First post here... I want to jump in on the discussion, but first please allow me to use this thread to introduce myself. I hope it's not inappropriate to do so, and I'll start a new one if the admins would rather. I'll proceed to provide as much value as I can à propos to this thread, since I am a Montreal native and in my late 20s and I'm busting my ass to establish myself as a reputable local dating/lifestyle coach here... (If you only care for what I have to say about the night scene, proceed to the ***)
For the past while I've been searching for a forum that represents the kind of community I want to belong to, contribute to, and recieve advice or other value. I've had Roosh's blog on my blogroll for I'd say about a year, and although I don't agree 100% with what he says (as I'm assuming its the same for most of the people here, given my hopefully valid assumption that you folks aren't blind followers/sheeps to Roosh) but the stance on the dynamics between men/women, decline of masculinity, rise of unfavorable feminist side-effects, etc... is dead-on and I agree with overall vision, complaints, and of course the pick-up idealogy (I actively use concepts from Day Bang... elderly opener anyone?).
Anyway, I've read through some of the threads over the past few weeks here, as well as on a few other bachelor/male oriented forums, and I like the vibe, maturity, intellegence here best, so I'll give this place a shot.
To digress, I'm 26, and I recently (last month) finished a Masters degree in Civil/Environmental engineering. Buuut... I'm putting that career on hold, because for the past I think 3 years I've been dreaming of being a dating and lifestyle coach... I won't get into it much here, unless asked, but the last 2 summers I coached a handful of men for free. I run only daygame sessions. I differ (or at least I'd like to differ) from your average PUA guru, as I don't plan on doing concentrated weekend bootcamps. I'd rather work on guys slowly over months. I also, and I really really hope this to be possible, I want to avoid attracting 'community', 'PUA', etc guys. That's why you haven't heard from me in pick-up forums or seen any ads. I want introverted type guys who wouldn't actively seek help... anyway if you're curious check out my site simondigital.net. (not trying to be a shameless plug as I'm local only). I welcome constructive critisms of course.
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Sooo... onto MTL inside info. Firstly my credentials are that I've been in Montreal all my life, but I don't claim to be a night-game connaisseure. Drinking age here is 18, so I've been clubbing since I was 16, 17... so I feel too old for many places, especially clubs where I hardly feel like going. Plus I'm an introvert, and I shine in daygame.
In my responses, sorry in advance if I'm a dick to anyone, this is all in good humour. Nothing personal of course.
So...
-> Regarding what caused all that stirring, those first pics:
That was a lot of unwarranted heat/circle-jerking comming from you guys, in my opinion. Sure they weren't the best pictures, but that's just it, they were candid/quick pictures of randoms in unflarring positions, taken at people's sweatiest of times, with shitty flash, some with a fucking fish-eye type lens... noboby is photogenic when compared to professional photos. 90% of those femmes could be dolled up better and staged (and photoshopped) to look great and meet your standards. Think about 3am when they turn on the lights and tell you to go home... everybody drops 2 points, including you.
And fuck guys.... some were at least OK... I mean use your imagination and try to picture what they would look like live, in 3D, with an unforced smile . Yes these are typical Montreal girls.
so with that, TRUST ME WHEN I SAY: MONTREAL IS BLESSED. FUCKING BLESSED.
K fine, if those pics were taken at la Musique, LaBoom, Koi, Ivy... basically any place that charges cover and has no windows... You'll get that type of girl. You want to see real Montreal women, were you'll fall in love literally every two seconds? Walk St-Catherine's during a SUNNY, NICE day. I know because I did that just yesterday, and a hundred times this summer. Insane. I swear I don't know where they go during the winter and rainy days. I've always assumed they come out of the sewers or something. Anyway, it's just amazing: the multicutured variety, the style, the fitness... it's awesome at least to me and to guys who appreciate real life women.
Regarding where to not go:
Listening to someone that says 'I spend 10 days there so go to A,B,C' is fucking unreliable. Unreliable like Lonely Planet unreliable. Not meant to be a jab at anyone trying to be helpful, as I'm sure that applies to every big city anywhere, especially in MTL where trends move around consistantly. Plus the best places are always victims of their own success, so people are reluctant to share these secrets. I know that's both a generalization and kindof rediculous, but that's my observation. Just a few months ago, I wen't to one place (Santos if you care)... I swear, the ratio was 3 goddesses to 1 wallflower ethnic guy. I would have ran game like it was a paying job, but I was with female friends that I hadn't seen in a while and it was innappropiate. Anyway, after yapping about it to my usual wing and building it up like crazy, we go THE VERY NEXT WEEK... It was like that Seinfeld episode were George brings Jerry to that secret club, but only after he looses his connection... I mean, the place might have well been a meat packing plant like in the show.
To digress, I'll start with the places that in my opinion should be coverted to 'do not go!' from 'yes gos'.
-Tokyo (not a bad Plan B place if your orginal plan falls through)
-Balroom (wtf?...no offence)
- radio (unless you're coming in 2003, then yes)
- Most clubs on St-Laurent between Sherbrooke and Duluth (highest density of clubs) have mostly younger crowds, charge cover, sausage fest, too packed, too dead...
- Arena: never been, but that location (the only joint in the Atwater area) has had a succession of failed clubs.
Regarding where to go:
-Right now the old Montreal is hot for an older crowd. Most are 21+, some even 25+: Philemon, Santos, Confessional.
-Places with a terrasse: Koko, Suko,
- Places on St-Laurent in Mile end: Baldwins, Chez Serge,
-Places on Mont-Royal: Edgar, Candi (I went to Candi last Saturday... this place is DESIGN FOR WOMEN. Every drink is made of sugar and the music will make any man want to smash his face in... but there was some talent.)
... sorry if that list is short... I honestly don't go out too often , especially for game anymore. Honestly, your best bet is to day game hard, and find out what the word on the street is. I've done that before, and I live here... easiest opener.
- Good pubs where you go for food, live music, amazing drinks, not necessarily to run game: Vice Versa (Crazy long list of obscur Quebec beers and ciders if you appreciate that sort of thing), Irish Embassy, Brutopia, Hurleys, Benelux, Burgendy Lion (Oh Burgendy, how I love you so... see you this Euro cup), Reservoir (my default second date place... amazing beer they brew in place), Comedy works on Bishop is the best comedy place.
- Shahrazad is the only place I know with excellent shisha (no alcohol) and the food is good too. I've actually met some honey coloured honeys in my day as well.
Regarding where I'm unsure of: never went to, it's been a while, mixed experiences (swing and misses):
Honestly, most places for the reasons I mentioned (I'm old + introverted + not the hippest cat in town)...
-High end places like Wunder Bar, Whiskey Cafe, Time (It's been years for, but tight music), Suite 701.. not really my scene.
- Korova... hipster central
-Supperclubs like Buonanote, Macaroni
- Baldwin is swing and miss... but when it's on, it's a great singles place. So is B-sides and Gogo Lounge.
- I used to love Hotel de la Montagne cause it's on a roof top with an awesome view. Some game potential
- 737 hasn't been good in ages, but fuck, it's on the roof of the tallest building in mtl, so I strongly suggest you go for the experience alone, maybe for pre-drinks. A lot of tourists go for that reason, so you might find more english speakers.
- I've actually had a good times at la Musique, but that was when I was with a big group partying and the music was incredibly tight.
-Upstairs is our jazz joint, never bee, but I assume it's classy.
- Saint-Sulpice... biggest fucking bar in MTL...packed with cutish French sudents (but mostly sitting in groups) if that's your flavor
- I heard Lab is good, never been.
- LaMouche... it's been years, but I think it's pretty young.
Regarding Le Francais.
Everyone in Montreal speaks at least a bit of English. Everyone. I don't particularly feel like getting into semantics, but bottom line, I'm an anglophone that does speak a bit of French, but I wouldn't use that shit as a valid excuse to justify a shitty night...as much as you shouldn't complain about being in Latvia with similar language barriers, you shouldn't complain here. Game/communication is 90% body language remember??
Regarding daygame:
This was initially going to be my best section, since this is my professional jurisdiction, if I might say it that way... but I wrote a lot... If you are interested, I could start a day-game sheet for mtl...
Sims
For the past while I've been searching for a forum that represents the kind of community I want to belong to, contribute to, and recieve advice or other value. I've had Roosh's blog on my blogroll for I'd say about a year, and although I don't agree 100% with what he says (as I'm assuming its the same for most of the people here, given my hopefully valid assumption that you folks aren't blind followers/sheeps to Roosh) but the stance on the dynamics between men/women, decline of masculinity, rise of unfavorable feminist side-effects, etc... is dead-on and I agree with overall vision, complaints, and of course the pick-up idealogy (I actively use concepts from Day Bang... elderly opener anyone?).
Anyway, I've read through some of the threads over the past few weeks here, as well as on a few other bachelor/male oriented forums, and I like the vibe, maturity, intellegence here best, so I'll give this place a shot.
To digress, I'm 26, and I recently (last month) finished a Masters degree in Civil/Environmental engineering. Buuut... I'm putting that career on hold, because for the past I think 3 years I've been dreaming of being a dating and lifestyle coach... I won't get into it much here, unless asked, but the last 2 summers I coached a handful of men for free. I run only daygame sessions. I differ (or at least I'd like to differ) from your average PUA guru, as I don't plan on doing concentrated weekend bootcamps. I'd rather work on guys slowly over months. I also, and I really really hope this to be possible, I want to avoid attracting 'community', 'PUA', etc guys. That's why you haven't heard from me in pick-up forums or seen any ads. I want introverted type guys who wouldn't actively seek help... anyway if you're curious check out my site simondigital.net. (not trying to be a shameless plug as I'm local only). I welcome constructive critisms of course.
***
Sooo... onto MTL inside info. Firstly my credentials are that I've been in Montreal all my life, but I don't claim to be a night-game connaisseure. Drinking age here is 18, so I've been clubbing since I was 16, 17... so I feel too old for many places, especially clubs where I hardly feel like going. Plus I'm an introvert, and I shine in daygame.
In my responses, sorry in advance if I'm a dick to anyone, this is all in good humour. Nothing personal of course.
So...
-> Regarding what caused all that stirring, those first pics:
That was a lot of unwarranted heat/circle-jerking comming from you guys, in my opinion. Sure they weren't the best pictures, but that's just it, they were candid/quick pictures of randoms in unflarring positions, taken at people's sweatiest of times, with shitty flash, some with a fucking fish-eye type lens... noboby is photogenic when compared to professional photos. 90% of those femmes could be dolled up better and staged (and photoshopped) to look great and meet your standards. Think about 3am when they turn on the lights and tell you to go home... everybody drops 2 points, including you.
And fuck guys.... some were at least OK... I mean use your imagination and try to picture what they would look like live, in 3D, with an unforced smile . Yes these are typical Montreal girls.
so with that, TRUST ME WHEN I SAY: MONTREAL IS BLESSED. FUCKING BLESSED.
K fine, if those pics were taken at la Musique, LaBoom, Koi, Ivy... basically any place that charges cover and has no windows... You'll get that type of girl. You want to see real Montreal women, were you'll fall in love literally every two seconds? Walk St-Catherine's during a SUNNY, NICE day. I know because I did that just yesterday, and a hundred times this summer. Insane. I swear I don't know where they go during the winter and rainy days. I've always assumed they come out of the sewers or something. Anyway, it's just amazing: the multicutured variety, the style, the fitness... it's awesome at least to me and to guys who appreciate real life women.
Regarding where to not go:
Listening to someone that says 'I spend 10 days there so go to A,B,C' is fucking unreliable. Unreliable like Lonely Planet unreliable. Not meant to be a jab at anyone trying to be helpful, as I'm sure that applies to every big city anywhere, especially in MTL where trends move around consistantly. Plus the best places are always victims of their own success, so people are reluctant to share these secrets. I know that's both a generalization and kindof rediculous, but that's my observation. Just a few months ago, I wen't to one place (Santos if you care)... I swear, the ratio was 3 goddesses to 1 wallflower ethnic guy. I would have ran game like it was a paying job, but I was with female friends that I hadn't seen in a while and it was innappropiate. Anyway, after yapping about it to my usual wing and building it up like crazy, we go THE VERY NEXT WEEK... It was like that Seinfeld episode were George brings Jerry to that secret club, but only after he looses his connection... I mean, the place might have well been a meat packing plant like in the show.
To digress, I'll start with the places that in my opinion should be coverted to 'do not go!' from 'yes gos'.
-Tokyo (not a bad Plan B place if your orginal plan falls through)
-Balroom (wtf?...no offence)
- radio (unless you're coming in 2003, then yes)
- Most clubs on St-Laurent between Sherbrooke and Duluth (highest density of clubs) have mostly younger crowds, charge cover, sausage fest, too packed, too dead...
- Arena: never been, but that location (the only joint in the Atwater area) has had a succession of failed clubs.
Regarding where to go:
-Right now the old Montreal is hot for an older crowd. Most are 21+, some even 25+: Philemon, Santos, Confessional.
-Places with a terrasse: Koko, Suko,
- Places on St-Laurent in Mile end: Baldwins, Chez Serge,
-Places on Mont-Royal: Edgar, Candi (I went to Candi last Saturday... this place is DESIGN FOR WOMEN. Every drink is made of sugar and the music will make any man want to smash his face in... but there was some talent.)
... sorry if that list is short... I honestly don't go out too often , especially for game anymore. Honestly, your best bet is to day game hard, and find out what the word on the street is. I've done that before, and I live here... easiest opener.
- Good pubs where you go for food, live music, amazing drinks, not necessarily to run game: Vice Versa (Crazy long list of obscur Quebec beers and ciders if you appreciate that sort of thing), Irish Embassy, Brutopia, Hurleys, Benelux, Burgendy Lion (Oh Burgendy, how I love you so... see you this Euro cup), Reservoir (my default second date place... amazing beer they brew in place), Comedy works on Bishop is the best comedy place.
- Shahrazad is the only place I know with excellent shisha (no alcohol) and the food is good too. I've actually met some honey coloured honeys in my day as well.
Regarding where I'm unsure of: never went to, it's been a while, mixed experiences (swing and misses):
Honestly, most places for the reasons I mentioned (I'm old + introverted + not the hippest cat in town)...
-High end places like Wunder Bar, Whiskey Cafe, Time (It's been years for, but tight music), Suite 701.. not really my scene.
- Korova... hipster central
-Supperclubs like Buonanote, Macaroni
- Baldwin is swing and miss... but when it's on, it's a great singles place. So is B-sides and Gogo Lounge.
- I used to love Hotel de la Montagne cause it's on a roof top with an awesome view. Some game potential
- 737 hasn't been good in ages, but fuck, it's on the roof of the tallest building in mtl, so I strongly suggest you go for the experience alone, maybe for pre-drinks. A lot of tourists go for that reason, so you might find more english speakers.
- I've actually had a good times at la Musique, but that was when I was with a big group partying and the music was incredibly tight.
-Upstairs is our jazz joint, never bee, but I assume it's classy.
- Saint-Sulpice... biggest fucking bar in MTL...packed with cutish French sudents (but mostly sitting in groups) if that's your flavor
- I heard Lab is good, never been.
- LaMouche... it's been years, but I think it's pretty young.
Regarding Le Francais.
Everyone in Montreal speaks at least a bit of English. Everyone. I don't particularly feel like getting into semantics, but bottom line, I'm an anglophone that does speak a bit of French, but I wouldn't use that shit as a valid excuse to justify a shitty night...as much as you shouldn't complain about being in Latvia with similar language barriers, you shouldn't complain here. Game/communication is 90% body language remember??
Regarding daygame:
This was initially going to be my best section, since this is my professional jurisdiction, if I might say it that way... but I wrote a lot... If you are interested, I could start a day-game sheet for mtl...
Sims