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Skinny Guys and Game
08-30-2012, 01:13 PM
I think Roosh did a good job with the video and I more or less agree with the points he makes, it is also good to see that he is admitting the role looks play here in the U.S., as before it seemed that you'd get slapped with "game denialist" allegations when bringing up the importance of looks.
He is right on when he says that women in the U.S. are becoming more like men when it comes to how they select their sexual partners, it seems like they are all becoming more superficial or "visual" like men in wanting to hook up with the "hottest" guys. It will often work out that they will fuck the hottest guys and even have sex with them fully knowing that they will never get a commitment, the guy is just interested in sex, and is fucking other women, while they would very rarely tolerate such things from a less handsome man.
Not to hijack this thread and make it about height, or even height vs muscles vs game, but I think height is a way bigger factor in attraction than muscles. Obviously we can not change out height, unless we wear "lifts" or get that expensive surgery, neither option I would ever consider or even consider recommending to other guys. That said, I've been at the gym hard for the last 16 months, I started as a pretty out of shape guy, not fat, but no muscle definition, a bit of a gut and maybe some slight flab, I was probably 175, now I'm 190 lbs, but I have put on all muscle while losing a decent bit of body fat. I am pretty big, have HUGE traps, chest, and back, but still lacking in my arms even though I am strong, point being is that my physique has changed and it's obvious to people that I'm strong/lift weights/take the gym seriously.
Has my attraction level in women gone up? I'd say it has, but not in such a major way where there has been a huge change and I'm getting laid at a much higher frequency with higher quality women. I think if I crush it in the gym for another 8 months and stack on another 10 lbs of muscle and get my arms (tricep/biceps) huge, then it will start to make a much bigger effect. Kind of like BasilRansom said if you're in that intermediate range with your physique you're not going to have women outright approaching you to compliment and feel your muscles, but once you get jacked like Alistair Overeem women will be more or less lining up.
Another point to be made is that even having a nice physique, if you don't have the right wardrobe it's a total waste. For years I was more into baggy clothes and only bought XL t-shirts, now I only buy large t-shirts if they fit well, and prefer tighter fitting clothes now that I have a nice body where I actually want to display all the hard work that I've put into to get it. You can have big shoulders, arm, nice butt, sculpted chest, but if you wear really baggy poor-fitting clothes, women won't even be able to tell, when I wear tight fitting clothes I get about 10X the reaction as when I wear baggy clothes, even had guy friends be like "damn man looks like you got swole recently."
So to re-cap my point, you got to be really buff like in the top 5% for women to be swooning over you about your physique, but going to the gym and having a nice physique will definitely be a big bonus and give you an edge over other guys. For me the biggest effects it's had are in the amount of IOIs I receive and also even more important is that I get a lot of women initiating kino with me, where they will be touching my shoulders, arms, traps, chest, while we are talking which is obviously a big sign, and gives me the green light to return that kino back to them. I've even had women recently that have groped me at the bar, a few grabbed my butt and chest, and one even straight up grabbed my dick and squeezed it as she walked past, unfortunately I wasn't attracted enough to any of them to spit game and hook up, so while it kind of was an ego boost, it also kind of pissed me off when thinking about it in the light of "feminism" and "sexual harassment."
Anyways, a final point that I want to make is that beyond attracting women, you feel more dominate when you are big. I notice that a lot of my peers at the bar tend to be around my height and the skinny ones probably weight only 150-160 lbs, I got about 30 lbs of muscle on these guys, and on some kind of psychological level I feel like I can fuck them up if they were to ever try to fuck with me.
P.S. Roosh I think you got the right genetics, you look pretty strong for a guy who drinks and stay out late chasing women several times a week, if you just stuck with a consistent gym schedule, bulked up your diet and protein intake, I think you'd get jacked pretty easily.