Direct is great. I have done hundreds of direct approaches in the streets. Its a fast way to screen chicks.
If its on its really ON. I have met chicks rigiht at my place and went straight to bed with them, after a 5 min interaction the day before.

On the other hand I have done indirect approaches and spent 20 minutes talking about art and more crap I dont care about. And when I made my intentions clear the girl said she had a BF and just took of. Thats the beauty of direct you can avoid situations like that.

Interestingly solid direct game works better on hotter chicks since they are not used to being treated that way. If you can roll up to a HOT chick in broad daylight, sober and bring a confident direct opener she will be stunned and often times you hear that nobody ever approached her like that.

Quote: (12-26-2012 01:07 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I'm trying to understand your point? Can you give an example of how going direct has caused you to do more work..?

The amount of approaches I have to do to bang one girl when being direct will probably get me laid with about five girls when going indirect.

In general, I also experience much more flakiness from direct approaches than from indirect approaches.

Also, as said before, if you live in a relatively small community, too many direct approaches can easily earn you an unwanted reputation, so if you're going to do them, make sure you live in a big city.

This is not to say one should not do direct approaches, just that they're not the magic pill that guys like Sasha Daygame or Simple Pickup preach.

Then again, directness can have different resullts depending on what country you live in. I can imagine women in some cultures react more positively to it than others.

Quote: (12-26-2012 03:54 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

The amount of approaches I have to do to bang one girl when being direct will probably get me laid with about five girls when going indirect.

In general, I also experience much more flakiness from direct approaches than from indirect approaches.

Could it be that your direct game is simply not as good as your indirect game? Maybe, your personality is more suited for indirect? Maybe, your culture is more suited for indirect? Maybe, you just have alot more experience and practice with indirect?

Just because your indirect game is more effective then your direct game doesn't mean that everyone will have the same results as you.

We all have our own styles and techniques. For you, indirect works better. That doesn't mean indirect is better for everyone, it only means indirect is better for you.

General statements like "direct is more work for less results" is really just a reflection of your own personal experience. It's not a true-ism or golden rule that all of us should follow.

I'm sure if you only focused on direct game for a year or 2, your direct game would get better and produce better results. I'm not saying you should do that, I'm only suggesting that your opinion is a reflection of your personal experience, as is mine. I get a good response from direct day game. Getting the bang is no more work then if I went indirect. I don't have to do any extra approaches.

I can't say that one method is any better or less laborious then the other. I can only say to use the one that works for you. I would never say that my way is the best way or the only way.

Quote: (12-26-2012 04:24 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Could it be that your direct game is simply not as good as your indirect game? Maybe, your personality is more suited for indirect? Maybe, your culture is more suited for indirect? Maybe, you just have alot more experience and practice with indirect?

Just because your indirect game is more effective then your direct game doesn't mean that everyone will have the same results as you.

We all have our own styles and techniques. For you, indirect works better. That doesn't mean indirect is better for everyone, it only means indirect is better for you.

General statements like "direct is more work for less results" is really just a reflection of your own personal experience. It's not a true-ism or golden rule that all of us should follow.

I'm sure if you only focused on direct game for a year or 2, your direct game would get better and produce better results. I'm not saying you should do that, I'm only suggesting that your opinion is a reflection of your personal experience, as is mine. I get a good response from direct day game. Getting the bang is no more work then if I went indirect. I don't have to do any extra approaches.

I can't say that one method is any better or less laborious then the other. I can only say to use the one that works for you. I would never say that my way is the best way or the only way.

I suppose you have a point. To each his own, then.

I enjoy direct game a lot more because it sifts out the bullshit of pretending to care/get to know them/wanting to be friends. Going direct has sped up the process of me getting laid because if she's not interested, she'll stop talking to me immediately. I rather not be deceitful and just cut to the chase, if you find me attractive, here are my intentions.

I think a lot of the players here are confusing direct game with :

Hey there sweet thing, you look hot.

You don't walk up to the girl and tell her straight up you want to fuck her. That doesn't work even for the best looking players. In direct game you walk up to the girl and let her know that you are interested in some type of quality or appearance she has. You not telling her she is crazy hot because that just means without her ever saying a word, you are willing to give her everything she wants.

Giovonny gives good examples of direct game methods. You have to compliment but also put a little neg in there as well. Direct or indirect is just the way you open. You still need to have her ask questions and you still need to build value by telling her about your wonderful trips around the globe, paintings, photos, salsa skills, etc.

Of course there's also being indirect-direct in a daygame set. You don't have to be just direct or just indirect, you can actually do both in one set. It depends on the girl you're approaching, how fast she's moving(is she stationary? in a rush?), what distinct features she has (are they features that everyone notices, or something distinct that only a man of your status and pussy calibration will be able to pick out within seconds).

I agree 100% with bojangles. You have to figure out if she's approachable from the get go based on her body language/movement. If she's sitting on a bench by herself I would usually be more indirect, but if she seems busy with something (texting, jogging, walking her dog, etc.) I sometimes have to be more direct in order to grab her attention.

The other day I went for a run around dtown Miami and usually run pretty good indirect game during the day when all the latina honeys are walking their dogs by themselves. When I see a potential prospect I open with "hey, you gotta second? Don't laugh but I just moved down here and I'm kinda lost...do you know where so and so is (I point in the direction of the building) she smiles and laughs and gives me directions...then I'll escalate from there by either telling her I have/had a similar dog to hers blah blah and then ask her about what some good spots to go out at night are and eventually grab her number"

I usually end with a compliment something along the lines of "I think you're an attractive woman and if you're not busy later perhaps you can show me some of these "hot spots" that you've mentioned"

Do you guys think ending with a compliment to show interest is better than opening with one before the conversation even starts? I think it depends on the location and time of day though.

hmm, I'm not sure Chrexx, I'm of the belief that daygame varies from location to location dependent on the liberalisation of women in that area. For example in eastern/southern europe, I'll always be direct as fuck, in London it'll vary. I number close a lot by using - "you seem like a cool chick/girl/lady, what's your number"

Quote: (12-27-2012 08:54 AM)Chrexx Wrote:  

Do you guys think ending with a compliment to show interest is better than opening with one before the conversation even starts? I think it depends on the location and time of day though.

Both of these are fine. But..

If you compliment in the beginning do it as a starting point to set the right frame and to start actually getting to know who she is so that you're still in charge of the interaction.

If you compliment at the end do it to appreciate something about her beyond her looks so that the interaction is more real.

Quote: (12-27-2012 06:13 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Of course there's also being indirect-direct in a daygame set. You don't have to be just direct or just indirect, you can actually do both in one set.

Yes, I like the direct-indirect method.

Quote: (12-27-2012 08:54 AM)Chrexx Wrote:  

I usually end with a compliment something along the lines of "I think you're an attractive woman and if you're not busy later perhaps you can show me some of these "hot spots" that you've mentioned"

Do you guys think ending with a compliment to show interest is better than opening with one before the conversation even starts? I think it depends on the location and time of day though.

I like how you end with a subtle compliment. Just try not to say it in a kiss-ass, beta sort of way.

Quote: (12-26-2012 01:54 PM)w00t Wrote:  

Direct is great. I have done hundreds of direct approaches in the streets. Its a fast way to screen chicks.
If its on its really ON. I have met chicks rigiht at my place and went straight to bed with them, after a 5 min interaction the day before.

On the other hand I have done indirect approaches and spent 20 minutes talking about art and more crap I dont care about. And when I made my intentions clear the girl said she had a BF and just took of. Thats the beauty of direct you can avoid situations like that.

Interestingly solid direct game works better on hotter chicks since they are not used to being treated that way. If you can roll up to a HOT chick in broad daylight, sober and bring a confident direct opener she will be stunned and often times you hear that nobody ever approached her like that.

Yeah, I'm going direct. I really see no other way.

Fuck it.

Quote: (12-27-2012 01:07 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I like how you end with a subtle compliment. Just try not to say it in a kiss-ass, beta sort of way.

Exactly, in following approaches I'll adopt more of a strategy of what XXL suggested...

Quote: (12-27-2012 12:54 PM)XXL Wrote:  

If you compliment in the beginning do it as a starting point to set the right frame and to start actually getting to know who she is so that you're still in charge of the interaction.

If you compliment at the end do it to appreciate something about her beyond her looks so that the interaction is more real.

I'll play it more aloof, she knows the real reason why I approached her because of her looks, she doesn't need me to remind her

Dude you can throw a little compliments here and there in the convo it's totally fine.

For example you catch yourself looking deep in her eyes for few seconds in silence while she's waiting for you to say something and you go "ooops I just got so lost in your eyes for a moment, it's nice there, ok, I'm back, where were we?". It's great thing to say. But.. are you really lost in her eyes and you just say it out loud honestly/shamelessly or you just say it as a technique?

Get it?

It's not about when or where etc. Giving a compliment about her physical appearance is fine as long as it's done in an authentic way. This means you can throw compliments whenever you want cause you just saw/noticed something and you tell her. No playing mind games. No filters. Just boom! Here I am. I like this what you have. I don't like that what you say.

It takes some time and practice to get rid of the mask and just express your thoughts words and actions honestly and stand by it. But the power of that authentic vibe is amazing.

Good luck

Yeah those little compliments you can throw in work brilliantly, especially if you're direct and smooth.

'Nice tits...sorry what were you saying?'

Quote: (12-27-2012 10:04 PM)Captain Ahab Wrote:  

Yeah, I'm going direct. I really see no other way.

Fuck it.

I love the enthusiasm.

Don't forget, there is a time for indirect. For example, sitting next to her on public transportation, taking a class with a girl, seeing a girl in the grocery store. Sometimes, its good to go indirect. Sometimes, the situation calls for it. Sometimes, its actually smoother to be indirect.

Be well rounded and prepared for any situation.

Have many tools in your tool belt.

Quote: (12-28-2012 05:04 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Yeah those little compliments you can throw in work brilliantly, especially if you're direct and smooth.

'Nice tits...sorry what were you saying?'

I've said shit like that to girls after the fact.

"You know the only reason I talked to you is because you had nice tits."

Sometimes, I tell them they have a nice ass..

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4382-p...#pid259511

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid255772

There is one particular advantage to running direct approaches that I forgot.

If you're still struggling with approach anxiety, doing a few dozen direct approaches will pretty much get render it a non-issue.

Approach about 10-20 women on the street simply by saying whatever it is about her that comes to mind ("hi, you look hot, sexy, cute, got a cute ass, got a cute ass, etc.") and you'll practically have balls of steel by the end of it. AA will be more like a minor background noise than an actual inhibition you take seriously.

Directness didn't really get me laid that much (at least not on the street/during the day), but it still helped to make me a bit ballsier when I was starting out.

Quote: (12-29-2012 12:26 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

If you're still struggling with approach anxiety, doing a few dozen direct approaches will pretty much get render it a non-issue.

Yes, of course. This is why I recommend that newbies to do 50% indirect and 50% direct. Practice both! Indirect teaches conversational skills, quick wit, and rambling -- Direct teaches courage, fearlessness, and not giving a fuck.

Both are necessary

After a while, you can mesh both of them into a hybrid type approach.

Or, you can use indirect language but direct body language. For example, "Damn, its so hot today"

As I say "Damn", I'm looking at her waist. Then I slowly move my eyes up her body and slowly say -- "its so hot today", then look her in the eyes without any fear or embarrassment and say --"I need to get some ice cream". I want her to feel the sexual charge I have for her.

Tonality is very important with this type of approach. The way you talk and your body/eye language is almost more important then what you say.

Direct and indirect are not our only options, there are other variations and mixtures of both. For example, your opener can be indirect -- "Excuse me, how do I get downtown from here" -- But then your next sentence can be direct -- "Actually, I don't mind being lost, who are you little lady?

There is more to opening then just direct and indirect. There are many shades of gray!

Quote:Giovonny Wrote:

Tonality is very important with this type of approach. The way you talk and your body/eye language is almost more important then what you say.

Exactly my thoughts.

But from what I see guys post what they said to girls thinking they were direct. Like for some reason guys associate "direct game" with verbals/material content exclusively. Whereas direct simply means properly stepping to the girl. Regardless of what is being said. Subcommunications make your game direct.

Passing by a girl, stopping her on her tracks saying "hey one sec! wait!", having killer eye contact and telling her with the right tonality "look at you! you purse makes you kind of fat.. ever thought about that?" That's direct as fuck in my books. It's all about the vibe. Material content is so irrelevant in that case.

Just so you know

I'd say only 7-10% of what you say is relevant, 30% is probably how you say it (tone), the rest is your body language.

Quote: (12-23-2012 08:24 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I also wouldn't recommend using too much direct daygame in small university towns or on a small campus. Do that too often and you'll inevitably become known as "that guy", which may make things harder for you in the long run.

Oh yes, direct game is a no no in university settings.