry's lot for a while, and that ideology is their raison d'etre..

Last year in France, the same type of petty criminal who turned to salafism killed seven people, included two soldiers and three jewish children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_an..._shootings

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:05 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Serious question. Why are we in Afghanistan?

And if the removal of the Taliban has anything to do with it - then why are we withdrawing soon and are going to hand the country back to the Taliban? This is offical US/UK policy.

I suspect a variety of reasons, none of which are to do with the Taliban. Pipelines are one reason, geopolitical strategy reasons (establishing a base of operations close to Russia/China) are another. There's probably a few more too.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:10 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:51 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, they targeted a soldier in retaliation for perceived grievances relating to the British presence in "Muslim lands". He rolled with Anjem Choudry's lot for a while, and that ideology is their raison d'etre..

Last year in France, the same type of petty criminal who turned to salafism killed seven people, included two soldiers and three jewish children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_an..._shootings

How was it reported in France? Was it all 'avoid stepping on eggshells' type stuff like we get here?

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

The motive is most likely a wild mix of frustration, anger due to social isolation, lack of acceptance by society, lack of prospects, mental problems etc etc etc.... look at Stockholm, look at the youths from immigrant families beating innocent people to death on subways and public places in Berlin etc...


There is a growing young uneducated underclass with an immigrant background in Europe.... they will use any pretense to vent their anger. This would have happened even if Britain wasn't in Afghanistan.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:05 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Serious question. Why are we in Afghanistan?

And if the removal of the Taliban has anything to do with it - then why are we withdrawing soon and are going to hand the country back to the Taliban? This is offical US/UK policy.

I think that we've more or less come to the realization that a traditional land force is not the way to go over there.

We're going all "Munich" with our special ops / drones which is more effective and cost efficient.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:14 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:05 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Serious question. Why are we in Afghanistan?

And if the removal of the Taliban has anything to do with it - then why are we withdrawing soon and are going to hand the country back to the Taliban? This is offical US/UK policy.

I suspect a variety of reasons, none of which are to do with the Taliban. Pipelines are one reason, geopolitical strategy reasons (establishing a base of operations close to Russia/China) are another. There's probably a few more too.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:10 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Quote: (05-23-2013 09:51 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Yes, they targeted a soldier in retaliation for perceived grievances relating to the British presence in "Muslim lands". He rolled with Anjem Choudry's lot for a while, and that ideology is their raison d'etre..

Last year in France, the same type of petty criminal who turned to salafism killed seven people, included two soldiers and three jewish children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_an..._shootings

How was it reported in France? Was it all 'avoid stepping on eggshells' type stuff like we get here?

I watched the NBC Nightly news here in US and I don't think they mentioned the words "Muslim" or "Islam" once. Political correctness.

I can understand the geopolitical reasons for being in Afhganistan. But - the narrative we are sold by out gorvernment is full of holes.

It is understandable that people get angry over this shit. The same with the drone attacks by the US government. That is some pretty evil shit. Imagine how you would feel if your family were bombed and killed at a wedding because of some mistaken intelligence. Or even if the intelligence were correct. Resulting in 1 dead (suspected) terrorist and dozens of 'collateral damage' (ie innocent victims).

I can see why this pisses people off in the third world. They must feel like John Connor and The Resistance fighting Skynet.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:14 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

How was it reported in France? Was it all 'avoid stepping on eggshells' type stuff like we get here?

No. All medias said that he was a hateful, racist and anti semitist self-styled jihadist sociopath with a terror agenda, period.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:35 AM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

I think that we've more or less come to the realization that a traditional land force is not the way to go over there.

The recent war in Mali, where some 4000 french troops were sent, was a REAL success. There was very violent close-quarters combats, all successful, notably near Diabali where about 1200 well-armed and war-experienced jihadists held the whole region. If the french army had not stopped Aqmi's offensive, no one would have done it. Bamako would be now runned by the jihadists and all Mali would have turned into a haven for guerillas and terror organizations.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:45 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

I can see why this pisses people off in the third world. They must feel like John Connor and The Resistance fighting Skynet.

I agree that drones are highly questionable, but psychologically speaking, it's harder to "attach blame" and hatred to an "intangible" force like a drone that you never see or hear. It's almost like "God" dropped it. The Afghans/Libyans/etc. can attach our name to it and talk about how awful it is (I agree it can be awful) but it's still a tough task - it's just the way that humans are wired. Seeing tanks and uniformed troops in your country for 10 or 20 years is a lot more tangible than a drone.

My muslims (macedonian) cleaners take on this:

"The witnesses lie. No way were these guys muslims. If they were, they had a good reason."


Someone's getting the sack in a bit.

Quote: (05-23-2013 10:45 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

I can understand the geopolitical reasons for being in Afhganistan. But - the narrative we are sold by out gorvernment is full of holes.

It is understandable that people get angry over this shit. The same with the drone attacks by the US government. That is some pretty evil shit. Imagine how you would feel if your family were bombed and killed at a wedding because of some mistaken intelligence. Or even if the intelligence were correct. Resulting in 1 dead (suspected) terrorist and dozens of 'collateral damage' (ie innocent victims).

I can see why this pisses people off in the third world. They must feel like John Connor and The Resistance fighting Skynet.

Fuck them. Perhaps the "innocents" should stop attending the weddings of terrorists?

Quote: (05-23-2013 08:21 AM)Millz Wrote:  

This event is just going to cause more segregation than there already is in London.
The racist ignorant comments from white people on twitter amazed me this morning. I don't care if the guy was a solider or if the guys were black/muslim I want to know their motive for beheading another human being.
We will never know the true story because the gatekeeping abilities of the media are too strong.

seriously u are joking sir. Using the word "racist" haphazardly like u do these days is pretty blue pill too. The spread of Wahabbi fanatic Islam is a major issue. Our feckless, irresponsible left-wing press are party to blame (u know the ones like in the BBC who call Middle Eastern thugs "Asian youths'...). The lefty press will do whatever they can to equivocate and ask 'what could we have done to better integrate these people' when the truth is many times they don't want to integrate and the West's constant placating them is seen as weakness and a signal to be even more aggressive.

Quote: (05-23-2013 01:06 PM)Akula Wrote:  

seriously u are joking sir. Using the word "racist" haphazardly like u do these days is pretty blue pill too. The spread of Wahabbi fanatic Islam is a major issue. Our feckless, irresponsible left-wing press are party to blame (u know the ones like in the BBC who call Middle Eastern thugs "Asian youths'...). The lefty press will do whatever they can to equivocate and ask 'what could we have done to better integrate these people' when the truth is many times they don't want to integrate and the West's constant placating them is seen as weakness and a signal to be even more aggressive.

To be fair, in the UK, there isn't a sizeable Middle Eastern population, all our Muslims come from Pakistan/Bangladesh really and they refer to themselves as "Asians". For example Amir Khan, the boxer, is called a "British Asian" or a "British Pakistani". We also have a growing number of Somalians, who are Muslim, and they are the worst group of people living in the UK today. However, Yes, I agree that they should be called 'Muslim Gangs' because calling them 'Asian Gangs' or whatever fuels distrust of others who are called 'Asian' over here, like Indian Sikhs/Hindus. People who are East Asian, what in America are known as "Asians", are basically always just called Chinese over here. Doesn't matter if they're Thai, Korean etc, it's just "chinese".

You're spot on about WahabbiS and to a lesser extent, Salafists, they actively promote NON-integration. I've said it before, the sooner Saudi runs out of oil or loses it's influence another way the better for everyone.