I am still very much considering seeking professional mental help BUT first Im gonna get laid.Im going out tonite to try some approaches we will see what happens.Im a realist so Im not expecting anything other than the open exchange of words.Anything else would be a bonus.I've actually come clean to one of my closest friends and I mentioned going to see a few working girls just to get the juices flowing again and he agreed that's probably not a bad idea...So at some point in the next couple weeks I'm going to see a hoefessional.Im also gonna unplug from the porn and jackin' off that comes with it.I can for sure see that as being a big part of my lack of desire to pursue women...Just a random thought here but I think there are some SERIOUS intangibles that the pursuit of female presence provides.It's the one thing I have never been good at or really put any effort into.My friends most of which are complete and udder chick magnets seem to radiate manliness mean while I jack off...Fucked up.I know. Just a random thought.

How did your cold approaches go?

Quote: (11-24-2012 12:19 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  

How did your cold approaches go?

They didn't. I went out to a couple of clubs FULL of plowable pussy but yet I just stood there by the bar for the most part.Im struggling with the idea of all the rejection that's gonna come my way.One of my biggest problems has always been liking kinds of woman that never seem to like or be interested in me.Im not talking models or anything here but I just never get IOI's from chix that I WANNA bang.Is it that uglies and fatties are more open?!?! Or are 6's+ just more subtle in showing interest?If I liked sub par women and fatties I could bang a new chick every week, but I don't.Maybe I need to change whatever it is that draws the less than desirables to me. I mean I get REALLY pissed off when a fugly smiles at me or says hello.Why can't the decent looking ones do the same?

Quote: (11-01-2012 08:27 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Im reasonably attractive, intelligent and well employed.

Quote: (11-21-2012 07:15 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

My friends most of which are complete and udder chick magnets seem to radiate manliness mean

Quote: (11-24-2012 02:03 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

I went out to a couple of clubs FULL of plowable pussy

Wait, You are attractive,intelligent, and financially secure!

Your friends are chick magnets!

And, you go out to clubs!

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!?!?!

Dude, you are your own worst enemy! Why don't you allow yourself to have fun?!? Why aren't you are approaching girls!?!

WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A PUSSY!!!

You are thinking too much, over-analyzing, and being to logical. Go out and get drunk, have fun, and talk to a bunch of girls!

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SO SCARED OF???

Heavy compound lifts(deadlift, squat, bench, press, c&j, etc)
Green smoothies(1 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter/coconut oil, berries, cruciferous vegetables, spinach, kale, collard greens, chard)
Steak

You will approach girls if you do these things. You instincts will take over and it will be natural.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:03 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

1. No masurbation/porn/fantasy

2. Heavy compound lifts(deadlift, squat, bench, press, c&j, etc)

3. Green smoothies(1 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter/coconut oil, berries, cruciferous vegetables, spinach, kale, collard greens, chard)

4. Steak

You will approach girls if you do these things. You instincts will take over and it will be natural.

Let me add one..

#5. START TALKING TO GIRLS!!!

This is the most important thing!

Quote: (11-11-2012 09:16 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Women can smell when you are getting a lot of ass and they can smell when you don't. Don't ask me how but this is what I have noticed and this is what candid women on sex have told me. They can smell a cold streaker from a mile away. There is just a smoothness, swagger, and confidence to somebody whom is actively looking for sex but not eager for it. Its a skill and mystery I am trying to crack. Many veterans on this forum you can piece together on their posts its a amazing thing.

I don't know how women can do this either but they can. I guess millions of years of evolution have given them the ability to pick up on very subtle signs given off by males. It's extremely difficult to truly fake it , but you can learn how to act confident enough to get laid, which starts the ball rolling. The more you get laid, the easier it is to keep getting laid by more and better quality women. But getting stated is the hardest part, which is one reasonwhy so many guys fail at learning game.

Yeah I'm a pussy.I'll do 160+ on my bike just because.I'll jump out of a perfectly good airplane.I'll get on stage in front of 1000 people and perform.I'll swim with sharks for fun...but I won't approach good looking women.Something is off internally...Gonna go out tonite and try again.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:20 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Quote: (11-11-2012 09:16 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Women can smell when you are getting a lot of ass and they can smell when you don't. Don't ask me how but this is what I have noticed and this is what candid women on sex have told me. They can smell a cold streaker from a mile away. There is just a smoothness, swagger, and confidence to somebody whom is actively looking for sex but not eager for it. Its a skill and mystery I am trying to crack. Many veterans on this forum you can piece together on their posts its a amazing thing.

I don't know how women can do this either but they can. I guess millions of years of evolution have given them the ability to pick up on very subtle signs given off by males. It's extremely difficult to truly fake it , but you can learn how to act confident enough to get laid, which starts the ball rolling. The more you get laid, the easier it is to keep getting laid by more and better quality women. But getting stated is the hardest part, which is one reasonwhy so many guys fail at learning game.

I don't think its that hard for girls to figure out who is getting laid and who isn't. It's not like they have some magical 6th sense. Shit, I can usually tell who is getting laid or not..

Guy who is getting laid - Relaxed, confident, non -needy, not eager, doesn't get exited because one girl showed him a little attention, relaxed eye movement, relaxed vocal tone.

Guy who is not getting laid - Tense, eager, jumpy, eyes darting all around the room looking for targets, asks a million ?'s about getting girls, nervous, insecure tone of voice, try to impress.

It didn't take me a million years to figure this out. It took me about 10 years.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:26 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Gonna go out tonite and try again.

This is the most important thing! Keep going! Work hard and fix your problem.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:26 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Something is off internally.

I disagree. Nothing is wrong with you. You just don't have enough experience and practice with this particular skill. This skill has atrophied. If you approach 100 girls, the skill will return, little by little.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Guy who is getting laid - Relaxed, confident, non -needy, not eager, doesn't get exited because one girl showed him a little attention, relaxed eye movement, relaxed vocal tone.

I agree these are the behaviors a beginner in game needs to learn to replicate to seem sexually confident. But I still think there is something more-some type of micro cues of facial expression or body language, or maybe some pheromone the women are smelling, that tell them this is a male who has been preselected for mating by a lot of other women and makes him much more attractive than the one who is faking it.

I can say since youth I have been aware of the fact that women don't want a man until she she's him with another woman.I can't tell you how many times a woman Im interested in won't show interest in me until she sees me in a relationship or being fuck friends with another woman.It's like pussy attracts other pussy.I think this phenomenon makes it hard for somebody like me.Im perpetually single and alone and women can sense it just thru observation.

You have a self defeating attitude. I don't sense any hope or self belief in your tone. You make excuses. You rationalize your lack of success.

Just get out there and fucking work at it.

There is no secret. Hard work and dedication is the secret. If you are not willing to do that, then you don't deserve success.

You don't even try. You talk about failure before you even try!

You don't even try!

Quote: (11-24-2012 02:03 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Quote: (11-24-2012 12:19 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  

How did your cold approaches go?

They didn't. I went out to a couple of clubs FULL of plowable pussy but yet I just stood there by the bar for the most part.

This happens. It is so easy to blow an hour or two just standing at the bar before you get the first approach in.

You need to get approaches under your belt just to convince your subconscious mind that its normal. I would recommend doing a very simple approach that you know will result in rejection. If you know the rejection will happen, you won't worry about it. Then once you get comfortable with approaching then you can approach in a way that will work. Plus you need to be absolutely okay with the idea of rejection to it won't bother you when it does happen.

Just to get things moving in the right direction, I would recommend that your goal of the night should be to approach 5 girls with something short like this:
"Hey, what's up?"
Followed by
"How is your night going?"

I open just like this when I'm not in the groove to get myself into the groove. This opening is not that good but once in a while it actually works believe it or not. But the goal here is not to get it to work. The goal is to make approaching hot girls feel normal.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:33 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:26 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Gonna go out tonite and try again.

This is the most important thing! Keep going! Work hard and fix your problem.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:26 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Something is off internally.

I disagree. Nothing is wrong with you. You just don't have enough experience and practice with this particular skill. This skill has atrophied. If you approach 100 girls, the skill will return, little by little.

We don't know if something is off internally. Mental problems can definitely stem from physical problems. For instance, depression is an early sign of Parkinson's.

More and more, sophisticated scanning of the brain proves conclusively that there are physiological correlates to mental states.

Although cognitive therapy, whether formal or just telling yourself " I can talk to ANY woman" can be very helpful, thinking that ALL mental problems come from negative thinking simply shows you don't understand modern science.

One old school psychiatrist told me in depression you should get the full thyroid workup, they usually only test for one or two thyroid chemicals (T1 and T2 or the like) but there are more that can be selected in the lab request.

I'm not a medical doctor but again I recommend seeing one and getting a very thorough physical and psych exam with a bunch of tests, Vitamin D levels, thyroid, testosterone levels,liver, kidneys, have a real ball-- if you have insurance it's not a ton of money.

I really wanna see and hear what a succesful cold approach sounds like.I've NEVER seen any of my friends that are succesful with women do a cold approach.New chicks just seem to "appear" outta no where.Their always showing me pics,text convos,emails or straight kinky vids of them with all these different women but I never get to see the introduction.I know that most of these guys do enjoy nightlife but rarely do I see them actually meet a chick in a club and then bang her.I see them with chix all the time at clubs but they already know each other...What is " game" supposed to look or sound like?!?! I've seen some youtube vids of so called "Pickup Artist" in action but 99% of what I've seen seems scripted or fake.Id say Im willing to pay to watch somebody work but this shit is so completely littered with scumbags trying to make a buck off of other peoples social shortcomings that I just wouldn't trust what Im seeing. All this reading is cool and all but I know how I learn and it's by watching then doing.I just don't have anybody to watch.I'm cursing my fucking dad right now for not teaching me this shit.I've just realized that every bullshit beta behavior I've ever learned came from watching him.

Quote: (11-24-2012 06:09 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

...99% of what I've seen seems scripted or fake.Id say .....so completely littered with scumbags trying to make a buck off of other peoples social shortcomings that I just wouldn't trust......I'm cursing my fucking dad right now for....

Whether symptom or cause, this kind of anger and suspicion are not helping you at all -- it seems to be paralyzing you.

Everyone has some reason to complain. Even a 5'10" lingerie model chick with an IQ of 180 who's a hereditary millionaire can legitimately complain that she doesn't know who her real friends are.

People don't generally want to be around someone who is angry and suspicious unless there's some huge counterbalancing factor(s).

One problem is they won't tell you they perceive you this way usually, they'll just avoid you. It's your responsibility to be happier if don't want to be alone. You do no one, including yourself, any good being miserable.

There's something shrinks call "help-rejecting complaining." The person keeps talking about what's wrong, but they won't change anything

Got out with some friends last night.Spoke to some broads just casual like but nothing spectacular to report.Gonna try again tonite maybe.

Quote: (11-25-2012 03:31 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Got out with some friends last night.Spoke to some broads just casual like but nothing spectacular to report.Gonna try again tonite maybe.

That's all you need to do to get going. Just do this night after night. Eventually something is going to happen even if you don't apply any game.

Once you talk to enough girls in a casual way eventually you will learn how to spot when they are interested in more than talking. At that point you can try to kiss the girl if you know of no other way to escalate things. Even if she turns down the kiss by turning her head that can help get the ball rolling and put sex on her mind. Once you make a move it changes the whole dynamic of the conversation.

You don't necessarily have to kiss the girl but you must do something so she knows you have the balls to escalate things beyond a casual conversation.

That's the good thing about my city...You can go out someplace diffrent in another part of town 7 nights straight and spot bad bitchez and never really see the same broads twice.Call it urban sprawl.Plus hit 2 notable college towns within an hour drive.I work mid day so I get off of work right when it's time to hit the city at night.Plus I can hang out till the wee hours of the morning and STILL be rested well for the next night.Im gonna make it a point sometime soon to go out every night for 7 days straight plus get in solid day game before work.We will see what happens...

I used to be a little like this, but not quite as extreme. I still consider myself a misogynist, but not to lack of sex, but because women are extremely manipulative, dishonest and hypocritical. I've chilled out a lot over the last 2 or so years. I try not to consider women as people, just something to stick my dick in. The hatred is gone, but there is a consistant level of contempt.

Really, hating women for being women is like hating a snake for being a snake. Can't help it.

Brother, you just need to dedicate yourself to banging your first pussy in 4 years to end the drought. I wouldn't go to a hooker and forget the girl hating/issues as of right now. Your mission is to fuck a woman, in your case almost ANY woman(3+)

Assuming you're not trolling here's what you do. I call it the impossible to fail plan.

Step 1. Stop fapping immediately, you're allowed 1 fap per week preferably on a night you don't go out.

Step 2. Put up a profile on Okcupid and POF. There are tons of threads here(i.e. how to get laid on okcupid like a boss) where techniques and strategies are outlined.

Step 3. Fire away 100 emails on each site. Copy and paste if you have to, hit up fatties if you have to, remember if she's a 3 or up, do it.

Step 4. Meetup with every girl who agrees to meet up with you.

Step 5. On days where you don't have dates, hit up bars and cold approach. During the day, do day approaches.

Step 6. Keep all of this up for at least 2 months.

I've never implemented a plan like this, and I just made it up for this post, but it will be an interesting case study. I guarantee that at the end of the two months you will be banging a woman possibly multiple women.

I say forget about your internal issues and other stuff for now. Forget about this forum, forget about reading blogs and reading about game, what you need to do is ACT.

If you don't think you can do this, my response is you don't want it bad enough.

Just do the work, and the pussy will come. Case closed.

Quote: (11-24-2012 03:03 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

1. No masurbation/porn/fantasy

2. Heavy compound lifts(deadlift, squat, bench, press, c&j, etc)

3. Green smoothies(1 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter/coconut oil, berries, cruciferous vegetables, spinach, kale, collard greens, chard)

4. Steak

You will approach girls if you do these things. You instincts will take over and it will be natural.

agree with all of these. i dont have much experience on 3 but i'm gonna give it a try. i just had a steak tonight and i'm feeling like a fucking animal. im gonna go primal on these chicks this week.

WHOA. JUST FUCKING WHOA...Upon the recommendation of another member earlier in this thread I read the book "No More Mr. Nice Guy" today. That book may single handedly be responsible for bringing about some serious changes in my life.I've never had somebody put into words EXACTLY how I feel. I've known for a number of years that my behavior and attitudes were and are a large part of the reason I'm not happy with life. The author of that book pretty much laid out my life and all it's fucked up glory on paper without ever meeting me.Not only that but he touched on why I am the way I am and why me being Mr.Nice Guy is always gonna fail. There are some seriously bad emotional defense mechanisms from my youth that have followed me into adulthood.Lying in an effort to seek approval from people,being passive-aggresive,putting others needs before mine,seeking relationships with "damaged goods", the list goes on and on.The book also explained my sexual disfunction and behavior.This has been an intense last few weeks to say the least...My quest to get laid and change things in my life for the better continues...