Please delete if this is a repost (as many know I'm usually only on this via mobile

Anyway not a "LTR/Marriage" thread there are a million on here. Scenario is the following:

"How do I have a kid of my own, stay single and avoid paying tons of money to said mother"

Curious to hear older gent opinions. I have no interest in kids as of now but may as well get some information if that changes. The USA is a no go on this front, half my check would be going her way in some way shape or form, similar to divorce. Thoughts?

I do that here in the US. Draw blood first and have the best family law guy. Pick a girl who doesn't have enough cash to fight him. Keep records of everything and a diary of the day to day fucked upness she throws at you. You can move here and use mine if you like. Sent three of my friends to him and all three have custody and don't pay.

I said before here if I have another kid the mother will be served in the delivery room. I think most dudes who claim they're getting fucked etc didn't play the game and don't really want custody. What's wrong with 50/50 split? You have a house to run and so does she. This is changing as women become more fucked up and more dads are getting the support.

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I do that here in the US. Draw blood first and have the best family law guy. Pick a girl who doesn't have enough cash to fight him. Keep records of everything and a diary of the day to day fucked upness she throws at you. You can move here and use mine if you like. Sent three of my friends to him and all three have custody and don't pay.

I said before here if I have another kid the mother will be served in the delivery room. I think most dudes who claim they're getting fucked etc didn't play the game and don't really want custody. What's wrong with 50/50 split? You have a house to run and so does she. This is changing as women become more fucked up and more dads are getting the support.

Interesting only issue with that is I'd be getting some bad genes from the mom's side if I am going low-brow status, but that all makes sense. Don't want a 50/50 split in terms of $$$ because I have no doubt I would be getting burned.

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:28 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I do that here in the US. Draw blood first and have the best family law guy. Pick a girl who doesn't have enough cash to fight him. Keep records of everything and a diary of the day to day fucked upness she throws at you. You can move here and use mine if you like. Sent three of my friends to him and all three have custody and don't pay.

I said before here if I have another kid the mother will be served in the delivery room. I think most dudes who claim they're getting fucked etc didn't play the game and don't really want custody. What's wrong with 50/50 split? You have a house to run and so does she. This is changing as women become more fucked up and more dads are getting the support.

Interesting only issue with that is I'd be getting some bad genes from the mom's side if I am going low-brow status, but that all makes sense. Don't want a 50/50 split in terms of $$$ because I have no doubt I would be getting burned.

So if the girl doesn't have the cash to fight a top notch att she has bad genes? Troll the trailer parks and look for a hottie.

Egg donor? Surrogate mother? Adoption?

You would for sure have to make sure your end of the $$$ is on point. But then also I am in the camp that a kid is best with a mom and pops. How do you approach that situation then? 50/50 means weekends at different spots. The pops brings stability and teaching a young pup how to be a man, and a girl how to be respectful of herself or others, but moms bring important shit to that equation too.


Genes are one thing but environment is another. A kid whom is smart and good looking can end up in the tank if he's raised in a shit home. Likewise a busted up kid, whom was labeled a moron by doctors as a child can become a Rhodes scholar and win Super Bowls if he is raised in a stable home.

How do work that part out @Mech? Is the current situation ideal or do you got a grandma or mom helping out for the female aspect of it all?

If you are not married, then she is only entitled to child support, if she gets primary physical custody. If she does not get physical custody, she doesn't even get that. Why do you think she would get half? Although, every situation is different, EM is right that a good lawyer who knows his way around your jurisdiction is key, hit hard and hit fast. Conflict out a bunch of other lawyers and she will be left with the dregs. Look at Newt Gingrich...say what you want about his politics, dude handled all his divorces.

Wonder if you could do something like this: get a smart affluent woman to have your kid, and then get her to leave, hand over full custody and pay child support.

Still, it sounds dubious. I wonder if kids turn out worse with only a father. I'd be especially concerned about a daughter, who might become mannish without a mother. Plus, you can only do it for one kid.

Instead of getting married by the state, have just the party, and sign a common law marriage contract/prenup or something. Less potentially ruinous than regular marriage, and just as good for the kid. You still couldn't be a pussy hound. And honestly, if I had kids, I wouldn't want to be cheating on their mother.

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:32 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:28 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:19 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I do that here in the US. Draw blood first and have the best family law guy. Pick a girl who doesn't have enough cash to fight him. Keep records of everything and a diary of the day to day fucked upness she throws at you. You can move here and use mine if you like. Sent three of my friends to him and all three have custody and don't pay.

I said before here if I have another kid the mother will be served in the delivery room. I think most dudes who claim they're getting fucked etc didn't play the game and don't really want custody. What's wrong with 50/50 split? You have a house to run and so does she. This is changing as women become more fucked up and more dads are getting the support.

Interesting only issue with that is I'd be getting some bad genes from the mom's side if I am going low-brow status, but that all makes sense. Don't want a 50/50 split in terms of $$$ because I have no doubt I would be getting burned.

So if the girl doesn't have the cash to fight a top notch att she has bad genes? Troll the trailer parks and look for a hottie.

Strippers my friend. Hot and dumb. Worked for me.


I made the mistake of knocking up my long term fuckbuddy. I had a good run. Smashed her out on demand from 17-30. She got pregnant and pressured me for a serious relationship. Problem was she wanted to be in control of EVERYTHING. I told her to get lost. Been fighting with her for custody ever since. The past 3 years I've had a lawyer dealing with her shit cause its gotten so ridiculous. Cops knocking at my door every weekend. Calls and interviews from Division of Youth and Family Services. I'm 3 months away from getting sole custody from her. About $15k deep in lawyer fees. In 2 weeks she gets hit with about $7000 in fines, lawyer fees, contempt of court charges and will lose her child support. My lawyer is a real prick.

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:37 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Egg donor? Surrogate mother? Adoption?

Ha! Yep you already hit on my plan which would be to adopt more likely than any but wanted to see what some people are doing. Issue for myself personally is 3 fold:

1. Getting a hot low end girl like el Mech suggests would create a mom whose likely not gonna make a good mother
2. Getting a hot higher end girl will create a kid with entitlement issues who ends up believing the world owes him shit
3. Getting ripped for cash

Adoption makes the most sense because I'd be positively impacting the kid out the gate, but that has a whole different bed of worms w/ it

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  

You would for sure have to make sure your end of the $$$ is on point. But then also I am in the camp that a kid is best with a mom and pops. How do you approach that situation then? 50/50 means weekends at different spots. The pops brings stability and teaching a young pup how to be a man, and a girl how to be respectful of herself or others, but moms bring important shit to that equation too.


Genes are one thing but environment is another. A kid whom is smart and good looking can end up in the tank if he's raised in a shit home. Likewise a busted up kid, whom was labeled a moron by doctors as a child can become a Rhodes scholar and win Super Bowls if he is raised in a stable home.

How do work that part out @Mech? Is the current situation ideal or do you got a grandma or mom helping out for the female aspect of it all?

Her mom can take her whenever she wants to and right now it's three days a week. I took her out of preschool this month to go to swim school and hang out with my mom, aunts and uncles. At my house I let her pick which one of the chicks I'm banging to come over that night. She says call a girl and I say which one? The one with the lello hair. Ok.

I have a unique situation due to living near thousands of ethnic relatives. My kid is related to half the kids in her school and half the teachers

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:51 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (06-07-2012 02:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  

You would for sure have to make sure your end of the $$$ is on point. But then also I am in the camp that a kid is best with a mom and pops. How do you approach that situation then? 50/50 means weekends at different spots. The pops brings stability and teaching a young pup how to be a man, and a girl how to be respectful of herself or others, but moms bring important shit to that equation too.


Genes are one thing but environment is another. A kid whom is smart and good looking can end up in the tank if he's raised in a shit home. Likewise a busted up kid, whom was labeled a moron by doctors as a child can become a Rhodes scholar and win Super Bowls if he is raised in a stable home.

How do work that part out @Mech? Is the current situation ideal or do you got a grandma or mom helping out for the female aspect of it all?

Her mom can take her whenever she wants to and right now it's three days a week. I took her out of preschool this month to go to swim school and hang out with my mom, aunts and uncles. At my house I let her pick which one of the chicks I'm banging to come over that night. She says call a girl and I say which one? The one with the lello hair. Ok.

I have a unique situation due to living near thousands of ethnic relatives. My kid is related to half the kids in her school and half the teachers

Then that's legit then. She's got a bunch of females around her that are consistent. You can screen out any of your fucked up relatives or side pieces as you fit.

From dealing with kids at my old job I find as long as the person they are around and looking up to is a legit character they can trust they really don't care who it is lol. One tyke that came through was in a busted home, his mom was fucked in the head and on mad drugs. He was like 7, only worked with me about once a month or two but those weekends meant a lot to him. Just to be around a stable dude whom was gonna play sports with him, tell him stories and shit meant a lot to him growing up well.

People would give me stares as some dark as night African was walking around with some blue eyed, blonde hair 7 year old. Fuck them tho, I was changing that kids life. He still calls me up to this day, he's 13 now and has his head on strait.

In WI if you have joint custody, 50/50 basically, there is no child support as explained to me by divorced friends.

Other states may be different, but if you never marry the slut you should only pay support if she has full custody.

I'm thinking about having another one in another country and having a double life that nobody here will know about here in the states using the cloak of the export biz I'm working on that's ready to roll. Maybe find a Dominican girl and send the kid into baseball camps and schools and stay there part time. Westcoast, you can come with me and we'll score sisters.

I'm glad this issue is coming up, since it's been on my mind lately. This changed somewhat when I became passively okay with breeding, an eventual goal and a relatively new development. I figure I can go on like this for several years before something actually happens. Basically, this is an extension of my Raw-Dog Policy™, which of course I periodically violate (and then get angry at myself for doing). In general, though, I only raw-dog higher quality chicks, who have something to lose and, at the same time, something to offer to my spawn. In other words, it wouldn't be the end of the world if I knocked her up and she kept it.

I raw-dog girls who have/are:

-High status now or likely in the future (premier schooling, for instance)
-Come from money or status (either parents have decent cash or have social capital that's worthwhile; not necessary loaded, but something)
-Mostly emotionally balanced
-Attractive 7.5/8+ (on my scale)
-Display three of more good-mother qualities (nurturing, domestic, resourceful, loyal, some talent at above-average level, etc.)
-On the younger side (25 and under; an exception for 26 is possible)
-Zero unacceptable beliefs (overly religious, "feminist," or hard-line conservative)

It's crazy how unscared I am when I raw-dog a girl like versus a chick who works part-time at, say, Starbucks while she finishes a four-week course on teaching Pilates (her long-term plan). For one, a girl like that is so likely to get abortion, it's ridiculous. Sooner or later, one of those won't want to and Tuthmosis II will be on the way. I'm fine with having a few like this.

That said, I feel like this is an incomplete policy, so I'm looking forward to culling some good insights from this thread. I have to think through issues of child support, continuing my single lifestyle, being able to sufficiently influence my kid to teach him/her my wisdom (helped along if the mom isn't a total dumb-ass), and how to duplicate this practice a few times.

Quote: (06-07-2012 03:13 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

In WI if you have joint custody, 50/50 basically, there is no child support as explained to me by divorced friends.

Other states may be different, but if you never marry the slut you should only pay support if she has full custody.

In NJ they use a formula based on the income of both parents.

If the kid is under 8 she doesn't have to work. You pay for child support. About 25% of your income.

If the kid is over 8 and she's not working they assign a default value for her income of whatever the minimum wage is at the time.

Usually the guy makes more money so he has to pay more than she does.

Be careful in NJ. They follow the Tender Years Doctrine. Basically it says, all things being equal the child is better off in the custody of the mother until the age of 8. To get past that you have to prove she is an unfit mother or there is a danger to the child to be in her custody. To do that you have go through a lengthy psychological evaluation with a child psychologist. At the end he writes a report and chooses one parent to have sole custody. He interviews both parents, the child, any relevant family members and friends. It's also called a Best Interest of the Child Evaluation. He has full power of the court to compel you to cooperate and do anything that he wants. Cost me about $7500 to do that.

Florida law is different from what I hear. Much more liberal. You have a better chance of getting custody. I know a girl in Orlando. Her family spent $100k in legal fees to fight for custody and she still lost. She's also batshit crazy though

Quote: (06-07-2012 03:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking about having another one in another country and having a double life that nobody here will know about here in the states using the cloak of the export biz I'm working on that's ready to roll. Maybe find a Dominican girl and send the kid into baseball camps and schools and stay there part time. Westcoast, you can come with me and we'll score sisters.

Haha nice, I'll pass on the kid for the next decade since the last thing I want is a mini-me running around. I wonder sometimes though with a ridiculously "unplugged" view on life how the upbringing of a kid would play out.

OP, are you open to a child abroad? I am pretty sure I have one in Paraguay an as soon as its proven with a DNA test I will start helpin out. Probably spend 4-6 months a year there with him also.

Quote: (06-07-2012 04:28 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

OP, are you open to a child abroad? I am pretty sure I have one in Paraguay an as soon as its proven with a DNA test I will start helpin out. Probably spend 4-6 months a year there with him also.

I'll reiterate not interested in any, any time soon. More of a "what are the other options to raise a kid right without being chained down" question. Sure abroad doesn't matter as long as the kid doesn't end up being a mes

Quote: (06-07-2012 04:59 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I'll reiterate not interested in any, any time soon. More of a "what are the other options to raise a kid right without being chained down" question. Sure abroad doesn't matter as long as the kid doesn't end up being a mes

I hear ya. I really feel like going abroad is the best choice here. I guess it all depends on the girl and you never know how she is going I react until she already has the kid.

I am definately going to try and avoid places where the government can get too involved in how I father my child and for most people their home country is exactly that.

That sounds a little like my plan. Make it happen!

Quote: (06-07-2012 03:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking about having another one in another country and having a double life that nobody here will know about here in the states using the cloak of the export biz I'm working on that's ready to roll. Maybe find a Dominican girl and send the kid into baseball camps and schools and stay there part time. Westcoast, you can come with me and we'll score sisters.

Quote: (06-07-2012 06:41 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

That sounds a little like my plan. Make it happen!

Quote: (06-07-2012 03:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I'm thinking about having another one in another country and having a double life that nobody here will know about here in the states using the cloak of the export biz I'm working on that's ready to roll. Maybe find a Dominican girl and send the kid into baseball camps and schools and stay there part time. Westcoast, you can come with me and we'll score sisters.

What's your plan? Baseball kid too?

Moving to Panama in 2013. Build a baseball field(s) and training center. Train the hell out of my 2 sons for baseball and MMA. If possible, create a second training location in Las Terrenas, DR. Get 1-2 tall east European women to breed me 4 more genetically superior athletes... wash, rinse, repeat the training with them. Live vicariously through my kids since I wasted my athletic abilities.

Wish I could throw football into the training mix, but not going to allow my kids to grow up in the USA. I work on the internet so I'm free to train them throughout the day. Will homeschool them and have a private tutor to free up more time for them to train to give them even more of an advantage in sports over other kids.

My older son just turned 5 last week and is already reading at a 2nd grade level because of homeschooling. Will put him on robinsoncurriculum.com after he gets done with his funnix.com reading and math programs. What's great about these programs is they don't require much teaching, just some guidance.

When my 5-year old was 4 he could already do 6 pullups in a set... and has done 35 pullups in a day. Also have had him bear crawl up to 400 yards in a day for a chocolate protein bar. Have him hopping on 1 foot across the living room back and forth for balance. Slams a 4 pound medicine ball into the ground. Just started to train him for speed and leg drive by having him push a cooler with my 25 pound medicine ball in it (my redneck version of a prowler).

Working the plan. To show how great I am, I'm going to make my kids great. Not many pro-active dads out there, so good luck to you.

Quote: (06-08-2012 01:58 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

Moving to Panama in 2013. Build a baseball field(s) and training center. Train the hell out of my 2 sons for baseball and MMA. If possible, create a second training location in Las Terrenas, DR. Get 1-2 tall east European women to breed me 4 more genetically superior athletes... wash, rinse, repeat the training with them. Live vicariously through my kids since I wasted my athletic abilities.

Wish I could throw football into the training mix, but not going to allow my kids to grow up in the USA. I work on the internet so I'm free to train them throughout the day. Will homeschool them and have a private tutor to free up more time for them to train to give them even more of an advantage in sports over other kids.

My older son just turned 5 last week and is already reading at a 2nd grade level because of homeschooling. Will put him on robinsoncurriculum.com after he gets done with his funnix.com reading and math programs. What's great about these programs is they don't require much teaching, just some guidance.

When my 5-year old was 4 he could already do 6 pullups in a set... and has done 35 pullups in a day. Also have had him bear crawl up to 400 yards in a day for a chocolate protein bar. Have him hopping on 1 foot across the living room back and forth for balance. Slams a 4 pound medicine ball into the ground. Just started to train him for speed and leg drive by having him push a cooler with my 25 pound medicine ball in it (my redneck version of a prowler).

Working the plan. To show how great I am, I'm going to make my kids great. Not many pro-active dads out there, so good luck to you.

Quote: (06-08-2012 01:58 AM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

Moving to Panama in 2013. Build a baseball field(s) and training center. Train the hell out of my 2 sons for baseball and MMA. If possible, create a second training location in Las Terrenas, DR. Get 1-2 tall east European women to breed me 4 more genetically superior athletes... wash, rinse, repeat the training with them. Live vicariously through my kids since I wasted my athletic abilities.

Wish I could throw football into the training mix, but not going to allow my kids to grow up in the USA. I work on the internet so I'm free to train them throughout the day. Will homeschool them and have a private tutor to free up more time for them to train to give them even more of an advantage in sports over other kids.

My older son just turned 5 last week and is already reading at a 2nd grade level because of homeschooling. Will put him on robinsoncurriculum.com after he gets done with his funnix.com reading and math programs. What's great about these programs is they don't require much teaching, just some guidance.

When my 5-year old was 4 he could already do 6 pullups in a set... and has done 35 pullups in a day. Also have had him bear crawl up to 400 yards in a day for a chocolate protein bar. Have him hopping on 1 foot across the living room back and forth for balance. Slams a 4 pound medicine ball into the ground. Just started to train him for speed and leg drive by having him push a cooler with my 25 pound medicine ball in it (my redneck version of a prowler).

Working the plan. To show how great I am, I'm going to make my kids great. Not many pro-active dads out there, so good luck to you.

That's awesome. You may want to take a second look at the Dominican girls. They're the ones the ball players come out of. After reading that I think I'm going to do some raw-doggin down there my next trip in a week or so. Did you play baseball? How far did you get?