Ok, so South Korean chicks are, arguably, the hottest Asian chicks.

HOWEVER.

I would not put South Korea very high up on my list of Asian countries to visit. This is why...

From what I understand they're very sexually conservative, you're not doing ONS'es there, in fact you'll be lucky if you can bang her in under a month, and you'll probably have to commit, at least in words if not deeds, to being her "boyfriend".

Now, the Japanese are just the opposite: they're a VERY sexually liberated and open culture, not the least bit conservative concerning sex, and although you won't have AS much of a novelty factor there as you would in South Korea, you'll still have some--how much depends on what you look like (I'm 6'1" with blond hair and blue eyes, I should do well) and where you go (if you go to places known to have gaijins, and therefore most girls there are probably looking for gaijins, you'll do particularly well; also, the more remote the area, the fewer Westerners they've seen, the better you'll do).

In other words, you're just going to get laid a lot MORE in Japan with far less effort than you would in South Korea. Let's work this out so we can make a decision between the two...

Now, let's score these countries on a 100 point scale using two factors each of which are scored on a 1-10 scale, therefore a perfect score is 10 in both categories which comes out to a perfect overall score of 100 because you figure the overall score by multiplying the two individual scores together. The two factors we're going to use are the two most important ones for most of us: quality of the girls, and ease of banging them. Got it?

Right, let's say South Korea gets a perfect 10 score on quality (it's probably not quite that good there, but I'll be generous) but only a 3.5 in how easy it is to bang them, for an overall score of 35.

Now Japan, on the other hand, would still get a decent quality score of around 7 (I personally, who have a thing for Japanese chicks, would probably give it a 7.5 or 8, but I'll be conservative), but it would also get a easiness score of 7 or 8 (from what I've heard it's more like 8), which would give it an overall score of between 49 and 56, handily beating South Korea.

And that's why I'm learning Japanese right now and not Korean.

Sorry, it's just not worth the trouble to get a slightly hotter girl if it's going to be 10 fucking times more difficult. Fuck it, I'm not fucking doing it, I'm going to Japan, the Philippines, and Thailand before I'll go to South Korea, and that's why.

I can't wait to see the discussion this is going to generate, because I've never been to either country, just read a lot about them, and I know there are many people on here who have, so let's see what they've got to say about this. I'd be especially interested in hearing what you've got to say if you've been to, and gamed in, both.

In short, even if Korean girls were easier, the country sucks, imo, and its not worth going there for the women. Japan is much better in every respect. If you have a choice, its not a choice at all...

However, if you meet a Korean girl abroad, then go for it. But be aware that she's probably either a whore, or virginal... with few girls in-between...But thats only referring to Korean born and raised women. Koreans raised abroad are different.

Also, watch out for the crazy...but that holds true throughout asia.

I am in south korea now

I went out with this Korean chick the other day. We went to a bunch of places. Dinner, her college campus etc over two hours before I took her to a bar.

She would not even sit next to me at the bar because she thought it would be "too forward" to sit next to a man she had only known for 2 hours.

Tips for korean chicks.

Check out mainly smoking chicks and youll have better luck. Girls who smoke in public choose not to conform to the strict social norms that most follow, so you will have a much easier time. And im not talking about girls who only smoke in private, she needs to smoke publicly without giving a damn.

Quote: (06-08-2010 10:51 PM)Shaman Wrote:  

Ok, so South Korean chicks are, arguably, the hottest Asian chicks.

HOWEVER.

I would not put South Korea very high up on my list of Asian countries to visit. This is why...

From what I understand they're very sexually conservative, you're not doing ONS'es there, in fact you'll be lucky if you can bang her in under a month, and you'll probably have to commit, at least in words if not deeds, to being her "boyfriend".

I also agree with you that Korean girls are the hottest in Asia. However, I have to disagree with your opinion that you have to be a girls boyfriend to bang and ONS'es not happening in Korea. I have been in Korea for a few years now, and have had ONS's/SNL's, and closed girls who didn't want to have boyfriends. Although, I tend to have less ONS's now, I usually close later on because of personal preferences.

Is Korea worth visiting or is Japan better? This depends on personal preference. My experience is mostly in Korea. A warning the culture in Korea tends to be sexually repressive. Also, it can be more of a challenge to game Korean girls as well (the negative view of foreigners for one). However, Korean girls are much more attractive than Japanese girls in my opinion. If you want a challenge, then go to Korea. If you want hotter girls, go to Korea...

This is not to say that every Korean girl is conservative. I have met some Korean girls that were quite liberal. I'm sure I have to work much harder at my game in Korea, but I enjoy the challenge. I open lots of sets everyday. Korea has taught me how to screen girls out better (remove the ones that are too conservative), and be persistent.

Another thing, I do not think smoking as a good enough indicator for finding the more open girls. While girls who smoke tend to be rebellious, I don't like girls who smoke. Instead, I tend to look at their dress style. I only open girls that have a good sense of fashion, and wear different clothing than the normal girls. If you have any questions, about the specifics of gaming in Korea, reply here. Any guys in Korea on here?

Quote: (06-09-2010 08:50 AM)LatinStylez Wrote:  

Quote: (06-08-2010 10:51 PM)Shaman Wrote:  

Ok, so South Korean chicks are, arguably, the hottest Asian chicks.

HOWEVER.

I would not put South Korea very high up on my list of Asian countries to visit. This is why...

From what I understand they're very sexually conservative, you're not doing ONS'es there, in fact you'll be lucky if you can bang her in under a month, and you'll probably have to commit, at least in words if not deeds, to being her "boyfriend".

I also agree with you that Korean girls are the hottest in Asia. However, I have to disagree with your opinion that you have to be a girls boyfriend to bang and ONS'es not happening in Korea. I have been in Korea for a few years now, and have had ONS's/SNL's, and closed girls who didn't want to have boyfriends. Although, I tend to have less ONS's now, I usually close later on because of personal preferences.

Is Korea worth visiting or is Japan better? This depends on personal preference. My experience is mostly in Korea. A warning the culture in Korea tends to be sexually repressive. Also, it can be more of a challenge to game Korean girls as well (the negative view of foreigners for one). However, Korean girls are much more attractive than Japanese girls in my opinion. If you want a challenge, then go to Korea. If you want hotter girls, go to Korea...

This is not to say that every Korean girl is conservative. I have met some Korean girls that were quite liberal. I'm sure I have to work much harder at my game in Korea, but I enjoy the challenge. I open lots of sets everyday. Korea has taught me how to screen girls out better (remove the ones that are too conservative), and be persistent.

Another thing, I do not think smoking as a good enough indicator for finding the more open girls. While girls who smoke tend to be rebellious, I don't like girls who smoke. Instead, I tend to look at their dress style. I only open girls that have a good sense of fashion, and wear different clothing than the normal girls. If you have any questions, about the specifics of gaming in Korea, reply here. Any guys in Korea on here?

Can you elaborate on the negative view of foreigners?

Also, if someone came to Korea just how long would it take him to acclimate his game so that it worked in Korea?

My big problem is still the numbers issue, I'd still much rather bang 10 7's than have to put in the same amount of effort for one 10.

Quote: (06-11-2010 12:37 AM)Shaman Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on the negative view of foreigners?

Also, if someone came to Korea just how long would it take him to acclimate his game so that it worked in Korea?

My big problem is still the numbers issue, I'd still much rather bang 10 7's than have to put in the same amount of effort for one 10.

I would not say that its a negative.

I have been here just over a week and I would say that its a very homogeneous culture.

That means that they are not used to it / you if you are western.

You have to deal with the fact that drinking alcohol is not really part of the culture.

Adjust by switching to daygame. Hire a local cell phone from the airport when you land (buying a sim card and putting it in your existing phone does not work here) and daygame the hell of the place.

I have already had two insta dates today from daygame and I have a 3rd date in ten mins from internet game.

You need to work it like this and just fill up your prospect pipeline unless you want to bang drunk foreign chicks. (I dont)

They are not used to being spoken to on the street so you have to learn to impose your frame (being totally relaxed and having fun and making it totally normal to start a conversation on the street) and know how to push past the common reactions which are initial shyness and timidity.

Once you learn how to push past that and you have enough korean chicks in your prospect pipeline then you should be having day ones and twos every day pretty much.

Final tip. Chicks here do not make out in public. Keep the kino going but stop short of the kiss. Save that shit for when you get them back to your place and in private.

Sounds like LOADS of trouble, when you have Japan, Phillies, Hong Kong and Thailand just nearby....

I even hear very good things about Taiwan as well.

Quote: (06-11-2010 07:38 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

You have to deal with the fact that drinking alcohol is not really part of the culture.

Final tip. Chicks here do not make out in public. Keep the kino going but stop short of the kiss. Save that shit for when you get them back to your place and in private.

man, you DEFINITELY haven't hung out with any Korean men then. Drinking is deeply rooted in that culture, much more so than many places in the west. I mean, its really a core component to the culture there. They drink, and drink hard. Wen I would come back from the weekend to my high school there, I would find the teachers lounge riddled with empty beer cans, dreid squid and soju bottles. It was the Korean teachers and administrative staff (the principal included) partying at the school over the weekend. This happened a lot. The principal would often be obviously hung over on school days. Great guy, but a typical Korean male when it came to drinking. I understand how you could perceive this though, because its true that Koren women drink MUCH less than the men, if at all. They cant hold their liquor worth a damn.

If you want to drink, then befriend some Korean males of, really, any age. They might put you under the table. Especially if your not used to Soju.

Chicks DEFINITELY don't make out in public. Its a social faux pas to even date a foreigner, let alone be seen kissing one in public. All making out will need to be done it private. Its a very conservative society. Being seen kissing you would be like a white american girl being seen kissing a Mexican guy in public in the 1950's south. It just wouldn't go over well. You would have to be ready for comments form strangers being directed toward you. While you wouldn't care, she most certainly would.

Yeah I was going to say... Korean guys are in the same drinking league as Russians, Vikings and Mongolians. They are insane, and play all sorts of drinking games as well. Even if the chicks don't drink as much, surely this ensures that every girl consumes at least a minimal amount of the powerhouse soju+beer combo.

Quote: (06-11-2010 02:28 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

man, you DEFINITELY haven't hung out with any Korean men then.

I was talking about the chicks.

Who cares if the dudes drink?

Quote: (06-12-2010 12:26 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Quote: (06-11-2010 02:28 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

man, you DEFINITELY haven't hung out with any Korean men then.

I was talking about the chicks.

Who cares if the dudes drink?

fair enough.

not to get too technical with you over an irrelevant point, but you did say, and i quote:

Quote: (06-11-2010 07:38 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

You have to deal with the fact that drinking alcohol is not really part of the culture.

I was responding to that, which is different than talking about how the girls don't drink (although many do, just not as much).

anyway, hope your having fun.

btw, you can easily get many girls to drink. Just maybe not on the first or second date with you. Just be ready to deal with adolescent style behavior, or fall down drunk behavior after 1-2 drinks, if they do. You might have better luck in Hongdae, if your looking to pick up girls that may regularly drink.

Have you gone to Hongdae yet, at night? Theres a shit ton of bars there where college students hang out.

Yeah I have been to Hongdae a few times. It sucked.

You are right about fall down drunk behavior after 1-2 drinks. I was with 3 Korean chicks last night and one of them had to take her sister home because she was sick and drunk.

They had been in the bar about 1 hour.

funny, I noticed an asian girl at the bar last night, I was thinking, "fuck shes pretty hot"...... south korean! She didnt seem to have that asian shyness to her though, I had to run, but Im in for Japan, or Thailand. Especially when you find a girl thats mixed.... I think they are the yummiest!

Quote: (06-12-2010 01:30 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Yeah I have been to Hongdae a few times. It sucked.

haha...yeah, I didn't say that it was good. Only that there were bars and women there.

If your looking for a nightlife spot that doesn't suck, I suggest getting out of Korea, and booking a flight for Tokyo tomorrow

anyone have any connections in Tokyo... I think it would cool to set up a couch surfing for single like minded guys.

Quote: (06-12-2010 12:40 PM)clr Wrote:  

anyone have any connections in Tokyo... I think it would cool to set up a couch surfing for single like minded guys.

no, but good idea. I found that connections are more necessary there than most other places, to really have a good time. Trying to befriend Japanese guys/couples is often the best bet to get introduced to high quality women and really knowing where to go in that city to eat and for nightlife. You can be there a long time and not see another foreigner to hang with.

I know a guy who made connections with a couple on his first trip there, and now goes back regularly to hang with them. They are always setting him up with ladies. When I went, I was there solo and didn't try to make any connections. The city was really hard to penetrate rolling like that. it really does seem like one big impenetrable wall of glass and concrete, for the most part.

Although, that being said, its not that difficult to game there alone either. But if you want the well rounded experience, befriend some natives...

Whats wrong with the original couchsurfing site?

Quote: (06-08-2010 10:51 PM)Shaman Wrote:  

Can you elaborate on the negative view of foreigners?

Also, if someone came to Korea just how long would it take him to acclimate his game so that it worked in Korea?

My big problem is still the numbers issue, I'd still much rather bang 10 7's than have to put in the same amount of effort for one 10.

Sure, there tends to be a negative view on foreigners in the media and more so with older Koreans. This can be due to history where Korea has had problems in the past with being invaded by foreign countries (think Joseong Dynasty The Hermit Kingdom and the occupation of Japan). Many of the foreigners that have come here came for like a year or so banged the women then left. Ever wonder why many Korean girls ask how long will you be in Korea? Foreigners can be considered barbaric as well. Koreans tend to be homogeneous like Lumiere had mentioned, and if you are out with Korean women expect the stares. This is not to say that every Korean has a negative view on foreigners, but some do.

For someone to acclimate his game, that depends on his skill level. It definitely took me some time to adjust my game. Lumiere gave some good advice and get yourself a phone from the airport. Do a lot of daygame and approach many girls... Look for girls that have different fashion sense and higher English ability. The girls that have lived/traveled abroad are usually more open. I would not recommend night game, either. The nightlife in Korea is pretty lame, and if you ask me it's a waste of time.

How much time do you have traveling? If you have a few weeks, how about doing half of your time in one country then the other?

I've heard that it's not uncommon for intoxicated Korean men to start fights with foreigners that they see in the company of a Korean woman.

Not true

For me, it seems like the drinking thing is an asian thing in general. My mom cant drink at all, maybe 1/2 a cocktail and turns bright red. I dated a chick who had literally 1 sip of a cocktail and was passing out drunk on the bar (it was one date). one of my LTR's has like 2 beers and she needs to be carried. A north china chick i know has like 2 tequila sunrises and its all over.

At the same time, all the party girls and such i know can drink a shit load. It could be genetics, but i doubt it. Honestly i think its just beginning low tolerance, as opposed to being genetically susceptible to alcohol. When i started drinking, it was like maybe a beer and a half, and i was praying to the porcelain god, now i am rarely drunk, after close to 20 beers. Korean culture frowns on girls drinking, so they don't practice as much, same as in china, and to a lesser extent japan.

I dont know about korea, but in china we still have a saying "Good girls go to KTVs (and rarely drink), dirty sluts go to Bars" im guessing its similar.

Quote: (06-16-2010 10:08 PM)AlphaQup2nite Wrote:  

I dated a chick who had literally 1 sip of a cocktail and was passing out drunk on the bar (it was one date).

I've had this exact thing happen to me too. I literally had to almost carry her out of the restaurant. It was very strange.

What's a KTV?

Quote: (06-17-2010 02:14 PM)Shaman Wrote:  

What's a KTV?

A kind of private room kareoke popular in SEA for singing and sometimes for drinking. So instead of the whole bar hearing you sing, its just you and your friends.

I've also heard good things about the women in Mongolia. From what I hear, they share similar physical characteristics with Korean women. Has anyone ever been there or would like to share their experiences from there?

I was able to pull this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZdlK9kTPpY which has some decent Mongolian girls on there. The capital Ulan Bator is the main place to go is what I heard. I'll be heading to Taiwan later this year though.