Ryan Adams just got MeToo'ed hard by NYTimes. This hit me because I really like his music. The underage texting stuff is pretty damning (if true) but mostly the article is girls saying, "He was a moody musician who tried to have sex with me". Looks like marxists are coming after musicians now after the Weinstein stuff ran out of steam.

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Some now say that Adams’s rock-star patronage masked a darker reality. In interviews, seven women and more than a dozen associates described a pattern of manipulative behavior in which Adams dangled career opportunities while simultaneously pursuing female artists for sex. In some cases, they said, he would turn domineering and vengeful, jerking away his offers of support when spurned, and subjecting women to emotional and verbal abuse, and harassment in texts and on social media. The accounts have been corroborated by family members or friends who were present at the time, as well as by correspondence from Adams reviewed by The New York Times.

Power, talent and "manipulative behavior" are now illegal for white males, apparently.

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Adams lorded his artistic accomplishments over her, she said. “He would always tell me, ‘You’re not a real musician, because you don’t play an instrument.’”

He has a point.

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But when they got together days later to work on ideas, Adams began remarking on Jaye’s appearance and moving in on her — “Hurricane Ryan,” as she described him. She said she tried to deflect his attention, and failed; having been victimized before, Jaye added, “I just shut myself off.” They wound up in bed, but didn’t have sex.

Totally sounds like rape.

I wonder who's next. John Mayer? Matty Healy? Mick Jagger??? The possibilities are endless.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/arts/...e=Homepage

I don't say this to be sarcastic nor snide. Simply honest. Who...?

Quote: (02-14-2019 01:24 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

I don't say this to be sarcastic nor snide. Simply honest. Who...?

He's something of a second-tier musician. Not big enough to sell out Madison Square Garden, but popular enough to sell out the House of Blues in a major city. He has some fans around the jam-band circuit.

Who knows...it could actually propel his career upwards. If not, he'll be playing a coffee shop in Marin County by this fall.

Women are very macchivellean in getting what they want- will use the court system to make a man work like a dog to earn her alimony, even when it is ridiculously unfair.

Yet when a man is macchivellean and uses everything he's got going for him to get pussy, it's apparently illegal

Most western women are losers. Can't handle an equal playing field.

Lamest thing ever?

Valentine's Day: India college row over 'virginity tree' ritual

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Female students at a college in the Indian capital, Delhi, are demanding an end to a ritual that sees male students hang condoms filled with water from a tree and pray to "curvaceous goddesses" in the hope that it will help them lose their virginity.

On Wednesday night, protesting students stormed the gates of the prestigious Hindu College, demanding the shelving of the "patriarchal" and "misogynistic" ritual.

For decades now, on Valentine's Day male students have been hosting a puja (Hindu ritualistic worship) at the tree called the "Virgin Tree" or simply the "V-Tree".

They hang balloons, colourful ribbons and condoms on its branches next to posters of the latest avatar of the goddess Damdami Mai - generally a top Bollywood actress or a model chosen by the students.

A male student dressed as a Hindu priest performs religious rituals, hundreds of students sing a hymn in praise of the "hot and sexy goddess", prasad (food offering made to her) is distributed among the students who then dance and celebrate.

Over the years, a legend has grown that worshipping at the tree would help a student lose his virginity within six months.

In a largely conservative country like India where pre-marital sex is still taboo, many young adults believe nothing less than divine intervention will help them hook up.



Teli Venkatesh, the 19-year-old president of the boys' hostel union which has organised the event this year, describes it as "some harmless fun". He says it started "because people wanted to celebrate love" and that hundreds of students, including women, participate in the puja every year.

Female students, however, say the event "sexualises and objectifies" women and has no place in a "secular, intellectual" space like their college. They also point out that it's only a few women who participate in the event.

"The male students pick an actress who is attractive enough to be labelled Damdami Mai and the puja reeks of Brahminical ritual practices of caste pride," Aashi Datta, a 20-year-old undergrad student who's at the forefront of the campaign to ban the ritual, told the BBC.

She says the event is held in a "hyper masculine, aggressive environment" and in past years, women's participation was "not even 5%". She's right - a look at the videos of the day from past years shows only a handful of women in the crowd of male students.

Mr Venkatesh accuses Ms Datta of trying to "politicise" a college event and says that students who "enthusiastically participate" in the celebrations come from different states and belong to different religions and castes.

He also lists the changes they have incorporated this time to make the event more inclusive.

"Since this is about celebrating love, we are selecting a couple who are in a long-lasting relationship. To address the criticism that we are not just about heterosexual love, we are putting up pride flags and placards to celebrate the LGBT community. And we are hanging condoms to promote safe sex, bring awareness about sexually transmitted diseases and end taboos about sex."

He also said that they would use a fully clothed photograph of the actress chosen as this year's goddess and that the hymn lyrics had been rewritten to make it less descriptive of the female body.



Ms Datta and the other protesters, however, say nothing short of completely stopping this event will do.

"Legacy and tradition are not good enough reasons to continue with a festival. It's a liberal college, we need to choose which traditions to follow and which ones to drop," she insists.

On Tuesday, the two warring sides met, along with some professors, to find a way out, but the stalemate remains.

Prof PK Vijayan, who was invited by the female students to speak at the meeting, was a student at Hindu in the late 1980s when the virgin tree puja began.

"It started with courting couples sitting around the tree and so it came to be known as the lovers' tree," he says. "In those days, there was little awareness about Valentine's Day in India. But over the years, the celebrations became more structured and the tree was festooned with condoms and posters of women regarded as beautiful.

"And then students began believing that eating the prasad would help them lose their virginity and the boys lined up for it and so did some girls."

Prof Vijayan agrees that women's participation in the festival is very low and says he's heard some women say that they are uncomfortable with the way it is conducted.

But he says he's not comfortable with "any type of puritanical ideas" and suggests that they continue with the puja but modify it.

"I think the female students should be more flexible and instead of demanding a ban, they should take it over and redesign it the way they want to.

"Unfortunately, at the moment it is done as a celebration of machismo. It should be made more inclusive so that women could participate as those who also desire, and not just as the desired."

I hope this retarded "verbal and emotional abuse" concept really catches on this year. I mean like the way metoo did last year. I think that will really catapult us toward the tipping point faster than just false allegations that ruins a mans life. When day to day life becomes near unbearable because they're worried about every word exchanged, then maybe men will finally pull their heads out of their asses. I mean...how much further can we go after that before men are simply put in camps to contain their toxic masculinity?

Quote: (02-14-2019 01:24 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

I don't say this to be sarcastic nor snide. Simply honest. Who...?

He's the guy who some people think did "summer of '69" and when they yell that out at his concerts he flips out.

Quote: (02-14-2019 10:58 AM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

...how much further can we go after that before men are simply put in camps to contain their toxic masculinity?

The most likely endpoint of this is MGTOW and tumbling birth-rates like the herbivore men in Japan.

Quote: (02-14-2019 10:58 AM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

I hope this retarded "verbal and emotional abuse" concept really catches on this year. I mean...how much further can we go after that before men are simply put in camps to contain their toxic masculinity?

I get what you're saying, but this would be a disaster. Society has failed the #MeToo shit test miserably- how many innocent men have had lives ruined or permanently changed because of this insanity?

Enabling women to claim "verbal abuse" means they can now ruin men for literally anything, which has two possible outcomes-

Scenario 1, likely: Western men become even more unbelievably pathetic, and any unapologetic heterosexual male faces unemployment, social ostracism, and/or prison.

Scenario 2: unlikely: A switch flips, and Western Men snap into a furious pushback that sees women face real hostility from angry men.

While scenario 2 has some upsides, it is very unlikely, and there would probably be substantial violence (actual rapes for example) against women as furious men reacted to being subjugated as 2nd class citizens.

Let's hope he faces no consequences, and this whole phenomenon quiets down a bit.

Quote: (02-14-2019 02:45 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2019 10:58 AM)Once Was Not Wrote:  

I hope this retarded "verbal and emotional abuse" concept really catches on this year. I mean...how much further can we go after that before men are simply put in camps to contain their toxic masculinity?

I get what you're saying, but this would be a disaster. Society has failed the #MeToo shit test miserably- how many innocent men have had lives ruined or permanently changed because of this insanity?

Enabling women to claim "verbal abuse" means they can now ruin men for literally anything, which has two possible outcomes-

Scenario 1, likely: Western men become even more unbelievably pathetic, and any unapologetic heterosexual male faces unemployment, social ostracism, and/or prison.

Scenario 2: unlikely: A switch flips, and Western Men snap into a furious pushback that sees women face real hostility from angry men.

While scenario 2 has some upsides, it is very unlikely, and there would probably be substantial violence (actual rapes for example) against women as furious men reacted to being subjugated as 2nd class citizens.

Let's hope he faces no consequences, and this whole phenomenon quiets down a bit.

Bro, look at what you wrote...we're there right now. Our culture is sick and rotten to the core...there is no "fixing" this. Do you honestly see any sort of roadmap back to a traditional society and women reining themselves in? I don't. All I see is females becoming dehumanized through social media attention and feminist propaganda and thirsty men enabling them every step of the way. The only way to stop this madness is for men to right themselves and as usual a "disaster" must happen for humans to make meaningful changes. Yes, those who stuck their heads in the sand will probably suffer, but many more will wake up.

It's time to face reality. We've been getting routed off the battlefield and giving up territory for decades. Don't even bring up Trump, dude is as feminist as anyone. The campaign is lost. Who knows how long we'll even be safe on this forum, our little Führerbunker, which we need to even voice our opinions and anonymously at that. A reversion to the mean will only happen when feminists finally go too far. You're right, society failed the #metoo shittest and it will continue fail them while we slowly boil to death. Let's get it over with while I'm young.

And I apologize for how dramatic this post sounds on a thread about a guy most will confuse for Bryan Adams.

I encourage one and all to troll the fuck out of this Instagram post.

An effects pedal maker that collaborated with Ryan is ceasing that collaboration, merely on the basis of an allegation. Virtue signalling at its finest.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4LgfeA_yf/...9ybtb4q878

Quote: (02-14-2019 06:20 PM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

I encourage one and all to troll the fuck out of this Instagram post.

An effects pedal maker that collaborated with Ryan is ceasing that collaboration, merely on the basis of an allegation. Virtue signalling at its finest.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4LgfeA_yf/...9ybtb4q878

I checked the story on a Facebook feed. For fucks sake...the beta males were out on full force: i.e. fuck that guy, women deserve respect, etc. I clicked on the photos of a few of these male commentators and they reeked of Incel.

The beta male anger is real. And a situation like this allows the thirsty men to unleash their anger on a man that, from what we can assume, was garnering the pussy that the Incels were unable to.

It's easy to see how some of these angry men will eventually shoot up a movie theater, crowded mall, etc.

A number of the articles reference Adams’ ex-wife Mandy Moore, a woman doing pretty damn well for herself in the acting world nowadays.

Still, Moore blames Adams for her lack of continued success after trying to make the transition from girly pop in her teens and early twenties to something else. It’s rather clear that the de facto end to her singing career riles her up to this day and Adams is a convenient scapegoat.

Because most relationships fail anyway, women have ready-made excuses for anything that doesn’t go as they want in life - blaming an ex-boyfriend or husband with amorphous ideas of “control” or “emotional abuse”.

As I said, Moore has done well for herself regardless, so imagine the sorts of things she might have said if she had become a relative nobody and not an actress on a popular drama show.

Singing comeback publicity tour by slandering your ex-husband confirmed:

https://people.com/music/mandy-moore-taylor-goldsmith-songs-ready-to-go-amid-ryan-adams-allegations/amp/

She spends years with him and somehow that was because of “psychological abuse”?

Comments are on point.

This hit piece is as much a witch hunt against Adams (who is a relative nobody in pop culture) as it is an excuse for NYTimes to promote the careers of marginally talented girls at the expense of ruining a man's public image forever.

It's not enough for women to win. Men have to lose.

And now that "psychological abuse" is a rationale for MSM smear pieces, expect this to filter down to us commoners.

Telling a girl to put her seat belt on? Psychological abuse.

Telling your pregnant wife not to drink that bottle of wine? Sexist emotional abuse.

Telling your girl you'd rather she keep her hair long? Abuse abuse abuse.

This culture wants men castrated so badly it's oozing out of every single word coming out of mainstream media.

Quote: (02-15-2019 08:48 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

She spends years with him and somehow that was because of “psychological abuse”?

We're seeing the criminalization of failed relationships now, which I'm sure all women would love (as it would impact only men of course). In other words the "he was just as jerk" defense-mechanism. The Johnny Depp situation is also similar although clearly Depp was a loose canon in his wine glass video. But testy celeb pairings are nothing new. Go back and look at Richard Burton and Liz Taylor. I hate to admit it but there's a fine line between love and hate.

But in the end, it takes two people to tango. You choose someone and you validate the relationship with each day that you remain in that relationship. Part of being a grown adult is owning up to that rather than holding onto a grievance-list, let alone twisting it into a public shaming campaign. The price to be paid for your partner not living up to your expectations is to simply break up, nothing more, nothing less.

I have a warchest of material to make my ex partners look bad, but I don't have a mouthpiece in which to destroy their lives, and frankly, I'm above doing that. It's an abuse of power for celebrities to do this sort of bullshit. Dust yourself off and get the F on with your life.

BTW, this is Mandy Moore's biggest contribution to pop culture. If only romance were so organic and frictionless, huh? A wake-up call to all involved.

Quote: (02-15-2019 08:45 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

Still, Moore blames Adams for her lack of continued success after trying to make the transition from girly pop in her teens and early twenties to something else. It’s rather clear that the de facto end to her singing career riles her up to this day and Adams is a convenient scapegoat.

It's ironic that this story is coming out on the heels of A Star is Born: the new movie that stars Lady Gaga and promotes the idea of two people falling in love via music. A lot of people have been gaga over that movie (pardon the pun). Basically, it's another "romantic" film that's producing some vagina tingles.

And here you have the real-life example. The man gets more success than his musician partner (albeing marginal) and she accuses him of abuse. Life is always more revealing than Hollywood fiction.

Quote: (02-15-2019 10:41 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  

It's ironic that this story is coming out on the heels of A Star is Born

That's a good example. Even though it's been framed as a romance, he clearly uses his leverage to make the relationship happen and opens doors for her in a very #MeToo sort of way. He's just the cliche' star with his slick black limo and chauffer.

Later on he pretty much FORCES her onto the stage to sing because she's so shy. He then proceeds to act as a drunken mess and yet she "stands by her man". Would she have hooked up with him or stood by him if he couldn't have furthered her career ambitions? Why couldn't she make it on her own by being the "best singer evar" Mary Sue? So in most respects that film is NOT representing modern feminist empowerment sensibilities but rather an earlier era in which women need to be swept off their feet ala Cinderella. The only vindication comes from her outshining him and his final fate (not to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it).

I always liked his songs. Keep strong Bryan.

Rocha, the accused musician is Ryan Adams, not this canuck Bryan.

Quote: (02-17-2019 09:47 AM)Hankk Wrote:  

Rocha, the accused musician is Ryan Adams, not this canuck Bryan.

No, it's a spelling mistake in the OP.

^^^

I think commenter Rocha is being funny, purposely trying to add to the Bryan Adams/Ryan Adams confusion that has emerged.

This has apparently become such a problem for Bryan Adams that CNN did a story on it yesterday titled "Bryan Adams is not Ryan Adams."

If people hear the name "Ryan Adams" on the radio TV and don't see it in print, a lot of them assume it's "Bryan Adams." The latter is more famous, having had a string of big U.S. hits in the 1980s and two #1 U.S. hits in the 1990s, including "Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman?" and the below mushy ballad from 1992.

I wonder if Bryan Adams has called Ryan Adams to say "Stop ruining my name by association!"