Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

1.How much cheaper is Minsk now compared to Poland?(I think Belorussian ruble got devaluated even further)

The only things which are considerably cheaper in Belarus are smokes, gasoline and alcohols, my hotel was expensive as if it was somewhere in the Western Europe, I wasn't shopping back then, so wait until I'll be back from my 2nd visit for more info.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

2.Are Belorussian girls easier or more difficult than Ukrainian girls?(for same quality)

I think in case of Belorussian women patience (and Russian skills) are more required. I'd call them soften Russian women version.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

3.What are the main differences between ukrainian and Belorussian girls? Who demand more?

I was there only 2,5 day so don't expect me to be that informed, but the thing is that the girl I banged, didn't ask me for anything, she seemed closer to polish standards, its a good omen.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

4.Belarus as a hunting ground is much better than Poland for a polish guy?If a Pole had the opportunity to travel would you recommend to him Belarus or Ukraine?

Definitely not better than Poland for an average guy, I'd only recommend visiting Belarus to someone who speaks Russian and is willing to spend there sometime.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

5.Do you think a Belorussian guy would do well in Poland?Or an Ukrainian guy?

Neither Ukrainian or Belorussian. Polish girls consider nations from the East of Poland as an extreme versions of Polish men (poorer, drinks more, more aggressive and violent towards women etc.) I even got an example to prove it: my mentioned in the DS friend from Ukraine was on a night out with me in Warsaw, even tho he's an oligarch, he had no success, telling to a Polish girls that you are from the East is a big turn off.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

6.Compared to polish are belarussian girls hotter?

Body POL < BYR
Face POL > BYR

I need to spend there more time.

Quote: (09-05-2012 02:49 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

7.Being a foreigner from EU counts more in Ukraine or Belarus?

Ukraine for sure. Belarus is more closed.

So you think Belarussian girls body is superior to polish?I was also astonished by the appearance of Belarussian girls in Minsk and even in a small city like Vitebsk.Such a concentration of beauties is unreal.However when I visited Warsaw to fly back to Greece polish girls seemed to have some stunners between them sth I did not see in Belarus(lots of 8's there but very few 9's and 10's).
Also daygame did not seem futile in Belarus.In Minsk the girls mostly responded negatively they were scared and I talked to them in Russian.Nightgame works however even in provincial Belarus.
You did not come to situations where the girl wants you to pay for drinks and food for her relatives or her friends?It seemed to me quite the case in provincial Belarus.
Also escalation wise Belarussian girls are not as quick as Ukrainian(or even polish).

I am afraid the question Belarus or Ukraine is rather difficult to be answered satisfactorily especially now when devaluation of Belarussian ruble has opened the gates.In my opinion Belarus is more for experienced hunters who are bored by the constant visits to Ukraine and do not like the Russian harshness.(police etc).

Great data sheet, polish rumble. I found it really informative. The part about the wimpy guy-hot girl combo seems to be a running theme throughout Eastern Europe, and I've been thinking about this phenomenon and why it doesn't seem to exist in the West.

I'm theorizing that it's because there's no monetary "safety net" for people in EE countries. The aggressive, muscular, highly masculine dudes don't have the privilege of welfare and other forms of government assistance like guys in the West have, so when they don't go to school and instead get caught up playing "alpha male" on their local block or village, they get left behind by the geeky dudes who go to school and set up a lifestyle for themselves locally.

When faced with the choice of financial security with a guy we'd describe as "beta" and a dirt-poor dude who we'd categorize as "alpha" in the West, she's going to choose the former. Anybody have any opinions on this thought?

I spent a lot of time in Lebanon, which is probably about the same in terms of socioeconomics as Belarus, and I saw this a lot there as well.

No,Belarussian dudes can be athletic but they are seldom aggressive.There is a lot of the Soviet style guy(good built) in Belarussian province.They get girls because they look good.In fact I did not see ugly dudes with hot girls(for example old,short,fat,bald dudes) like it is the case in Ukraine.Belarus is relatively unspoiled likely due to fact there are every few riches there since state controls everything(70-80% of economy is state owned).Most of Belarussians make exactly the same money.

In Ukraine there are extremely rich(who have harems) and extremely poor(who have nothing).In Belarus most are average close to poor but not extremely poor.Extreely rich are rare so to form a harem is a bit more difficult than in Ukraine(of course not impossible if you happen to be Russian oligarch but even then it is easier in Russia).

Quote: (09-05-2012 04:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

No,Belarussian dudes can be athletic but they are seldom aggressive.There is a lot of the Soviet style guy(good built) in Belarussian province.They get girls because they look good.In fact I did not see ugly dudes with hot girls(for example old,short,fat,bald dudes) like it is the case in Ukraine.Belarus is relatively unspoiled likely due to fact there are every few riches there since state controls everything(70-80% of economy is state owned).Most of Belarussians make exactly the same money.

In Ukraine there are extremely rich(who have harems) and extremely poor(who have nothing).In Belarus most are average close to poor but not extremely poor.Extreely rich are rare so to form a harem is a bit more difficult than in Ukraine(of course not impossible if you happen to be Russian oligarch but even then it is easier in Russia).

Kamaki, what is the average monthly wage in Belarus, especially in Minsk? I am thinking it is lower than Ukraine.

The current exchange rate is €1 = 10,570 BYR

When I visited last year it was 1 euro=6800 BYR if I remember and the salaries were about 1 million BYR/month but probably now they will have gone up to keep with inflation.(you cannot imagine how many people waited in line in exchange office to get some euros).
I think Belarussian wage must be 180-220 euro per month while Ukrainian is more close to 160-200 euro per month.The difference is that in Kiev the wages are much higher than the average for Ukraine they are almost double(close to 350-400 euro per month) while in Minsk they are not that higher from Belarussian average(they must be around 250-300 euro per month).

http://www.apartmentinminsk.com/news-blo...elarus.htm

Infrastructure in Belarus is also much better they have kept intact the Soviet infrastructure while the Ukrainian one was stolen(you see for example buildings in good condition in Belarus,functional cities etc while Ukrainian cities are in condition of decay they do not have money to renovate the historical buildings.In many cases it is even dangerous to walk close to them for danger of collapse).

The problem with Minsk was always that despite the low average wage,it was never very cheap. For the most part this was because there were simply no cheap hotels ( The Planeta was cheapest but even that was about €60 a night ). Apartments were damned expensive too. The only cheap way of staying in Minsk was to get hold of the local paper 'Iz Ruk V Ruki' and finding a locally rented apartment which were cheap but required you to be in the country to sort it out.

The good new is that Airbnb has changed that a little. The first hostels have now opened ( I know we don't want hostels necessarily but as a bridge until you find something cheaper they are great ) and there are some cheaper deals out there for apartments. It's opened the market and hence prices have dropped. The only problem is that most advertisers on there can't offer visa support.

Other things can be cheap in Minsk but not so much in the centre and not as cheap as people might think they would be. Clubs are not overly cheap nor restaurants,and I don't think the devaluation has changed that much according to people I know who've been in the last year. Prices for drinks and club entry etc has risen in line with the devaluation so things are not half as expensive as they were before.

FSU countries worship exclusivity. Therefore, clubs and restaurants are expensive , although , based on avg. income , prices should be much less. Going to provinces reduces the figures . However the culture tends t ocater to those with money and those without have to find money. Services do not cater to low or middle income. Gov't services seem to be the exception due to subsidies.

@Vorkuta
I second that, we all need to remember that Belarussian economy is centrally planned, the next thing is that the biggest import/export partner is Russia so think about the type and quality of products which are exchanged, add to that a couple of embargos established by EU because of 'multiple crimes against freedom of speech' and there you go - current prices in Minsk.

@jimukr104
True, everyone should keep in his mind that choosing a FSU capital equals bigger costs. I bet that smaller belarussian cities are much much cheaper.

Quote: (09-07-2012 05:41 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

@jimukr104
True, everyone should keep in his mind that choosing a FSU capital equals bigger costs. I bet that smaller belarussian cities are much much cheaper.

They are but the problem is finding cheap accommodation. Belarus has this excriminatory system in hotel pricing that means that Belorussians pay next to nothing for a room,a CIS member country citizen pays a heavily subsidized price and everyone else pays top money for what is usually a shitty Un-remounted room in a soviet monolith. I paid about €100 Euros in the hotel in Gomel and it was dire. Hopefully Airbnb will start to make in roads in provincial towns. Apartments can be had for 200USD a month but you need to blag the owner that you will rent it long term and you need to be on the ground to find them.

Apart from that,yeah very cheap. Transport,drinks,restaurants. I swear by the old Soviet canteens ( stolovayas ) that you find in every provincial city,there are some
excellent ones out there as good as any restaurant but a fraction of the price. Clubs are cheap but most girls can't afford them and so prefer to promenade with a bottle of beer along the river front or through the parks. Gomel and Vitebsk were excellent for this. The other thing that makes the provinces cheap is that there is nothing to buy,zero temptations! If I'm bored in a foreign country I find myself buying shit I don't really need but in Belarus there are no shopping centers outside of Minsk. There are just markets selling shoddy Ukrainian clothes and engine parts.

Update September 2012

SOCIETY & NATION :
• Belarusian language is considered to be embarrassing buz it’s in usage mainly in small towns and villages, therefore if you speak in Belorussian you are considered to be a peasant (interesting detail)
• Very low sense of patriotism (Russians and Western Ukrainians are proud of who they are, Belarusians ain’t)
• Lukashenka and political topics are taboo, the younger ones hate the dictator and want the change to happen, the elder ones don’t really care
• Belarusians feel undestimated, like a 2nd category European citizens, they need visas to enter literally every country apart from Russia and many of them can’t even afford it
• Germany is considered as an Arcadia, you wouldn’t guess how many people would like to live there
• People are usually very friendly, cultural and modest
• Guys are the least aggressive from FSU countries, If I had to put EE men in order from most to the lest aggressive that would be RUS > POL > UKR > BYR
• Do not believe in Belarusian average wage provided by the government, the real value is around 150 $, Belarusian ruble is so unstable that the locals usually have their saving in foreign currency
• Minsk isn’t cheap, now I know for sure, food in Minsk is more expensive than Polish one, and the quality is worst
• You will be surprised how many goods are local or Russian production (70-80%), and how many fakes you can find here (at least the girls won’t ask for a Gucci lingerie lol)
• University year starts in September
• Now I know why Minsk is so clean and free from abandoned animals or homeless people – bcuz of people sentenced to public work cleaning the city every morning and Militia who is taking care of homeless and animals (If you know what I mean)

NIGHTLIFE
• In my DS I have visited (as It turned out later) the best venues in town, and pretty much that was why I was struggling so hard. Gaming in Dozari is like gaming in Soho Moscow , you know what I mean ? If you want to set your bar high this should be your choice, but I discovered many smaller places with a slutty vibe where Belarusian girls show their true colours
• http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm a must read, If you want to party in Minsk, I second most of the stuff written there, my advice: skip the first 8 venues if you don’t like the poser vibe, or you don’t have enough money to show off like a boss, but be prepared for a lower quality
• I think that clubs are far better places for picking up women, in bars you will notice mostly guys

WOMEN
• Now, after spending there sometime, and seeing the students in action I have to change some of my insights from the DS
• Obviously, the game you have to bring to the table is the Eastern Game - some great points by Roosh, couldn’t say it better
• Girls are conservative it’s true, but I discovered that there are as many conservative ones as slutty ones who will jump on your dick just after seeing some money
• Student girls dress up more provocative than girls in Poland when on a night out, high heels and extremely short miniskirts are common, they like to expose their breasts as well (unfortunately small)
• Belarus is a place to find extremely fit, tall girls without tits and butts, in a word model material
• I maintain my statement, it’s hard to find a girl with a pretty face, extremely big noses and prominent cheekbones are a major problem, but let’s call it a matter of personal taste
• What do you do here? Are you married? Do you have kids? How is <insert country> like? What do you think about my looks? – be prepared to hear these questions
• Now I finally realized that is FSU after all, scammers and girls who are ready to do anything for money do exist here
• Ironically, thanks to Lukashenka and his visa policy, real-deal sex tourism is not that much developed like in Ukraine, you won’t find here a 50-year old creepy, bald French businessman and a 20 yo hottie sitting on his lap, although such pictures do exist here, the only difference is that the guy is Russian or Belarusian
• Are Belarusian girls ‘easy’? I think that depends, but one thing is left with no doubt: If you speak a fluent russian, and you’re ready to spend some money here, you gonna have a blast. I ve met a couple of Russian folks from Moscow. They called Belarus their ‘own Thailand’. I also met a Czech guy, he said that he travels to Minsk as often as he can.
• If someone told me after my first visit to Minsk, that he found his own pussy paradise there, I’d call him a troll. Now, such statement wouldn’t surprise me a bit.


If you ever been to Russia, you will find Belarus (Minsk) as a more relaxed, less tensed and peaceful place. Women are as well a softer Russian version, nicer. In Russia (Moscow) there is very strict law against gambling, so Russians often come to Minsk for its casinos. They find Minsk to be 5 times cheaper than Moscow. One of them told me : “Here in Minsk for a dinner in a exclusive restaurant you have to pay 100 $. In Moscow you won’t get a lunch for that amount of money”. So called ‘Junked Tours’ are becoming more and more popular in Russia. I mentioned all of this to show you that the true competition in Minsk ain’t Westerners but Easterners.

That would be all that comes to my mind right now. Some things I’ll keep to myself, I don’t want to reveal everything in front of so many lurkers who contribute shit. Feel free to ask any questions, as long as they’re on topic.

Here It was shown to me, impressive propaganda promo movie.

Here a good, independent site with quality info.
http://belaruspartizan.org/

Here an article about internet law (worth to know)
http://www.loc.gov/lawweb/servlet/lloc_n...02929_text

Here, once again site where the nightlife is described, plus some photos
http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm

Interesting.So you think Russians regard Belarus as a primary hunting ground?Are there also Poles to be found there?You think Russian and polish guys game differs?
Also is the Belarussian girls response towards Russians and Poles better than the rest of Westerners?Are they less closed in case the guy comes from neighbouring slavic country?You think that level of sluttinesss surpasses polish girls?Compared to Russian girls levels?
Also what is your opinion about daygame possibilities in Minsk?Did you get any response?By scammers you mean girls who are keen to dine in expensive restaurants in exchange of nothing?Do they ask for sushi like Ukrainian girls?
Also do you think Belarussian girls often cheat?Is the same game(flashing money) essentially the same as with polish girls or are there nuances regarding polish girls?How does FSU compare to Poland?(meaning where do you get higher quality spending less money?)

You also think compared to polish women Belarussian women:
1.Are taller?
2.Have smaller breasts?
3.Have flatter asses?
4.Bigger noses?
5.More prominent cheekbones?
I would say 2 and 3 are right with the cheekbones among polish girls not showing so much due to the general round face(while Belarussian tend to have more the oval,triangular slavic face than the round slavic face).
Also in your opinion who has bigger and brighter eyes?Belarussian or polish girls?Do you think blondes are more common in Belarus?

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you think Russians regard Belarus as a primary hunting ground?

Totally. Their looks ain't obstacle there, Belarusian love Russians and vice versa. In their opinion Belarusian women are easier to handle and demand less.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Are there also Poles to be found there?You think Russian and polish guys game differs?

Haven't met one, just saw some cars on polish plates, so I cannot point out the differences.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also is the Belarussian girls response towards Russians and Poles better than the rest of Westerners?

I think that I doesn't really matter as long as you have money. But I imagine that opening Belarusian western borders would cause a big culture shock, now the girls simply haven't got used to meeting foreigners, it still a closed society.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Are they less closed in case the guy comes from neighbouring slavic country?You think that level of sluttinesss surpasses polish girls?Compared to Russian girls levels?

I'd say so. It really helps. Some polish students look like nuns when compared to Belarusians. It's a typical lack of class if you know what I mean, and Russian girls without a doubt have the class.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also what is your opinion about daygame possibilities in Minsk?Did you get any response?

Sure, but I think it's better to game them in cafes/shops than on the streets. Russian only. Just as for an opinion or direction.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

By scammers you mean girls who are keen to dine in expensive restaurants in exchange of nothing?Do they ask for sushi like Ukrainian girls?

More like the case Roosh described in Latvia. When I sense that girl wants something from me it's game over.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also do you think Belarussian girls often cheat?

No idea. But the 50% divorce rate can be a clue here.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Is the same game(flashing money) essentially the same as with polish girls or are there nuances regarding polish girls?

In Poland you don't need to show off with your money to get yourself a hoe, at lest it won't help as much as id does in FSU.

Quote: (09-20-2012 07:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

How does FSU compare to Poland?(meaning where do you get higher quality spending less money?)

In Poland.

Quote: (09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You also think compared to polish women Belarussian women:
1.Are taller?
2.Have smaller breasts?
3.Have flatter asses?
4.Bigger noses?
5.More prominent cheekbones?
6.who has bigger and brighter eyes?Belarussian or polish girls?
7.Do you think blondes are more common in Belarus?

1. BYR or maybe it's just higher heels
2. BYR on average
3. BYR
4. BYR just slightly
5. BYR
6. I'd say BYR but im not 100% sure
7. BYR without a doubt

Here we see a video of the famous club Next in Minsk.Do you think it is worth visiting or is it full of semipros as rumoured?












Dozari club here.I agree that girls look upscale dressed for Belarussian standards.






The slavic world has so many heavens it is unbelievable.

Middle aged polish guy killing it in Minsk.It looks Poles are rather welcome.






The Pole becomes an oligarch in Minsk.

Quote: (09-20-2012 04:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Here we see a video of the famous club Next in Minsk.Do you think it is worth visiting or is it full of semipros as rumoured?

Dozari club here.I agree that girls look upscale dressed for Belarussian standards.

The slavic world has so many heavens it is unbelievable.

Middle aged polish guy killing it in Minsk.It looks Poles are rather welcome.

Good stuff Kamaki.

Belarusian studenka I was smashing a while back told me to avoid places like Dozari and Next as it is full of posers, super wealthy, semi-pros and Turkish sex tourists. She recommended Overtime, NLO and especially Titan, i.e. where the locals tend to hang out and isn't affected by the groups mentioned above.

Quote: (09-20-2012 04:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Here we see a video of the famous club Next in Minsk.Do you think it is worth visiting or is it full of semipros as rumoured?

If you are residing in Crowne Plaza its a must visit, the crowd mostly consist of the hotel guests, but it's not popular in the student community, in other words it's not the place for looking after students.

Quote: (09-20-2012 04:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Dozari club here.I agree that girls look upscale dressed for Belarussian standards.

Not only women, but check out men, all suited up, or in slim fit button shirt, its the most prestigious place, the quality will blow your mind, but keep in mind the face control at the entrance, and once again it's not the place to look after students.

Quote: (09-20-2012 04:39 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

Belarusian studenka I was smashing a while back told me to avoid places like Dozari and Next as it is full of posers, super wealthy, semi-pros and Turkish sex tourists. She recommended Overtime, NLO and especially Titan, i.e. where the locals tend to hang out and isn't affected by the groups mentioned above.

Turkish sex tourists ?
I haven't met not one middle-eastern looking guy, besides that I think that sex tourists are looking for brothels or extremely cheap places with poor students, Next and Dozari are not that kind of places. Like i said In my update, If you don't like the poser vibe, skip the first 8 places from the site.

one of the best data sheet i've ever seen

Documentary about Belarus:

Quote: (07-03-2012 12:39 PM)polish rumble Wrote:  

........I got my Belarusian flag. We are still texting each other even now, after almost month.......

How does one text between EE countries? I had Ukrainian cell, but how do you get across to, say, Belarussian or Polish contacts? I know you can do it with something like Facebook; but I've quit Facebook.

Quote: (09-20-2012 05:28 AM)polish rumble Wrote:  

Here It was shown to me, impressive propaganda promo movie.

Damn, the production quality on that video is pretty incredible. The English, not so much

"Belarus: one day in life. Welcome to discover more."

Quote: (09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You also think compared to polish women Belarussian women:
1.Are taller?
2.Have smaller breasts?
3.Have flatter asses?
4.Bigger noses?
5.More prominent cheekbones?
I would say 2 and 3 are right with the cheekbones among polish girls not showing so much due to the general round face(while Belarussian tend to have more the oval,triangular slavic face than the round slavic face).
Also in your opinion who has bigger and brighter eyes?Belarussian or polish girls?Do you think blondes are more common in Belarus?

I think belarussian women tend to have more slender/modelesque figures, taller and also a bit blonder on average than polish. Poland have more curvy women/fuller and of average height, I guess it varies per region though. I would guess belarusian women have smaller breast comoared to polish ones. I wouldnt say the ass is flat though.. It might be not as big but usually good shaped.

It also depends where in poland we are talking about.. I have seen some polish women from south-east.. and they didnt look like typical polish from warsaw... but clearly germanic influenced and closer to the Czech... which I personally find nicer... Southern-western polish women must be the prettiest in poland I think.

I'm in Minsk atm, will try Dozari tonight although I'm a bit concerned because of the facecheck, my buddy looks very arabic and we are not sure how that will work around here. We are both very smart dressers though so I hope it will be ok.

However, in case it doesn't turn out well, I'm curious about those "smaller venues with slutty vibe" that you mentioned. Can you give me a couple of names just in case?

Thanks!!

Quote: (04-18-2014 12:42 PM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

I'm in Minsk atm, will try Dozari tonight although I'm a bit concerned because of the facecheck, my buddy looks very arabic and we are not sure how that will work around here. We are both very smart dressers though so I hope it will be ok.

However, in case it doesn't turn out well, I'm curious about those "smaller venues with slutty vibe" that you mentioned. Can you give me a couple of names just in case?

Thanks!!

Luke, are you seeing a heavy influx of hockey fans already for the World Championships? Might be one big stag party with all the Scandinavian and Russian men descending on Minsk.

Nobody here so far. Went to Dozari tonight, me and my friend were the only foreigners there. Completely destroyed the venue, I heavily made out with a 8.5 in front of her best friend (who was also a 8.5) and tomorrow I have a date with the best friend, she actually didn't care I was making out with the original chick. Suffered two jealousy scenes from girls that got upset that I was talking to other girls. In the end my friend had to pull me out of the club because I was too drunk but I was still flirting non stop with girls. I'm not lying if I say 80% of the girls in the club were trying to hit on me, and some of them got quite upset because I wasn't paying attention to them. The ratio was easily 80-20% and there was no competition whatsoever. Never happened to me in my life (and Kiev was awesome a couple of years ago). I would move here in a whim, the potential is immense.

After the club we went for sushi in the restaurant next to Dozari. My friend started chatting with a girl there (a 7). He's still with her. I came back home because I was too drunk and her friend wasn't hot. My friend doesn't know the community and essentially doesn't have any game. It's that easy.

We had no problems to get in. The key is the same as in other places. Arrive super early and go VERY well dressed. I was dressed on jeans, a shirt, suspenders and a tie, and a nice Diesel jacket on top of it. We had no problems whatsoever, although we arrived at 11:45 and had to wait a good two hours before the venue really started rocking. We'll definitely go back tomorrow.