Evening gentlemen,

I am incredibly excited. I just did my first 5 approaches in my journey to becoming a master pick-up artist. And let me tell you, my dudes, rejection ain't shit. Before I continue, I was tinkering with pick-up for the past year or so and learned a ton of theories from Roosh V, Mark Manson, and Sasha Daygame. I did some pick-up every few months, but they all ended with flakes or outright rejection. Speaking of, I was deathly afraid of rejection. Like, horribly so - hence why I pussy-footed around going out and talking to girl.

Anyway, I approached cute girls I saw around a college campus I lived nearby and most of the approaches went great. All of my approaches were direct. For each of approach, I told the girls I was getting the layout of the college and thinking about taking classes there. A white lie, yes, but still worked.

Approach #1: I saw this cute Latina girl (about 7.5) walking around campus getting food from the cafeteria. My ego told me she wasn't "hot enough" and I should find someone else. Nah, fuck that. My heart started pounding when I approached her and said: "Hey, I saw you from a distance and I thought you were cute. I couldn't pass up the moment and I wanted to talk to you!" She blushed and said "Thank you". I told her to sit down with me and she did. I then began to ask questions (too much questions) about her personal life and spoke in a fast, almost nervous tone. She told me she was going to school to become an orthodontist and we chatted a bit. Eventually, my mind blanked and I straight up told her, "I'm going to be honest with you, but my mind totally blanked". She laughed and said it was OK and began asking where I came from. Eventually I asked for her number and she said she didn't have a phone. As my mind ran blank, I excused myself and said I'd see her around campus.

Pros: Got approach #1 out of the way. Found out I can talk to a girl and admit the truth that I'm attracted to her.

Cons: Asked stupid, non-threatening questions. In a matter of fact, too much questions. Not enough statements. Crazy lack of escalation. I felt like I was talking to a friend. Fuck that. I'm not here to get friend zoned. I'm here to get laid.

Approach #2: I ran into another cute Latina girl sitting bored, looking at her phone. At first, when I walked through the door into the campus building she was in, she didn't notice me. Therefore, not to appear like this weird dude who approaches her after coming through the door, I went upstairs, looked around a bit, then came down again and did my approach. As to avoid performance based game, I told her my truth and said I found her cute and was attracted to her. She giggled and said thanks. However, I fell into the same pitfalls as approach #1 and asked too many questions. She told me she was going to school for criminal justice and said she was hoping to get into CIA/NSA. I made a few jokes about her being a "secret agent girl". She laughed. Eventually, I asked for her phone number. She told me she had a boyfriend, but...

This is the part ALL you guys need to listen to. Every single dude who is afraid of direct approaching a woman.

She said she really appreciates being told that and I was the second dude in two years to ever cold approach her. She said I should keep doing it as it makes girls feel special. I laughed and said now she has a story to tell her boyfriend.

Pros: I got a compliment from a girl to keep doing what I'm doing. That was a huge boost. Believe me.

Cons: She had a boyfriend. Can't be helped. Asking too many personal questions. Not enough escalation. I can't say that enough.

Approach #3: While on the prowl, I met a 26 y/o A&P staff member (I forgot the exact job she had) walking down a set of stairs and out the doors to her car. This one wasn't as eventful as the others. I said she was attractive and I wanted to meet her. She laughed, but spoke in a low, raspy tone and said she had a cold. I joked and said it's ironic she worked in the health department and had a cold. Cheesy, I know, but whatever. We chatted a bit and after asking for her number told me she had a boyfriend. I let her go after a couple minutes.

Pros: None.

Cons: Once again, not enough direct statements. Too. Many. Questions. What is this an interview? Jesus.

Approach #4: My favorite one. I saw this gorgeous, 5'11-6'1 or something Bulgarian exchange student walking out of the library to meet up with her friends at the gym. I was talking to another guy at the time, keeping my social mood up. The fucking second I saw her, my ass ditched him. Before I could lose her, I sprung my ass out the door to introduce myself to her. I yelled out "Hey!" She couldn't hear me as she was wearing headphones. After a few times, I used a technique I learned from Mark Manson and Sasha Daygame and I went to the far left of her as to not surprise the girl and then did my approach.

The second she took off her headphones I was like, "Okay, I know this a little weird, but I saw you walking out the door and I thought you were cute. I didn't want to miss my chance to say hi to you." She giggled and blushed. At first, I didn't know she wasn't from the US, but the second she started speaking I asked where she was from. She said she was from Bulgaria and she came to my hometown due to a soccer scholarship. We chatted a bit, and yes, I fell into the same pitfalls I did last time, but unlike the others when I asked for her number, she said she didn't have one, BUT...

She told me she had Snapchat and a few other apps and that I could add her. I agreed, typed up her Snapchat handle on my phone, and she added me on Snapchat, like, a few minutes ago. This was an hour later after she hit the gym. I said she should go out sometime. She responded by saying her friends and her usually go to Mexico to party, but she may make some time for me.

Pros: I approached a 8.5-9 gorgeous Bulgarian girls. I treated her like any other woman. Being "too hot" wasn't a challenge to me. I was vulnerable and honest in my approach. She gave me her Snapchat and accepted my request.

Cons: I should work as a news anchor who interviews celebrities or something. I also felt any jokes I made weren't exactly good. I need to be a better conversationalist.

Request: Fellow bros, I need your help on "Snapchat game". I'm actually not good at "text game". In the past, all I did for text game was use it for instructions like "Are you busy Friday? Let's meet up at J's Bar on Friday at 8pm." I'm really aching to plow the girl. So any help or tips are appreciated.

BONUS: Approach #5: My last approach was actually, well, my first approach. The reason why I put approach 5 last was because it was at the job I work at and not at the college. This also happened today. Anyway, let's continue on. I currently work as a medical assistant. We had this 30 year old Latina, cute, aged 30-35 come in for a workman's comp. At first, I didn't even game, I talked to her in a professional, yet sorta-kinda flirty manner. She responded positively everything I did. She laughed at all my jokes, gave me mad IOIs, like, I was stupid if I didn't ask this girl for her number.

When I asked, she smiled and gave me her number. I waited 2-3 hours to text her as I felt like I should and this is the message history I have so far:

Me: "Hey it's [my name] from the clinic."

Me: "Be sure to save my number."

Her: "Ok "

Pros: This is the moment I discovered honesty, truth, and vulnerability is the key. It's not a technique. It's expressing yourself and your desires. For some reason, and I think it's the patient-medical staff status, I didn't ask her a whole range of questions regarding her past.

Cons: None.

Request: Like the Bulgarian girl, I asked her out on a date next Friday. That's literally 8 days from now and far too long. How can I change the date without appearing indecisive? How can I text game her?

I can't believe I typed this all in one sitting.

Hey that’s great Hegemon!! I’m pretty new to this day game approaching as well and posts like these give me a lot of motivation.
A trick that I use as a novice is to imagine my friend’s face when I’m talking to a girl so that I don’t just keep asking questions and instead start talking as I would with a friend!! Just think of your most submissive friend, whom you can dominate and imagine you’re talking to him.
This technique is working somewhat for me...

Quote: (02-01-2019 01:03 AM)Napster Wrote:  

Hey that’s great Hegemon!! I’m pretty new to this day game approaching as well and posts like these give me a lot of motivation.
A trick that I use as a novice is to imagine my friend’s face when I’m talking to a girl so that I don’t just keep asking questions and instead start talking as I would with a friend!! Just think of your most submissive friend, whom you can dominate and imagine you’re talking to him.
This technique is working somewhat for me...

Oh dude, I gotta think about your tip.

Yeah, I asked way, way too many questions. I felt like some Beta dude at a bar who keeps asking women interview style questions. I immediately knew I fucked up upon asking so many questions.

Good stuff Hedgemon! The only way to learn is by doing, Keep it up!

Congrats man. Your first approach is the hardest part. From here on it's a just matter of slowly refining your game. And it will be slow, so don't get discouraged – this is the first step towards a better way of living (being more social, able to talk to anyone in any situation, controlling anxiety). The women are just a bonus.

Good job man. Daygame at times feels like a superpower, knowing you can approach any girl and potentially be fucking her later. It's also a nice ego boost when you have solid interactions, even if they lead to nowhere.

My constructive criticism of each approach, based on your depictions:

Approach 1: Solid ballsy opener, if you deliver it with confidence and your body language is on point, many girls will automatically defer to you for at least a little bit, as they are pleasantly surprised by your masculine gravitas.
Unfortunately, this one just wasn't into you, a girl saying she doesn't have a phone is the lowest of the low "i'm not interested in you at all, so little that i will give you the laziest, transparent excuse i can think of." I once approached a porn star looking girl in a gym, clear as day type of girl to have instagram/snapchat, etc. and she hit me with the "i don't have a phone."
You also correctly identified that asking a bunch of questions and going into "interview" mode is an attraction killer. This is because it reeks of approval seeking, you're worried about her liking you so you pussyfoot around with questions instead of being more assertive. It's a normal reaction in the presence of a very attractive girl, I catch myself doing it as well.

Approach 2: Good one, approaching when there's an audience, such as the library or on a bus, is my weakpoint. I think you can approach her as soon as you walk in, that would actually come off as more spontaneous and authentic, as opposed to doubling back to think up your "strategy." Something like "Hey, I'm going to do XYZ, but you distracted me!" Follow up with whatever you noticed about her, frame it as her trying to keep you from doing your task, make it fun, etc. etc.
Your cons here are an accurate critique, nothing to be done about a boyfriend.

Approach 3: Pros: You used situational humor, which is a great display of social savvy and "performing under pressure." Shame she had a boyfriend.

Approach 4: I recommend making yourself visible before calling out to her. Approaching from behind shouting "hey", or anything really, gives off the vibe of a street salesman or hustler. Run out in front of her, far enough away where you're not in her personal space, and then deliver your opener, smiling to not appear threatening. In my opinion you DO want to startle her a little bit. She's wearing headphones, so she's in her own little world at the moment, you want to jolt her out of it, so getting in front of her and then speaking will accomplish that.
Getting just the snapchat and not the number is somewhat of a weak lead, because she likely gives dudes her snapchat like giving out air, but it's something to work with.
Inviting her out after just getting her snapchat is very uncalibrated. You're still a total stranger to her who cold approached her on the street, you need to establish some comfort before seeding the meetup. Only the extreme YES girls will do a quick meetup, otherwise, even yes girls need some comfort and rapport.

Approach 5: Playing with fire approaching at your job, but all good.
"Be sure to save my number" is weak and needy, it's like saying "please don't forget me!" Substitute it with a reference to your conversation at work.
It's good you want to get to a date fast, every girl has a window of opportunity (as referenced by another poster in one of my threads), and they can close very quickly. However, if you haven't established enough comfort upfront, any invitation to go out will be met with a no, a vague, unclear answer, or a flake. Also trying to set a date 8 days in advance appears a bit too eager on your end.
I'd aim for a date around 2 days in the future, it's not too far away that your momentum can fizzle out, and also gives her the option to make a counteroffer if she's busy.
As far as changing the date, any face saving excuse will suffice (i forgot i have a work engagement, i have an important meeting the next morning, etc.) From there proceed like I mentioned above.
Overall great job, seems like you're on the right path. Over time your approaches will become a lot sharper, and your situational wit and charm will develop. Keep it up!

Sounds like you are learning a lot, keep it up! You will start to get some wins once you get into the conversation / escalation groove.

Good job man. Because of you I'm going day gaming today. Thanks for the inspiration and I hope you keep your posts up.

Quote: (02-01-2019 11:40 AM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  

Good job man. Daygame at times feels like a superpower, knowing you can approach any girl and potentially be fucking her later. It's also a nice ego boost when you have solid interactions, even if they lead to nowhere.

My constructive criticism of each approach, based on your depictions:

Approach 1: Solid ballsy opener, if you deliver it with confidence and your body language is on point, many girls will automatically defer to you for at least a little bit, as they are pleasantly surprised by your masculine gravitas.
Unfortunately, this one just wasn't into you, a girl saying she doesn't have a phone is the lowest of the low "i'm not interested in you at all, so little that i will give you the laziest, transparent excuse i can think of." I once approached a porn star looking girl in a gym, clear as day type of girl to have instagram/snapchat, etc. and she hit me with the "i don't have a phone."
You also correctly identified that asking a bunch of questions and going into "interview" mode is an attraction killer. This is because it reeks of approval seeking, you're worried about her liking you so you pussyfoot around with questions instead of being more assertive. It's a normal reaction in the presence of a very attractive girl, I catch myself doing it as well.

Approach 2: Good one, approaching when there's an audience, such as the library or on a bus, is my weakpoint. I think you can approach her as soon as you walk in, that would actually come off as more spontaneous and authentic, as opposed to doubling back to think up your "strategy." Something like "Hey, I'm going to do XYZ, but you distracted me!" Follow up with whatever you noticed about her, frame it as her trying to keep you from doing your task, make it fun, etc. etc.
Your cons here are an accurate critique, nothing to be done about a boyfriend.

Approach 3: Pros: You used situational humor, which is a great display of social savvy and "performing under pressure." Shame she had a boyfriend.

Approach 4: I recommend making yourself visible before calling out to her. Approaching from behind shouting "hey", or anything really, gives off the vibe of a street salesman or hustler. Run out in front of her, far enough away where you're not in her personal space, and then deliver your opener, smiling to not appear threatening. In my opinion you DO want to startle her a little bit. She's wearing headphones, so she's in her own little world at the moment, you want to jolt her out of it, so getting in front of her and then speaking will accomplish that.
Getting just the snapchat and not the number is somewhat of a weak lead, because she likely gives dudes her snapchat like giving out air, but it's something to work with.
Inviting her out after just getting her snapchat is very uncalibrated. You're still a total stranger to her who cold approached her on the street, you need to establish some comfort before seeding the meetup. Only the extreme YES girls will do a quick meetup, otherwise, even yes girls need some comfort and rapport.

Approach 5: Playing with fire approaching at your job, but all good.
"Be sure to save my number" is weak and needy, it's like saying "please don't forget me!" Substitute it with a reference to your conversation at work.
It's good you want to get to a date fast, every girl has a window of opportunity (as referenced by another poster in one of my threads), and they can close very quickly. However, if you haven't established enough comfort upfront, any invitation to go out will be met with a no, a vague, unclear answer, or a flake. Also trying to set a date 8 days in advance appears a bit too eager on your end.
I'd aim for a date around 2 days in the future, it's not too far away that your momentum can fizzle out, and also gives her the option to make a counteroffer if she's busy.
As far as changing the date, any face saving excuse will suffice (i forgot i have a work engagement, i have an important meeting the next morning, etc.) From there proceed like I mentioned above.
Overall great job, seems like you're on the right path. Over time your approaches will become a lot sharper, and your situational wit and charm will develop. Keep it up!

Thank you so much for the tips and suggestions. I will undoubtedly implement your comments tonight. So far, it hasn't been going so good, but I ain't going to pussy out approaching groups of women.