Quote: (02-13-2013 06:30 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Solid info above.

Another quick tip is to make sure to keep in mind key words. A lot of times HR, managers, or headhunters will zoom in on key words on a resume or CV. Because of that it pays to read the job description very carefully. Are there any skills that they seem to be emphasizing? Even if you're shotgunning resumes it doesn't take much time to change a word here and there. Since I don't know what field your in, it's hard to give specific examples.

About 25% of employers use software to search for keywords. I got a hack for this too. Feel free to PM.

Also, always keep a journal of what you do at work. That way you don't forget important bullets to put in your resume. And it should growing as your career does.

Quote: (02-13-2013 07:00 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (02-13-2013 06:30 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Solid info above.

Another quick tip is to make sure to keep in mind key words. A lot of times HR, managers, or headhunters will zoom in on key words on a resume or CV. Because of that it pays to read the job description very carefully. Are there any skills that they seem to be emphasizing? Even if you're shotgunning resumes it doesn't take much time to change a word here and there. Since I don't know what field your in, it's hard to give specific examples.

About 25% of employers use software to search for keywords. I got a hack for this too. Feel free to PM.

Also, always keep a journal of what you do at work. That way you don't forget important bullets to put in your resume. And it should growing as your career does.

Do you also add the key words into the cover letter as well, or would that be redundant?

If you could, any tips on writing the cover letter would be greatly appreciated. I've been sending out hundreds of applications in the last few months, with no luck whatsoever.

Quote: (02-13-2013 11:43 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

One of the great things about the RVF is the plethora of knowledge floating around on here from a diverse array of men. So, I thought I'd use it to ask a quick question...

On a C.V, or resume, should you include your D.O.B? Also, do you list education or work experience first? Basically, how should you lay it out? I know there are templates on the internet, but I'd rather hear first hand from successful people.

Cheers.

There is no need to include DOB. I'd only include it if you finished school at an accelerated pace since it would allow you to highlight this positive.

I prefer to include education first since I think it makes the CV read as a more coherent, chronological narrative but there is no right or wrong answer. It sounds like you are young so it probably makes sense to list education first.

Quote: (02-13-2013 02:37 PM)king Wrote:  

Is there any "expected" lenght on the size of a resume? I have a resume of only one page, where i list my degree, my job experience and some other skills and awards, maybe i can put some other things (which i don't consider 100% relevant) and go for 2 pages. But i have seen often large resumes of >10 pages where they list the most irrelevant things, does this impress HR or they also look at them with a critical eye?

If you are young and haven't worked for more than a couple of years, it should not be more than 1 page. It will create a negative impression if someone in their early 20s sends out a multipage resume. If you have more experience, in some professions it is standard practice to include a relevant attachment (e.g., a list of publications or a transaction list).

Considering how trivial the resume is in getting you a job, I'm always surprised at how much energy people are willing to put in to write one.

Quote: (02-14-2013 01:05 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Considering how trivial the resume is in getting you a job, I'm always surprised at how much energy people are willing to put in to write one.

Admittedly, I've gotten both of my corporate jobs through a contact at the company. However, at most big corporate behemoths, all a contact (read not a big shot contact) will do is have your resume pushed to the top of the pile. If it's not in good shape, you're most likely not going anywhere. Especially in banking/finance. These people literally rip the resumes of applicants apart. I've seen them be passed around the office with people commenting on everything from something materially weak or just some inconsistent formatting. In the corporate world, it's who you are condensed to a sheet of paper and shouldn't be taken lightly...as stupid as that may be in reality.

Quote: (02-14-2013 03:13 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2013 01:05 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Considering how trivial the resume is in getting you a job, I'm always surprised at how much energy people are willing to put in to write one.

Admittedly, I've gotten both of my corporate jobs through a contact at the company. However, at most big corporate behemoths, all a contact (read not a big shot contact) will do is have your resume pushed to the top of the pile. If it's not in good shape, you're most likely not going anywhere. Especially in banking/finance. These people literally rip the resumes of applicants apart. I've seen them be passed around the office with people commenting on everything from something materially weak or just some inconsistent formatting. In the corporate world, it's who you are condensed to a sheet of paper and shouldn't be taken lightly...as stupid as that may be in reality.

Exactly. Some recruiters will shred your resume for ONE misspelled word. The problem with online is people spam out resumes, even to jobs they aren't remotely qualified for. This puts an undue burden on HR.

It is impossible to portray ourselves on paper. My professionalism/personality kills it in interviews, but it is up to the paper recruiters see for me to even to get to that point. That is why you need to put your hear and soul into it.

Also, put your name on the files, ex. JSmith.docx. It easier for the powers that be to find your resume after they've downloaded it.

Here's some words you might want to include:

http://www.aie.org/Finding-a-career/Writ...-words.cfm

There's plenty of websites on which buzz words not to use. Google it.

For overseas companies, I include my DOB, marital status, # of kids, ect. That lets the company I have no baggage, and will look more desirable.

Keywords and all are good for getting your resume seen but once it's seen it has to grab whoever is reading it.

The best way to do this is to have a clear list of accomplishments for each job you've had. Accomplishments are different than job duties. If your job was the answer phones, then saying, "screened calls for VP", is not really an accomplishment, it was just your job. An good accomplishment is something that another person in your role wouldn't have gotten done. It's helpful to think about your job in those terms. I basically spend my day figuring out what I need to do in my current job so that my resume is as rock solid as possible for my next job.

I customise my CV depending on the job I'm applying for, I'll change the wording round my roles at my current and previous employers so they appeal to the role that I'm going for.

employer can probably work it out based on year of graduation from high school/university.

Quote: (02-14-2013 09:23 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I customise my CV depending on the job I'm applying for, I'll change the wording round my roles at my current and previous employers so they appeal to the role that I'm going for.

This is why they say looking for a job is a full time job. I'm too lazy to tailor either, unless it's a dream position.

@Thomas-I agree with you. It's better to network in than shooting out resumes. Just like gaming girls. Banging chicks in social circles is much easier than cold approaching.

Is it really necessary for my resume to "look good"? I'm thinking of using a CV generator, because I'm too lazy to write a proper resume.

Quote: (02-14-2013 05:38 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Is it really necessary for my resume to "look good"? I'm thinking of using a CV generator, because I'm too lazy to write a proper resume.

That's a great way stand out...

If you need help writing a resume, this site
is very informative.

This was meant for American style resumes though, CV's are different if I recall.

Here's a topic list on what was written in the guide:

Resume Writing Series:
What is a Killer Resume?
10 Resume Dos
10 Resume Sins
Resume Anatomy
6 Sucky Resume Words
6 Resume Action Words
8 Resume Keywords
3 Resume Formats
Free Resume Examples
Free Resume Template


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It's important you include the "keywords" from your industry in your resume. Also, make sure to use the correct resume format, depending on your needs. You're on you own for a cover letter, I'm not the best at writing those and can offer no help on that.

If you need examples of resumes, then try going to theIndeed website. Click on, "Find Resumes", then search for resumes similar to the fields you're applying to.

Many resumes written on there were done very poorly, but there are some good ones. You will have to look very hard though. I had to go through about one hundred bad ones, to find at least one that was well written.

Good luck.

Quote: (02-13-2013 11:43 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

One of the great things about the RVF is the plethora of knowledge floating around on here from a diverse array of men. So, I thought I'd use it to ask a quick question...

On a C.V, or resume, should you include your D.O.B? Also, do you list education or work experience first? Basically, how should you lay it out? I know there are templates on the internet, but I'd rather hear first hand from successful people.

Cheers.

No need for DOB.

If you have minimal experience, put the education first.

Otherwise, relevant experience trumps education, but make sure it's actually relevant. An internship at a weight loss clinic does not equal sales experience for a pharma sales gig.

Remember, a college degree is just a filter. Unless you're a biochemical engineer, a college degree just serves as proof that you can put in work, time, and are trainable.

PM me and I'll send you my resume. Before I worked for myself, I got a call for every job I applied for and I graduated in August 2008--right before the economic shit storm.

Good luck.

Quote: (02-14-2013 05:38 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Is it really necessary for my resume to "look good"? I'm thinking of using a CV generator, because I'm too lazy to write a proper resume.

You're hired!

Quote: (02-16-2013 01:30 AM)Art Pimp Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2013 05:38 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Is it really necessary for my resume to "look good"? I'm thinking of using a CV generator, because I'm too lazy to write a proper resume.

You're hired!

Ever heard o Europass CV?
you just type shit in and it gives you a CV. not the prettiest, but several HRcockblockers prefer it

Europass looks good actually, may use that in the future. I've got a job though now, accepted offer on Friday. Cheers everyone for the advice.

Quote: (02-13-2013 12:01 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

No need to include DOB. Education is listed at the very top, before work experience. This holds for CVs and resumes.

They're not supposed to ask in the U.S., but putting down age, # of dependents, and marital status can be beneficiary. Being single and no baggage makes you more marketable. HR sees you as someone that won't be leaving work all the time b/c your offspring or fat wife is sick. Plus they won't be having to pony up for more insurance, benefits. Might as well cash in on being a playboy. I have that information shown for international jobs. Recruiters will be more willing to hire than someone that has familial responsibilities.

Quote: (02-14-2013 01:05 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Considering how trivial the resume is in getting you a job, I'm always surprised at how much energy people are willing to put in to write one.

Networking is key. I've gotten more solid job leads this weekend just by calling, texting, and emailing friends/coworkers than anything found online. I also travel with a couple 1GB thumb drives with my credentials on them. It's amazing who you can come across in airport bars. I could write a book on it.

People lose/forget biz cards and bar napkins, but they will keep up with a thumb drive. Perfect way to pass along your info.

Yes. DOB is essential personal information, just like your name and status (married, single..)

Soon to be new graduate. Have a few internships (co-ops) and looking to continue doing supply chain. In Canada Ontario.

feeedback welcomed

From my experience (I've mastered the science of writing resumes) in the USA:

DOB: Never
Put experience first, then education after.

If you put education on the top, it makes you seem like a person with less real-world experience. Employers literally spend less than 7 seconds sorting through resumes. You need to put work experience first and bold out any key terms.


PM me if you want any further help.

1. Your contact information with a picture
2. Experience
2.Education
3. Relevant skills ( software, languages)
4. Reference contact info

Keep it short, one page/two pages max and I'll recommend to do the layout in powerpoint or photoshop to make it look clean and well formated.

LaTeX is sweet doc prep software-- I use it for resumes. It's open source and highly customizable.

When filling out the experience section (in the US), how much detail should be included in each position? The army told me that you should have 2 or 3 bullets of statements about responsibilities, or preferably, achievements.