Quote: (01-26-2019 04:02 AM)incel Wrote:  

I disagree, I speak as an incel of 29 years.

For instance, when I was 21, I was so sexually frustrated and pent up that I got into female autopsies when I was at university.

So instead of having sex with fit young girls of 18-25 years of age, I was scouring the internet for female autopsy videos and pictures.

WTF??? Really, go check yourself with a specialist quickly, I am not joking...

Quote: (01-28-2019 08:19 AM)Irish Wrote:  

Gunning for a high notch count ultimately is purely an ego based thing, where you are trying to prove something to both yourself and your peers. But still something you probably need to go through if just to get it out of your system.

This is so spot-on. 100%.

Quote: (01-28-2019 08:19 AM)Irish Wrote:  

Eventually you'll learn that nobody else gives 2 fucks what your notch count is, there'll always be dudes who have smashed way more birds than you (not including the liars), and generally the guys with the highest notch counts tend to be those with the lowest standards rather than the tightest game.

Not only that, but there will be dudes that have smashed way more birds, better looking birds, and sometimes at 0.00001% of the effort (if they are a natural Chad Thundercock).

Quote: (01-28-2019 11:04 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

My notch count is pretty high, but neither my closest friends nor my most distant associates know what it is. I don't fuck these bitches for pats on the back and kudos. I genuinely enjoy being sexually intimate with a new woman as well as their company. I've learned so much from women be it how not to fuck up as they regale me with stories of goofy men they encounter or hobbies like photography, art...etc. I used to bone a chick who literally used to work for the Trilateral commission. She was an academic heavily entrenched in global politics. She broke down conspiracy theories and the whole 9 yards. I've met several chicks that have been pretty close to being considered a master Yogi. Learned a ton from them as well. I've met a number of art curators that helped educated my barbaric ass on art. It's more than just notches it's an experience. I don't tell my friends or family every time I eat at a great restaurant, but that doesn't take away the experience one bit. Sometimes I share sometimes I don't, but I do this for me. I also do it because most men can't.

You certainly have a high notch count for the right reasons. I unfortunately started off with the wrong reasons. Ego validation, proving to myself and to the world (who doesn't give a shit anyways) that I wasn't some loser and I was capable of banging lots of girls. When I was close to hitting 100, I remember banging some girls that were at best a 5 or 6 just to increase the notch count. Wouldn't even be turned on by these girls and the moment my dick went inside it was a transactional notch I can count to my list. That's a disgusting way of going about sex and I'm glad I grew out of that and got over it. And, almost paradoxically, hitting that stupid goal and the journey towards it is what taught me of the stupidity of it. I'm also very lucky I didn't get any crazy STDs (I raw dogged a lot of these girls) and didn't get some ugly fat bitch pregnant. Keep in mind, there were some really hot girls that I banged (likely from pure luck / application of numbers game, as I couldn't retain any as fuck buddies) but they were more the exception than the norm.

Now, I am very picky and a girl has to be both hot and cool if I'm gonna fuck with her. I have zero desire to seek validation through sex and it's actually very liberating. I'm not desperately pushing for a bang, sex with beautiful women is just something that's fun and enjoyable for me - and I have nothing to prove.

I still have some slip-ups though, biggest issue is getting needy / beta when I'm with 9's and very high calibre women and I end up pushing them away and not being able to retain them for long. But that's a tangent for another day.

Quote: (01-26-2019 04:02 AM)incel Wrote:  

For instance, when I was 21, I was so sexually frustrated and pent up that I got into female autopsies when I was at university.

Interesting theory, my notch count is 100+ and I'm 26. I had my dick in around 30 different women last year up until August and for the first time a switch went in my head where I didn't want to sleep with anymore new women, there were a few reasons behind that, which I won't go into right now.

I had no intention of settling down for years because after all, I'm 26 and my SMV is only going up but I have found a girl that makes me want to take a step back from banging girls all over the place and reflect. I'm currently enjoying the relationship, my only struggle is fucking one girl after having so much variety for so long. I wouldn't say that has fucked me up in any sort of way but it has lowered my tolerance for bad behaviour and bullshit. If there's any cheating or negative behavioural changes on her part I'm more than willing to cut ties and go back to playing the field.

For me that's what this has always been about. Just knowing I can do what I want. If I want to sleep with lots of women, I can. If I want to be in a relationship, I can do that. The problem for a lot of men is being trapped in dead end relationships because there's not much else out there for them. If you don't have that fear, you know you will have much more positive relationships that are good for you.

I do not get how guys with an actual life that involves a full time job can have 300 notches by the age of 35. It is insane. Are you all living in New York?

Triple digit notch count here, early 30's, worked 7 days a week for 5 years, still had a social life, and was also in a 2 year LTR.

When I first got into game the quality and quantity was there, even with a few low hanging fruit.

I was gaming more actively and it was the golden era of dating apps also, before girls were blowing up their IG's with dating apps.

Nowadays, the amounts of dates per week started dropping fast.

I actually deleted ALL my dating apps in the last two weeks and nexted mediocre or boring women fast, half of them I flaked on or never followed up, or they flaked and I was thankful.

The last 2-3 months I invested in myself with work and the fruits of my labors have started showing. I've also gone into heavily focused on saving mode.

What's been in interesting is lately I'm viewing every girl as a potential relationship, and that dramatically increases the odds of me nexting a girl.

The last few months something has awakened that part of me where I'd like to enjoy a relationship with a decent woman.

Obviously it's not a necessity, nor am I approaching it like that.


I've got 6 plates (and old 7th came back around this weekend).

I haven't fapped or watching porn in a few years now, I don't even have the urge, I just fuck....alot.


Having plates means I can focus on other things like my career, saving money, etc.


Like many have said, the older you get, the less effort you're going to put in for something mediocre.

I'd absolutely invest more time in a woman of worth, versus, a mediocre woman whose boring.

Quality vs quanitity nowadays, I'm busy self improving.


I used to think I'd lose the ability to pair bond fucking so many different girls and plates, that's simply not true.

You can definitely still pair bond with a woman.

Quote: (01-28-2019 04:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Triple digit notch count here, early 30's, worked 7 days a week for 5 years, still had a social life, and was also in a 2 year LTR.

When I first got into game the quality and quantity was there, even with a few low hanging fruit.

I was gaming more actively and it was the golden era of dating apps also, before girls were blowing up their IG's with dating apps.

Nowadays, the amounts of dates per week started dropping fast.

I actually deleted ALL my dating apps in the last two weeks and nexted mediocre or boring women fast, half of them I flaked on or never followed up, or they flaked and I was thankful.

The last 2-3 months I invested in myself with work and the fruits of my labors have started showing. I've also gone into heavily focused on saving mode.

What's been in interesting is lately I'm viewing every girl as a potential relationship, and that dramatically increases the odds of me nexting a girl.

The last few months something has awakened that part of me where I'd like to enjoy a relationship with a decent woman.

Obviously it's not a necessity, nor am I approaching it like that.


I've got 6 plates (and old 7th came back around this weekend).

I haven't fapped or watching porn in a few years now, I don't even have the urge, I just fuck....alot.


Having plates means I can focus on other things like my career, saving money, etc.


Like many have said, the older you get, the less effort you're going to put in for something mediocre.

I'd absolutely invest more time in a woman of worth, versus, a mediocre woman whose boring.

Quality vs quanitity nowadays, I'm busy self improving.


I used to think I'd lose the ability to pair bond fucking so many different girls and plates, that's simply not true.

You can definitely still pair bond with a woman.

Thank you for the insight! Although spinning so many plates sounds like a hassle. I personally don't want to go over 30 notches in my lifetime.

Everyones different and I slowed down.

Spinning plates is actually WAY easier then going on constant dates with unknown variables.

You already these women, what they're about, and how they act.

I more 3 of the girls that are plates, that I've been banging for 2-3 years now, the others for about a year or more now.

Once you get into a rythm and you're both comfortable with having fun then it's super easy to deal with.

Quote: (01-28-2019 04:58 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

Although spinning so many plates sounds like a hassle. I personally don't want to go over 30 notches in my lifetime.

It is a hassle! When I had 5 in my rotation it was killing my productivity. All 5 were trying to get pieces of my time. To maintain focus on work and hobbies, a better balance is 1 main girl and 1 side girl.

Why 30 notches? Why not 29? Or 31? My point is that counting notches is pretty useless. After 20 or so, you're not gonna learn anything new from them, and you will develop an abundance mentality (whether you want to or not). IOW, fucking 400 women doesn't change your outlook any more than fucking 40 women does. The change has been effected.

Quote: (01-26-2019 08:58 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

You are not old. You can have a good sex life in your 30s, and at least up till 45. You can have a solid 15 years in the game.

I was married in my 20s, 30s, 40s.
My best sex years were my 50s in SEA, all with women in their 20s and early 30s.
In my 60s now and almost completely lost interest, not sure if the reason was too much sex in the last 10 years, or I've just got too old.

Quote: (01-28-2019 08:25 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Everyones different and I slowed down.

Spinning plates is actually WAY easier then going on constant dates with unknown variables.

You already these women, what they're about, and how they act.

I more 3 of the girls that are plates, that I've been banging for 2-3 years now, the others for about a year or more now.

Once you get into a rythm and you're both comfortable with having fun then it's super easy to deal with.

I don't understand that. I can barely handle 2 or 3 plates without going crazy from all the time and energy (even if its just maintenance). Hell even dealing with one girl can be exhausting enough.

Quote: (01-28-2019 10:26 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2019 04:58 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

Although spinning so many plates sounds like a hassle. I personally don't want to go over 30 notches in my lifetime.

It is a hassle! When I had 5 in my rotation it was killing my productivity. All 5 were trying to get pieces of my time. To maintain focus on work and hobbies, a better balance is 1 main girl and 1 side girl.

Why 30 notches? Why not 29? Or 31? My point is that counting notches is pretty useless. After 20 or so, you're not gonna learn anything new from them, and you will develop an abundance mentality (whether you want to or not). IOW, fucking 400 women doesn't change your outlook any more than fucking 40 women does. The change has been effected.

I see what you're saying bro, but a high notch count radiates a certain energy that you just can't get from only banging 20 women.
Not saying there's a "magic" number that you need to hit to get there, everyones different and it's the journey to getting to that number that actually gets you there.

But the guy with 400 notches has been there done that with A LOT more different women and scenarios than the guy with 20, and it will show.

Quote: (01-28-2019 10:53 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

I can barely handle 2 or 3 plates without going crazy from all the time and energy (even if its just maintenance). Hell even dealing with one girl can be exhausting enough.

The way I solved this (for the most part) is setting expectations on when I will communicate. I usually limit check-ins/replies to around noon. I rarely ever respond or message at night unless she sends a sexy photo or it's the night before we're going to meet. It's also good not to let them get in the habit of chatting with you everyday. Essentially, you have to discipline them in order to make your life easy. They'll go nuts at first, but they get used to it.

Also, each girl's availability is different. There are some you will see every week and others you only see every 2-4 weeks.

My sweet spot is 3-4 plates. This gives you enough free time to date and chat up new girls -- because we all know plates don't stick around for more than a few months unless they really like you.

I agree that it messes you up.
I just can't trust women anymore, the most good girls have cheated with me, naive girls cheats as well.

Sometimes i can't just think on a situation when you are on LTR, one time you have bad problems.
she is out, some man who know how to talk is there, at her job, at the bar, one of her guy friends.
She will most likely will slip...

I saw it happens so many times.

Quote: (01-28-2019 10:26 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2019 04:58 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

Although spinning so many plates sounds like a hassle. I personally don't want to go over 30 notches in my lifetime.

It is a hassle! When I had 5 in my rotation it was killing my productivity. All 5 were trying to get pieces of my time. To maintain focus on work and hobbies, a better balance is 1 main girl and 1 side girl.

Why 30 notches? Why not 29? Or 31? My point is that counting notches is pretty useless. After 20 or so, you're not gonna learn anything new from them, and you will develop an abundance mentality (whether you want to or not). IOW, fucking 400 women doesn't change your outlook any more than fucking 40 women does. The change has been effected.

I have a friend, with whom I rarely keep in touch. That guy was the first natural player I got to know. During his early 30's, he was blinded by the bunch of low quality plates he was spinning, and missed out on an actual 8 from a stable, very well off family, who was young (some 10 years younger) and wanted to settle down with him. All what that girl wanted was a commitment. He never got to meet such a unicorn again.

My belief is that a men needs to gather experience and know how to approach and push for the "sale". Just like a good salesperson, who can close the sale without the client even realizing it. Although my notch count is low, the last few notches I acquired were during me being in an LTR, and I just do not see myself learning more if I had 20 or 30 notches. I am starting to think more and more that "game" (not the book!) is over rated. If a guy has desirable traits, the women will flock to him given the chance.

While this poll is a good way to gather data, it is flawed due to the absence of the location. It is a major difference if one lives in a rust belt city, or New York. The level of effort needed to get new notches is not the same in both locations.

With all that being said, the only way to get to know a good LTR is just to get many notches. I do not know any more reliable way in our current declining western society. I am just lucky for getting to know my LTR without having to bang a hundred lost causes.

I have a wife, many kids, two plates and 108 notches. I don’t think I’m ´messed up’, aside from the obvious fact that I cheat on all of them. On the contrary, a high notch count means that (although I’m always chasing new pussy) I’m no longer interested in a random incremental notch or flag, and I always prioritize family and ongoing relationships.

It made me actually more relaxed. I don't put pussy on the pedestal anymore like I did in my early 20's. A high notch count made me actually care less about girls and fucking them in general and I can focus now more on my business. Although, I recommend it to all guys to get it out of your system and fuck a bunch of girls first before you enter an LTR. Goodlookingloser had a good article on this.

Quote: (01-29-2019 09:45 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

I have a wife, many kids, two plates and 108 notches. I don’t think I’m ´messed up’, aside from the obvious fact that I cheat on all of them. On the contrary, a high notch count means that (although I’m always chasing new pussy) I’m no longer interested in a random incremental notch or flag, and I always prioritize family and ongoing relationships.

Aren't you afraid that this will set your kids to a life of degeneracy by providing them with a bad example? One girl from my College had such a father. That girl took on his path, and is riding the CC like crazy.

My daughter is very prudish and has absolutely no idea of what I do.

In my experience, the best predictor of female promiscuity is a weak or absent father (which I am not).

Quote: (01-29-2019 10:58 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

Quote: (01-29-2019 09:45 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

I have a wife, many kids, two plates and 108 notches. I don’t think I’m ´messed up’, aside from the obvious fact that I cheat on all of them. On the contrary, a high notch count means that (although I’m always chasing new pussy) I’m no longer interested in a random incremental notch or flag, and I always prioritize family and ongoing relationships.

Aren't you afraid that this will set your kids to a life of degeneracy by providing them with a bad example? One girl from my College had such a father. That girl took on his path, and is riding the CC like crazy.

How and why would his children ever find out?

Quote: (01-29-2019 10:58 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

One girl from my College had such a father. That girl took on his path, and is riding the CC like crazy.

Male promiscuity is fundamentally different than female promiscuity.

I'd say even sex itself is completely different for men than it is for women.

Quote: (01-28-2019 10:53 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

Quote: (01-28-2019 08:25 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Everyones different and I slowed down.

Spinning plates is actually WAY easier then going on constant dates with unknown variables.

You already these women, what they're about, and how they act.

I more 3 of the girls that are plates, that I've been banging for 2-3 years now, the others for about a year or more now.

Once you get into a rythm and you're both comfortable with having fun then it's super easy to deal with.

I don't understand that. I can barely handle 2 or 3 plates without going crazy from all the time and energy (even if its just maintenance). Hell even dealing with one girl can be exhausting enough.

The girls I hang with are very low maintenance, they aren't needy, and the know I'm not about that life.

I keep them laughing, keep it lighthearted, of course I'll listen to their problems before and after sex, give them actionable advice.

Sometimes all these women want are to be held by a confident and attractive man, or they just badly need an orgasm and I'm more than happy to give it to them. Hell 4 of them call me daddy and not by my real name.

I do something like Avoy does, my texts are sparing, maybe once a day.

I text all girls I'm talking to in waves, morning, noon, or post gym after work.

I don't spend much time on the details, see how their day is going and their evening schedule.

I work, lift, shower, eat, fuck, sleep.

Weekends are different, I'll lift in the AM, bang a girl the late AM, then do social stuff with friend or go for a ride on the Harley.

Quote: (01-29-2019 09:49 AM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  

It made me actually more relaxed. I don't put pussy on the pedestal anymore like I did in my early 20's. A high notch count made me actually care less about girls and fucking them in general and I can focus now more on my business. Although, I recommend it to all guys to get it out of your system and fuck a bunch of girls first before you enter an LTR. Goodlookingloser had a good article on this.

This is how I see things, the more you knock a pussy off the pedestal the better you are spotting a quality girl and won't be hungup on some loser female that ghosted on you.

Sooner or later the "Chase" slows down and you've got bigger better things in your life.

We all obsess over girls and notches when were first get into game, every single man on here evolves after a given amount of time doing this.

Quote: (01-29-2019 11:13 AM)the.king Wrote:  

Quote: (01-29-2019 10:58 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

One girl from my College had such a father. That girl took on his path, and is riding the CC like crazy.

Male promiscuity is fundamentally different than female promiscuity.

I'd say even sex itself is completely different for men than it is for women.

It 100% is different from women.

We hold ourselves to a different standard then women.


And as for the daughter who took her fathers path - that promiscuity wasn't inherited from her father's actions - it was created from how she was raised, aka poor parenting.

I have tried plates, but here are my problems with them:

1) too much work juggling and remembering all the different scenarios, and not fucking up
2) Can't really accept having to lie and cheat to them
3) Can't accept that they are swallowing other dudes loads and coming over to kiss me with that mouth
4) Can't deal with multiple sets of drama
5) A decent woman around your SMV is not going to accept being ignored and she will know you are banging others. She will dump you. PLates need to be a few points lower SMV, and who wants to bang women a few points lower than you can get?

A few other annoyances as well.

I much prefer a deeper, more honest LTR and the riches that they contain with the right woman

@RatInTheWoods, several unfounded assumptions there. Many women have low sex drive and low energy (because their career takes all their energy) and are happy with sex once a week or even once a month or two. They don’t want to bother with a boyfriend but they need sex once in a while. If you fuck them once a month, they don’t look elsewhere and they don’t really care if you cheat.