Based on your personal experience how much bearing does Hypergamy have regarding female infidelity?
Do you think that's a key factor or incidental?
Do you think that's a key factor or incidental?
Is Hypergamy the primary cause of female infidelity?
Not much in my experience. It tends to be much more related to circumstances (co-workers forced to spend a lot of time together often build an attraction for example), or opportunistic (for example she's on holiday and some bloke is in the right time at the right place and nobody will find out).
Incidental really, happiness is till the biggest factor...but it does make them braver to leave you and certainly helps them to move on a lot faster
Yes, in my experience. Usually, it is the cause but far from always, it is this the case in my opinion.
When a woman cheats, she has usually already checked out from the relationship on an emotional level. She then starts to look around for another mate.
It's more hypergamy based.
Then there's also the opportunistic type of cheating. If you're for example in a long distance relationship, she might value you as a better guy than the one she's cheating with you with but since she's horny and there's only a small risk you'll find out, she'll go along with it anyway. Or she might go on a business trip and become seduced for a moment under the influence of alcohol.
Many betas live for these opportunities and can orbit around the girl for years for that ONE opportunity of sex. I believe that's why it's often preached around here that it is a red flag/dealbreaker with a girl who has a lot of guy friends.
Even if you and her consider them to be weaker men, you shouldn't underestimate women's impulsiveness, especially under the influence of alcohol and the level of male thirst and to what extent some men are willing to humiliate themselves just for some poon.
When a woman cheats, she has usually already checked out from the relationship on an emotional level. She then starts to look around for another mate.
It's more hypergamy based.
Then there's also the opportunistic type of cheating. If you're for example in a long distance relationship, she might value you as a better guy than the one she's cheating with you with but since she's horny and there's only a small risk you'll find out, she'll go along with it anyway. Or she might go on a business trip and become seduced for a moment under the influence of alcohol.
Many betas live for these opportunities and can orbit around the girl for years for that ONE opportunity of sex. I believe that's why it's often preached around here that it is a red flag/dealbreaker with a girl who has a lot of guy friends.
Even if you and her consider them to be weaker men, you shouldn't underestimate women's impulsiveness, especially under the influence of alcohol and the level of male thirst and to what extent some men are willing to humiliate themselves just for some poon.
If you understand hypergamy in the socioeconomic sense, not really. If you include the more animalistic instinctive sense, absolutely.
Probably mostly, but not entirely, because girls don't always cheat "up"
The primary cause of female infidelity in the modern era is the contraceptive Pill.
Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
Both genders sexual strategies are the driving force for their mating behaviors, and they are hard wired deep in the layers of the brain, and influence all aspects of how social, real world interactions are carried out.
Every behavior, decision and motivation both men and women have is driven by these hard wired sexual strategies.
You get an example when a hot young women in a bikini walks past you - what do you feel?
Every behavior, decision and motivation both men and women have is driven by these hard wired sexual strategies.
You get an example when a hot young women in a bikini walks past you - what do you feel?
If you'll forgive the broad strokes, I'd say that divorce is caused by hypergamy, while cheating is caused by lust and opportunity.
In the case of the former, they've lost interest in the relationship; they're ready to move on, and will usually monkey-branch (find another guy) before jumping ship. These days - in a world which undermines men at every opportunity, denies them male spaces, and tells them they should be sensitive - this is because you acted weak and she's grown disgusted with you. Leaving you may involve cheating, but it's the choice to leave the came first.
In the second instance, she just wanted to get banged out. She's not planning to leave you, though she's not exactly head over heels for you, either.
In the case of the former, they've lost interest in the relationship; they're ready to move on, and will usually monkey-branch (find another guy) before jumping ship. These days - in a world which undermines men at every opportunity, denies them male spaces, and tells them they should be sensitive - this is because you acted weak and she's grown disgusted with you. Leaving you may involve cheating, but it's the choice to leave the came first.
In the second instance, she just wanted to get banged out. She's not planning to leave you, though she's not exactly head over heels for you, either.
Quote: (02-18-2019 04:44 PM)Aurini Wrote:
If you'll forgive the broad strokes, I'd say that divorce is caused by hypergamy, while cheating is caused by lust and opportunity.
In the case of the former, they've lost interest in the relationship; they're ready to move on, and will usually monkey-branch (find another guy) before jumping ship. These days - in a world which undermines men at every opportunity, denies them male spaces, and tells them they should be sensitive - this is because you acted weak and she's grown disgusted with you. Leaving you may involve cheating, but it's the choice to leave the came first.
In the second instance, she just wanted to get banged out. She's not planning to leave you, though she's not exactly head over heels for you, either.
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I think Aruni nailed it - they are related but not always concurrent. It bears remembering that there would be a lot less infidelity no matter what if both the pill and penicillin did not exist.
If there were still shame, which came from a community that always had eyes on women capable of cheating, marketable women would have to choose between a fling and hypergamy. Given the risks, hypergamy would usually win.
Rollo Tomassi remarked many times that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy. When given the choice of accepting the burden of an unplanned pregnancy or keeping their options open, a substantial number of women choose the latter and flush their baby down the toilet. They figure they no longer have to get stuck with the spawn of some guy who can't take them where they want to go.
Add to this the significant occurrence of married women who cheat, get knocked up then get an abortion, with or without the husband knowing. Some of them just brought the Chad's baby to term, husband none the wiser - or so they thought. The advent of commercially available DNA testing products is causing a lot of this subversive reproductive strategy to unravel as we speak.
Good to finally see them all get hoisted by their own Silicon Valley-loving petard.
If there were still shame, which came from a community that always had eyes on women capable of cheating, marketable women would have to choose between a fling and hypergamy. Given the risks, hypergamy would usually win.
Rollo Tomassi remarked many times that abortion is the ultimate expression of hypergamy. When given the choice of accepting the burden of an unplanned pregnancy or keeping their options open, a substantial number of women choose the latter and flush their baby down the toilet. They figure they no longer have to get stuck with the spawn of some guy who can't take them where they want to go.
Add to this the significant occurrence of married women who cheat, get knocked up then get an abortion, with or without the husband knowing. Some of them just brought the Chad's baby to term, husband none the wiser - or so they thought. The advent of commercially available DNA testing products is causing a lot of this subversive reproductive strategy to unravel as we speak.
Good to finally see them all get hoisted by their own Silicon Valley-loving petard.
To add to what I said: I think the bigger problem posed by hypergamy (in the modern context) is not her leaving you for somebody with bigger items in his pants (balls, wallet, etc) - the problem is her never settling down in the first place.
First - as I addressed in the previous post, but worth expanding upon - men are systemically disempowered, while women are systemically empowered (note that both connotate outside forces imbuing/stealing power - empowered women did not earn their power in any way, it was given to them for 'free' by those who have true power). Men have various threats hanging over their head, and have to figuratively tape their dick between their butt cheeks so as to not inadvertently offend a special snowflake with displays of 'toxic masculinity'. These take the form of HR departments, Sexual Harassment lectures, negative media depictions, divorce theft, domestic violence law, et cetera: the system is hostile to men, and you have to burn up life energy defending yourself from these negative possibilities. Women, meanwhile, have their status boosted by hiring quotas, sympathetic HR/legal systems, female-exclusive clubs and scholarships, and a culture which excuses much of their bad behaviour.
The result of this: men's status is effectively lowered, while women's is raised. We've all become the blue collar schlub trying to win over the upper-class princess. Hypergamy says this is a bad pairing, and she should find someone of her own level: but when 90% of guys have been turned into schulbs, and 90% of women have been turned into princesses, there aren't enough Prince Charmings to go around.
So: women wait for a Prince Charming who will never appear.
The second reason hypergamy is causing problems: women are constantly inundated with options. The early version of this was the gossip rags sold at grocery store checkout aisles (brief aside: I'm pretty sure calumny and gossip far more damnable sins than anything directly caused by lust). Women (and a few men) began obsessing over the lives of meaningless celebrities, and judging their local circumstances by the glamourous depictions of Hollywood (glamour being a word which means 'deceptive magic spell'). Advance it twenty years, add in constant connections through Smart Phones, and FOMO has become the new way of life. Somewhere there's somebody doing something more interesting, something cooler, something more important, than your boring life...
...funny though, whenever you show up to attend one of these FOMO events, it's usually pretty disappointing... huh, must have been better last year...
Everybody is a Coachella slut: paying tens of thousands of dollars to attend a music festival where they're too busy taking selfies to enjoy the music. Because of FOMO.
So that chick you're talking to? You're not competing against the other guys in the bar. You're competing against the airbrushed picture of a celebrity whose life is never ending excitement. She's so inundated with the glamour, that she can't see what's right in front of her.
So she waits... and she waits... and she waits... occasionally she gets banged out by Chad, maybe she even dates him for a while, but unless he's a 9 or a 10, he's one of the blue collar schlubs who's beneath her status, and she'll eventually break up with him, because Prince Charming is right around the corner...
You know that chart saying that women thought 80% of men were below average? I somehow don't think we'd have quite such a disparate rating system if we took that test in the 1950s. I suspect the women of the time would look around at the men in their community - and hey, sure, he's no Clark Gable, but he's been running that hardware store for 15 years, and he knows his way around an engine. 6/10.
First - as I addressed in the previous post, but worth expanding upon - men are systemically disempowered, while women are systemically empowered (note that both connotate outside forces imbuing/stealing power - empowered women did not earn their power in any way, it was given to them for 'free' by those who have true power). Men have various threats hanging over their head, and have to figuratively tape their dick between their butt cheeks so as to not inadvertently offend a special snowflake with displays of 'toxic masculinity'. These take the form of HR departments, Sexual Harassment lectures, negative media depictions, divorce theft, domestic violence law, et cetera: the system is hostile to men, and you have to burn up life energy defending yourself from these negative possibilities. Women, meanwhile, have their status boosted by hiring quotas, sympathetic HR/legal systems, female-exclusive clubs and scholarships, and a culture which excuses much of their bad behaviour.
The result of this: men's status is effectively lowered, while women's is raised. We've all become the blue collar schlub trying to win over the upper-class princess. Hypergamy says this is a bad pairing, and she should find someone of her own level: but when 90% of guys have been turned into schulbs, and 90% of women have been turned into princesses, there aren't enough Prince Charmings to go around.
So: women wait for a Prince Charming who will never appear.
The second reason hypergamy is causing problems: women are constantly inundated with options. The early version of this was the gossip rags sold at grocery store checkout aisles (brief aside: I'm pretty sure calumny and gossip far more damnable sins than anything directly caused by lust). Women (and a few men) began obsessing over the lives of meaningless celebrities, and judging their local circumstances by the glamourous depictions of Hollywood (glamour being a word which means 'deceptive magic spell'). Advance it twenty years, add in constant connections through Smart Phones, and FOMO has become the new way of life. Somewhere there's somebody doing something more interesting, something cooler, something more important, than your boring life...
...funny though, whenever you show up to attend one of these FOMO events, it's usually pretty disappointing... huh, must have been better last year...
Everybody is a Coachella slut: paying tens of thousands of dollars to attend a music festival where they're too busy taking selfies to enjoy the music. Because of FOMO.
So that chick you're talking to? You're not competing against the other guys in the bar. You're competing against the airbrushed picture of a celebrity whose life is never ending excitement. She's so inundated with the glamour, that she can't see what's right in front of her.
So she waits... and she waits... and she waits... occasionally she gets banged out by Chad, maybe she even dates him for a while, but unless he's a 9 or a 10, he's one of the blue collar schlubs who's beneath her status, and she'll eventually break up with him, because Prince Charming is right around the corner...
You know that chart saying that women thought 80% of men were below average? I somehow don't think we'd have quite such a disparate rating system if we took that test in the 1950s. I suspect the women of the time would look around at the men in their community - and hey, sure, he's no Clark Gable, but he's been running that hardware store for 15 years, and he knows his way around an engine. 6/10.
I'm going to say that there's no longer a social stigma to infidelity - or a least it's greatly reduced. 50 years ago, a cheating woman would be a social outcast. And, if it led to divorce, she'd walk away poor with no massive payday or ongoing support.
Today, a woman's infidelity is often celebrated - she's finally being "true to herself". And, if she starts dating the cheating partner after a divorce, then she's "living her best life", she's "so much happier", etc. and she gets plenty of money to piss away on herself.
Everything is designed to destroy families.
Today, a woman's infidelity is often celebrated - she's finally being "true to herself". And, if she starts dating the cheating partner after a divorce, then she's "living her best life", she's "so much happier", etc. and she gets plenty of money to piss away on herself.
Everything is designed to destroy families.
Quote: (02-19-2019 02:24 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:
I'm going to say that there's no longer a social stigma to infidelity - or a least it's greatly reduced. 50 years ago, a cheating woman would be a social outcast. And, if it led to divorce, she'd walk away poor with no massive payday or ongoing support.
Today, a woman's infidelity is often celebrated - she's finally being "true to herself". And, if she starts dating the cheating partner after a divorce, then she's "living her best life", she's "so much happier", etc. and she gets plenty of money to piss away on herself.
Everything is designed to destroy families.
Why does a dog lick it's balls?
Because it can.
If she is bored and has defeated her man who is no longer a challenge.
Or she looking for a fling before she marries.
There is also this...... imagine you as a dude get hit on by hot chicks 2 or 3 points above you all the time with offers of no holes barred sex..you reckon you will fall?
If they can get away with it they will do it.
Or she looking for a fling before she marries.
There is also this...... imagine you as a dude get hit on by hot chicks 2 or 3 points above you all the time with offers of no holes barred sex..you reckon you will fall?
If they can get away with it they will do it.
Just throwing out an example - there is this girl I know through friends of friends...she's at least an 8, possibly a 9...ex-cheerleader, just a stunner ...she is a nursing student and is dating a 29 year old doctor. (presumably met through work) I've met the guy at a party and he is good looking and in great shape. He is your classic "catch" that girls all say they want "on paper"
So her friends are talking about her and saying how she is really going off the rails, she is doing an excessive amount of hard drugs, and is cheating on her boyfriend with this guy from high school that works at the local pizza shop. I've met this guy as well, and he's about 5'6 - 5'7" and scrawny....not bad looking, but just on looks alone, the doctor guy is better......not even to mention the fact that he is a doctor and the other guy works at a pizza shop........obviously there are a ton of variables to this situation that I don't know, but on the surface it is interesting to me.
Some girls are just dumb and dumb girls do illogical things - don't try to put logic to it
Although as a general rule, a girl in a happy relationship will not cheat on the guy she is with, no matter who it is that is propositioning her - as illustrated in this hilarious Patrice O Neal bit - RIP
So her friends are talking about her and saying how she is really going off the rails, she is doing an excessive amount of hard drugs, and is cheating on her boyfriend with this guy from high school that works at the local pizza shop. I've met this guy as well, and he's about 5'6 - 5'7" and scrawny....not bad looking, but just on looks alone, the doctor guy is better......not even to mention the fact that he is a doctor and the other guy works at a pizza shop........obviously there are a ton of variables to this situation that I don't know, but on the surface it is interesting to me.
Some girls are just dumb and dumb girls do illogical things - don't try to put logic to it
Although as a general rule, a girl in a happy relationship will not cheat on the guy she is with, no matter who it is that is propositioning her - as illustrated in this hilarious Patrice O Neal bit - RIP
Girls cheat simple as that. A man USUALLY cheats just cause they want some pussy but throughout my life of having bs female friends, women cheat for
1. Their bf made them mad
2. Their friend cheated and got away with it
3 their friend cheated and felt bad so she did it too so she wouldn’t
4. Their friend talked about something that was missing in their relationship
5. She saw a movie about cheating and wanted to feel the excitement
6. Boyfriend wasn’t_____enough
7. She was REALLY horny and her bf was at work
8. The “foood guy” actually came in.
9.her personal trainer touched the right spot
10. She had a dream you cheated so she cheated out of revenge*
11. I was bored and asked my friend to come over (my favorite)
12. My bf is too perfect, I gotta spice it up a little (happened to me way way way back in the day)
13. He wanted a 3 some so I had to go out to practice, he never said it had to be a girl (this one actually ruined our relationship, I despised her after she said that. Even though I hated her boyfriend)
14.nostalgia (which is a huge one)
15. “It was just head chill out”
16. U can’t expect it to be only you forever (happened to me sadly)
I’ve heard more reasons to cheat. These are just reasons girls told me personally or my female friends told me while venting.
I used to be a believer of hypergamt (I still pretty much do) but women simply like cheating it seems.
1. Their bf made them mad
2. Their friend cheated and got away with it
3 their friend cheated and felt bad so she did it too so she wouldn’t
4. Their friend talked about something that was missing in their relationship
5. She saw a movie about cheating and wanted to feel the excitement
6. Boyfriend wasn’t_____enough
7. She was REALLY horny and her bf was at work
8. The “foood guy” actually came in.
9.her personal trainer touched the right spot
10. She had a dream you cheated so she cheated out of revenge*
11. I was bored and asked my friend to come over (my favorite)
12. My bf is too perfect, I gotta spice it up a little (happened to me way way way back in the day)
13. He wanted a 3 some so I had to go out to practice, he never said it had to be a girl (this one actually ruined our relationship, I despised her after she said that. Even though I hated her boyfriend)
14.nostalgia (which is a huge one)
15. “It was just head chill out”
16. U can’t expect it to be only you forever (happened to me sadly)
I’ve heard more reasons to cheat. These are just reasons girls told me personally or my female friends told me while venting.
I used to be a believer of hypergamt (I still pretty much do) but women simply like cheating it seems.
Quote: (02-19-2019 10:37 AM)whatitdowhatitdoes Wrote:
Although as a general rule, a girl in a happy relationship will not cheat on the guy she is with, no matter who it is that is propositioning her - as illustrated in this hilarious Patrice O Neal bit - RIP
"Is that how you treat all the fish????"
I'm dead. DEAD. RIP me.
Quote: (02-19-2019 10:37 AM)whatitdowhatitdoes Wrote:
So her friends are talking about her and saying how she is really going off the rails, she is doing an excessive amount of hard drugs, and is cheating on her boyfriend with this guy from high school that works at the local pizza shop. I've met this guy as well, and he's about 5'6 - 5'7" and scrawny....not bad looking, but just on looks alone, the doctor guy is better......not even to mention the fact that he is a doctor and the other guy works at a pizza shop........obviously there are a ton of variables to this situation that I don't know, but on the surface it is interesting to me.
Some girls are just dumb and dumb girls do illogical things - don't try to put logic to it
Chicks will usually fuck the guy giving them free drugs. Sadly, drug game works.
Quote: (02-19-2019 01:48 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:Not only that but it's the easiest game. A pure 10 will give it up to a 4-6 if the drugs are good and free. Not fulfilling in my opinion.
Quote: (02-19-2019 10:37 AM)whatitdowhatitdoes Wrote:
So her friends are talking about her and saying how she is really going off the rails, she is doing an excessive amount of hard drugs, and is cheating on her boyfriend with this guy from high school that works at the local pizza shop. I've met this guy as well, and he's about 5'6 - 5'7" and scrawny....not bad looking, but just on looks alone, the doctor guy is better......not even to mention the fact that he is a doctor and the other guy works at a pizza shop........obviously there are a ton of variables to this situation that I don't know, but on the surface it is interesting to me.
Some girls are just dumb and dumb girls do illogical things - don't try to put logic to it
Chicks will usually fuck the guy giving them free drugs. Sadly, drug game works.
Quote: (02-19-2019 11:23 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:
I’ve heard more reasons to cheat. These are just reasons girls told me personally...
Good lord, I hope that doesn't mean you got cheated on often.
Quote:Quote:Female friend sounds an awful lot like emotional tampon. Stop that shit the second it starts - gets you nowhere & actually reduces your value.
...or my female friends told me while venting.
I’m good now ever since I’ve joined this site I cut a bunch of that type of stuff out. I’ve been much happier actually.
My last female friend completely deleted me out her life because I sent her “hey I’m
Not mad at all but you texted me at the worst possibly time lol”. She texted me while I was with my girlfriend and my girlfriend got extremely mad and jealous. My friend got upset over that and I haven’t heard from her since. So I’m good now.
My last female friend completely deleted me out her life because I sent her “hey I’m
Not mad at all but you texted me at the worst possibly time lol”. She texted me while I was with my girlfriend and my girlfriend got extremely mad and jealous. My friend got upset over that and I haven’t heard from her since. So I’m good now.
Question for guys who have fooled around with attached women.
When you start sleeping with them how often do these women try to monkey-branch to you and leave their current partner?
When you start sleeping with them how often do these women try to monkey-branch to you and leave their current partner?
Most women i've known usually try to juggle multiple guys and put each in a category
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