This thread serves as a poll and debate regarding what is more important in your life, if you had to choose one or the other:

A. Have a strong romantic relationship with a female and have children but no strong male friendships. Your life would revolve around work and family.

or

B. Having strong male friendships but no strong romantic connection with a female and no family life. Your life would revolve around work, chilling with solid male friends and banging useless sluts (until your dick shits the bed in old age). You have no legitimate offspring and possibly one or more bastard children.

Now, this question is certainly circumstantial. I think most in today's West or living in a dangerous society would go with B. If it was 1950's America most would go with A. So my question to the forum is if they lived in a random society they could not pick or predict, what would be your choice? Also, consider the fact this isn't just your 20's and 30's... this is your life.

This topic was discussed in thread-71823.html, however I felt a separate thread with a poll would be interesting.

I voted B.

I’ll rather have 3-4 close friends and a harem of 20 women with 5 of them being pretty close and 1 being my main girl.

My dad gave up all his friends for my mom Nd now he’s a miserable workaholic.

But I also have MGTOW friends who never get Pussy and that seems horrible too.

With that said I choose B

^My father is the same way... he has no male friends and no masculine hobbies other than golf. He is the definition of a "good man" but not good at "being a man" (source: https://www.amazon.com/Way-Men-Jack-Dono...way+of+men) and he is miserable as fuck. My mother is a wonderful woman though so it was clear he made a distinct choice as an A voter.

Almost all women will come and go.

I have many acquaintances, quite a few good friends, and one best friend.

That best friend is my brother to me, I'd take a bullet for him. We've gone through some wild highs and lows together and seen some dark days, helped each other through some very tough times.

When I'm old and the drama of life has passed by, I'll probably be getting a sponge bath from a Thai nurse with no long term woman by my side. I sincerely hope he's there so we can still take tequila shots together and talk shit, but it's more likely that one of us will be dead by then.

Team B

I keep hearing about this on this site, but can somebody explain to me what "Meaningless Sex" is?

What about C?

Lots of male friends but no romance or pussy at all? Seems to be a realistic scenario you see a lot.

Of course, not many men would opt for this in real life, which is why so many men are willing to sell each other out over a broad, but seems to be a more accurate either/or comparison of male friendship to female companionship.

Quote: (02-17-2019 07:44 PM)brianmark Wrote:  

I keep hearing about this on this site, but can somebody explain to me what "Meaningless Sex" is?

I have had meaningful sex and meaningless sex. I think the term meaningful could be used to describe someone with whom you want to reproduce with whereas meaningless is just a notch.

Hoes cum and go but your bros will be your bros.

Dead set 50:50 tie. Interesting.

I'd like to instead read people's opinions on whether any other choices are possible in modern day America, short of being part of some religious community.

Too many people have bought into both the atomization of modern society and the idea that your wife is supposed to be your soul mate and lifelong best friend. If you are redpilled, how do you go about finding a third option? I don't know any men my age (apart from people I met through this forum) who see through that blue pill societal conditioning.

Even if you could find that unicorn woman to start a family with, where do you find a community that is dedicated to supporting your goals as a red pill man?

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Quote: (02-18-2019 12:01 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  

I'd like to instead read people's opinions on whether any other choices are possible in modern day America, short of being part of some religious community.

Too many people have bought into both the atomization of modern society and the idea that your wife is supposed to be your soul mate and lifelong best friend. If you are redpilled, how do you go about finding a third option? I don't know any men my age (apart from people I met through this forum) who see through that blue pill societal conditioning.

Even if you could find that unicorn woman to start a family with, where do you find a community that is dedicated to supporting your goals as a red pill man?

One of my main motivations for getting rich is to someday have the money to afford a surrogate for 5 kids. Not only that but to have the freedom to raise them myself.

I personally see myself with a Japanese wife who is 20 Years younger than me who will help me raise my 5 kids.

Why isn’t there the option to have both strong male friendship and strong romantic relationship? It’s pretty much the same skills for both achievements (being interesting, fun, knowledgeable and trustworthy), so I’d say if you have one you are likely to get the other. And if you can’t get one you are unlikely to be able to get the other.

Kids flip it that way. Man needs a legacy.

Are people just voting for their current situation?

I would have taken B before I had children, but A is a no brainer for me now that I have experienced fatherhood.

Quote: (02-18-2019 07:04 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

Kids flip it that way. Man needs a legacy.

100%. Reproduction is the ultimate biological objective of all animals... you owe it to yourself as a man to pass on your genes. Finding the "right" woman to help keep a family healthy and intact through the entirety of your child(ren)'s developmental years may just be harder than it was a generation or two ago, depending on where you are in the world.

I'd lean A personally for a few reasons...

Firstly, unless all your mates are also choosing B, you'll lose a solid half of them as they choose A and even those that you don't lose to A you'll lose to C (Wife takes majority of their time but still have time for their mates here and there) so unless you've got several other friends choosing B with you, B is ultimately going to die off as you age.

A brings with it children so that's a strong reason.

Secondly, I don't see any reason that even if you choose A that you can't have strong male relationships, this would be a weird decision. If the wife forced it upon you then I'd question the marriage at that very instance.

I've only had a handful of good male friends in my life (and fewer guys I actually looked up to), but I've had many women come and go. If I placed more value in having strong bonds with males, I probably would have focused my energy more in cultivating those kinds of friendships. If I ever get married and start a family, I'm sure I'll miss the sex and companionship of random women over any bonds I had with male friends. In fact, I'm not looking forward to meeting and being friendly with the beta husbands of other married couples (sounds horrible).

I've found male companionship to be quite fleeting, at least for the past decade. Most of my "friends" have simply drifted away and moved on in life, or literally moved away. Even my best friend from childhood, whom I considered family and as close as blood, eventually drifted away and moved on despite my best efforts.

I'm not even sure true friendship with implicit trust is possible anymore, not in this culture. Plus, as JimBobsCooters said, many will leave because of women and to start a family. So I guess I'll choose A. At least then I would have children to love and care for, my legacy carried on. And a woman who cared about me and would take care of me.

Male friendship. You may find friendships to come and go but so does pussy (even your wife's). But with men, you can gain mentorship, knowledge and wisdom. Women just have pussy, a few domestic skills and a series of headaches to give.

Quote: (02-18-2019 08:42 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  

But with men, you can gain mentorship, knowledge and wisdom.

True, if you can find such noble men. Finding a mentor for anything is not an easy task as it requires someone who will take personal interest in your development and take pleasure in seeing you succeed. Most men are too busy or have an ego too big to be that altruistic. And knowledge and wisdom is something one gains on his own. In the past, elders may have passed down important nuggets to the youth, but our modern culture in the West considers old-timers "out of touch," preferring to keep them out of sight.

No question A is more important, since it creates kids. They've fully taken away A and now are trying to take away B, with destruction of things like the Boy Scouts. A is clearly the most important and actually threatens the power structure more, but in times of crisis (and in order to actually change things), B is extremely important.

Also, I wrote this for my blog about a month ago on my opinions regarding male friendship. My idea is basically that true friends are given by circumstance and not chosen: https://thenewcowboy.wordpress.com/2019/...n-america/

A, even without children. I've found male friendship to be highly overrated and transient. Obviously almost everyone in your life will come and go, but I think "the one" is worth more than male friendships. I had one girlfriend last five years and did everything for me. I've yet to have a dedicated male friendship last even half that time.

Going off on a tangent but I feel that male vs female friendship is slightly glorified in favor of males in red pill circles. In my experience, every male will fuck you over if the right pussy or money is dangled in front of them. Guys like to claim females are catty, backstabbing, and competitive. It may be somewhat true but females just don't live in the same mode of scarcity for sex and money like males do. I've never seen females ruin their friendship for a guy or money and it literally happens all the time with males. In fact, I'd even argue that random women have more power in male circles than the males in that circle do. Guys will drop you right out of their circle if decent looking women want you out-they'd rather get a shot at the glory hole than stay loyal.

Women also seem to be much more tolerant towards low value loser girls. How often do you see normal or high value guys hanging with a broke, fat incel? Decent women hang out with the female equivalent all the time. Again, it goes back to scarcity mode. Women simply have so many more options for dating and money that they don't care if one of their friends turns off a few guys or offers no value.

I consider the "female companionship" option to be a wife or live in girlfriend. In my opinion, a wife or live in girlfriend who gives me sex, love, and attention everyday far surpasses the value of any male friend that I've ever had. Even the girlfriend that I dated for a few months gave me more value than almost all of my male friends.