Also, Chinese and Japanese civilization was created by Europeans as well.

I mean, if we're going to engage in the kind of pseudoscience seen in this thread, might as well go all the way.

It's a forum, you can say anything you want and ignore reality.

Our European ancestors built everything and can take credit for everything. Every other thing we think was built by peoples outside of Europe has a secret, hidden European connection. All IQ, all intelligence, all drive, it all comes from Europeans.

If any non-European people can be proven to have contributed anything to humanity, their ass hairs must have been blonde.

Now I just need a good spot to put my participation trophy on display. For the things I never participated in.

Haha, poor Chinese and Japanese, they think their ancestors contributed to the world, little do they know it was secret Europeans responsible for everything!

The fools.

Our ancestors were, I mean, we are, I mean, I am, so smart. Let me bask in the glory of my people's accomplishments. Defining "my people" as millions of people I've never met and whose accomplishments I had zero part in.

Bwahaha. I am so superior. Look at those lowly non-Europeans and their lack of contributions to anything. If only they knew the secret of success, of creativity, of invention.

Be European.

Someday they'll learn the truth when they read this thread and bask upon its magnificence, its truth-telling!

I'm sure plenty of people around the world have some genetic connection to Europeans, the question is why it even really matters. There are people in South India who are almost black skinned and have blue eyes (like this kid):



For all we know he has some Greek or Indo-European in him from thousands of years ago, but the presence of people like him doesn't mean that this temple (created by South Indians):

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Has anything to do with Europe or European civilization...

Groups like the Egyptians were probably brown people of a race and phenotype that doesn't exist anymore. They still clearly aren't white in the contemporary sense of the word, as literally every single depiction of themselves shows.

Using their vague genetic connection to Europe as a way of proving how genetically superior Europeans are is a logic fail and a history fail. If those European genes are so creative and superior, why weren't the pyramids built in Germany? Why were writing, irrigation, metallurgy etc invented by non-whites outside of Europe, rather than by the ancient British or Scandinavians?

One would imagine that superior genes = a constant superiority across history, but even the most basic understanding of history proves this idea completely wrong.

Quote: (12-05-2018 08:40 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Now I just need a good spot to put my participation trophy on display. For the things I never participated in.

I don't mean to derail the thread and I say this with no disrespect intended towards anybody. I'm not necessarily taking sides of what ethnicity or race the ancient people's belonged to either, I try to have an open mind about that stuff. However, I just wanted to address one point.

Spaniard, you keep going on in this thread about "participation trophies".

Can I ask you something? As an American, are you proud of America? Are you proud of your country and what it has accomplished? Despite having only participated in about 30 years of it's history (I'm assuming you're early 30's, late 20's)?

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history? Most men, and I think you'll agree, would like to raise a family and leave the next generation better off than the last. While I will never meet my Great-Great Grandkids, of course I would still prefer to have whatever work that I do in this lifetime go to benefit them. And so on down the line.

If I could help to create something of value that would be remembered 300 years from now, I would certainly want my 10th Great Grandkids to be proud of what I helped to accomplish in my lifetime, even if they played no direct part in it.

I know there's a certain thought process on here at times, with people burying themselves so deep into the self-improvement and individualistic mindset that they forget about the at large community. Hey, if that's what works for people, to each their own.

But, for those of us who are wanting to belong to a community deeply greater than individual selves, I think our ancestors would be ok with us being proud of their accomplishments and what they helped to build. That is our right to do so and increasingly, with attitudes like yours (shaming for being proud of our ethnic history), I think you'll find a lot more of us ethnic Europeans hanging up our "participation trophies" up on the wall than what you might be comfortable with.

Quote: (12-05-2018 04:21 PM)Grodin Wrote:  

Quote: (12-03-2018 11:39 AM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  





Now see Jewish skulls sharing similar features

Quote: (12-05-2018 03:12 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Here is Ramses II, he had red hair:

It all comes together now. The infamous mummy was a "red jew"? The descendents of ((Ramses II)) kept the truth



buried.

Yes. Its official, (((Ramses III)))


But on a more serious note, I think the red hair is a result of drying out and fading. you know those Pakistani men who die their beard bright red? That's because they believe the prophet had red hair, as there is a sample of his hair.

Ever see an African when his dreads get lots of salt and sun? They turn reddish.

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 08:40 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Now I just need a good spot to put my participation trophy on display. For the things I never participated in.

I don't mean to derail the thread and I say this with no disrespect intended towards anybody. I'm not necessarily taking sides of what ethnicity or race the ancient people's belonged to either, I try to have an open mind about that stuff. However, I just wanted to address one point.

Spaniard, you keep going on in this thread about "participation trophies".

Can I ask you something? As an American, are you proud of America? Are you proud of your country and what it has accomplished? Despite having only participated in about 30 years of it's history (I'm assuming you're early 30's, late 20's)?

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history? Most men, and I think you'll agree, would like to raise a family and leave the next generation better off than the last. While I will never meet my Great-Great Grandkids, of course I would still prefer to have whatever work that I do in this lifetime go to benefit them. And so on down the line.

If I could help to create something of value that would be remembered 300 years from now, I would certainly want my 10th Great Grandkids to be proud of what I helped to accomplish in my lifetime, even if they played no direct part in it.

I know there's a certain thought process on here at times, with people burying themselves so deep into the self-improvement and individualistic mindset that they forget about the at large community. Hey, if that's what works for people, to each their own.

But, for those of us who are wanting to belong to a community deeply greater than individual selves, I think our ancestors would be ok with us being proud of their accomplishments and what they helped to build. That is our right to do so and increasingly, with attitudes like yours (shaming for being proud of our ethnic history), I think you'll find a lot more of us ethnic Europeans hanging up our "participation trophies" up on the wall than what you might be comfortable with.

I don't think Spaniard is shaming you for being proud of your ethnicity. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestors and what they built.

Trying to take credit for the accomplishments of completely different civilizations (who have a vague genetic link to your ancestors) isn't pride, it's insecurity. I can be proud of my father for his accomplishments in his field. But it would be pretty strange if I took tons of pride in the accomplishments of an incredibly distant relative and used that to say that I'm genetically superior to everyone else.

That's autism, not pride. That's what most of us in this thread were calling out.

With that being said, the pride you take in the accomplishments of your ancestors should take a massive backseat to the pride you take in your own accomplishments. Being related to people who did great things is well and good, but you still did absolutely nothing to contribute to that yourself. It's like being proud of having green eyes or being tall, doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, the real winner of this thread is Built to Fade, who made the like button his bitch.

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 08:40 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Now I just need a good spot to put my participation trophy on display. For the things I never participated in.

I don't mean to derail the thread and I say this with no disrespect intended towards anybody. I'm not necessarily taking sides of what ethnicity or race the ancient people's belonged to either, I try to have an open mind about that stuff. However, I just wanted to address one point.

Spaniard, you keep going on in this thread about "participation trophies".

Can I ask you something? As an American, are you proud of America? Are you proud of your country and what it has accomplished? Despite having only participated in about 30 years of it's history (I'm assuming you're early 30's, late 20's)?

In the time I've been alive, my country, America, was responsible for the killing or massive amounts if innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. It was also responsible for gathering data, illegally, on every American citizen, and eroding more and more of the privacy of its citizens. It is also responsible, via an insatiable hunger for drugs due to the breakdown of the family structure therein, for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children in Latin America, some innocent, some not.

On the plus side, the economy has been good, which has led me, and millions of others, to live a fairly comfortable life, and for that, and for the liberties and protections we still enjoy as Americans, thanks to the sacrifices of our ancestors, I am very thankful. I am also mindful that my comfort was achieved in part to the detriment, suffering, and death, of someone else's ancestors, some of these ancestors being completely innocent of any wrongdoing.

The wifi is fast too, and the beef is of very high quality.

Am I proud of America's accomplishments, both past and present? I could be, I could take pride in them, but then for fairness, I would also have to feel shame for the evil America, like every other country, has done as well. And then I would be in the position of feeling both pride, and shame, for actions which I had no part in.

American pride and American guilt. In your case, I presume, you'd be yelling out "European Pride," then "European Guilt!" one right after the other, in repetition. That is, if you were being honest in regards to being connected to the actions of your ancestors.

Do you take shame for the evil committed by your ancestors? Or do you ignore the evil and only take pride in the good? Or do you believe that there exists a magical race/nation of people that are capable of only good and you are descended from them, therefore skipping the moral quandary above?

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history?

There's a lot you could choose to be proud of. But then if you took that route, it would only be fair to carry the shame as well. I prefer to avoid the equivalent of white guilt, and white pride as well, and evaluate what I can honestly evaluate, the actions I take in my own life.

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

But, for those of us who are wanting to belong to a community deeply greater than individual selves, I think our ancestors would be ok with us being proud of their accomplishments and what they helped to build. That is our right to do so and increasingly, with attitudes like yours (shaming for being proud of our ethnic history), I think you'll find a lot more of us ethnic Europeans hanging up our "participation trophies" up on the wall than what you might be comfortable with.

I agree, I think they would be ok with that as well. And I think they would also be ok with us taking shame in the wrongs they committed. That's what a mature human being does, take pride in his accomplishments, and feel shame in the areas where he may have failed morally.

What I see too often is people on the left taking major shame for things they had no part in, which is absurd to me, and ignoring the positives, and people on the right taking major pride in things they had no part in, which is absurd to me, and ignoring the negatives.

I prefer a more honest assessment. I suppose you could feel both pride and shame, but I'm just not too keen on feeling pride and shame for things I didn't do. What I will do is try to live a good life, judge others by their actions and accomplishments, not by the actions and accomplishments of their ancestors, and judge myself by that same yardstick, by my actions, not by the actions of my ancestors.

In any case, I think a little bit of pride in the actions of our ancestors, and a little bit of shame in the actions of our ancestors, can be perfectly healthy if it motivates us towards bettering ourselves and our community, or humanity in general.

I hope that clarifies it.

This thread is the white version of "We wuz Kangz"...

I like the theory, that it's connected to the degree of latitude, where there is an optimal balance of seasons.
Probably only those survived, who understood the meaning of "Brace yourself - winter is coming".

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history?

Europe is not a country. This is the part that I don't get.

Is there Asian pride? Does that include China, Japan, Okinawa, Vietnam etc.? No.

Why can't the European folks just stick with individual pride in each country? Wanna be proud of your French heritage, go for it. England is a hell of a lot different than Italy, so how do those two get to fall under just European?

Sounds to me like the white man needing to band together. Strength in numbers.

Also, if you support European pride, you must immediately denounce each individual countries and support open borders all over Europe. I'm sure there's a white people way of explaining why that's not true, but I call bullshit on it beforehand. You can't have it both ways.

Aloha!

Quote: (12-06-2018 03:24 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

This thread is the white version of "We wuz Kangz"...

We Wuz ViKangz.

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history?

Europe is not a country. This is the part that I don't get.

Is there Asian pride? Does that include China, Japan, Okinawa, Vietnam etc.? No.

Why can't the European folks just stick with individual pride in each country? Wanna be proud of your French heritage, go for it. England is a hell of a lot different than Italy, so how do those two get to fall under just European?

This is so incredibly intellectually dishonest. Black pride, hispanic pride and yes Asian pride to a lesser extent are bandied about continuously in America.

In the case of blacks, their connection to the motherland is far murkier than most white americans. Most are a hodgepodge of a dozen unknown tribes with 20% white thrown in. Doesn't stop them from having a very strong identity, does it?

And in the case of Hispanics, that's not even an ethnic group that existed 500 years ago. It's a byproduct of European civilization vis a vis the conquistadors.

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Sounds to me like the white man needing to band together. Strength in numbers.

No shit sherlock. If you found yourself a minority in Hawaii, you'd be be banding together with other Asians pretty quick. Historically speaking, minorities don't fair too well anywhere really. And I've heard from quite a few sources that whites get a frosty reception in HI. So there you go..

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Also, if you support European pride, you must immediately denounce each individual countries and support open borders all over Europe. I'm sure there's a white people way of explaining why that's not true, but I call bullshit on it beforehand. You can't have it both ways.

Pan-europeanism is the way forward. The various tiny nation state of Europe are too small to have much weight globally speaking. An EU without lefty belgian waffle-heads leading it would be a good thing.

Quote: (12-06-2018 03:24 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

This thread is the white version of "We wuz Kangz"...

Accept we actually WERE kings, and to this day live in a world wholly dominated by Western civilization so the comparison is comical.

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The common theme I'm saying here is the lolbertarian notion that everybody is an individual and lives entirely unto themselves. That's a fallacy. No matter your personal merits or accomplishments, you're a beneficiary of the civilization you were born into. You didn't build the roads, the internet, the system of enterprise, the legal system, a culture that values free speech and honesty, etc.

Most of the above is completely shit outside of the West. So yes, I'm proud of my civilization, my tribe, and my people. And I hang that participation trophy on my wall thank you very fucking much.

Half of European men share King Tutankhamun's DNA

https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-...OR20110801

Just bringing it in here as a side note to the interesting discussion earlier about ancient egyptians. Apparently he had haplogroup R1b1a2, which might indicate neanderthal since many other europeans today has it.

So it looks like White People are already embracing Amerindian-style ancient fallacies. Obsessing over a mystical past ("we descended from Pharaohs yo") and yet not changing the present nor future.

So in the current day an Egyptianphile is obsessing over Pyramid Drawings and then has to put on his headphones: because his white Stacey neighbor is having a 3 way with Chadullah and Tyrone and the moans go through the walls.

Then in the future year 2448: "We wuz powerful and controlled the thunder" while the last white people are herded onto reservations and outlier republics (think Poland) are probably poverty tourism destinations or Bill Gates' style charity cases.

Quote: (12-06-2018 06:39 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

So it looks like White People are already embracing Amerindian-style ancient fallacies. Obsessing over a mystical past ("we descended from Pharaohs yo") and yet not changing the present nor future.

So in the current day an Egyptianphile is obsessing over Pyramid Drawings and then has to put on his headphones: because his white Stacey neighborhood is having a 3 way with Chadullah and Tyrone and the moans go through the walls.

Then in the future year 2448: "We wuz powerful and controlled the thunder" while the last white people are herded onto reservations and outlier republics (think Poland) are probably poverty tourism destinations or Bill Gates' style charity cases.

LOL oh boy. Can't wait to see the responses to this. This is also why I generally stay out of these types of discussions as well.

Even if Europeans are the light bearers and the source of civilisation, bragging about it inevitably arouses resentment in others. Everybody dislikes the showboating showoff.

Quote: (12-06-2018 05:34 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history?

Europe is not a country. This is the part that I don't get.

Is there Asian pride? Does that include China, Japan, Okinawa, Vietnam etc.? No.

Why can't the European folks just stick with individual pride in each country? Wanna be proud of your French heritage, go for it. England is a hell of a lot different than Italy, so how do those two get to fall under just European?

This is so incredibly intellectually dishonest. Black pride, hispanic pride and yes Asian pride to a lesser extent are bandied about continuously in America.

In the case of blacks, their connection to the motherland is far murkier than most white americans. Most are a hodgepodge of a dozen unknown tribes with 20% white thrown in. Doesn't stop them from having a very strong identity, does it?

And in the case of Hispanics, that's not even an ethnic group that existed 500 years ago. It's a byproduct of European civilization vis a vis the conquistadors.

Listen junior, you are not about to fuck up my Hannukah...

It looks like you kind of just proved my point. You clearly don't give a shit about being proud that you are white. Probably because you aren't proud at all. You only want white pride because other people have their own pride. You're jealous of those guys, dick size probably has something to do with it, so you want it too.

There are thousands of organizations all over America that celebrate people's European heritage. They are doing it because, damn right, they are proud of who they are.

Every city has a French Chamber of commerce or similar, You got the goddamn St. Patricks day Parade that leaves from Irish Heritage Centers in all kinds of cities, gymnastics clubs for Czechoslovakians, all kinds of way Europeans can get together and celebrate their heritage.

I'm not saying any black or Hispanic pride organization is right or wrong, but to want to have a white pride one just because they do is intellectually dishonest. You are confusing pride with jealousy.

Quote: (12-06-2018 05:34 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

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Sounds to me like the white man needing to band together. Strength in numbers.

No shit sherlock. If you found yourself a minority in Hawaii, you'd be be banding together with other Asians pretty quick. Historically speaking, minorities don't fair too well anywhere really. And I've heard from quite a few sources that whites get a frosty reception in HI. So there you go..

Not sure why I'd side with Asians when I'm Polynesian.

And yeah, some white folks get a hard time in Hawaii. Peopleof all colors and creeds do when they walk around running their mouths and disrespecting the culture every chance they get. Respectful, well-behaved white people do just fine.

It is possible that you are banding together with other white people that have told you about the hard time they got? Maybe they came here, acted like fuck ups and got their asses handed to them. They probably saw a wonderful culture they were on the outside of for what they thought was skin color when actually they are jackasses. Maybe that culture made them a little jealous? Hmmmm I wonder what about?

So maybe instead of worrying about white pride or black pride or alien pride, you should focus a little more on Trumpian pride. You do you girl.

Back to my dreidel. Motherfucker not gonna spin itself.

Aloha!

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:37 PM)Jaxon Wrote:  



I'm sure plenty of people around the world have some genetic connection to Europeans, the question is why it even really matters. There are people in South India who are almost black skinned and have blue eyes (like this kid):

WAARDENBURG SYNDROME

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome

Quote: (12-06-2018 06:51 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Even if Europeans are the light bearers and the source of civilisation, bragging about it inevitably arouses resentment in others. Everybody dislikes the showboating showoff.

Is there really any showboating then?
My view is that the opposite seems to be true, is there really a more self-hating race than whites?
The mainstream narrative today is that men, and in particular white men, is to blame for most of the bad things that has happened throughout human history when it's actually the white European men that is to thank for most of the things we can call civilization today. Some white men obviously have had enough of being apologetic for that, which is what you're often told to be growing up nowadays.

But there seems to be some far-fetched pseudoscience and confirmation bias going on with some of this neanderthal thing.

White people do indeed need to move on from the 'glory days' and realize the perilous position they face today. I mean who really gives a shit about this Neanderthal shit. Its all speculation.

In saying that white folk need to stop letting their cunning enemies attempt to make them feel shame for their past or re-write their history so they can steal their future.

Ignore their attempts to ridicule, divide or misdirect you to individualistic nonsense if you protest. Take note of those that always seem to do so in topics like these, especially in regards to the JQ and don't always take them at face value. They are your covert enemy. They are highly dedicated and clever at what they do.

I'd like to add that when Europe was at its most dominant height, Europeans were 35-40% of the world's population.

Today Europe is in decline and European peoples are about 8% of world population.

Demographics are destiny.

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Europe is not a country. This is the part that I don't get.

Hi Kona, I think I can help here. The pride displayed here is not national pride in a country, but rather ethnic pride, specifically pride in the achievements of the indo-germanic, or now in modern times, indo-european, people. For ease of reference I shall call them germanic people. Europe, to the largest degree is the creation of the germanic people. It is them that created France (Franks), England (Angles/Saxons etc), Germany, Scandinavia, parts of European Russia (the Kievan Rus was a mix of Viking ie Germanic people), and parts of Italy and Spain (Visigoths etc).

One could say for instance that Germany was not a country until 1871, however, of course the peoples that made up Germany existed well before then, and German history extends far beyond 1871. In a sense people are not equal to 'country'. Hence the more general pride in the germanic or indo-European heritage of Europe, and the world. Did you know indo-germanic people were found in China, they are called the "Tocharians".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians

This kind of pride has had a resurgence recently with things like the discovery of the oldest representation of the moon and sky, the Sky disc of Nebra.

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Is there Asian pride? Does that include China, Japan, Okinawa, Vietnam etc.? No.

There is Asian pride actually, in a general sense. The Asian people were very susceptible to Japanese invocations of Asian nationalism during WWII, and subsequent Asian nationalism overthrew the British in Malaysia, Indonesia and other parts of Asia. It's slightly different because the development of nationalism in China, Philippines etc is in an earlier stage to that of Europe.

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Why can't the European folks just stick with individual pride in each country? Wanna be proud of your French heritage, go for it. England is a hell of a lot different than Italy, so how do those two get to fall under just European?

Both England and Italy share a migration history, not just the Romans invading Britain, but also germanic people related to the Angles and Saxons invaded Italy. Both countries are European, but that's not just a geographic term, but also one that links history, blood and sentiment.

Quote: (12-06-2018 04:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:59 PM)Uprising Wrote:  

If you are indeed proud of your country's history, then why can't we be proud of our European history?

Europe is not a country. This is the part that I don't get.

Is there Asian pride? Does that include China, Japan, Okinawa, Vietnam etc.? No.

Why can't the European folks just stick with individual pride in each country? Wanna be proud of your French heritage, go for it. England is a hell of a lot different than Italy, so how do those two get to fall under just European?

Sounds to me like the white man needing to band together. Strength in numbers.

Also, if you support European pride, you must immediately denounce each individual countries and support open borders all over Europe. I'm sure there's a white people way of explaining why that's not true, but I call bullshit on it beforehand. You can't have it both ways.

Aloha!

Do they really teach so little about European history in US schools? I know you got the whole "big dick swinging drive-by troll post" thing down pat by now but maybe, I don't know, just leave it with subjects you're clearly not very familiar with, lest you make a fool of yourself.

Quote: (12-06-2018 07:37 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2018 09:37 PM)Jaxon Wrote:  



I'm sure plenty of people around the world have some genetic connection to Europeans, the question is why it even really matters. There are people in South India who are almost black skinned and have blue eyes (like this kid):

WAARDENBURG SYNDROME

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome

Are you seriously claiming that every single non-white person with blue eyes is mentally retarded? Yeah it's not common but it can still happen naturally. In many cases it may well signify some distant Caucasian ancestry.

That still doesn't mean that the accomplishments of a non-white civilization that includes blue-eyed people has jack shit to do with white Europeans.

Like I said, no one cares if you want to have pride in being white, I certainly don't. If you draw personal comfort and self esteem for it, go ahead.

That's an entirely different from "we wuz Kangz" BS where you're trying to claim that Mongolians, Egyptians, etc are white people and how that somehow demonstrates that white people are superior. "We wuz Kangz" is laughable bullshit whether it comes from blacks or from whites.

Quote: (12-06-2018 05:34 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

This is so incredibly intellectually dishonest. Black pride, hispanic pride and yes Asian pride to a lesser extent are bandied about continuously in America.

In the case of blacks, their connection to the motherland is far murkier than most white americans. Most are a hodgepodge of a dozen unknown tribes with 20% white thrown in. Doesn't stop them from having a very strong identity, does it?

And in the case of Hispanics, that's not even an ethnic group that existed 500 years ago. It's a byproduct of European civilization vis a vis the conquistadors.

Like I said, no one except for extreme libtards cares about you being proud of being white. But there's a massive difference between ethnic pride and claiming that Genghis Khan was a ginger to justify why your people are better than everyone else.

Quote: (12-06-2018 05:34 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Accept we actually WERE kings, and to this day live in a world wholly dominated by Western civilization so the comparison is comical.

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The common theme I'm saying here is the lolbertarian notion that everybody is an individual and lives entirely unto themselves. That's a fallacy. No matter your personal merits or accomplishments, you're a beneficiary of the civilization you were born into. You didn't build the roads, the internet, the system of enterprise, the legal system, a culture that values free speech and honesty, etc.

Most of the above is completely shit outside of the West. So yes, I'm proud of my civilization, my tribe, and my people. And I hang that participation trophy on my wall thank you very fucking much.

Sure, but this wasn't always the case. In fact, it wasn't the case for about 4800 years of human history, which is why the genetic explanation is a poor one. It also proves that things can change constantly and rapidly. Sweden is probably one of the best places to live in the world right now. Prior to the 1930's this wasn't the case, prior to the Renaissance it was a barbaric hellhole that was objectively a worse place to live than China or the Middle East. It was in this state for thousands and thousands of years before changing somewhat abruptly.

The argument here isn't that Europeans were dominant recently, they obviously were. The argument here is about whether is this is because of genetic superiority. As I said earlier, you guys would have a point if civilization was completely generated by Europeans and all of history was them winning across the world. This obviously did not happen, which is why guys like you feel the need to make up stories about ginger Mongols and white Egyptians. If you have to make up history to support your argument, it's a shitty argument, full stop.

This also isn't very good logic, sure non-whites enjoy the benefits of European civilization, but European civilization also wouldn't exist without the inventions of non-whites either. "You" didn't invent irrigation, civilization, metallurgy, the wheel, gunpowder, etc without which your culture wouldn't exist.

Quote: (12-06-2018 06:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Listen junior, you are not about to fuck up my Hannukah...

It looks like you kind of just proved my point. You clearly don't give a shit about being proud that you are white. Probably because you aren't proud at all. You only want white pride because other people have their own pride. You're jealous of those guys, dick size probably has something to do with it, so you want it too.

There are thousands of organizations all over America that celebrate people's European heritage. They are doing it because, damn right, they are proud of who they are.

Every city has a French Chamber of commerce or similar, You got the goddamn St. Patricks day Parade that leaves from Irish Heritage Centers in all kinds of cities, gymnastics clubs for Czechoslovakians, all kinds of way Europeans can get together and celebrate their heritage.

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So maybe instead of worrying about white pride or black pride or alien pride, you should focus a little more on Trumpian pride. You do you girl.

Translation: collectivism and group identity is okay for everyone else, but the white man must forge his individual identity and thus accept individual responsibility at all times; thus, if a white man points out that black pride, Hispanic pride, etc. a) exist and b) do in fact pose an undeniable threat to white cultures and white populations, then he's just a loser who'd too weak or stupid to take care of himself. "Whites are doing fine, you're just a little bitch" is an argument I've seen repeatedly on this forum and elsewhere, and I think the reasons whites have come to accept it are very complex.

As far as white people in North America being allowed to have French pride, Irish pride, Italian, etc., the problem is that many whites are no longer connected to their national ancestry, either because they are a mixture of several types of European or because being American, Canadian, etc. has over generations displaced Italian, Irish, etc. as their source of identity. The result is that most North Americans are only allowed any kind of group identity if they are non-white.

Quote: (12-06-2018 06:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  

I'm not saying any black or Hispanic pride organization is right or wrong, but to want to have a white pride one just because they do is intellectually dishonest. You are confusing pride with jealousy.

You are confusing the legitimate desire for self-preservation with jealousy. When whites see non-whites being afforded a tribal identity while we are denied same, we do not feel jealous, we feel threatened because there is a threat being made against us. More name-calling bullshit arguments.

Quote: (12-06-2018 06:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  

And yeah, some white folks get a hard time in Hawaii. People of all colors and creeds do when they walk around running their mouths and disrespecting the culture every chance they get. Respectful, well-behaved white people do just fine.

It is possible that you are banding together with other white people that have told you about the hard time they got? Maybe they came here, acted like fuck ups and got their asses handed to them. They probably saw a wonderful culture they were on the outside of for what they thought was skin color when actually they are jackasses. Maybe that culture made them a little jealous? Hmmmm I wonder what about?

Try saying "Respectful, well-behaved blacks do just fine in America" and see where it lands you. "Is it possible blacks and Hispanics see our culture, feel a little jealous, then act like fuckups?"

I personally don't take pride in being white, just like I don't take pride in being tall or having an above average IQ. These are accidents of birth, but they are still my birthright, my inheritance, and the type of bullshit being spewed here and elsewhere is part of a bigger agenda to rob me of that.

As far as my being able to understand all this thanks to a high degree of Neanderthal admixture, I don't think that argument entirely stands up since Mesoamerican peoples have a high degree of same and all it got them was diabetes.

Quote: (12-06-2018 01:12 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

Translation: collectivism and group identity is okay for everyone else, but the white man must forge his individual identity and thus accept individual responsibility at all times; thus, if a white man points out that black pride, Hispanic pride, etc. a) exist and b) do in fact pose an undeniable threat to white cultures and white populations, then he's just a loser who'd too weak or stupid to take care of himself. "Whites are doing fine, you're just a little bitch" is an argument I've seen repeatedly on this forum and elsewhere, and I think the reasons whites have come to accept it are very complex.

As far as white people in North America being allowed to have French pride, Irish pride, Italian, etc., the problem is that many whites are no longer connected to their national ancestry, either because they are a mixture of several types of European or because being American, Canadian, etc. has over generations displaced Italian, Irish, etc. as their source of identity. The result is that most North Americans are only allowed any kind of group identity if they are non-white.

Obviously whites should be proud of their collective heritage. How would the white race survive otherwise? But as several other posters have already pointed out, there's no need to buttress that pride with fake history.

Can't white people just take pride in their historical experience and not try to simplify everything into some combination of Neanderthal genes or Industrial Revolution?

How much do whites today, including white nationalists, know or care about the contributions of European kings and Roman emperors, or the Greek and Christian philosophers? I don't think white culture would be worth much without them, regardless what arguments you can come up with to "prove" superior genetics or an inherent technological edge. Without the whole moral system created by European civilization, as well as its artistic traditions, Western culture would be low-class and barbaric.

A lot of white nationalists don't seem to care about the actual contributions of white Western culture and just want to take pride in the fact that they were the first ones to use science and bring other countries to heel. It's like a kid playing a four-player console FPS who becomes the first to pick up the overpowered rocket launcher/MG combo, get a killstreak against everyone else in the room for a few rounds, think it was because he's actually a better player, and be disappointed when he loses the weapon to someone else. The arrogance is astounding. In fact, this intellectual habit is most strong demonstrated across the Left (we'll just enlighten and liberate these backwards reactionaries using our scientific socioeconomic theories) as well, and is behind the ongoing ruin of Western civilization.

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I personally don't take pride in being white, just like I don't take pride in being tall or having an above average IQ. These are accidents of birth, but they are still my birthright, my inheritance, and the type of bullshit being spewed here and elsewhere is part of a bigger agenda to rob me of that.

There's definitely an ideological agenda to erase white culture, but the root isn't that other races are competing to destroy whites. Other races just try to look out for their group interests, as is natural. The ones giving minorities endless handicaps are the corrupt corporatists and academics who don't actually care about them, but value them for their rootlessness. Simply put, they hope to use minorities, sexual deviants, and anti-theism to destroy the roots of all civilizations and make everyone imbecilic slaves to their system.