Quote: (04-20-2012 01:18 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

LifeBeginsAt40, that girl is smokin hot. You say the 5 you met were similar? How many of the 5 did you fuck, and about how long did it take you? Also, did you get the impression they were ONLY with you for money? Did you have to spend a lot of money on the girls?

Only one but three went past first dates. I was over there to find a bride which I did so I narrowed myself to one pretty quick. Biggest mistake I ever made getting married.

Spartan, I agree. 8 years is a long time. My experience was back in 2004 so maybe the market has got a lot more saturated since. If I look at 1996 to 2004, in 1996 you would get 60yo men taking 20yo's that would be 9's and marrying them. Kind of makes me nostalgic for the 90's

Quote: (04-19-2012 10:50 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Look I am not one to judge a mans taste in women, but where is your confidence guys? By FSU standards, those women are below average. You can and should be batting much higher. Dont be afraid to raise the bar a bit.

Spartan are you not a pre med student or something from the US? You do realise that this makes you a fucking whale where you are right now dont you?

You guys trip me out. The first and third women(at least judging from the pics) would be considered attractive to 95% of the men on this planet. Admittedly that 2nd one looks mannish.

Very overrated women as far as quality goes. I still dont understand the big Hype about FSU/E Europe/Baltics.

Very overrated women as far as quality goes. I still dont understand the big Hype about FSU/E Europe/Baltics.

Quote: (04-20-2012 11:45 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You guys trip me out. The first and third women(at least judging from the pics) would be considered attractive to 95% of the men on this planet. Admittedly that 2nd one looks mannish.

Are you being serious? No way those women will be something to tell back home. Their facial features arent objetively beautiful.

Quote: (04-20-2012 05:35 AM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

Quote: (04-20-2012 01:18 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

LifeBeginsAt40, that girl is smokin hot. You say the 5 you met were similar? How many of the 5 did you fuck, and about how long did it take you? Also, did you get the impression they were ONLY with you for money? Did you have to spend a lot of money on the girls?

Only one but three went past first dates. I was over there to find a bride which I did so I narrowed myself to one pretty quick. Biggest mistake I ever made getting married.

Spartan, I agree. 8 years is a long time. My experience was back in 2004 so maybe the market has got a lot more saturated since. If I look at 1996 to 2004, in 1996 you would get 60yo men taking 20yo's that would be 9's and marrying them. Kind of makes me nostalgic for the 90's

How long did they last? I'm guessing not very.

Quote: (04-20-2012 11:45 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (04-19-2012 10:50 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Look I am not one to judge a mans taste in women, but where is your confidence guys? By FSU standards, those women are below average. You can and should be batting much higher. Dont be afraid to raise the bar a bit.

Spartan are you not a pre med student or something from the US? You do realise that this makes you a fucking whale where you are right now dont you?

You guys trip me out. The first and third women(at least judging from the pics) would be considered attractive to 95% of the men on this planet. Admittedly that 2nd one looks mannish.

Then what is the point of going to FSU you can get that quality easily in the US without much trouble

Quote: (04-20-2012 02:16 PM)Partizan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-20-2012 05:35 AM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

Quote: (04-20-2012 01:18 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

LifeBeginsAt40, that girl is smokin hot. You say the 5 you met were similar? How many of the 5 did you fuck, and about how long did it take you? Also, did you get the impression they were ONLY with you for money? Did you have to spend a lot of money on the girls?

Only one but three went past first dates. I was over there to find a bride which I did so I narrowed myself to one pretty quick. Biggest mistake I ever made getting married.

Spartan, I agree. 8 years is a long time. My experience was back in 2004 so maybe the market has got a lot more saturated since. If I look at 1996 to 2004, in 1996 you would get 60yo men taking 20yo's that would be 9's and marrying them. Kind of makes me nostalgic for the 90's

How long did they last? I'm guessing not very.

They actually lasted quite a while. Back then such marriages were very rare and ways to exploit them weren't well known. Nowadays pretty much every FSU woman who marries a foreigner knows all the ins and outs of the visa process and exactly how to exploit it and leave the man holding his nuts. The agencies over there actually tell them everything they need to know should they want to leave their man. The 1990's it was still pure and innocent but like everything in the FSU, it gets corrupted over time.

Quote: (04-20-2012 11:45 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You guys trip me out. The first and third women(at least judging from the pics) would be considered attractive to 95% of the men on this planet. Admittedly that 2nd one looks mannish.

Yet not to the 5% who have been to Ukraine/Russia. Those women may be attractive by US standards but by Ukraine standards they are not. If you were going through a catalog of agency women from the Ukraine, you would not even give them a second look.

Quote: (04-20-2012 07:05 PM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

If you were going through a catalog of agency women from the Ukraine, you would not even give them a second look.

Wow.

Am I in the wrong country????

What is wrong here.
I just had a "date" with a girl who was looking for a sponsor. She was exactly like Greek Kamaki described girls (presents and all). Basically, she was a prostitute and an alcoholic with a 2 year old daughter who is being raised by her grandmom because mom loves gambling, sex, and booze too much.

I ended up taking her out to dinner and a night club so I could gain insight into FSU girls. I ended up kissing/fingering her inside a VIP room in the club. She did not reciprocate after she came..just like a true whore. Still, it was worth a glimpse into the mindset of a sponsorette.


Not that I would ever have an LTR with this kind of girl, but still she wasn't interested in me. Seems she can meet her needs (booze, gambling, and sex) just fine here in the FSU.


It seems like this place is not the pussy paradise it once was. I'm going to go back to the night club tomorrow with a friend.

Maybe I should try a different FSU country? Maybe I'm in the wrong city??

Or...I don't know what.

I'm at wits ends here.

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Picture of FSU sponsorette (aka prostitute)

^^^ Well at least she looks decent, much better that the ones before. The first and second one would be average at best in America as well...

^^^ Did she have a skanky pussy? Don't act like you didn't smell your finger after!

She aint too shabby. Dont give up man, keep trying. You will strike it lucky.

When I was last in Ukraine(2007), I got most of my pussy without any expenditure apart from a coffee, meal, cocktail here and there.

So you basically paid for her to cum and not you?. I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

Quote: (04-21-2012 04:45 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

When I was last in Ukraine(2007), I got most of my pussy without any expenditure apart from a coffee, meal, cocktail here and there.

So you basically paid for her to cum and not you?. I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

Maybe you could offer up some advice for him since you've been there and done that? That's what this forum is all about man.

Well hard to advise.....but I would rather leave somewhere with my dick in my hand than pay. Been to Ukraine a few times. Easy to spot the slags as they are generally hanging around the bar in nightclubs. Buying girls drinks works sometimes, I would say 25% of the time, the rest of the time she will neck it, then go to the next gullible looking guy to buy her a cocktail.

Best thing to do is get a table in a nightlcub there, have a dance with a girl(be forceful and confident), then say "come have a drink with me, me and my friends are sitting over here"

Quote: (04-21-2012 06:31 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

Well hard to advise.....but I would rather leave somewhere with my dick in my hand than pay. Been to Ukraine a few times. Easy to spot the slags as they are generally hanging around the bar in nightclubs. Buying girls drinks works sometimes, I would say 25% of the time, the rest of the time she will neck it, then go to the next gullible looking guy to buy her a cocktail.

Best thing to do is get a table in a nightlcub there, have a dance with a girl(be forceful and confident), then say "come have a drink with me, me and my friends are sitting over here"

Not much good if you are going solo like Spartan is alot of the time. Many here including myself prefer going solo.

Here is a russian one of mine, was with her for far too long and it almsot went very wrong.

Pic from Kiev last year. I had a nice few of days with the brunette in the grey dress on the left. Smashed her on the 3rd date.
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Typical girl next door type that I prefer.

   

Just talking to the girl in the pink dress on VK. Those are the kind of girls we should be targeting. Oh, and she doesn't speak a word of English. Google Translate all the way.

Quote: (04-21-2012 06:43 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-21-2012 06:31 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

Well hard to advise.....but I would rather leave somewhere with my dick in my hand than pay. Been to Ukraine a few times. Easy to spot the slags as they are generally hanging around the bar in nightclubs. Buying girls drinks works sometimes, I would say 25% of the time, the rest of the time she will neck it, then go to the next gullible looking guy to buy her a cocktail.

Best thing to do is get a table in a nightlcub there, have a dance with a girl(be forceful and confident), then say "come have a drink with me, me and my friends are sitting over here"

Not much good if you are going solo like Spartan is alot of the time. Many here including myself prefer going solo.

I usually only go solo when i'm in a new city and don't know anyone, otherwise I always like to go with people. I don't think i've ever had any success on my own, but I can't recall. I'm a very sociable person.

I find 3-4 is a good number usually, I like to engross myself in conversation with the guys and ignore the girls completely for a while. When they see the male bonding they are impressed.

Can imagine it's difficult to find a wing in FSU, lots of old farts, or many expats get into relationships quickly. Hard to find some like minded Lothario

Quote: (04-20-2012 07:50 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Am I in the wrong country????

What is wrong here.
I just had a "date" with a girl who was looking for a sponsor. She was exactly like Greek Kamaki described girls (presents and all). Basically, she was a prostitute and an alcoholic with a 2 year old daughter who is being raised by her grandmom because mom loves gambling, sex, and booze too much.

I ended up taking her out to dinner and a night club so I could gain insight into FSU girls. I ended up kissing/fingering her inside a VIP room in the club. She did not reciprocate after she came..just like a true whore. Still, it was worth a glimpse into the mindset of a sponsorette.


Not that I would ever have an LTR with this kind of girl, but still she wasn't interested in me. Seems she can meet her needs (booze, gambling, and sex) just fine here in the FSU.


It seems like this place is not the pussy paradise it once was. I'm going to go back to the night club tomorrow with a friend.

Maybe I should try a different FSU country? Maybe I'm in the wrong city??

Or...I don't know what.

I'm at wits ends here.

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Picture of FSU sponsorette (aka prostitute)

Hey, I wanted to reply earlier, but I only have decent time to write responses on the weekends. You need to give us some more background information. Maybe you wrote it and I missed it.

Mainly, what is your game in the USA like? Ukraine improves the physical quality of the chicks you are banging, but you still need to have a good baseline game to make a good go at it.

It's a sliding scale of improvement based upon what you're hitting in the USA. The lower you hit in the USA, the more points up the scale you can go.

If you're hitting 3s in the USA, you can grab 6s in Ukraine with regularity. If you hit 8s in the USA, you can grab 9s there. No one, even the best players can grab 10s over there with regularity.. even 9s are quite difficult because let's face it... there isn't a hot girl on the planet that doesn't know she's hot.

But you need to let us know what your American baseline is -- that'll tell you how high to aim in Ukraine. Once you got your game going over there, you can start upgrading, but not before. But you first need to get that steady pump. Once you've got your steady pump, you'll be more relaxed and natural and can cherry pick new attractive girls. I'm talking aimed fire rather than using a spray and pray approach, which is what it seems like you're doing now.

If you went to Ukraine expecting miracles, you'll be sorely disappointed. What is your approach? How do you present yourself to women? Do you take a tough guy approach, a cultured guy approach?

I think you said you're in Kharkov, right? If that's the case, you are in the right city in Ukraine. There's plenty of young student girls there.

That chick you met is a typical very low-class Ukrainian slut. I met thousands of those. The good thing about low class girls in Ukraine is that they still look good, instead of fat trailer park trash in the USA. You should have got the bang. In fact, you should have treated her like Rocco Siffredi. By the way you write your posts, you're probably too cultured for her. You need to aim for a girl from a higher socio-economic group. However, when you do that, she won't be impressed by your foreigner status, nor will you get a quick bang, but you'll be able to relate better it sounds like and she'll be more likely to treat you like a human being instead of a walking wallet with a target on your shirt.

The only FSU country I can recommend if you're having difficulties in Ukraine is Moldova. That's closer to being the glory days of the FSU. Chisinau is actually quite nice and much better than you'd think. It has decent infrastructure, parks, and the girls are far more excited to meet foreign guys. Best bar there a few years ago was Booz Time. Ukrainian and Russian girls have had a reputation for years now, so lots of guys have rolled through. Chisinau isn't virgin territory by any means, but still it's way less traveled.

One other thing: You say you're going to be a doctor. Don't assume that the girls there know what a western doctor is and that a Western doctor makes megabucks. To them, a doctor is someone that works at a state hospital and makes $300/month.

In their minds, the only doctor that makes money is the one that opens up his own private clinic for rich people, so make sure you make clear to them that that's the kind of doctor you are going to be.

Great posts Subotai. I wanted to give you a +1 but I could not find the function. Can we still give +1 on the forum?

Quote: (04-21-2012 11:22 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Just talking to the girl in the pink dress on VK. Those are the kind of girls we should be targeting. Oh, and she doesn't speak a word of English. Google Translate all the way.

They look average level at best.