watchin all these vids makes me think i need to start juicing and take fighting lessons....

Quote: (05-29-2012 01:33 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (05-28-2012 08:11 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Sure, the kung fu guy is going to lose to the BJJ guy or boxer. UFC 1 and numerous "Gracie in Action" videos prove that.

How is BJJ effective in a situation where it's an all out huge brawl, or when it's two against one? You can get the guy on the ground and get him into a submission lock, only to have his homie kick you in the back of the head.

Not to hate, but let's be realist here, one on one in the cage is different, then all the variables you'll encounter on the street.

I agree that you might have a hard time just sticking to BJJ in a brawl. But if you combined it with some boxing and wrestling you'd be unstoppable. Put it this way:

Even if your boxing is good, in a brawl it's hard to land a perfect hook to the temple or jaw. You're going to need a solid few swings to hopefully get the guy on the floor, and by that time your knuckles and hands are going to be shot so you'd need your elbows or knees to finish the job. Many fights wind up in a grabble or falling on the floor together.

The BJJ guy? Assuming he's got 5+ years in him, he'd be focusing on dodging or absorbing blows while going for the grapple right off the bat. Once there the other guy is toast. In 10 seconds he can break a finger, snap the guys elbow or dislocate his shoulder, or if he's got the time and there's no backup or disruption, choke a motherfucker out.

Quote: (05-30-2012 01:20 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I agree that you might have a hard time just sticking to BJJ in a brawl. But if you combined it with some boxing and wrestling you'd be unstoppable. Put it this way:

Even if your boxing is good, in a brawl it's hard to land a perfect hook to the temple or jaw. You're going to need a solid few swings to hopefully get the guy on the floor, and by that time your knuckles and hands are going to be shot so you'd need your elbows or knees to finish the job. Many fights wind up in a grabble or falling on the floor together.

The BJJ guy? Assuming he's got 5+ years in him, he'd be focusing on dodging or absorbing blows while going for the grapple right off the bat. Once there the other guy is toast. In 10 seconds he can break a finger, snap the guys elbow or dislocate his shoulder, or if he's got the time and there's no backup or disruption, choke a motherfucker out.

I pretty much agree with this. Boxing + BJJ is the best base imo.






Obviously this was organized, but hectic nonetheless.

I have to disagree w/ boxing as the best striking art because as a sport it ignores the lower half of the body.

In the end, it's the fighter not the art. Any combination of hard art + soft art is ideal.

Quote: (05-31-2012 08:56 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I have to disagree w/ boxing as the best striking art because as a sport it ignores the lower half of the body.

Agree. Whoever says boxing is the best striking art hasn't been on the wrong side of a good Muay Thai fighter.

Holy shit! That reminds me of Taekwondo training. We would do 5x5s.

1 kick
2 kicks
...
5 kicks
5 kicks
4 kicks
...
1 kick

Shit is fucking brutal.

There's a reason Sagat is higher than Balrog.

Quote: (05-31-2012 08:56 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I have to disagree w/ boxing as the best striking art because as a sport it ignores the lower half of the body.

In the end, it's the fighter not the art. Any combination of hard art + soft art is ideal.

Agreed. Boxing is not the best alone. I do both MT and Boxing (& BJJ) and they both have their benefits, but as a minimum, one should learn boxing to get a good base for self defence. There are a lot of variables involved in MT techniques and are often not appropriate, much the same as BJJ. Throwing a strong round kick quickly with timing and precision is a lot more difficult then firing off a short sharp left hook for example.

And lol @ Sagat. I wish there was a Street Fighter revival.

You guys actually been in a ring or cage?

I've fought in several Taekwondo tournaments. Obviously much different from an MMA bout. I also have several dozen of street fights under my belt, and once a guy attacked me with a knife. I successfully defended myself w/o getting cut.

My kung fu school is going to have a seminar on Southern Praying Mantis style Kung Fu, when I first looked into it, I thought it looked like a really odd style with an impractical stance, flowery movements, odd footwork, and obscure strikes, the kind of stuff that would work in a street fight.

Then I did some searches on youtube, and came across these guys out of England. It looks like they may study some adapted style, and are very skilled, these guys would probably kill it on the streets. It's got me interested, but obviously I'm not going to base an opinion or make judgments off a few google searches and youtube videos.

The absolute best advice I have ever heard about street fights was about two years ago. This BJJ black belts (one of the first American Black Belts) from Phiilly said it best:

"Street fights never end."

What he means is that even after beating some dude's ass in a street fight, you have to look over your shoulder all the time to avoid getting jumped later. I have personally seen dudes get stomped on because they beat some guy in a fight 3 fucking months ago. I know a guy that got jumped on a street in broad daylight, while on his lunch break, because he had kicked a guy's ass at a concert a few weeks earlier and they just happened to see him again on the street that day.

I'm not going to even go into the guys that I know of who got shot later for kicking some gangbanger's ass in front of his boys or his girl.

I've been in several fights, but my all-time FAVORITE fight memory is when I talked my way out of a fight between me and a bunch of gangbangers. They were going to beat my ass just for the fun of it, but in the end they dropped it. The dude I was with who wanted to act like Billy Badass wasn't so fortunate.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck fighting. I am too old.

....catch ya azz comin' out of your girl's house at 3am....3 weeks later

If Thai Boxing is better than American boxing, then why don't Thai boxers win every fight in the UFC?

Why doesn't every guy just do Thai boxing, since it's been declared better (by guys who don't actually compete in MMA).

The truth is that the best style is the one a guy can master.

BJ Penn uses boxing and BJJ. He doesn't throw kicks, because it makes it easier to take him down.

Anderson Silva used Thai boxing to rearrange Rich Franklin's nose.

Anderson Silva used a Karate front-snap kick to destroy Belfort. Machida used the same Karate kick to retire Randy Couture.

Chael Sonnen used wrestling to neutralize Anderson Silva's Thai boxing before losing the fight vis-a-vis Anderson Silva's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Wanderlai Silva used his Thai boxing to destroy Rampage twice. In their last meeting, Rampage used his American boxing to knock Wand out.

Fedor used Sambo and Russian boxing to dominate the heavyweight division for over a decade. When he threw a kick in his fight against Fujita, the commentator joked, "I didn't know Fedor could throw kicks!"

Even if you don't fight, a systemic study of mixed martial arts would show you that there is no one "best style."

Some styles work better for some guys.

In a fight, you don't want to lose your footing, since falling to the ground could be landing on broken glass, having your head slam into concrete, hitting a fire hydrant, etc.

Go throw a kick on the street. If you slip because there's god-knows-what on the ground, your Thai boxing is now shit.

This is all stuff that guys who have actually fought know.

Look, if you're not pulling ass, you shouldn't be giving game advice.

Unless you're rearranged a few faces, you really shouldn't be triumphantly declaring what the best fighting style is.

Shit. I just tried to rate the thread 5 stars but my fucking iPhone screen said I pressed 2 stars. Sorry. Is there a way to change the rating?

Quote: (06-01-2012 03:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

If Thai Boxing is better than American boxing, then why don't Thai boxers win every fight in the UFC?

Why doesn't every guy just do Thai boxing, since it's been declared better (by guys who don't actually compete in MMA).

The truth is that the best style is the one a guy can master.

BJ Penn uses boxing and BJJ. He doesn't throw kicks, because it makes it easier to take him down.

Anderson Silva used Thai boxing to rearrange Rich Franklin's nose.

Anderson Silva used a Karate front-snap kick to destroy Belfort. Machida used the same Karate kick to retire Randy Couture.

Chael Sonnen used wrestling to neutralize Anderson Silva's Thai boxing before losing the fight vis-a-vis Anderson Silva's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Wanderlai Silva used his Thai boxing to destroy Rampage twice. In their last meeting, Rampage used his American boxing to knock Wand out.

Fedor used Sambo and Russian boxing to dominate the heavyweight division for over a decade. When he threw a kick in his fight against Fujita, the commentator joked, "I didn't know Fedor could throw kicks!"

Even if you don't fight, a systemic study of mixed martial arts would show you that there is no one "best style."

Some styles work better for some guys.

In a fight, you don't want to lose your footing, since falling to the ground could be landing on broken glass, having your head slam into concrete, hitting a fire hydrant, etc.

Go throw a kick on the street. If you slip because there's god-knows-what on the ground, your Thai boxing is now shit.

This is all stuff that guys who have actually fought know.

Look, if you're not pulling ass, you shouldn't be giving game advice.

Unless you're rearranged a few faces, you really shouldn't be triumphantly declaring what the best fighting style is.

In the end it's the fighter not the art. There is no such thing as a best martial art. That's why the best fighters train in multiple arts.

If we are going to compare arts as systems, boxing is a very narrow art since it disregards strikes using the lower body. That doesn't mean that boxing is shit and you shouldn't learn it. Mike Tyson would destroy me in 5 seconds.

While BJ Penn doesn't kick, he does use his knees. Those can be more devastating than kicks. Muy Thai fighters are notorious for their knees and elbows.

Anybody can make a scenario where a specific martial art is shit. Know what trumps any martial art? A fucking gun. Does that mean that we shouldn't learn how to fight because our opponent could be packing?

I think when people say an art is better than another it's just an ignorant way of saying that the art is a more complete system.

Quote: (06-04-2012 08:47 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Watching that video makes me feel kinda bad for being an American. I mean seriously, how fucking retarded is the guy filming the video and all the people watching cheering it on.

Then the fat dude who knocked the guy out continues to hit and kick the guy who in unconcious (not cool).

Plus all the stupid fucks, hooting and hollering and pouring shit on the knocked out guy, plus filming him. People need to find some better shit to do.

Quote: (06-04-2012 11:45 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (06-04-2012 08:47 AM)rakishness Wrote:  

Watching that video makes me feel kinda bad for being an American. I mean seriously, how fucking retarded is the guy filming the video and all the people watching cheering it on.

Then the fat dude who knocked the guy out continues to hit and kick the guy who in unconcious (not cool).

Plus all the stupid fucks, hooting and hollering and pouring shit on the knocked out guy, plus filming him. People need to find some better shit to do.

I guarantee you that the guy filming is a pussy that would of ran off if one of those guys started swinging on him.

For everyone here who thinks tall guys have some superman powers

Quote: (05-28-2012 02:49 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

my people .. :\n

That first video was just cruel. The kid filming it was finding that shit funny, what was funny about it? Also, i dont understand why nobody broke up the fight, no need to almost beat him to death, specially when he is already lying on the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqaAmRER7_M

Now thats a gangster video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rerxgJs...re=related

I forgot how to embed videos to forums so im just posting the direct link

Quote: (06-01-2012 08:22 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

The absolute best advice I have ever heard about street fights was about two years ago. This BJJ black belts (one of the first American Black Belts) from Phiilly said it best:

"Street fights never end."

What he means is that even after beating some dude's ass in a street fight, you have to look over your shoulder all the time to avoid getting jumped later. I have personally seen dudes get stomped on because they beat some guy in a fight 3 fucking months ago. I know a guy that got jumped on a street in broad daylight, while on his lunch break, because he had kicked a guy's ass at a concert a few weeks earlier and they just happened to see him again on the street that day.

I'm not going to even go into the guys that I know of who got shot later for kicking some gangbanger's ass in front of his boys or his girl.

Correct.

As the war theorist Sun Tzu said: "After the battle tighten the straps on your helmet".

I've fought in the cage ( twice and lost both in MMA ) and the street numerous times and it's not about knowing 200 great moves. People who win street fights do so primarily because they control the pre-fight,the seconds before a punch gets thrown. If you control that you will be difficult to beat. You also have to be able to control your adrenalin. I've been so adrenal that my voice has sounded like a little girls as I was about to have a brawl and I've had to hide that involuntary quiver in my voice. I've had a monster threaten that he was going to smash me to bits in a pub and my legs have gone to jelly and the pint glass in my hand was shaking. Fortunately I've had enough experience in brawling to hide such noticeable signs of fear and through numerous fights I've been able to reign my fear in and push myself into battle time and again.

That's the other thing. Every fight I won I through the first punch because I knew I was going to get smacked. Every fight that I have ended up on the floor rolling about in stale beer and not won easily is because I was hit first or grabbed before I could get my punch off. All that blocking is bollocks when your opponent is a 220 pound bouncer,hit first and hit fucking hard,then get out of there. Learn how to punch hard and disguise the fact that you are ready to throw. When guys would say to me "I'm gonna knock you out" I would always answer "Me?! I don't want to fight,you'd kill me",build their confidence up and then kick their stool of conceitedness away with a straight right into their face. Saved me numerous times. The worst things for me were the threats of comebacks. When I'd have a fight and the bullying dick would get a message to me that he would get me sometime in the future. You spend the days looking over your shoulder waiting for the inevitable,it robs you of your strength as your adrenal gland is constantly on over drive. I hated those threats more then actual fights.

The truth is that fighting,real fighting is a vile thing to be in and experience,it used to make me feel physically sick afterwards. The noise of smashing someone in the teeth and that horrible thud when their head hit the floor is brutal and nothing to be proud of. When I would fight a named fighter in my town and sometimes win my friends would come up afterwards and slap me on the back and buy me pints,women liked the fact that I was known as someone who could scrap but I never took any pleasure in it,I felt a little piece of me died inside each time. I've seen nasty things happen to people,seen a guy have his ear bitten off ( the guy wore it on his key ring as a trophy afterwards,wtf! ),a leg snapped,I've had a pool ball smashed over my head in a sock in a mass brawl,sick horrible things to witness and be part off. Stay away from it all,trust me.

I'm in my 30's now and have not had a fight in 10 years since I have more money and can frequent places with less ass holes in them. I've also mastered what Bruce Lee would call the art of fighting without fighting but what is really just pre-fight. I know how to make myself appear like the kind of guy you don't mess with even though inside I'm still very scared off fighting because I know how horrible and de-humanizing it is.

Worldstar always has solid videos, they put out a fight compilation every week that is pretty amusing. That felony fights is crazy though, some serious beatdowns.