It's cheap because it's in a dull region of the USA
Chicago
Thanks guys, good to know those rates are deflated due to winter so I don't have expectations mixed up. I am trying to sublease but during summer, so we'll see what happens, maybe someone needs to bail on their lease a few months early and I can catch a good deal. I'm not going to have my first pick in neighborhood so I'm going to have to look in a broad area. Can you guys help me list every neighborhood worth living in for someone in their 20s?
I know Near South-Side up to Lakeview is pretty good and that all the southsides are murdery, but that's the extent of my knowledge.
Also in LA, it doesn't seem like women care too much if a mid 20s dude has housemates, do you think women in Chicago expect you to have your own place?
![[Image: 1125px-Chicago_neighborhoods_map.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Chicago_neighborhoods_map.png/1125px-Chicago_neighborhoods_map.png)
I know Near South-Side up to Lakeview is pretty good and that all the southsides are murdery, but that's the extent of my knowledge.
Also in LA, it doesn't seem like women care too much if a mid 20s dude has housemates, do you think women in Chicago expect you to have your own place?
Subleases are easy to shift and hard to get in the summer.
It’s not uncommon for mid 20s guys to have roommates.
Best areas: Lincoln Park, Near North, River North, Old Town, Wicker Park, Lakeview.
If you are looking for something a little cheaper but still good, Logan Square is solid.
It’s not uncommon for mid 20s guys to have roommates.
Best areas: Lincoln Park, Near North, River North, Old Town, Wicker Park, Lakeview.
If you are looking for something a little cheaper but still good, Logan Square is solid.
Quote: (01-21-2019 01:37 PM)GoingHAM20 Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2019 01:14 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2019 04:43 AM)forgottenowl Wrote:
Considering moving to Chicago. Could these be scams or is this really rent outside of california?
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sub/d...67555.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sub/d...66222.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sub/d...56505.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sub/d...10331.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sub/d...19055.html
Correct me if I'm wrong (other folks in the forum), but Chicago's COL isn't dramatically different from parts of Southern California. Now compared to the Bay Area, on the other hand, it is a straight up bargain.
Chicago is quite a bit cheaper than LA and SD. The disparity really comes into play when it comes to transportation (i.e., walking/taking public transit vs. car/insurance/gas/maintenance).
That being said, $1,000/month for a 1BR in Streeterville is insane. Normally, studios start at $1,400 in Streeterville and 1BRs start at a little under $2,000.
At the same time, according to that posting, the guy is subletting his apartment. With how horrifically cold it is in Chicago right now and the demand to live there in the winter being low, it is possible that the guy significantly lowered the price.
FWIW, Streeterville is the best neighborhood to live in Chicago, alongside the Gold Coast. The GC is slightly cheaper since it's slightly further from the Loop.
If you like Streeterville & the Gold Coast, then you have to factor in River North as well IMO. Also a hot spot right in the middle of a lot of action. You can walk from Streeterville to River North since they are neighboring districts in the city.
Quote: (01-21-2019 06:10 PM)forgottenowl Wrote:
Thanks guys, good to know those rates are deflated due to winter so I don't have expectations mixed up. I am trying to sublease but during summer, so we'll see what happens, maybe someone needs to bail on their lease a few months early and I can catch a good deal. I'm not going to have my first pick in neighborhood so I'm going to have to look in a broad area. Can you guys help me list every neighborhood worth living in for someone in their 20s?
I know Near South-Side up to Lakeview is pretty good and that all the southsides are murdery, but that's the extent of my knowledge.
Also in LA, it doesn't seem like women care too much if a mid 20s dude has housemates, do you think women in Chicago expect you to have your own place?
Like NY or LA it is perfectly acceptable for a guy in his 20's (in Chicago) to have roommates. You'd be good. Just make sure that you're compatible with said roommates.
When all factors including cost are considered, I think Chicago is easily the best city to live in in America.
Yes, winters are arctic cold. They are in NYC too. And Miami, LA etc have some huge drawbacks that are worse than a cold winter IMO.
A great city.
Yes, winters are arctic cold. They are in NYC too. And Miami, LA etc have some huge drawbacks that are worse than a cold winter IMO.
A great city.
Anyone got any insights regarding Fulton Market.
Something that’s not punch bowl social, the mid, federales or a restaurant (been there, done that)
Looking for something with a DJ. DM me if u got something
Something that’s not punch bowl social, the mid, federales or a restaurant (been there, done that)
Looking for something with a DJ. DM me if u got something
Aba is great during theSummer, not sure how it is now. Blind Barber and Soho House are the other two spots worth hitting.
Quote: (01-22-2019 10:12 PM)jbkunt2 Wrote:
When all factors including cost are considered, I think Chicago is easily the best city to live in in America.
Yes, winters are arctic cold. They are in NYC too. And Miami, LA etc have some huge drawbacks that are worse than a cold winter IMO.
A great city.
It is the best city in America. Proof: You never hear someone say "I hate Chicago", not the way you hear people say "I hate NY" or "I hate LA".
I lived in LA for a long time before moving to Chicago. Both places have their pros, but the cons of Chicago are both fewer and weaker than the cons of SoCal. For example, I like a month or two of winter every year, as long as it doesn't drag on for too long. Change of seasons is important and not to be devalued.
I never regret coming here and don't want to leave.
I’m debating renting out or selling my condo in Logan to move back to River North.
Logan is dire for talent. The place is real nice though and I’ll have to throw down big money to get anything close in RN.
I wish Old Town had some new high rises.
Logan is dire for talent. The place is real nice though and I’ll have to throw down big money to get anything close in RN.
I wish Old Town had some new high rises.
I thought this article (below) might be appropriate. Chicago is rapidly changing and becoming a lot more lower-income. Apparently, it used to have lots of middle-income people, but it has turned into a city of haves and have nots. It seems illegal immigration is partly to blame for this. I live in Los Angeles and we have experienced a more extreme version of what this article describes, whereby the vast majority of the city is comprised of lower-income neighborhoods (primarily Hispanic and/or illegal immigrant). When most people discuss "Los Angeles" they're really talking about small pockets or sections of the city where the neighborhoods and demographics are more upper-class (which in our city's case happens to be largely White). I think the same can be said of Chicago.
While my career prospects are likely to put me into the category of "upper-class professional," I don't see the gradual shrinkage of the middle-class to be a good thing for everyone else in our country.
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Link to the Breitbart article
Study: Chicago’s Middle Class ‘Almost Gone,’ Majority Either Rich or Poor
25 Feb 2019
The middle class in Chicago, Illinois is “almost gone,” new research finds, as the vast majority of residents are either wealthy professionals or working-class residents living paycheck to paycheck.
Research by the Voorhies Center chronicled the near six-decade shrinking of Chicago’s middle class, which is close to nonexistent today, as corporate developers and multinational conglomerates continue dominating metropolises across the U.S. — forcing middle class residents out.
For instance, in 1970, middle income residents made up about half of Chicago, while about 42 percent of residents were either poor or working class and less than ten percent were considered wealthy.
Fast forward to 2017 and Chicago is made up primarily of working class or poor residents, 62 percent, and more than 20 percent are wealthy professionals. The middle class makes up only 16 percent of the city’s population today.
![[Image: Screen-Shot-2019-02-25-at-6.30.17-PM.png]](https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/02/Screen-Shot-2019-02-25-at-6.30.17-PM.png)
A map of the drastic middle class exodus of Chicago depicts a city where wealthy high income earners are concentrated in the downtown, skyscraper neighborhood, while mostly poor and working class residents make up almost all of the rest of the surrounding areas.
“We have two cities,” co-director of the Voorhees Center for at the University of Illinois at Chicago Janet Smith told WBEZ. “We have the rich and we have the poor.”
A majority of neighborhoods in Chicago that were once considered middle class in 1970 are now poor or working class neighborhoods, an economic change that has been coupled with rapid demographic changes primarily driven by the country’s mass legal immigration.
Today, more than 20 percent of Chicago’s population is foreign-born.
Harry Meyer, who grew up in the Gage Park neighborhood, told WBEZ that when he lived in the area in the 1970s it was 95 percent a white middle class neighborhood. By the 1990s, the demography of the neighborhood drastically changed from mostly white middle class residents to poorer Mexican immigrant residents, Meyer said.
“It went from 95 percent white to 95 percent Mexican in that 10-year period,” Meyer said.
Indeed, mass illegal immigration — where many times more than a million illegal aliens arrived in the country every year — dominated the 1990s and thus demographically changed the makeup of many middle class regions of the country in a very short period of time.
At the same time, former President George H.W. Bush expanded legal immigration levels at the pleasure of Wall Street, corporate developers, the big business lobby, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — all of which have profited greatly from the policy’s redistribution of wealth from middle class Americans to the wealthiest of earners.
“When you go back to 1970, the areas that are considered middle income — those were basically white,” demographer Rob Paral told WBEZ.
![[Image: Screen-Shot-2019-02-25-at-6.30.00-PM.png]](https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/02/Screen-Shot-2019-02-25-at-6.30.00-PM.png)
Chicago is not alone in its income inequality. Other metropolis cities, like San Francisco, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Washington, D.C., have all become havens for the rich-poor economic gap.
Researchers have said New York City, for example, is losing about 100 middle class residents every day as the city’s population booms — primarily because of immigration — and real estate becomes increasingly expensive.
In the 1970s, middle class New Yorkers made up about 61 percent of the city’s population. Today, that middle income population has shrunk to less than 50 percent.
As Breitbart News has chronicled, between 1979 and 2017, the wages of the country’s bottom 90 percent — poor, working class, and middle class U.S. workers — have grown by only 22 percent. Meanwhile, the country’s top one percent — the wealthiest of Americans — have seen their salaries grow 155 percent over that same period and the top 0.01 percent saw their wages grow 343 percent. This means that the billionaire class has seen more than 15 times the wage growth since 1979 of the working and middle class.
John Binder is a reporter for Breitbart News. Follow him on Twitter at @JxhnBinder.
While my career prospects are likely to put me into the category of "upper-class professional," I don't see the gradual shrinkage of the middle-class to be a good thing for everyone else in our country.
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Link to the Breitbart article
Study: Chicago’s Middle Class ‘Almost Gone,’ Majority Either Rich or Poor
25 Feb 2019
The middle class in Chicago, Illinois is “almost gone,” new research finds, as the vast majority of residents are either wealthy professionals or working-class residents living paycheck to paycheck.
Research by the Voorhies Center chronicled the near six-decade shrinking of Chicago’s middle class, which is close to nonexistent today, as corporate developers and multinational conglomerates continue dominating metropolises across the U.S. — forcing middle class residents out.
For instance, in 1970, middle income residents made up about half of Chicago, while about 42 percent of residents were either poor or working class and less than ten percent were considered wealthy.
Fast forward to 2017 and Chicago is made up primarily of working class or poor residents, 62 percent, and more than 20 percent are wealthy professionals. The middle class makes up only 16 percent of the city’s population today.
A map of the drastic middle class exodus of Chicago depicts a city where wealthy high income earners are concentrated in the downtown, skyscraper neighborhood, while mostly poor and working class residents make up almost all of the rest of the surrounding areas.
“We have two cities,” co-director of the Voorhees Center for at the University of Illinois at Chicago Janet Smith told WBEZ. “We have the rich and we have the poor.”
A majority of neighborhoods in Chicago that were once considered middle class in 1970 are now poor or working class neighborhoods, an economic change that has been coupled with rapid demographic changes primarily driven by the country’s mass legal immigration.
Today, more than 20 percent of Chicago’s population is foreign-born.
Harry Meyer, who grew up in the Gage Park neighborhood, told WBEZ that when he lived in the area in the 1970s it was 95 percent a white middle class neighborhood. By the 1990s, the demography of the neighborhood drastically changed from mostly white middle class residents to poorer Mexican immigrant residents, Meyer said.
“It went from 95 percent white to 95 percent Mexican in that 10-year period,” Meyer said.
Indeed, mass illegal immigration — where many times more than a million illegal aliens arrived in the country every year — dominated the 1990s and thus demographically changed the makeup of many middle class regions of the country in a very short period of time.
At the same time, former President George H.W. Bush expanded legal immigration levels at the pleasure of Wall Street, corporate developers, the big business lobby, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — all of which have profited greatly from the policy’s redistribution of wealth from middle class Americans to the wealthiest of earners.
“When you go back to 1970, the areas that are considered middle income — those were basically white,” demographer Rob Paral told WBEZ.
Chicago is not alone in its income inequality. Other metropolis cities, like San Francisco, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Washington, D.C., have all become havens for the rich-poor economic gap.
Researchers have said New York City, for example, is losing about 100 middle class residents every day as the city’s population booms — primarily because of immigration — and real estate becomes increasingly expensive.
In the 1970s, middle class New Yorkers made up about 61 percent of the city’s population. Today, that middle income population has shrunk to less than 50 percent.
As Breitbart News has chronicled, between 1979 and 2017, the wages of the country’s bottom 90 percent — poor, working class, and middle class U.S. workers — have grown by only 22 percent. Meanwhile, the country’s top one percent — the wealthiest of Americans — have seen their salaries grow 155 percent over that same period and the top 0.01 percent saw their wages grow 343 percent. This means that the billionaire class has seen more than 15 times the wage growth since 1979 of the working and middle class.
John Binder is a reporter for Breitbart News. Follow him on Twitter at @JxhnBinder.
I think that article is typical Breitbart sensationlist bullshit.
The Northside of Chicago is possibly the most economically segregated city area in America.
You can go a few miles without seeing so much as a slightly scruffy house or building.
Come to NYC where I am right now and you will see a LOT of lower income people everywhere. That simple is NOT the case downtown, Near West and Northside Chicago (bar Uptown and Rogers Park).
The Northside of Chicago is possibly the most economically segregated city area in America.
You can go a few miles without seeing so much as a slightly scruffy house or building.
Come to NYC where I am right now and you will see a LOT of lower income people everywhere. That simple is NOT the case downtown, Near West and Northside Chicago (bar Uptown and Rogers Park).
Anyone recommend a decent Thursday night spot in the spring/summer?
I love going out on Thursdays but often find places to be dead/sausage fests.
I love going out on Thursdays but often find places to be dead/sausage fests.
Well what you are saying isn't contradicted by the map of the city (color-coded by income). Actually, the north side has gotten much more dark blue (=very high income) over the past few decades. So it seems like the North side of town is probably what people on this forum have been raving about.
@Frank - Yes, fair point.
That blue area is actually a very big area. That map really sprawls many miles.
That blue area is actually a very big area. That map really sprawls many miles.
The city of Chicago has lost many of its middle-class white families and basically ALL of its middle-class black families. (They went to Atlanta.)
I live here.
PS. jbkunt2, there are plenty of lower income people all over the city. They work in every neighborhood even if they don't live there.
I live here.
PS. jbkunt2, there are plenty of lower income people all over the city. They work in every neighborhood even if they don't live there.
Thursday spots probably federales, bottled blonde, and/or hangge up
The apartment in Lincoln Park if you like latinas
The apartment in Lincoln Park if you like latinas
That Breitbart article is fairly accurate.
Come to Lincoln Park, Lakeview, The Gold Coast, Streeterville, River North, and the New East Side part of The Loop. Very wealthy and very white. The Gold Coast and Streeterville are downtown living at their finest. Pristine, beautiful, safe, and right next to Lake Michigan and the Mag Mile.
Come to Lincoln Park, Lakeview, The Gold Coast, Streeterville, River North, and the New East Side part of The Loop. Very wealthy and very white. The Gold Coast and Streeterville are downtown living at their finest. Pristine, beautiful, safe, and right next to Lake Michigan and the Mag Mile.
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Gold Coast isnt safe. There’s subsidized housing throughout the neighborhood and section 8. People that live there are shitheads and drug addicts with nothing to do. There’s constant car jackings and robberies
Lincoln Park isn’t so pristine as well, lots of crime throughout and nobody lives in the loop.
Gold Coast isnt safe. There’s subsidized housing throughout the neighborhood and section 8. People that live there are shitheads and drug addicts with nothing to do. There’s constant car jackings and robberies
Lincoln Park isn’t so pristine as well, lots of crime throughout and nobody lives in the loop.
Quote: (02-28-2019 11:29 PM)uhriginal Wrote:
^^^
Gold Coast isnt safe. There’s subsidized housing throughout the neighborhood and section 8. People that live there are shitheads and drug addicts with nothing to do. There’s constant car jackings and robberies
Lincoln Park isn’t so pristine as well, lots of crime throughout and nobody lives in the loop.
Not sure if you're trolling or just severely misinformed, but I'll respond to your bizarre post anyway.
The Gold Coast is one of the nicest, wealthiest, cleanest urban neighborhoods in America. As someone who has been to just about every major city in North America, I can confidently say this.
Crime rates in The GC are significantly below the national average. Why are you lying, lol?:
![[Image: yrjnvQl.png]](https://i.imgur.com/yrjnvQl.png)
The GC is extremely wealthy and upscale:
![[Image: 5pgHUTK.png]](https://i.imgur.com/5pgHUTK.png)
The GC is beautiful (mansions, Rush St, Oak St, Oak St Beach, etc):
![[Image: zDQubIN.png]](https://i.imgur.com/zDQubIN.png)
https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/g...hicago-il/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hi...ted_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Coast..._(Chicago)
https://www.choosechicago.com/neighborho...old-coast/
This is a seriously sobering look at the numerous thug degenerates who shop at lowly Hermes on E Oak St in The Gold Coast. This is the reality of living in the impoverished Gold Coast. Rumor has it these hooligans were spotted at Morton's, also in The Gold Coast, which is a common eatery for America's bottom of the barrel:
![[Image: lL3M68c.png]](https://i.imgur.com/lL3M68c.png)
"uhriginal" even told me that the drug addicts love spending a night at Gold Coast's Ritz-Carlton after a nice crack binge!
https://www.fourseasons.com/chicago/
"uhriginal" even told me that the drug addicts love spending a night at Gold Coast's Ritz-Carlton after a nice crack binge!
https://www.fourseasons.com/chicago/
I believe gold coast has the highest income per household in Chicago, even higher than River North.
Chicago is outrageously nice and clean in central and Northside areas.
Seriously done with the winters though. I usually travel the whole time so I suppose it's not that bad.
Looks like in 2020 we will get a fat income tax increase. If it happens, I'm leaving for sure. Love the place but the city and states financial position is extremely concerning.
Seriously done with the winters though. I usually travel the whole time so I suppose it's not that bad.
Looks like in 2020 we will get a fat income tax increase. If it happens, I'm leaving for sure. Love the place but the city and states financial position is extremely concerning.
Hey guys. Haven't posted in this thread in a while as this just fucking occurred to me. I'm a student at DePaul University. Me and some friends are throwing a house party (pretty much on campus) this weekend. Literally tomorrow the 9th. Not sure if any of you will even see this in time to come, but if any CHICAGO NATIVES in the lincoln park/north side area or just in general want to come game with me, let me know. I am new to game/pickup/redpill in general and my friends are also somewhat noobs. I was really hoping to get some advice from a legit pick up artist. Anyway. It's a college party so if you come you can pull some college bitches, and we invited a lot of women. If you are interested, message me or something. I'm gonna stop checking this post either tonight or maybe around tomorrow. If you want to come, message me for the address im not gonna post that shit publicly.
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