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Concerning the Korean chicks vs. all-other-Asian chicks debate...
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Concerning the Korean chicks vs. all-other-Asian chicks debate...

Quote: (10-23-2014 09:54 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

The prettiest girls in the world are in North Korea.

The place is known for being incredible in this respect. The Koreans have a saying "prettier girls in the North, more handsome men in the South".

Could this saying be from pre-division days? I heard an author of a book on North Korea say the men are something like 4 inches shorter than South Korean men because of shit nutrition-- that level of food deficit must have some repercussions for the women even if they have good genetics...
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#52

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Quote: (10-23-2014 09:56 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (10-23-2014 09:54 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

The prettiest girls in the world are in North Korea.

The place is known for being incredible in this respect. The Koreans have a saying "prettier girls in the North, more handsome men in the South".

i don't know if I believe this, I heard an author of a book on North Korea say the men are something like 4 inches shorter than South Korean men because of shit nutrition-- that level of food deficit must have some repercussions.

Yes, I think you misread the quote. It says "prettier girls in the North, more handsome men in the South".

The men in North Korea look like run down construction workers. In the South they all like faggy metrosexuals. In South Korea girls dress in quite a Western way, whereas in the North the dress very conservatively, as women did in the 50s with the long traditional dresses. In the North they wear makeup to emphasize the moon face and, although the average girl is not much, a North Korean stunner is more stunning than anywhere else in the world.

You also see it in the demeanour. South Korean girls have masculinized to a small extent, not compared to the West, but compared to the North. Northern girls are much sweeter, you see it in the way they move and their general expressions. Imagine a South Korean girl, dress her up in a 50s long dress with 50s moon-face makeup, and give her a personality cultivated by communism (think of the personality Russian girls had in Soviet times, some of which remains today - think of the sweetest possible Russian girls), and you have a North Korean girl. I genuinely believe the place is a goldmine and if it ever frees itself and opens up to the world, it will become the best place in the world for women.
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#53

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Friends of mine, with varying amounts of game, who were in the US military and stationed in both S. Korea and Japan have told me they banged about 20-40 different girls in Japan but about 4-5 girls in Korea over one year.
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#54

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I find filipino and certain chinese women to be more desireable than koreans and japanese. Most korean/japanese women look pretty dorky to me.
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#55

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My bro prefers dark skinned asians to light skinned ones. I've never understood as I'm the opposite.
He is engaged to aPpakistani girl though.
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#56

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I like what is natural. Korean chicks lack that "natural" look (hard to explain). As for Asians in general, I found light-skinned ones to be more attractive.
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#57

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Quote: (10-28-2014 06:01 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  

I like what is natural. Korean chicks lack that "natural" look (hard to explain).

Because when you look at one, there's at least a twenty percent chance they've undergone plastic surgery. There is definitely a national ideal, which combined with all the operations leads to beauty pageants where all contestants look the same.
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#58

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Quote: (10-28-2014 05:52 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

My bro prefers dark skinned asians to light skinned ones. I've never understood as I'm the opposite.
He is engaged to aPpakistani girl though.

I think a lot of guys prefer light skinned girls in general due to society

A man is only as faithful as his options-Chris Rock
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#59

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Quote: (10-28-2014 06:28 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

Quote: (10-28-2014 06:01 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  

I like what is natural. Korean chicks lack that "natural" look (hard to explain).

Because when you look at one, there's at least a twenty percent chance they've undergone plastic surgery. There is definitely a national ideal, which combined with all the operations leads to beauty pageants where all contestants look the same.

^ This ^

I prefer a girl who is pretty because she eats healthy and takes care of her skin, rather than a girl who looks the same but needs makeup and cosmetics.
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#60

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Quote: (10-28-2014 06:28 AM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

Quote: (10-28-2014 06:01 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  

I like what is natural. Korean chicks lack that "natural" look (hard to explain).

Because when you look at one, there's at least a twenty percent chance they've undergone plastic surgery. There is definitely a national ideal, which combined with all the operations leads to beauty pageants where all contestants look the same.

If you consider girls who only get double eyelid surgery, the number is probably higher. Their mothers often buy it for them as a graduation present!

It's part of a look they conform to, and deviating from this look in Korea is frowned upon. I like to think I can tell a Korean apart from other Asians without hearing them speak but am probably not that accurate. Koreans themselves have been fooled by the Chinese.

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#61

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I live (and game) in Tokyo, and have been for 7 years. I have extensive experience of Japanese chicks of all ages and levels. I can say that Korean chicks a far superior on every level.

Japanese chicks are well dressed, feminine, good makeup, nice long hair, etc. Normally good body shape. (due to peer pressure and family pressure to stay slim, I dated one Jap chick who was an easy 9, she put on a couple of pounds because of eating the same food as me and went home to see her family and her mother told her she was fat and has to love weight, very good). If you dont mind flat pancake ass then Jp chicks are good. Also if you like submissive, 'maguro' chick lying still during sex pretending to be a virgin (I have even had chicks in their 40's do this!). When I moved to Tokyo one of my friends told me when u meet a JP chick, deduct 10 years from her age and you get her mental age compared to an EU chick. This is very true, if you are banging 23 year old chicks like I was, then you are looking at a mental age of 13, unable to have a conversation about anything, obsessed with disney and going to disneyland, every third word from there mouth is 'Kawaii' (Cute) or 'Sugoii' (Awesome), which is fine for a while but gets irritating fast.

So after 5 years of gameing JP chicks, I took a break, got tired and bored of the BS and started going after Korean chicks, drinking in Shin Okubo, holidays to Seoul. Korean chicks are more confident, more expressive, their body shape is different, usually bigger thighs and ass, more confident walk and composure. Their personalities are also more mature, more akin to EU chicks, rather than 'Cute' they are sexy. Far more interesting during banging, confident, experimental, make totally different noises (this is good for me, but I have friends who love the JP screaming so its down to preference).

Either way it's preference, but in my experience it's no contest.
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#62

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Quote: (07-24-2015 02:48 AM)NikuNashi Wrote:  

I live (and game) in Tokyo, and have been for 7 years. I have extensive experience of Japanese chicks of all ages and levels. I can say that Korean chicks a far superior on every level.

Japanese chicks are well dressed, feminine, good makeup, nice long hair, etc. Normally good body shape. (due to peer pressure and family pressure to stay slim, I dated one Jap chick who was an easy 9, she put on a couple of pounds because of eating the same food as me and went home to see her family and her mother told her she was fat and has to love weight, very good). If you dont mind flat pancake ass then Jp chicks are good. Also if you like submissive, 'maguro' chick lying still during sex pretending to be a virgin (I have even had chicks in their 40's do this!). When I moved to Tokyo one of my friends told me when u meet a JP chick, deduct 10 years from her age and you get her mental age compared to an EU chick. This is very true, if you are banging 23 year old chicks like I was, then you are looking at a mental age of 13, unable to have a conversation about anything, obsessed with disney and going to disneyland, every third word from there mouth is 'Kawaii' (Cute) or 'Sugoii' (Awesome), which is fine for a while but gets irritating fast.

So after 5 years of gameing JP chicks, I took a break, got tired and bored of the BS and started going after Korean chicks, drinking in Shin Okubo, holidays to Seoul. Korean chicks are more confident, more expressive, their body shape is different, usually bigger thighs and ass, more confident walk and composure. Their personalities are also more mature, more akin to EU chicks, rather than 'Cute' they are sexy. Far more interesting during banging, confident, experimental, make totally different noises (this is good for me, but I have friends who love the JP screaming so its down to preference).

Either way it's preference, but in my experience it's no contest.

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Also if you like submissive, 'maguro' chick lying still during sex pretending to be a virgin (I have even had chicks in their 40's do this!).

As far as the maguro chicks, I've yet to have a problem like that. I'm willing to bet you get what you put into em. If you do em with force of a western caveman, they will go wild on you. If you try to be all gentle and shit, they gonna be a dead fish with minimal lubrication.

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Korean chicks are more confident, more expressive, their body shape is different, usually bigger thighs and ass, more confident walk and composure.

Yeah, you're spot on here. Korean girls are far more willing to say what they're thinking. Every time I visit Korea I'm there wondering why I don't move back, but then I come back to Japan and walk around the beach and remember why I haven't moved away yet. I live in Kansai though, so there's that.

As far as korean ass.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1682-p...pid1055687
Sourcecode has a pretty good photographic illustration of the average K girl's ass. (scroll down a bit)
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#63

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In my experience:

Korean girls are very charming and attractive with their bodies/skin, style and personalities but also more high-maintenance for relationships.

Chinese girls are less charming and attractive but very good LTR material since they treat you like a god.

Taiwanese girls strike a nice balance in the middle where they are very cute and charming but also require less maintenance than korean girls.

Overall, my first choice is still a hot korean girl who is good LTR material, but it takes more game to find that compared to Chinese or Taiwanese ones.
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#64

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http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-29440.html

I lived in Korea for a year. Inchon, about 45 min away from Seoul. I experienced the exact opposite. Once you adapt your game, Kgirls are awesome, open for ONS and SNLs, they are so hot, and the country is pretty rad physically. Above is a thread I created reguarding my Korean experience, which was very positive. Everyone has their own perspective and its kind of weird these threads that pop up recently stating no one should go here, the girls are all this way...No dude. You are in a complete country. There are lots and lots of different people there, all believing different things. K-girls are bangable, adapt your game.
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#65

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Korean girls from Korea are very different from their Orange County Korean-American cousins. Plastic surgery is widespread among the under 30 crowd (but they always deny having done it.) They have a tendency to get chubby, but many girls are very good about keeping their features. Generally they have very nice teeth, get some exercise, and drink very moderately. Their sweet, but often really boring. They will do more or less whatever you tell them to in bed, but they also might be quite naive (don't be surprised if they weren't aware that ANYONE swallowed cum.) Korean girls I've known are very concerned about being embarrassed and their image. If, for any reason, her friends know about your relationship, they will take it slow. If they don't think that anyone will ever find out about you, then they might just sleep with you on the first night. They tend to be attracted to white men because they are perceived as gentlemen (but players), more masculine than Korean guys, and to be more assertive while still being cultured. (David Beckham is big in Korea.) Because Korea is one of the wealthiest, and most traditional countries in the world, girls are not generally into men simply because they're Westerners.

Korean-American girls are much less likely to have had plastic surgery, tend to be a bit chubbier than other Asians of the same age (unless their a fitness buff or something.) The Korean community is well established here, so Korean-American girls generally come from middle to upper middle class backgrounds, be college educated and have decent job. They are a lot of fun, as they tend to drink heavily when socializing and tend to clever and charming.. Not always very classy like unhyphenated Koreans. And the sex, with every single Korean-American girl - every. damn. one. was incredible, they are all skilled and would do anything in bed. But outside the bedroom most tend to have a real "diva" attitude, are VERY jealous (Korean dads, like most Asian dads, generally cheat..with hookers.) and tend, consequently, to be poor LTR material. This also means that your average Korean girl has probably fucked more guys than a white girl with the same SMV at the same age.

I'm personally not with a Korean-American girl now (another type of Asian-American in LTR) but I would, despite all the bullshit, still say that generally K-A girls are "the best Asians" on balance because tons of fun, great sex and lots of loyalty, outweighs the drama, I guess), followed by the from Korea, Korean girls. If you can find one of either that's really LTR material then you're a lucky guy. They tend to follow a Alpha Fux, Beta Bux strategy from about age 20 onward, and it usually works out just fine for them. Plenty of beta Asian dudes waiting to marry their high school crush after she's blown 30 different white guys.

But, at least in my book, any chick that's fucked that many guys isn't something I'm going to let live with me of have my babies.
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#66

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Quote: (07-24-2015 04:40 PM)rungoodinc Wrote:  

In my experience:

Korean girls are very charming and attractive with their bodies/skin, style and personalities but also more high-maintenance for relationships.

Chinese girls are less charming and attractive but very good LTR material since they treat you like a god.

Taiwanese girls strike a nice balance in the middle where they are very cute and charming but also require less maintenance than korean girls.

Overall, my first choice is still a hot korean girl who is good LTR material, but it takes more game to find that compared to Chinese or Taiwanese ones.

I asked a Korean chick I messed around with in Busan about that.

You know how they want you to text them X times a day, and they want to do the whole couples outfits and shit. When they start dating they want to be integrated into your life to the max. So I guess if your looking for a LTR who wants to constantly interact with you Kgirls win on that one.

Which is strikingly different form chicks in Japan. These chicks are more than happy with a mail or two during the week and then see you on the weekend to bang. So if you like your space that'd be your cup of tea.

Nearly every single half korean dude I have talked to says never date a korean girl for longer than six months. After the six month mark they start to show their crazy, and it's not the gradual crazy at that point. It goes sweet kgirl -> raving lunatic bitch.
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Which is strikingly different form chicks in Japan. These chicks are more than happy with a mail or two during the week and then see you on the weekend to bang. So if you like your space that'd be your cup of tea.

Nearly every single half korean dude I have talked to says never date a korean girl for longer than six months. After the six month mark they start to show their crazy, and it's not the gradual crazy at that point. It goes sweet kgirl -> raving lunatic bitch.

Definitely confirms what I've heard. Almost every western guy I've met in Asia who has dated both told me they prefer Japanese girls over Korean ones for LTRs for the reason you mentioned-- they are more relaxed and understanding of men and their needs.

Also, a lot of my Korean-American and even some Korean friends have warned me about marrying a Korean girl for the exact same reasons. Apparently they totally change once you put a ring on it and become super demanding/bitchy. Of course, frame control and game can fix these issues but it becomes extremely important in this situation. If she has a true understanding of Western culture (spent a year or two studying abroad, etc), she will probably be more accommodating since they know that we value individuality etc.

That said, I've been hooked on the Korean poosy for years and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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#68

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Also, these Kgirl threads this, Kgirl threads that, almost all of the commenters always start by saying "I heard this..." "I read that..." Well shit, either go to the place and find out, or it is kind of a useless conversation. It seems like there is a lot of interest these days w Kgirls...so go and find out, debating how hard or not they are to lay, when you have never been, or do not plan on going, seems kind of weird to me. If you havent gone, how on earth are you even discussing their difficulty?
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#69

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Also, these Kgirl threads this, Kgirl threads that, almost all of the commenters always start by saying "I heard this..." "I read that..." Well shit, either go to the place and find out, or it is kind of a useless conversation. It seems like there is a lot of interest these days w Kgirls...so go and find out, debating how hard or not they are to lay, when you have never been, or do not plan on going, seems kind of weird to me. If you havent gone, how on earth are you even discussing their difficulty?

Wtf? When I said "I heard" I was talking about JAPANESE girls, not korean ones. I do not exaggerate my experiences. I have not banged a japanese girl so I will not act like I have expertise there.

I lived in Seoul (Gangnam) for 3 years. I went out to the main clubs in Gangnam and Itaewon every single friday and saturday night for 2.5 years out of those three years. That is my experience.

I am certain that you are aware of this because you've flamed me numerous times in other threads on Korea.

We're trying to have a discussion here and you're completely derailing the thread and not even addressing the topic. Quit hating and contribute some value in the form of discussion or insights instead of repeatedly linking to your own thread out of context.
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#70

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I know what you mean man, i make the trip back to korea 3 or four times a year because i can never get enough

Heck, just the other day i got to know this korean chick here in osaka, still acts like typical kgirl. I couldnt get enough, i think ill have her teach me korean.
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#71

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Quote: (07-27-2015 01:05 PM)rungoodinc Wrote:  

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Which is strikingly different form chicks in Japan. These chicks are more than happy with a mail or two during the week and then see you on the weekend to bang. So if you like your space that'd be your cup of tea.

Nearly every single half korean dude I have talked to says never date a korean girl for longer than six months. After the six month mark they start to show their crazy, and it's not the gradual crazy at that point. It goes sweet kgirl -> raving lunatic bitch.

Definitely confirms what I've heard. Almost every western guy I've met in Asia who has dated both told me they prefer Japanese girls over Korean ones for LTRs for the reason you mentioned-- they are more relaxed and understanding of men and their needs.

Also, a lot of my Korean-American and even some Korean friends have warned me about marrying a Korean girl for the exact same reasons. Apparently they totally change once you put a ring on it and become super demanding/bitchy. Of course, frame control and game can fix these issues but it becomes extremely important in this situation. If she has a true understanding of Western culture (spent a year or two studying abroad, etc), she will probably be more accommodating since they know that we value individuality etc.

That said, I've been hooked on the Korean poosy for years and I don't see that changing any time soon.

I'm western and live in Asia and have had LTR's with both JP and KR and KR is definitely better, more understanding, more flexible to change and accepting of differing opinions, less pressuring.

All my friends here have had very tough times with JP girls, (Divorce, cheating,mental problems, controlling finances) and I have had a 3 year LTR that was horrendous, daily pressure for commitment, unwillingness to embrace western ideas, constantly asking and trusting only other JP chicks for advice on everything, distrusting and ridiculing western views, unquestioningly accepting the Japanese society BS.(And this JP chick had lived in the US for 3 years)

I have a couple of other friends who have switched from JP to KR chicks and they have the same experience as me, far easier life if you are looking for an LTR.
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#72

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Quote: (07-27-2015 10:39 PM)NikuNashi Wrote:  

I'm western and live in Asia and have had LTR's with both JP and KR and KR is definitely better, more understanding, more flexible to change and accepting of differing opinions, less pressuring.

All my friends here have had very tough times with JP girls, (Divorce, cheating,mental problems, controlling finances) and I have had a 3 year LTR that was horrendous, daily pressure for commitment, unwillingness to embrace western ideas, constantly asking and trusting only other JP chicks for advice on everything, distrusting and ridiculing western views, unquestioningly accepting the Japanese society BS.(And this JP chick had lived in the US for 3 years)

I have a couple of other friends who have switched from JP to KR chicks and they have the same experience as me, far easier life if you are looking for an LTR.

You just reminded me of some shit back when I LTR'd this one Japanese girl I dated back in Uni.
Granted, it was before I know what do now, but when it comes to blindly listening to advice and ideas of others it's crazy how much a small thing can influence another. 2 years into our relationship, she wanted to make me watch gay porn and see if I would get hard because of a blog she read. The blog was basically, J-girl dated a westerner but the guy ended up being gay. So automatically all other J-girls who were dating western guy were probably dating still-in-the-closet gay dudes.

So instead I had her watch lesbian porn and proceeded to rail her all night long [Image: banana.gif]
For the record, I never did watch the gay porn she wanted me to. Who honestly wants to watch two dudes fucking.

With that said though, korean social circles have far too much influence on what the girls do. If her friends don't like you, the chick is going to leave you faster than she'd leave a dude with no money.
On the flip side, if her friends like you it almost becomes a situation where you can do no wrong. And of course, I'm sure all the guys here are charming as fuck, so that's never a problem. Just don't let em see you with the side chicks.
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#73

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my friends here have had very tough times with JP girls, (Divorce, cheating,mental problems, controlling finances) and I have had a 3 year LTR that was horrendous, daily pressure for commitment, unwillingness to embrace western ideas, constantly asking and trusting only other JP chicks for advice on everything, distrusting and ridiculing western views, unquestioningly accepting the Japanese society BS.(And this JP chick had lived in the US for 3 years)

Its funny because most of my friends living in Korea would describe the girls exactly like this in an LTR context. I guess its a case of the grass being greener on the other side. I always pumped n dumped or kept regulars but never got too serious so I can't comment as much.

One thing I like about Korean girls over J girls is that way more of them have studied abroad, either for a year to study English or for their undergraduate degrees. These girls are my favorite: they have an understanding of western culture which makes them more open-minded but they still retain their Eastern femininity at the same time. And of course their English is essentially fluent at this point.
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#74

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I have experience with both Japanese and Korean girls and personally I feel both have problems, not in a "nobody's perfect, why are you even posting you ass clown" way, but both have specific issues.

Korean girls:

Passionate
Jealous
Feisty
Are some of the traits I see often and it leads to good and bad. The good being, you get a girl that has her own opinions and isnt afraid to convey them to you. Also being passionate, I feel makes them better in bed than the average Japanese girl because it always feels better when she lets you know her worlds being rocked. I never felt like I was with a zombie or a drone when I was with a Korean.

Now the bad, Korean girls remind me of my batshit crazy ex girlfriends. We've all had one, controlling, manipulative, temperamental, mood swings up the ass, and insanely jealous (shit, did I just describe women in general?). This factor is why the Korean friends of one of the previous posters, was saying don't marry a Korean chick.

Japanese girls :
Sweet
Low maintenance
Not the brightest

The Japanese girls are really a sweet bunch, they always try to think of their guy, ie "I shouldn't call him too much because I don't want to bother him" or "He probably hasn't called me in 4 days because he's busy". This makes them really low maintenance. The thing that drives me crazy is the way their society has programmed them to not have an individual thought in their head. A bit extreme, but intelligence in women is not a positive asset in a wife in Japanese society. Trying to think of the guys feelings leads to never giving their own opinions. I was dating a chick and would always decide what to eat and once in awhile I'd ask her if there was anything in particular she wanted, she always said "I can't decide, whatever you want." This shit drove me nuts because I'm thinking, "Bitch, you eat with your friends? Yeah? If all ya'll this retarded how do you fucking decide when you get in a little zombie pack?!". All Japanese girls I've met firmly believe all men cheat/go to p4p joints which explains the high number of loveless marriages that go on.

Conclusion:

Kgirls are cool and fun to be with until they can't keep the monster in check and unleash the batshit craziness that makes me hate women sometimes.

Jgirls are sweet and low maintenance but not a whole lot of free thinking. Also they have a bit of emotional retardation going on, which explains why Japan has the lowest sexual satisfaction rate in the world.

Oh and looks wise
Koreans = pretty
Japanese= cute
Both can be sexy

Damn, there's so much more but I'm out and on my phone so that's what I got for now.
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#75

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Quote: (07-28-2015 12:46 AM)Sigma Wrote:  

Japanese girls :
Sweet
Low maintenance

Not the brightest

I agree with a lot of your observations, especially the emotional/mental retardation, lack of ability for free thinking of JP chicks.

I was wondering what age groups you have experience of. As for me I have had JP girls of all ranges, I can say that the traits you mentioned vary wildly from age group.

Younger chicks (23-28) Seem quite sweet and respectful and low maintenance. However they have no capacity to think at all, rely on friends for guidance and follow everything as you stated. They are very fake, will not show their true feelings of dissatisfaction or frustration.

Jp chicks aged above 30 however are very different in my experience. They are extremely focused (Due to society pressure to get married once you hit the magic 30), from the first date they are constructing a mental roadmap in order to hit their given target of marriage and then baby. Once they deem a relationship as serious, then the pressure will be applied, first it's Disney Land together, then a trip to Hakone, then meet the parents, then engagement, then marriage within 12 months and then a baby immediately after at which point they will quit their job (often expecting to receive the husbands pay check every month and from it give the husband a small amount of pocket money for himself.

I only got to the engagement bit before a couple of bat shit crazy episodes woke me up to the realization that I had to get out of it.
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