I was macking on some girl who was friends with the female bartender, trying to convince her to come with me to another bar. The bouncer came up to me and said it was time to go. I said, "Cool just give me one more minute."

I'm giving one last effort to drag her out, then not 30 seconds later the bouncer came back. I said, "Alright alright let me say goodbye to her." He said no and then before I knew it he's pushing me out. He was huge so I couldn't escape his grasp. Of course I didn't get the girl's number. I was pissed because I've spent some good money at that bar and didn't get the benefit of the doubt.

I won't be going back there again, obviously.

It's amazing how offended some people get by pickup, like you're a step away from date-raping her.

It reminds me of one of the earlier Simple Pickup videos, where the guys are on campus (looks like UCLA) and some random faculty member accosts them and starts calling security even though these guys are just talking to girls.

where was this? you still in industrial shithole?

In Soviet Russia, bar drinks you.

Quote: (04-22-2012 01:08 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

where was this? you still in industrial shithole?

Yes.

Haters are going to hate.

This kind of shit happens to me a lot.

I think it usually best to get the group on your side before zeroing in on the target.

I made sure to do this at my new spot after being banished from my old haunt last year. I'm so 'in' with the new place that when I show up, the bouncers sometimes welcome me by egging me on: "We got a lot of girls in here tonight!"

Roosh, I'm curious about one thing- I sometimes perform at Russian bars in the states, and I've noticed that they have the most intense hospitality. There are times when I'll come in and the manager will actually bring girls over to the table next to mine and say something "these are my friends." My buddy has noticed this at another Russian spot. They bring girls over and are essentially like "these are for you, comrade." Have you noticed anything like this?

I'm guessing that if you are in, you are really in, and if you are out, then you are nothing.

I recently got kicked out of a club in Dubai. The lesson learned was: Russian/EE hookers will NOT fuck for free.

Yeah I've pissed off the wrong people before by getting "too friendly with the natives" and been asked to leave too. In the US I don't really care, but in Mexico I was scared shitless.

Quote: (04-22-2012 01:22 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Russian/EE hookers will NOT fuck for free.

bingo.

I was once carried out of a small town bar by 4 guys for hitting up the local talent. At least one was nice enough to open the door instead of using my head...

They don't like you stealing "their" snatch at times. Makes no difference if they will never sniff it, it's theirs.

This is why I don't PDA in bars or clubs if I can avoid it. It's bound to offend someone and, sooner or later, that someone is going to have the power--and gumption--to cockblock you.

Quote: (04-22-2012 02:14 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

This is why I don't PDA in bars or clubs if I can avoid it. It's bound to offend someone and, sooner or later, that someone is going to have the power--and gumption--to cockblock you.

Good point.

I never really thought about it, probably because I was pretty bombed that night, but that was one of the few times I did any physical escalation in the bar.

I don't dance either, so normally the dbags only see me talking with the girls, which is obviously less threatening to them than a guy overtly trying to steal their herd.

Yeah, there is that sense of "ownership" by the natives on their women. I never quite understood it because (like someone else in this thread pointed out), some of those natives will NEVER sniff that woman.

Maybe it is because I am American and would probably help the foreigner take the American chick with him.

Quote: (04-22-2012 02:14 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

This is why I don't PDA in bars or clubs if I can avoid it. It's bound to offend someone and, sooner or later, that someone is going to have the power--and gumption--to cockblock you.

Ever since implementing your first date bang recipe, I've been working on ways of doing private PDA. I'll figure out ways to escalate without letting anyone else notice. It actually turns girls on even more than doing it for everyone to see.

Last Monday, I approached a girl in a dark bar and soon after was talking with her and her friends. Soon after that, I had my hand around her waist, but her friends couldn't really see. In a few minutes my hand was on her ass. Then I moved it to her crack.

This was all "in secret." We were both facing her friends, and I was standing behind her. Up top, we were having a totally normal conversation, and her friends had no idea that I was massaging this girls genitals. It was a great way of simultaneously building comfort and arousing her. I remember doing this kind of hidden escalation over 10 years ago with a girl, way before I knew anything of game. I ended up going out with her for like 5 years.

She once told me that it was that move that sealed the deal for her! Props to secret kino.

Pretty much everyone I know that goes to bars has been kicked out at least once, including me. It's a lot easier now then it was 20 or 30 years ago, everything so PC now. A few years ago, before the bar changed owners, you couldn't curse or you would get kicked out, that was my sin, I said fuck in the bar.

I've got kicked out of a number of bars, including one yesterday... was my fault, I was damn near passing out around 8pm from lack of sleep and excess vodka. Not really a big deal unless it happens because you're puking in the bar, IMO.

Quote: (04-22-2012 01:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I was macking on some girl who was friends with the female bartender, trying to convince her to come with me to another bar. The bouncer came up to me and said it was time to go. I said, "Cool just give me one more minute."

I'm giving one last effort to drag her out, then not 30 seconds later the bouncer came back. I said, "Alright alright let me say goodbye to her." He said no and then before I knew it he's pushing me out. He was huge so I couldn't escape his grasp. Of course I didn't get the girl's number. I was pissed because I've spent some good money at that bar and didn't get the benefit of the doubt.

I won't be going back there again, obviously.

Was it your first time in there or had you frequented there a few times? If the female bartender had seen you there a few times hitting on different women, she would have pegged you for a PUA

Roosh it was for the best. If bouncers are stepping in its often because the woman may "belong" or is on the radar of one of the club owners, connected guys, known psychos or even one of the other bouncers. He is getting you away before trouble comes.

Quote: (04-22-2012 01:22 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I recently got kicked out of a club in Dubai. The lesson learned was: Russian/EE hookers will NOT fuck for free.

Dubai - the only place in the world where you need to game whores AND pay them

I wish I could be in a bar business. they treat customers like a sheep but people still come back.

Hahaha, I used to privately hate on guys doing successful pickup back in the days when I had no game, but sicing the bouncer on you is just incredibly lame! Instead of concerning themselves with important things like fights or inventory distraction, they try to stop people from getting together.

Quote: (04-22-2012 10:46 PM)Lukey Wrote:  

Quote: (04-22-2012 01:22 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I recently got kicked out of a club in Dubai. The lesson learned was: Russian/EE hookers will NOT fuck for free.

Dubai - the only place in the world where you need to game whores AND pay them

Naaa. The Asian/African chicks will give it up for free it you have game. I took the Russian challenge out of boredom, and went into it knowing I would fail.

I was fun though.

Yeah, it's good you got away with that because I've seen guys getting their ass whooped for talking to the wrong girl.
Mystery's 3-second rule does not apply in FSU, the Balkans, and other wilder parts of the world.

I've been kicked out of several bars, but not for hitting on girls. A couple weeks ago one of the club employees did come over to tell me and my friend that "Girls no want you." hah. In Thailand everyone has their own little table at the club. We went up and were talking to these girls, and my set was going pretty well. But when my buddy started smoking off of their hookah without asking I think the other girl got pissy and waved over the bottle service boy. He was nice, no big deal. However, the girl could have just asked us to leave herself.

I have already written that if you go caveman in eastern Ukraine you are likely to get some acquaintances among local guys.
Especially in the case of female friends of bartenders I had also some rather unpleasant encounters.The female bartender wants to hook her good looking friend with some male friends of hers or the male bartender so any attempt to pick her up is out of the question.
It is also likely that you are already known in the city for running pick up.Women always talk about foreigners who approach them.Some women even know you without you knowing them.