I hear alot of the armchair analysts on the internet have called out Justin Beiber for being a beta but this article proved to me that he is no beta.

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Rumors are swirling that Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez may be reconciling once again, but the question of why they broke up in the first place has never been answered -- until now.

Life & Style would like you to believe that Gomez, 20, called off her two year relationship with the 18-year-old pop star after she found out Bieber had cheated on her with Rihanna during the early stages of their relationship.

We'll let you pause for a moment to catch your breath from laughing so hard, but a friend of Gomez's told the magazine that news of the alleged affair has "devastated her."

"It really cut like a knife because it happened in February of 2011, when Selena and Justin had been dating for months and were falling in love. It’s caused Selena to question their entire relationship," the source told Life & Style.

According to the friend, Bieber and Rihanna hooked up after an evening of flirting at the NBA All-Stars game in February 2011. While it's true that Bieber and Rihanna were spotted sitting next to each other, allegations that the two hooked up seem more than dubious. Given the timeline, Bieber would have been a week shy of his 17th birthday, while Rihanna would have been 22. Plus, (for whatever reason) Bieber is good friends with Chris Brown, and we doubt their friendship would have survived if the Biebs hooked up with Brown's ex-girlfriend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06...30695.html

So the 17 year old bangs a 22 year old, the same woman who went back to her abusive boyfriend. Apparently Rihanna has always loved alphas a lot so her hooking with Beiber (a young Beiber too) solidifies his alpha creds. I'm guessing his public persona is all an act and he swims in pussy.

I'm glad to hear Bieber's ball finally dropped.

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allegations that the two hooked up seem more than dubious

Indeed. I'm not buying it.

Justin Bieber is not an alpha. He is a famous pretty boy whose entire persona has been carefully designed by his handlers. He has a sickly, underdeveloped looking body for a male of his age. He has yet to demonstrate any kind of actual creative musical ability or talent. He just sings the songs and does the dances that his people tell him to do. He is a male Britney Spears. Altogether, he is less masculine than most lesbians, including Ellen.

If you think Justin Bieber is an alpha, you have a very warped and infantile definition of the term, one that is far too weighted on how women react to a man than on how a man carries himself.

In my book, an alpha is feared and respected by men, and loved and respected by women.

I don't think any man fears or respects a "man" like Bieber who has the body of a 12 year old boy. And frankly, I don't think women respect him either, because he has zero masculine energy. They just love him, and even then, they don't really love him, they love Justin Bieber, the famous teen pop singer that is world famous.

More than anything else, Justin Bieber is a great example of the unbelievable power of fame game in our vapid, celebrity-obsessed culture.

I doubt that and still beliebe that he's not an alpha. He is the product of good managers, Scooter Braun is a very smart man. While yes he is surrounded by big stars, he still acts beta when compared to them. He sent Selena Gomez 500 phone calls trying to get together, and he's only been with Selena and another nonfamous fatty. He could be banging a ton of random groupies like the members of other boybands like The Wanted and One Direction but he doesn't. This is due to the fact that he was raised by a single mother courtesy of Canadian welfare, and was made to respect Christian values and respect females. He tried hooking up with Taylor Swift by using beta game praising her as a woman, this doesn't work, it's widely known that Swift only falls for real alpha game.

He is lucky to have a good management team taking care of his finances and taking care of his image. His managers have managed to get him to successfully invest in SV tech startups, which will probably help him in the future.

I doubt that he will disappear, I still question his skill to become similar to other teenage stars into a successful adult career ala MJ, Usher and Timberlake but his management team will manage to successfully take care of him.

SMH

I don't know anything about Justin Beiber's behavior. I also have nothing to add to this thread. I just wanted to publically state that I don't know anything about Justin Beiber.

Remember when everyone thought Ricky Martin was a real ladies man? Look at what happened there. I predict Beiber will go down the same road.

Quote: (02-07-2013 01:27 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Justin Bieber is not an alpha. He is a famous pretty boy whose entire persona has been carefully designed by his handlers. He has a sickly, underdeveloped looking body for a male of his age. He has yet to demonstrate any kind of actual creative musical ability or talent. He just sings the songs and does the dances that his people tell him to do. He is a male Britney Spears. Altogether, he is less masculine than most lesbians, including Ellen.

If you think Justin Bieber is an alpha, you have a very warped and infantile definition of the term, one that is far too weighted on how women react to a man than on how a man carries himself.

In my book, an alpha is feared and respected by men, and loved and respected by women.

I don't think any man fears or respects a "man" like Bieber who has the body of a 12 year old boy. And frankly, I don't think women respect him either, because he has zero masculine energy. They just love him, and even then, they don't really love him, they love Justin Bieber, the famous teen pop singer that is world famous.

More than anything else, Justin Bieber is a great example of the unbelievable power of fame game in our vapid, celebrity-obsessed culture.

I like your comments here. but the whole question of what constitutes alpha/beta is really strange.

"fear and respect" is just a different form of social status from attention for singing catchy tunes and dancing. Who really cares?

Warriors get laid, musicians/entertainers get laid. Human social reality is too complex to put men into two brackets.

Surely any 'alpha' must be able to strike awe/fear/respect into the hearts of other men. He might get chicks, but he'd be dominated in almost any masculine setting.

Quote: (02-07-2013 06:56 AM)LooTa Wrote:  

Surely any 'alpha' must be able to strike awe/fear/respect into the hearts of other men. He might get chicks, but he'd be dominated in almost any masculine setting.

I guess. it depends on what "alpha" means. as far as someone into game, and pickup, having sex with attractive women is the main concern.

Man is everyone fucking alpha these days on this forum?

Biebs is cool. Hilarious that guys older than 13 hate on the most famous young singer in the world.

So Chris Brown is Beta. His girl is a 7-11 and every one of his peers is going to fuck her, if not already, but eventually with Brown still cuddling her in public and stuff - its quite pathetic.

Bieber and Drake both fuked Rhianna, but it's quite obvious she is the town slut in that industry/circle. You never need that much game to fuck those sluts just an opportunity to do so.

Hahaha did he fuck pull Rhianna. No chance.

I hesitate to admit this but I did once watch a documentary about the Biebs--I was abroad, there were only two English channels, I was desperate.

Anyway, the dude carries himself like a superstar. He was gregarious and interesting in all the behind-the-scenes shots. Everyone's eyes were on him, even when he was just relaxing, and he was constantly telling people what to do. Not in a bratty way, IIRC, but like a guy who understood he was on top.

Remember, the kid became world famous in his early teens. His personality was still very much in flux then. Don't underestimate the power of all that fame to turn an average kid into a cocky, entitled man.

(And never mind that he must've been pretty charming and confident to become famous in the first place.)

Edit: Check out this vid of Biebs riding a Segway to escape a mob of bitches. This type of shit changes you.






You think you'd have approach anxiety after that?

I don't doubt Bierbler fucked Rihanna, it wouldn't be a hard pull for him. The fact that Biebler had enough balls to cheat suggest he might not be a totally whipped Beta as we thought. We cannot judge him to be beta merely because he lacks muscle and acts a pussy on tv. Bare in mind he has to portray that personality to keep raking in the dough. We'd have to know how he acts behind closed doors. I don't think he is a total whipped clueless beta but I don't think he is the brimming definition of alpha male.

If Biebler is a rich 17 y/o kid with a girlfriend older than him and allegedely fucked another. For a 17 year old, he isn't doing to bad. Plenty of 17 year olds are still trying to find their dicks.

I never understood how dumb people could become beta. I agree with Roosh's post that smart people often have trouble understanding game (ie the nerd). But dumb people are dumb because they more or less don't give a shit. It is highly correlated with alpha behaviour (I'm not trying to say alphas are dumb) of not giving a shit what women think or do. This is why the football player who doesn't give a fuck about his books is likely to do well with the women, he doesn't care about books, doesn't care about women, only cares about football.

Quote: (02-06-2013 11:54 PM)jammer Wrote:  

I hear alot of the armchair analysts on the internet have called out Justin Beiber for being a beta but this article proved to me that he is no beta.

Extreme fame may even trump game so it's hard to judge. And, really, is there anything to gleam from Bieber that would be applicable for regular guys?

Quote: (02-07-2013 07:58 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Biebs is cool. Hilarious that guys older than 13 hate on the most famous young singer in the world.

I'm not hating on him, just on the idea that he should be considered alpha.

That being said, I wouldn't call the kid a beta, either. He occupies a unique territory in the fame game as a teeny bopper. He can generate massive female attraction without exhibiting any masculine traits whatsoever. In fact, the only reason the hustle works at all is because he has no masculine traits. The moment these teeny boppers turn into actual men, they become more threatening, and can't be so easily pedestalized by their legion of young female fans.

If we are going to call Bieber alpha then we might as well call every cat who ever appeared on the cover of Tiger Beat an alpha as well.

Scorpion: I think the problem is that you're holding him to a standard of an adult man. He's a kid. Were you more "alpha" than him when you were his age?

Manufactured or not, he's holding his own. He has some swag, can sing, can dance, can perform in front of large audiences. He hasn't broken down or whined about life and women (e.g. Drake). I like the kid and hope he bangs all the groupies he can handle.

Even if a lot of us were given his "handlers", we wouldn't make it to his level. He has natural star ability.

Quote: (02-07-2013 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Scorpion: I think the problem is that you're holding him to a standard of an adult man. He's a kid. Were you more "alpha" than him when you were his age?

Manufactured or not, he's holding his own. He has some swag, can sing, can dance, can perform in front of large audiences. He hasn't broken down or whined about life and women (e.g. Drake). I like the kid and hope he bangs all the groupies he can handle.

Even if a lot of us were given his "handlers", we wouldn't make it to his level. He has natural star ability.

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. He's very successful at what he's doing. Even though he is manufactured, he is adept at performing and playing the role of the teen star. I wish him well personally and can't hate on him for taking advantage of the situation he is in.

But like you said, you can't compare him to the standard of an adult man...which is why I can't see how he would be considered an alpha. He's just a teenage kid who can sing and dance who is riding a massive wave of fame. And when we say "alpha" we are abbreviating for the term "alpha male". Which I why I can't accept categorizing any guy with zero masculinity as an alpha. I'm really not trying to put the kid down or hate on him, or denying that he is appealing to young women. I'm just saying that the term "alpha male" doesn't accurately describe him. He's a teen idol. It's just a totally different category of appeal to women than that of the alpha male.

Is Justin Bieber an alpha? Right now, no. But in 5-10 years, if he is still around and balling hard, the answer may be yes.

Will Bieber be the next:



Or will he be the next:



Only time will tell. Until then, I hope he is scoring mad groupie puss.

I have no opinion on Justin Beiber, but I can guarantee you he's probably slept with hotter girls than anyone on this board. Good for him.

his demographic is preteen girls. but as his fans get older they will move away from him. i dont see his popularity continuing much longer.

On a Chris Brown album he tries his hand at rapping with a load of black dudes. It's fucking shite.