Quote: (04-23-2019 10:43 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

I don’t buy into the inevitability of Automation and UBI, but let’s assume automation is indeed inevitable, that we’ll reach The Singularity and therefore something like UBI will happen in one way or another.

So what?

Does that change the fact that modern living is unnatural, that intersexual relations NEED traditional settings (and this includes technological constraints) to be healthy, that mass produced food and mass produced entertainment poison your body and mind – not to mention your soul?

Should we just go with the flow, collect our UBI, get money and bitches and then what? Because, if it is so inevitable, it won’t stop there. Oh no, no, no. Physical humans still take space up, especially with all the miracle crap that will come, so the next step will eventually be taken. Should we join the march towards cyborg enhancements further extending our physical life? Well, then they will push mind uploading to the cloud so you can ‘live’ forever without taking any space. Should we do that too? All the “cool kids” are doing it – or will be anyway. Is this the kind of life you want, where nothing separates you from anyone else? There’s no such thing as community, family or even individuality in this equation.

So even if it is inevitable, we should still fight against it, if nowhere else in our own lives. Death may be inevitable but I’m not jumping into a volcano tomorrow. I’d rather die fighting than give in to the globohomo 2.0 – now with enhanced graphics and sound effects. Fuck that.

It’s better to die as a man than live as an automaton. Death is not the worse that can happen to you.

What is your plan to "die fighting" automation?

Gonna go charging at autonomous cars with an axe until you get run over?

I'd rather do that than buy into the singularity nonsense, that's for sure.

But what I meant was that people should move to the countryside, form families and communities, live as close to the land and with as minimal technology as possible. If the cyborg army shows at your doorstep, fight them. And die fighting (probably).

I was never a fan of 'if you can't beat them, join them' mentality. If they're wrong and you can't beat them, fight them all the same. Or retreat. But don't join them.

I mean you could apply that logic to anything. "it's inevitable that my kids will be turned into drag queens. the globohomo is too great and strong. oh well, here son, put this skirt and make up on". Cmon.

People have done that in the past, you know - dying for something they believe, and in particular against technological encroachments on their lives. Something beautifully illustrated in this movie and in particular this scene:

Well, ACKSHUALLY, the struggle that the Last Samurai depicted is best understood as an attempt by a privileged class to maintain status over the peasants. "Dying for something they believed in" had jack all to do with it, the Samurai had just lost their sweet government bennies and went on a killing spree over it. (The gov't passed a law saying they weren't gonna give the samurai a stipend paid for with taxes on the peasantry anymore, and the samurai got all pissy about it.)

But sperging aside, so your plan is to move out to the countryside and grow turnips by hand, and then if the robots from terminator show up, you'll go out in a blaze of gunfire?

Is this something you're doing right now? Or actively making plans to do?

Quote: (04-23-2019 11:39 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Well, ACKSHUALLY, the struggle that the Last Samurai depicted is best understood as an attempt by a privileged class to maintain status over the peasants. "Dying for something they believed in" had jack all to do with it, the Samurai had just lost their sweet government bennies and went on a killing spree over it. (The gov't passed a law saying they weren't gonna give the samurai a stipend paid for with taxes on the peasantry anymore, and the samurai got all pissy about it.)

But sperging aside, so your plan is to move out to the countryside and grow turnips by hand, and then if the robots from terminator show up, you'll go out in a blaze of gunfire?

Is this something you're doing right now? Or actively making plans to do?

It is. Planning - or early implementation - stages, but it is my objective.

As for the Samurai, I am not an egalitarian in any sense so I view this situation differently. This is not to say that all Samurai were great guys and were right all the time. But I am not against castes, classes, serfs and masters - I believe the strong and honorable should rule, and the weak and helpless should obey. For their own good. And I am not under the illusion that I will be part of the ruling class. But I am not against ruling classes per se. I am against bad government, not government itself.

These distinctions - legal ones - have existed everywhere across history for a reason. There are natural elites (and they are not what Alex Jones say they are). Real elites are privileged because they are honorable, stronger, wiser and assume more responsibility. This is how nobility arises from dead empires. The Samurai were fighting to keep their status, yes, but this status was inherently linked to the traditional culture of Japan - which was destroyed by the West and replaced with technological atomization, leading to the empty shell that is the Japanese man today. The fact the Samurai still figures in their culture so much to this day tells me they yearn for that society, for the traditional structures and values the Samurai embodied. I used to be pretty dismissive of Japan and rolled my eyes when rightwingers hailed them as a great society for not allowing muslims, when they suffer all the other facets of modernity to an extreme extent. Then I started learning about Bushido and Japanese history and it changed my view of them completely. I still think they are extremely fucked, but now I know they weren't always like this. They too have been deracinated and debased by modernity. But people talk about modernity as if it doesn't contain technological aspects. Modernity is certainly not ONLY human sacrifice to technological efficiency but to ignore this aspect is to be voluntarily blind.

Hey I respect your plan. The cool thing about the singularity is that post-scarcity you can do whatever you want.

Read some Iain M Banks novels to see what a good version of a post-singularity society looks like. Sure, it's full of degenerate stuff, because that's the path humans are on. But it's notable that there are many civilizations in the Culture that aren't degenerate. When there's no competition for materiel, energy or space then dissidents can just go do their own thing.

I don't believe we will ever reach the singularity and post-scarcity - I think God will end the world before that happens. It's also because of this belief in God, and my understanding of creation (including humanity) that I don't think it's possible to sustain morality in a post-scarcity world, if it is ever to exist. Morality, as E Michael Jones likes to say, is practical reason. This reason is practical given the circumstances of our world. I do not think it's a coincidence that the more artificial our environment and the more comfortable our lives become, the more societies fall into hedonism and self-destruction. I believe it's a self correcting mechanism.

But I understand not everyone believes in God and understands it the same way as applied to civilizations. On the other hand, Ted Kaczynski is an atheist and has come to these conclusions (and in large part it's through him that I came to them as well), so I don't think it's necessary to view this from a religious point of view - just that to me it fits perfectly with the Christian understanding of the world - and perhaps not surprising, Ted was highly influenced by Jacques Ellul, which was a Catholic.

Re: automation, the difference between impossible and normal is shorter than you think, especially when the majority of the population isn't directly involved with any one sector.
Re: fleeing it. You'd have to have very minimal wants, as unaugmented/automated labour would either be near-useless at generating economic value, or useless, if automated is far superior in quantity. You'd have to rely on your luddite community for everything, though the Amish seem to be doing okay.

Re: Samurai. Here's a Sabaton song about the last stand of the Samurai rebellion.





Re: Betting, Biden will officially announce on Thursday, which should widen the odds on Yang. It's unlikely he'll win, but it is far more than 5% likely. Remember how large the AfAm base is in the Dem party, and how they have no bias when it comes to a choice between EuAm and AsAm candidates. 70% Black Washington had a Chinese mayor.

AI and automated hiring is now becoming a thing...

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If you think looking for a job is already daunting, anxiety-riddled, and unpleasant, just wait until the algorithms take over the hiring process. When they do, a newfangled 'digital recruiter' like VCV, which just received $1.7 million in early investment, hopes it will look something like this: First, a search bot will be used to scan CVs by the thousands, yours presumably among them. If it's picked out of the haystack, you will be contacted by a chatbot. Over SMS, the bot will set an appointment for a phone interview, which will be conducted by an automated system enabled by voice recognition AI. Next, the system will ask you, the applicant, to record video responses to a set of predetermined interview questions. Finally, the program can use facial recognition and predictive analytics to complete the screening, algorithmically determining whether the nervousness, mood, and behavior patterns you exhibit make you a fit for the company. If you pass all that, then you will be recommended for an in-person job interview.

[...] VCV, which did not respond to a request for comment, is far from alone here. A growing suite of startups is pitching AI-driven recruitment services, promising to save corporations millions of dollars throughout the hiring process by reducing overhead, to pluck more ideal candidates out of obscurity, and to reduce bias in the hiring process. Most offer little to no evidence of how they actually do so. VCV's much-larger competitor, HireVue, which has raked in a staggering $93 million in funding and is backed by top-tier Silicon Valley venture capital firms like Sequoia, is hocking many of the same services. It counts 700 companies as its clients, including, it says, Urban Outfitters, Intel, Honeywell, and Unilever. AllyO, which was founded in 2015, and "utilizes deep workflow conversational AI to fully automate end to end recruiting workflow" has $19 million in backing.

Christ. Sounds like a nightmare.
If I don't get my Yangbucks maybe I'll go hang out on ilostabet's turnip farm with him.

I have only this to say about the piece of trash that is HireVue:

https://www.asktheheadhunter.com/9044/hi...t-shortage

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In the midst of a talent shortage, HR tells the talent to sit for video interviews but can’t figure out why it can’t attract the talent it needs. Gee, is there a connection? Or is the modern HR executive daft?

Automating recruiting is really going to backfire. A company that attracts the worst of the worst through retarded "tools" like HireVue et al. is guaranteed to go under unless it's already a monopoly.

Seems like a new season of black mirror can play off AI alone.

Folks. Get into the trades if you're not someone with skills they aren't easily replaceable. At least in the trades you can do the job or you can't. What do I mean by that. No need to sit in front of a recruiter or AI machine to get a job. Just show your work or get word of mouth recs and you're good. A good tradesman will be consistently busy.

AI theoretically can eliminate all of those pencil pusher jobs. There is going to be an uptick in seeking arrangements or sugar daddy sites. I wouldn't be surprised if accountants become obsolete too.

Quote: (04-24-2019 08:23 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Automating recruiting is really going to backfire. A company that attracts the worst of the worst through retarded "tools" like HireVue et al. is guaranteed to go under unless it's already a monopoly.

For a big company like Urban Outfitters, you can save more by replacing your hiring system than you'll lose by having bad employees.
Imagine you replaced all your front-facing workers, cashiers, floor workers, at your store, with idiots only do half as good a job, but managed to save 40 million a year by scrapping your standard hiring system.
Even if you're selling slightly less because your salespeople aren't as good, and your customer experience isn't as nice, you're still coming out ahead!

At least, that's how it looks in the presentation, anyway. 5 years later your business closes because the employees are all assholes and no one wants to go there.
But that doesn't show up on a spreadsheet, so who gives a shit?

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1121220963067056130][/url]

Jump to 1:10. Despite that CNN set this up to suck Biden's cock, notice the back to back Yang support from two dramatically different demos (fat 30s black chick, older white dude). The crossover appeal is real, just a matter of Yang getting more attention.

Yang should be at least getting the same amount of news coverage as Pocahontas or Beta.

So Yang has yet to be bought if Biden is being pushed by the people at the top. Are they hoping to knock Yang out early to ensure he doesn't get noticed outside of being just an Asian dude?

I cant wait for CNN to start the hit jobs.

Quote: (04-24-2019 07:25 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

AI and automated hiring is now becoming a thing...

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If you think looking for a job is already daunting, anxiety-riddled, and unpleasant, just wait until the algorithms take over the hiring process. When they do, a newfangled 'digital recruiter' like VCV, which just received $1.7 million in early investment, hopes it will look something like this: First, a search bot will be used to scan CVs by the thousands, yours presumably among them. If it's picked out of the haystack, you will be contacted by a chatbot. Over SMS, the bot will set an appointment for a phone interview, which will be conducted by an automated system enabled by voice recognition AI. Next, the system will ask you, the applicant, to record video responses to a set of predetermined interview questions. Finally, the program can use facial recognition and predictive analytics to complete the screening, algorithmically determining whether the nervousness, mood, and behavior patterns you exhibit make you a fit for the company. If you pass all that, then you will be recommended for an in-person job interview.

[...] VCV, which did not respond to a request for comment, is far from alone here. A growing suite of startups is pitching AI-driven recruitment services, promising to save corporations millions of dollars throughout the hiring process by reducing overhead, to pluck more ideal candidates out of obscurity, and to reduce bias in the hiring process. Most offer little to no evidence of how they actually do so. VCV's much-larger competitor, HireVue, which has raked in a staggering $93 million in funding and is backed by top-tier Silicon Valley venture capital firms like Sequoia, is hocking many of the same services. It counts 700 companies as its clients, including, it says, Urban Outfitters, Intel, Honeywell, and Unilever. AllyO, which was founded in 2015, and "utilizes deep workflow conversational AI to fully automate end to end recruiting workflow" has $19 million in backing.

Christ. Sounds like a nightmare.
If I don't get my Yangbucks maybe I'll go hang out on ilostabet's turnip farm with him.

Still probably better than dealing with Indian staffing firms.

Yang doesn't have a real chance of winning.

Quote: (04-25-2019 01:36 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

So Yang has yet to be bought if Biden is being pushed by the people at the top. Are they hoping to knock Yang out early to ensure he doesn't get noticed outside of being just an Asian dude?

I cant wait for CNN to start the hit jobs.

Where have you been?

They started several weeks ago with the character assassinations with the white nationalist support stuff. It's covered in this thread.

There also has been numerous omissions and non-acknowledgements by the MSM despite being only 1 of 6 candidates to meet the summer debates poll AND donation requirements.

As I said before, I think Biden getting in the race is a good thing since it will force Biden and Sanders to rip each other apart without Yang's intervention. Both have a lot of baggage and Congressional history that they won't be afraid to deploy on each other.

Based on Biden's announcement, he is going to be going down the SJW/identity politics route since he referenced Charlottesville. Bad route for Biden to go down given his past history. This is ammo for Sanders to come in and cut him down with his "wokeness."

In this video, Tim Pool says he is probably writing in Yang even if Biden gets the nomination. He talks about it in the second half of the video and his mindset really describes the "silent democrat" demographic I've mentioned several times before; center-left people who cannot vote for Trump but are absolutely disgusted with the corporate AND SJW/identity politics wings of the democrat party.






If this primary cycle plays out well, Biden will get killed by the activist libtards for his past history (and being an old white male for extra bonus points). In turn, Sanders will lose more appeal among the moderates and silent democrats by going out of his way to appeal to the libtard mobs and either lead or assist in taking down Biden. I personally won't vote for a self-hating white man like Sanders who says dumb shit like "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" or understand what life is like living in a ghetto.

If Sanders just focused on economic issues, he could win the nomination and even beat Trump. But during 2016 and even more since then, he has really embraced the SJW/identity politics bullshit. This is from 2016:






THIS is where Yang comes in with his non-identity politics platform that appeals to the center-left side of the democrat wing AND the center-right folks who are disenfranchised by the GOP and Trump.

The best part of this is that Yang won't have to do much of the work and with his limited war chest and political stature (plus no help really coming from the MSM), a divide and conquer strategy is the best route vs a full head-on attack. In a Biden vs Yang OR Sanders vs Yang battle especially, Yang would have a really big hill to climb.

Instead, he gets to sit back and build his base out slowly over the next 10 months until Iowa and in the meantime, watches the two juggernaut turds kill each other. Both will go into Iowa bruised and battle damaged and looking like dogshit politically speaking.

A somewhat significant X factor is Buttgig in all this. He is getting insane unjustified attention and money and there is some weird overlap between Yang and Buttgig supporters right now; mostly due to ignorance and lack of exposure to Yang's platform on a more extensive level. Aside from Gay Armor, Buttgig is a paperweight substance and and background wise. His record as mayor isn't great from what I understand and he is largely non-committal towards any sort of platform as of now.

If I had to guess what his ulterior motive is right now, it's not to be President. It's to be mayor of Chicago and he knows he needs big outside money, connections, and attention to break through the corrupt Chicago political machine. THEN after a stint as mayor of Chicago, that's when he will seriously run for governor or POTUS. He would also accept being VP I bet as well. Rumor was Biden was giving serious thought to making Fat Pancake Lady Stacy Abrams of Georgia the VP slot but I bet Biden would be happy settling for a corporate whore management consult fag to get his virtue signaling points in and appease the activist libtards.

Probably will be a pretty quiet next two months for Yang. I wouldn't expect any real major jump in the polls with Biden/Sanders/Buttgig sucking up all the attention. As long as Yang doesn't lose what little base he has built up and goes reverse in the polls, everything is on the up and up as of now.

It's really fascinating that Tucker Carlson loves Andrew Yang

As I’ve mentioned in other threads, since I don’t have a TV at home, when I visit my in-laws, who always have the TV on (and usually it’s news) I make sure to check out what garbage the mainstream is peddling now.

So yesterday, which was a national holiday in Portugal celebrating the Carnation ‘Revolution’, which sold out our country to the rootless cosmopolitan cabal (but I digress), I go to my in-laws for dinner and, sure enough, the news is on. Outside of the celebrations of the event, the main news is about Biden running for the presidency to defeat the evil Trump and going through all of his ‘achievements’ so far – a lot of footage and none where he is inappropriately touching anyone (must have been difficult). Then they proceed to go through most of the other candidates: empowered light-black woman, old jewish communist, fake indian grandma, army veteran butt-pirate (they were especially enthusiastic about this one) and some others which I don’t even remember. Guess who they didn’t even show?

I’m not a fan of Yang but even here they are supressing him. This tells me that, for one reason or another, he is not aligned with the cabal’s interests. If he becomes a real threat I guess I’ll start seeing some hit pieces on my weekly in-law dinner. I wonder if this is the same in other western countries. Maybe some of you who live this side of the Atlantic can report back.

So just from the videos on this page of this thread alone, we have real evidence of real cross-appeal that Yang has--a fat 30s black woman, an older white man, a late 20s something mixed white/Asian dude, and upper middle class white dude Tucker Carlson. Not to mention the coalition of Libertarians/Repubs/Dems/Libs/Conservatives that support him online and the thousands that have gone to his rallies. It is encouraging.

Quote: (04-26-2019 02:09 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

It's really fascinating that Tucker Carlson loves Andrew Yang

Wow, is all cable news like that clip? There was so... little information.
It was 5 minutes and it felt like all I got out of it was 5 sentences.

@ Blackknight.

Sanders the geriatric millionaire socialist is going to bring heat to Biden? I'll believe it when I see it but Biden has been tested on the stage, ol' Sanders hasn't.

Biden is being pushed by the swamp, Sanders is just a ploy and Yank is already being sidelined which is why I say he isn't bought - yet.

Quote: (04-26-2019 09:09 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Wow, is all cable news like that clip? There was so... little information.
It was 5 minutes and it felt like all I got out of it was 5 sentences.

That's cable news half the time. The other half the time people are screaming at each other.

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I like the self-awareness.

Real talk though, is there a lobby that would support Yang?

Maybe the unions like AFLCIO?