The only girl I ever slapped is the only girl that continues to call me and send me texts 6 months (thus far) after I go ghost telling me she loves me and misses me and shit. From different numbers, about every 2-3 weeks.

Actually, that's the only girl that ever got slapped in an argument. She actually slapped me first and I responded.

I've slapped a bunch of girls around while fucking them. Just rough [consensual] sex, I'm sure most if not all of us have been there, right?

from some hip-hop song of recent "I hate calling the women bitches but the bitches love it / it took some sense to make a nigga love it"
I used to hate the thought of slapping a woman, but these days women want crazy things...

Quote: (10-18-2012 04:44 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Giovanny ( as I think you have subsequently intimated ) slapping that girl for being rude was wrong. You were not under attack,she wasn't threatening you,she was just rude. Slapping a girl for being rude in my eyes is wrong...You shouldn't sweat that shit. The correct response is to use your superior wit and intellect to bring her down verbally. Players laugh those shit tests off.

I can't disagree with this. I let her get to me emotionally and I risked going to jail just to punish her. It would have been better if I gave her a verbal smackdown using superior "wit and intellect" like you said.

Quote: (10-18-2012 04:44 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Others are saying (paraphrasing ) 'once you hit them they change,they fall deep for you'.

Yeah, I think most guys are taking this too far. I mean, if we all went around slapping women, what would happen? Would these girls fall deeper in love with us? Probably not. Most likely, they would call the cops on us.

That being said, there are a few girls that get turned on by being hit. 99% of the time they were abused a kids and have some serious issues with violence, boundaries, etc.

That being said, there is a time to slap a woman, its rare but it happens, its when she is emotionally drunk and will not respond to any logical reasoning, she might be throwing a temper tantrum, she might be trying to "attack" you, she might be breaking shit, in these rare situations, a slap, bear hug, or strong shake might be necessary.

I would guess-timate that only about 10-15% of women would get turned on by being hit. The other 85-90% will think you are a lunatic and possibly call the cops on you.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:10 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Sounds like shaming language to me.

Red pill bullshit again... I am not interested in going to jail so I can tell everyone in orange jumpsuits that I took a red pill. Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me but knock yourself out.

Maybe you should start slapping the white knights. Slapping a girl and approaching them are the same now, eh?

Look, if want to bring in more drama into your life then go at it keyboard warrior. I prefer as little drama as can be when talking about women.

I don't want them to have any upper hand on me like calling the cops and putting me in jail for slapping her. I also don't murder people that piss me off. I know, pussy for following laws like that.

If you're that afraid of being thrown in jail then you shouldn't interact with women at all. If your girl wants to call the cops on you for slapping her, she could just as easily call the cops on you for raping her (false rape accusation).

In fact, you don't even have to slap a girl to get arrested for domestic violence. If a girl just calls the cops and tells them you hit her, even if there is not a mark on her, you will go to jail that night.

This is ridiculous, but guess what, it's the law. And do you know why it's the law? Because white knights, politically correct chodes and feminists have hijacked the culture to allow for it.

This is why it's NOT outrageous to compare slapping a girl (a current cultural taboo) with random street approaches. The same attitudes that allowed for a practice that goes back for millenia (slapping) to become taboo within decades could easily allow for a much more recent practice (street approaching) to become the same.

This is all part of the feminist agenda. Weaken men and insert the state into personal relationships. Today you can't slap a girl on the cheek without fear of going to jail. Tomorrow you can't ask a girl for her number without fear of going to jail.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:34 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

In fact, you don't even have to slap a girl to get arrested for domestic violence. If a girl just calls the cops and tells them you hit her, even if there is not a mark on her, you will go to jail that night.

You are wrong. I had it happen to me and didn't go to jail.

Any other theories?

Shaming doesn't work on me. I will do what I want and no amount of your red pill shaming language will change it.

Quote: (10-18-2012 10:46 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

The other goes," because I don't like walking all over my man, I like it when he tells me to shut up and slaps me." Straight from the hamsters mouth.

But don't you know that the fact that women are built to respond to dominance is an extra-ordinary claim, similar to finding life on mars, and requires extra-ordinary proof?

100,000 oral and written and filmed anecdotes throughout history could never make a case for such an extraordinary claim.

Why, it's, it's, UNBELIEVABLE!

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 04:44 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Giovanny ( as I think you have subsequently intimated ) slapping that girl for being rude was wrong. You were not under attack,she wasn't threatening you,she was just rude. Slapping a girl for being rude in my eyes is wrong...You shouldn't sweat that shit. The correct response is to use your superior wit and intellect to bring her down verbally. Players laugh those shit tests off.

I can't disagree with this. I let her get to me emotionally and I risked going to jail just to punish her. It would have been better if I gave her a verbal smackdown using superior "wit and intellect" like you said.

Quote: (10-18-2012 04:44 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Others are saying (paraphrasing ) 'once you hit them they change,they fall deep for you'.

Yeah, I think most guys are taking this too far. I mean, if we all went around slapping women, what would happen? Would these girls fall deeper in love with us? Probably not. Most likely, they would call the cops on us.

That being said, there are a few girls that get turned on by being hit. 99% of the time they were abused a kids and have some serious issues with violence, boundaries, etc.

That being said, there is a time to slap a woman, its rare but it happens, its when she is emotionally drunk and will not respond to any logical reasoning, she might be throwing a temper tantrum, she might be trying to "attack" you, she might be breaking shit, in these rare situations, a slap, bear hug, or strong shake might be necessary.

I would guess-timate that only about 10-15% of women would get turned on by being hit. The other 85-90% will think you are a lunatic and possibly call the cops on you.

Finally a well balanced post. I have had the same experiences as well.

One time, I had a chick get hysterical and started pushing up on me so I picked her up and put her outside, in her underwear. That calmed her down and stopped the nonsense.

I was dominate enough without having to slap her around.

This thread needs more el mechanico.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:39 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 10:46 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

The other goes," because I don't like walking all over my man, I like it when he tells me to shut up and slaps me." Straight from the hamsters mouth.

But don't you know that the fact that women are built to respond to dominance is an extra-ordinary claim, similar to finding life on mars, and requires extra-ordinary proof?

100,000 oral and written and filmed anecdotes throughout history could never make a case for such an extraordinary claim.

Why, it's, it's, UNBELIEVABLE!

Based on some of your posts, I believe you get off on it more than the women.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:44 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:39 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 10:46 AM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

The other goes," because I don't like walking all over my man, I like it when he tells me to shut up and slaps me." Straight from the hamsters mouth.

But don't you know that the fact that women are built to respond to dominance is an extra-ordinary claim, similar to finding life on mars, and requires extra-ordinary proof?

100,000 oral and written and filmed anecdotes throughout history could never make a case for such an extraordinary claim.

Why, it's, it's, UNBELIEVABLE!

Based on some of your posts, I believe you get off on it more than the women.

Like the post where I say that doing something distasteful the benefits the woman is pragmatic and unselfish?

Quote me before you slander me next time.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:46 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

Like the post where I say that doing something distasteful the benefits the woman is pragmatic and unselfish?

Quote me before you slander me next time.

I didn't think it was slanderous. Based on your posts about dominating women and there have been a few from recollection. Dominating women isn't necessarily physical all the time but I can see where putting them in their place would coincide with that dominating appeal.

Are you saying that dominating a woman isn't something you get off on?

There's a difference between smaking a ho and beating her.

Went to a Dmx concert few months Ago. It was getting way to loud for me so I went outside for a smoke and to mingle. Chic comes up to me asking how it is Inside. I say great but way to loud I'm not going back in. I go here take my ticket. Her eyes light up with joy she runs over to a dude and goes "look he just gave me a ticket I can go in!" Next thing you know her man just smacks the shit out of her! "Whap!" "Bitch get in the car." She put her head down and sprinted to there car. Than dude Approches me and goes," get the fuck outta here right now." I basically was like nah I'm not going anywhere but that was fucking awesome how you smacked her. He didnt find me funny but walked away back to his crew.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:49 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Are you saying that dominating a woman isn't something you get off on?

I get off on getting women off. I don't like arguments and find it troublesome and disturbing when they escalate. As I think most anyone does. Even guys who understand the benefit of violence.

But I doubt that's the answer you wanted to hear.

Instead of trying to understand reality, you want to invent a comfortable one.

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:38 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You are wrong. I had it happen to me and didn't go to jail.

Any other theories?

Shaming doesn't work on me. I will do what I want and no amount of your red pill shaming language will change it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapoli...Experiment

Quote:Quote:

Domestic violence historically has been viewed as a private family matter that need not involve government or criminal justice intervention.[3] Before the early 1970s, police in the United States favored a "hands-off" approach to domestic violence calls, with arrest only used as a last resort.[4][5] At the time, domestic violence cases were classified as misdemeanor assault cases.[6] A 1978 court order in New York City mandated that arrests only be made in cases of serious violence, thus officers instead made effort to mediate family disputes.[7]

In the early 1970s, clinical psychologists argued that police should make an effort to mediate disputes

Hmmmm the 1970s. What else started to take hold in the 1970s? Something "-ism" I think?

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Mandatory arrest policies

Mandatory arrest laws were implemented in the U.S. during the 1980s and 1990s due to the impact of the Minneapolis Experiment. The Violence Against Women Act of 1994 added to the volume of legislation in the 1990s pertaining to mandatory arrest laws, affecting those states that lacked such laws themselves.[18] The laws "require the police to make arrests in domestic violence cases when there was probable cause to do so, regardless of the wishes of the victim." [19] Before the laws were put into effect, police officers were required to witness the abuse occurring first hand prior to making an arrest. Currently, 23 states use mandatory arrest policies. [20] Other states leave the decision to arrest to the discretion of the responding officers.

Guess what, if you are a man, you are by default assumed to be the aggressor. And if your girl's face is red and flushed from yelling and arguing? Well, those red marks are indication that you've been hitting her.

If your girl or the cop wants to arrest you, you're going to jail. Nothing you say or do, (or didn't do) will change that fact. If the cops show up at your door for a domestic violence call, they have full power to remove and detain you with no evidence.

If this didn't happen to you, congratulations. Maybe you got lucky with a cool cop or a lazy one who didn't feel like doing the paperwork of arresting you.

But you're admitting your girl called the cops on you despite the fact you never laid a hand on her. So really, your entire argument falls apart. If you slap a girl, sure, she might call the cops on you. But your own direct admission says that a girl can call the cops on you even if you don't lay a hand on her! And after that call is made and the cops show up, it's all in their hands whether you get taken away or not.

Now if we're going by experience, I have slapped girls and never had the cops called on me.

You haven't slapped girls and have had the cops called on you.

Take that for what you will regarding the effectiveness of occasionally slapping girls to keep the relationship going smoothly.

Quote: (10-18-2012 12:00 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 11:49 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Are you saying that dominating a woman isn't something you get off on?

I get off on getting women off. I don't like arguments and find it troublesome and disturbing when they escalate. As I think most anyone does. Even guys who understand the benefit of violence.

But I doubt that's the answer you wanted to hear.

Instead of trying to understand reality, you want to invent a comfortable one.

Well, then, I apologize for the misunderstanding. That would be different to how I understood some of your posts.

Scorpion, cops have power to take you away for anything. I don't see how that has anything to do with domestic violence. They better have more evidence besides a red face from yelling if they want to make the charges stick. Like a hand print on her cheek that they can photograph or bruises on her arm.

Same line of thinking goes to you and your experience. It only takes one woman to call the cops and get you taken away.

So I think your argument fails.

Not all of us want to deal with having to slap a chick around. If I have to get physical with a woman I will leave if possible. I don't need to be around it and I don't get off on it. Those are the women that will probably file false rape charges. I have been with enough of them to see a pattern

The more you have to keep your woman in check, physically, the greater your chances of being run over by the legal system.

I don't need to deal with things like that to make your life easier.

Quote: (10-18-2012 12:11 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Scorpion, cops have power to take you away for anything. I don't see how that has anything to do with domestic violence. They better have more evidence besides a red face from yelling if they want to make the charges stick. Like a hand print on her cheek that they can photograph or bruises on her arm.

Same line of thinking goes to you and your experience. It only takes one woman to call the cops and get you taken away.

So I think your argument fails.

Not all of us want to deal with having to slap a chick around. If I have to get physical with a woman I will leave if possible. I don't need to be around it and I don't get off on it. Those are the women that will probably file false rape charges. I have been with enough of them to see a pattern

I don't need to deal with things like that to make your life easier.

It seems like your objection is entirely legal, not moral, is that the case?

So you hold back on slapping a woman, even if you feel she deserves it, only because you're afraid of being arrested?

In that case, I can understand and respect the practicality of your argument, even if I don't agree with it (I think the fear is overblown, but understand where you're coming from).

But that means that if you had been born at any time in human history besides in the last fifty years, you wouldn't have had to worry about that problem.

So you would have slapped women with no problem in that case?

I'm just trying to point out that it's only the recent influence of feminism that has made slapping so taboo. Feminism changed the laws and the culture to criminalize and stigmatize a behavior that was perfectly natural (and ultimately beneficial) to relationships for all of prior human history. Slapping is not about abuse, it's about allowing the man the power to maintain his dominant frame in his personal relationship. The state has no business being involved unless there is serious physical harm (beating) going on, a threshold that slapping does not even begin to reach.

That's really what xsplat and I have both been arguing: slapping is NOT remotely in the same league as beating or physical abuse. No one ever suffered physical injury from being slapped (eye pokes/scratches aside, but those are not true slaps). Slapping a woman is in the exact same league as spanking a child. And society still allows for women to slap men if the man has offered some great offense, which I have no problem with. Slapping is not done to injure, it's done to correct. Slapping is a unique human behavior that has more in common with yelling than physically abusing someone.

Quote: (10-18-2012 10:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

For all of human history, up until the past few decades and the feminist revolution, these arguments would have been laughable. Slapping your woman when she got out of line was as common sense and accepted as spanking your children when they did the same (another perfectly acceptable behavior which is rapidly becoming politically incorrect).

You know you can say the same thing about slavery. Up until a few decades ago, slavery was very much accepted in quite a few parts of the world. According to your logic, its laughable that people changed that because it was politically incorrect.

I've never hit a woman, outside of the type mentioned above who will ask you to slap/ choke them to get off.

But I did have to grapple with a girl recently. Or, maybe I didn't have to, but I did, violently. Someone I know well and care about. I felt terrible about it. She was trying to drive home hammered. Eventually I let her go. That was a worse crime than wrestling her. She could have died.

At the time it felt like getting physical with her was what she wanted and expected. It felt like that's what she was escalating it to. She'd had a bunch of boyfriends do it in the past, and stayed with them. I've been with crazy violent girls but mostly kept my cool myself. So I was a domestic violence virgin popping my cherry with someone who's been around. I didn't know how to handle it.

In retrospect, I should have just called her a fucking cab.

Full story:

http://delicioustacos.com/2012/05/23/now...ndershirt/

Quote: (10-18-2012 12:30 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2012 12:11 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Scorpion, cops have power to take you away for anything. I don't see how that has anything to do with domestic violence. They better have more evidence besides a red face from yelling if they want to make the charges stick. Like a hand print on her cheek that they can photograph or bruises on her arm.

Same line of thinking goes to you and your experience. It only takes one woman to call the cops and get you taken away.

So I think your argument fails.

Not all of us want to deal with having to slap a chick around. If I have to get physical with a woman I will leave if possible. I don't need to be around it and I don't get off on it. Those are the women that will probably file false rape charges. I have been with enough of them to see a pattern

I don't need to deal with things like that to make your life easier.

It seems like your objection is entirely legal, not moral, is that the case?

So you hold back on slapping a woman, even if you feel she deserves it, only because you're afraid of being arrested?

In that case, I can understand and respect the practicality of your argument, even if I don't agree with it (I think the fear is overblown, but understand where you're coming from).

I have had to get physical with women. In every instance, it was due to them trying to get physical with me first. I won't allow that type of behavior. A couple times it was a slap to stop it, other times I had to restraint her besides picking them up and removing them from the premises.

There was one time I had a girl begging me to hit her. I also knew she was friends with many of the police in that small town. I was smart enough not to get baited.

Yes, laws are a major reason why I don't want to get involved with that type of behavior. Those same laws are, imo, the reason a lot of women are behaving badly. Getting arrested is only the beginning. Next you have money for lawyers and time wasted going back and forth to court.

Still, you need to do what is right for yourself.

As I get older, I quite enjoy having less drama. I know you can't get away from drama entirely but I can reduce it by the choices I make.

Quote: (10-18-2012 12:48 PM)jammer Wrote:  

You know you can say the same thing about slavery. Up until a few decades ago, slavery was very much accepted in quite a few parts of the world. According to your logic, its laughable that people changed that because it was politically incorrect.

You know the thread has officially jumped the shark when slapping is being compared to slavery.

There is an inherent negative connotation in the term "Hitting a woman".
I think the proper term would be "Punish a woman" or "Discipline a woman".

Part of the male role is to be the rock or grounded center. (per David Deida)
This applies to women as well as children.

It should always be from a place of compassion, never of anger.

Women sometimes need a "Reset" of the hamster wheel to bring them back to center.
She needs to know when she has crossed a line and is acting badly.

Women and children both, at times, try to invoke, this by trying to anger you or push your limits.

You can look at this as a kind of shit test, though it is usually not something conscious on their part.
The act of being a man sometime requires a physical process. However in today's society one must be very careful as it can be a dangerously fine line.

my Uncle Snoop already covered this back in 04.






"I'm Threw Witchu"
(feat. Soopafly)

[Snoop Dogg]
Yeah man, this is another 9 inch dick classic
We wanna dedicate this one, to all the fellas
who got a hardhead bitch, who just won't listen
Y'know? The best thing to do, is leave her
Don't hit her, shake that ho (bitch I'm gone!)

[Chorus: Soopafly]
Bitch I'm gone.. I can't take it no mo'
I can't get through to you
There's nothin I can say that you seem to understand
Bitch I'm gonnnnnnnnneeeeeee.. I'm out oh yeah yeah yeah
I'm through wit'chu
Oh I'm through wit'chu, yeah

[Soopafly]
I knew that you, was a ho back then
And bitch you're still one now
Ya like to bust, nuts in your face
But with that big-ass mouth
you need to shut the fuck up, you talk too much
I told you once before, yeah
That pimpin don't, like to tell you twice
So I'm walkin out that dooooooooooor

[Chorus: Soopafly]
Bitch I'm gone.. oh yeah bitch I'm, oh I, I got to get the, hell outta here
I can't get through to you
I can't get through to you, you talk too much, I can't tell you shit
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I'm through wit'chu
Oh yeah, I'm through wit'chu bitch, yeah yeah

[Soopafly]
(Bitch I'm gone) Bitch I'm through wit'chu
I'm through wit'chu, cause I refuse to lose
I can't be locked in your world
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Bye bye bitch, and wit all the other pussy, yeah
a nigga got besides yo' big head good and butt fo' ugly kids
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You shoulda known, you was fuckin with a mack (MACK)
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(Step off, step on back)
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It looked like, it looked like you wanted to break down, down and cry
But I just didn't give a damn, I didn't give a damn, no no I didn't
Cause bitches ain't shit, anyway, so don't even ask me why

[Chorus: Soopafly]
Bitch I'm gone.. I'm I'm gone hah, yes I am, I got to get ta
I can't get through to you
Got to get ta, got to get ta hell outta here, oh yeah
Bitch I'm gonnnnnnnnneeeeeee.. oh bitch a, I got too many bitches, anyway
I'm through wit'chu
To be, foolin wit'cho, ugly, ugly, ugly ass

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Oh we got to break it down (break it down, break it down)
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Even though it's yo' motherfuckin house, get the fuck up outta here
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[Chorus - singers only version, in background]

And I gotta protective order against yo' punk bitch-ass
So we gon' partyin all night long
And your sister a twin so the bitch is the same bitch
I'm out

Aw, my car is parked right outside
I got a full tank of gas, and away I go

[Snoop] Bye bye

Scorpion, your post about the Minneapolis Experiment is interesting. As a kid who grew up in the 80's and 90's I remember being blasted with a wave of propaganda concerning domestic violence and battered wives. The closest analogy is to the public indoctrination campaign regarding gay marriage and bullying going on today.

The shift from the 1970's until today has been that people in the West today no longer believe there is *any* problem in society that can be handled by private citizens, by families, and by communities. Every problem is a *social* problem that requires the involvement of the police, school administrators, and blue-ribbon federal commissions. This shift is evidence of a steep decline in trust in American society.

Quote: (10-17-2012 09:21 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2012 07:57 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I don't believe in hitting a woman except for self-defense but.....

spitting on someone is the ultimate disrespect (also what that girl on the bus did to the driver).

I still don't know if I would actually "hit" her...but one or two wrestling submission holds is a-comin'

Spitting on you IS an assault. Hitting is perfectly appropriate self defense. You can't speculate as to whether they will continue assaulting you, so a quick left hook that turns their head away from you, and then face plantng them into the ground is an appropiate response. My state has specific case law that hitting someone that spits on you is NOT assault.

To clarify something, I was making a technical point of law, something you might do in response to a stranger assault. I wouldn't recomend doing this most against a domestic assault because of the massive bias against men in these cases.

Quote: (10-18-2012 03:09 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Scorpion, your post about the Minneapolis Experiment is interesting. As a kid who grew up in the 80's and 90's I remember being blasted with a wave of propaganda concerning domestic violence and battered wives. The closest analogy is to the public indoctrination campaign regarding gay marriage and bullying going on today.

The shift from the 1970's until today has been that people in the West today no longer believe there is *any* problem in society that can be handled by private citizens, by families, and by communities. Every problem is a *social* problem that requires the involvement of the police, school administrators, and blue-ribbon federal commissions. This shift is evidence of a steep decline in trust in American society.

IIRC, the Minneapolis Experiment was debunked (the area studied was low class/high unemployment/high violence already, extraolating those results to normal peple was a stretch).