For most of history no one read books or came up with theories on how to get women, it seems something realtively new, so who is considered the inventor and roughly when did a need for game come to exist. I'd guess sometime after the 70's because my understanding is the 70s was a big fuck fest full of hippies and weed and lsd and rock and roll.

Ovid?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Amatoria

I know the vikings came up with a way to get women.



Dark ages game baby.

Depends what you mean by game. Are you talking about when a man actively improves himself, his situation and behavior for the purpose of higher quantity/quality pussy? Because i'm pretty sure even males in the animal kingdom do some similar shit and have been since they realised they want some hole.

As for "the seduction community" I think Ross Jeffries was one of the first dude's going about. You'l notice the further you go back the weirder and more creepy shit get's.

Yeah, Ross Jeffries shit probably worked in his day but when I first saw him on dr. phil he came across as a total creep almost like a border line rapist, but maybe that's how they wanted to portray him for tv, idk. But I guess seduction community would be more accurate. rick can u expand on what u mean by the weird shit gets?

I don't think anyone really "invented" game since many men that have it are naturals that don't even think about it. But if you mean game as in a formalized discipline made for the purpose of educating the uninitiated, that's a tough one.

I'm not sure Ross Jeffries taught "game" per se, he taught psychological shortcuts that *might* help speed up the process. David DeAngelo was the first guy I ever encountered that could be considered a guru. He didn't teach much technique but was about getting your inner game together. Outer game he ignored, so not sure if he can really count. One way that he was highly influential was in setting the standard for marketing downloadable knowledge products. I even still see this style reflected in roosh's marketing.

Mystery I think was the first guy to officially formalize outer game as a technical process that could be learned by novices as a series of steps. He was also probably the first to tie game into psychological evolution.

Who's this guy again? I heard he was historic.

Aside from a few core principles, game tactics change and adapt with the times.

One could argue that the first piece of game literature was written by Jaques Casanova. If you read his memoirs (quite the undertaking) you'll see what I mean. In one particular instance he expresses how he came to the realization that women will lie and say anything to appear chaste and innocent. Long story short he was around 14 years old and the girl he liked was 16. He slipped her a note telling her to sneak up to his room at midnight so they could talk. He waited and waited and she never came. So he went downstairs to her room and heard noises. As he was eavesdropping the door flung open and a guy that lived with them pushed him over and ran away.


He decided not to confront her, instead choosing to ice her out. She was so distraught that he stopped talking to her that one night she broke down and cried and begged hi to talk to her. So he told her that he was mad because she never paid him a visit when he requested her to. Then she started lying tl him and fed him bullshit. He was not pleased. He nuked her hamster, called her a slut, made her cry. She went crazy for a while(acted possessed) and what not. Eventually he did have sex with her.

Cassanovas game revolved around slick conversation, balls, innate knowledge of the 17th century hamster, fly clothing, facial hair(early in his life),DHV through being extremely well read, poems, complements, chivalry, push pull. It's no wonder the guy killed it back then!

I'm sure guys were talking about pussy soon after they discovered fire. Machiavelli and Casanova had a very deep understanding of human nature, don't you think they were talking about pussy too?!?!

I think this stuff goes back thousands of years. Egyptian Pharaohs had sex slaves and shit. The Romans went to war over Cleopatra. I'm sure cavemen were trying to get some pussy. This shit is in our DNA. Game has existed for as long as vaginas and penises have existed.

@wildwyatt,

by the further you go back the weirder shit get's i mean basically the seduction community at the beginning was all about manipulation or getting a girl to believe you were someone that was high value.

Now it's more or less about just BEING high value.

It's also gotten so much more simple. At least my game has.

I think game was more simple in ancient times. Kill your rivals, take the woman by force. Simple as that. The definition of alpha!

Now, nerds and gays can be alpha and the rest of us are supposed to go around demonstrating our high value???

500 years ago, I would beat the fuck out of Justin Bieber and take his bitches!

@Giovonny, totally, back in the day it was just shoot him, kill him, stab him, behead him and take his woman.

500 years ago Justin bieber would probably use his money to buy him a castle and a bunch of guards to protect him from the 5000 guys with the same idea. But he probably would just be openly gay back then.

Quote: (11-01-2012 02:04 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Aside from a few core principles, game tactics change and adapt with the times.

One could argue that the first piece of game literature was written by Jaques Casanova. If you read his memoirs (quite the undertaking) you'll see what I mean. In one particular instance he expresses how he came to the realization that women will lie and say anything to appear chaste and innocent. Long story short he was around 14 years old and the girl he liked was 16. He slipped her a note telling her to sneak up to his room at midnight so they could talk. He waited and waited and she never came. So he went downstairs to her room and heard noises. As he was eavesdropping the door flung open and a guy that lived with them pushed him over and ran away.


He decided not to confront her, instead choosing to ice her out. She was so distraught that he stopped talking to her that one night she broke down and cried and begged hi to talk to her. So he told her that he was mad because she never paid him a visit when he requested her to. Then she started lying tl him and fed him bullshit. He was not pleased. He nuked her hamster, called her a slut, made her cry. She went crazy for a while(acted possessed) and what not. Eventually he did have sex with her.

Cassanovas game revolved around slick conversation, balls, innate knowledge of the 17th century hamster, fly clothing, facial hair(early in his life),DHV through being extremely well read, poems, complements, chivalry, push pull. It's no wonder the guy killed it back then!

I'm new, what's a hamster, term keeps coming up

I think it started with Dallas Lynn and the Ladder Theory

Quote: (11-01-2012 12:59 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Ovid?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Amatoria

The obvious answer, although some ancient lit scholar may call us out.

I especially like where he advised complimenting a woman on a trait she probably doesn't like, like if she has a big nose tell her you really like her nose. He also said to act really drunk, but not really get that drunk.

It bears reminding that I think Ovid late in life was sentenced to exile for pissing someone off; and exile then meant that time's equivalent of living in a tiny Indonesian village without running water or sewers for someone like us.

Quote: (11-01-2012 01:43 PM)Rosca Wrote:  



Who's this guy again? I heard he was historic.

Jesus did teach game back in the day, but it was the original super beta game. Turn the cheek aka let the girl flake on you since you are to forgive her. Dying for someone else's sin aka sacrificing yourself for the pleasure of a female.

if by game you mean seduction community and linear routine based process from open to close based on nlp and button pushing then the answer is.. nerds.

Haha, the good old Ars Amatoria.
It´s full of gems like these:

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Second book
ELEGY VII:
HE ASSURES CORINNA THAT HE HAS NEVER HAD ANY GUILTY COMMERCE WITH CYPASSIS, HER MAID.

Oh, are you always going to be bringing some charge against me? No sooner have I succeeded in rebutting one than you trump up another. I'm sick of this perpetual bickering. If I happen to run my eye along the topmost tier of the theatre, you'll be sure to pick one woman out of the crowd there and make her a pretext for some more nagging. If a woman merely glances in my direction, and I don't look back at her, my indifference, you'll say, is all put on; there's something between us right enough. If I say anything nice about a woman, you immediately start tearing your hair; if I say anything nasty, well, you say it's just a blind. If I'm looking well, it's because I leave you alone; and if I'm not, I'm dying of love for someone else. I shouldn't so much mind if I had really done something. It's easier to put up with troubles you've brought on yourself; but you upbraid me without rhyme or reason, and your fatal proclivity for believing the worst about everybody, weakens whatever effect your fulminations might otherwise have had. Look at that poor old long-eared donkey there; he doesn't mend his pace, for all their whackings.

And now you've got another grievance. It's your smart little maid, Cypassis, with whom I am supposed to have misconducted myself this time, is it? And in your bed, too. Now if ever I feel inclined to go astray, the gods forbid that I should do so with a servant-girl. What man would ever willingly have relations with a slave or want to fondle a back all covered with weals? And, mark you, this particular slave is the one that gives the finishing touches to your hair, whose clever fingers make you look so irresistible; and I am supposed to go philandering with someone who thinks there's not a woman like you in the world? Is it likely? I should only get snubbed for my pains, and she'd tell you all about it. No, I swear by Venus and by the bow of her wingèd boy, I'm innocent of the charge you bring against me.

ELEGY VIII
HE ASKS CYPASSIS HOW IN THE WORLD CORINNA COULD HAVE FOUND OUT.
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You wonderful little hair-dresser, who only ought to have goddesses' hair to tend, Cypassis, whom in a stolen moment of delight I found by no means unexpert, you who suit your mistress so well, and me better still, tell me who has given our secret away? How did Corinna get wind of our clandestine delights? Did I turn red? Did I let fall a single word that could have betrayed our hidden pleasures, didn't I swear that for a man to hanker after a servant-girl he couldn't have all his wits about him?

And yet the Thessalian hero burned with desire for the lovely Briseis, and she was but a slave. No more than a slave was she, the priestess that cast her lures about the King of Mycenæ. Am I then greater than Achilles, greater than the son of Tantalus? Shall I blush at what was deemed a fitting portion for a king?

Nevertheless, when she turned that angry look upon you, I saw you blush red all over. I was not anything like so flustered. I, if you remember, swore by great Venus herself that I was innocent. But you, my goddess, ordain that this beneficent lie may be swept by the warm South over the Carpathian deep.

In payment for these my services, my dusky Cypassis, grant me the sweet pleasure of lying with you today. Why do you say no? Why, ungrateful girl, why pretend you are afraid? It will be enough to have deserved well of one of your masters. If you are silly enough to refuse, I shall confess all we have done, I shall become my own accuser, and I shall tell your mistress-yes, I shall, Cypassis--where and how often we have met, what we did, in how many ways, and what ways they were.

Also amusing:

First book

Elegy XIV: To His Mistress, Who, Contrary To His Counsel, Dyed Her Hair With Noxious Compositions, And Has Nearly Become Bald.
(About the rationalization hamster.)

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Did I not say to thee, "Cease to dye thy hair?" And now thou hast no longer any hair to dye.

Second book

Elegy X: He Tells Græcinus How, Despite What He Says To The Contrary, It Is Possible To Be In Love With Two Women At The Same Time.

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My heart, like to a barque tossed by opposing winds, veers sometimes hither, sometimes thither, between these rival loves. Oh, wherefore, Erycina, wherefore dost thou everlastingly increase my torments. Did not one mistress suffice to keep me busy? Wherefore to the trees add leaves, stars to the starry sky, or water to the boundless deep?
Howbeit 'twere better so, than live a loveless life. The life that scorns delights and lives laborious days I'll leave my enemies. Let them sleep soundly in their lonely beds, lie in the middle and stretch themselves to their heart's content. As for myself, I'd liefer cruel love should break my downy slumbers; I would not be my bed's sole burden, no, not I. Let my mistress, without let or hindrance, ease me of love's pangs if she alone be equal to the task. If she be not, then I'll have two of them. My body's thin, but strong; it lacks not strength, but flesh. Besides, Love's joys my prowess will sustain. Never a woman have I disappointed yet, and often after battling all the night, the morn hath found me ready to renew the fray. Happy he who dies in the lists of Love. I pray the gods that such may be my end. The soldier, if he will, may oppose his breast to the foemen's spears, and buy undying glory with his blood. The miser may roam the world in search of wealth, and when he's shipwrecked, let his lying mouth choke with the seas his vessel's keel hath ploughed. Be it my lot softly to fade away doing Love's service, to die in the very crisis of the fray. And may some gentle soul, shedding a tear upon my grave, exclaim "in sooth thy death did well become thy life."

Elegy XIV: On Corinna's Recovery He Writes To Her Again Concerning Her Attempt At Abortion And Tells Her How Naughty She Has Been.
(Slut shaming)
Elegy XIX: To A Man With Whose Wife He Was In Love.

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Fool, if you don't want to keep an eye on your wife for your own sake, at least do so for mine, that it may whet my desire for her. What we can have for the asking we never want; to forbid a thing adds ardour to our longing.
(...)
He's only fit to pilfer the sand of the lonely shore who can love the wife of a complacent fool. I give you solemn warning, if you don't keep watch upon your wife, she soon will cease to be my mistress. I have been a long-suffering individual. I hoped the day would come when your jealous watch would put me on my mettle. But you don't bestir yourself at all. You bear what never husband in the world should bear. Well, ’tis I myself will put an end to this too facile love.

Third book

Elegy II: The Circus.
(About practical Game.)
Elegy IV: He Urges A Husband Not To Keep So Strict A Watch On His Wife.
(Some red pill stuff.)
Elegy VIII: To His Mistress, Complaining That She Has Given Preference To A Wealthier Rival.

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We dig the earth for gold instead of golden harvests. The soldier possesses wealth obtained by blood. The Senate shuts its doors against the poor; money paves the way to honours. Money makes the solemn judge, the haughty knight. Let them have everything; let them lord it over the Campus Martius and the Forum; let them decide on peace or war; but in their greediness let them draw the line at robbing me of my mistress, and I shall be content. They must leave something to the poor man. But nowadays, any woman, be she as prudish as the Sabines, is treated like a chattel-slave by any man who can throw about his money.

Source: Link

Game is something that has evolved overtime. Just like man.

Well it wasnt Adam, seeing as how he wussed out when Eve ate the apple.

As far as i know, this post-feminism version of game started with the birth of Mystery Method and the novel "The Game" by Neil Strauss.

Eric Weber is often referred to as one of the earliest gurus.

Quote: (11-03-2012 08:44 PM)Magic Bullets Wrote:  

Eric Weber is often referred to as one of the earliest gurus.

I remember reading him in 1975!! One of his gems was something like "Hot girls and ugly girls are the easiest to game. Medium girls are the hardest."

I've found it to be true also, hot ones are skilled and practiced, even when they're going to blow you off they do it more smoothly, ugly ones are desperate, and medium ones don't know what's up so they're worried.

Of course, a hot girl to me is a middle class girl with good manners, not some club slut who just inherited good bone structure.

Mystery is the modern genius who integrated evo-psych, behavior mod, and anthropology.

First practitioner of game, was the Serpent who ran verbal game on Eve's fantasy hamster while beta Adam was working his ass off. The lesson his game teaches us is a broad can not be satisfied. Game mutated according to cultural mores from there.