>>You said that you don't know how successful these "sophisticated Turks" are with women at your chose social activity, so how do you know they are not sleazy types as is the status quo?
Maybe you don't know how to behave in certain social situations. I'm certainly not going to ask some guy that I just met at, let's say, a chess group, "hey, you making any headway with the women here?" But In all likelihood, these Turks are looking for wives. Most of them seem to be involved with business in Ukraine, though I don't pump for details since I'm focussed on the activity and don't much care about these Turks and what their goals are.
In case you don't know, Turkey does a huge amount of business with Ukraine. For example, I've noticed a lot of plumbing fixtures, doors, elevators and similar construction material in newer buildings is made in Turkey. I also know Turks are heavily involved in the financing, construction and owning of new buildings. One of the 3 big Telecom networks is Turkish owned. Probably a lot of these higher class Turks are thinking of combining business and pleasure by marrying a Ukrainian woman to get Ukrainian residency and better insider connection to Ukrainian society, to improve their ability to do business there. These tend to be secular Turks and having an escape route in case Erdogan gets really extreme is added motivation to make a Ukrainian connection.
As for me, I look western European. I easily pass as a native in France, since highest percentage ancestry from there, but could also easily be northern Spanish or northern Italian, maybe western German. One person who could easily pass for a Turk is the owner of this forum, with or without his beard. He didn't seem to have problems with women in Ukraine on account of his looks, as I recall from Bang Ukraine which I read long ago.
Probably there are lower class Turks who fly to Kyiv with their 6 months savings, sleep 10 to a room in some cheap shared apartment owned and managed by some other Turk, hassle women in the street for freebies, go on mongering missions to the local whore bars, strip clubs, apartment brothels, etc. That's not my thing, so I never encounter such Turks.
I was recently in Bulgaria, which has a substantial ethnic Turkish population, especially in the eastern Rhdopes. My impression of both the people and their villages was very favorable. (By contrast, never have I seen such absolute rabble as the ethnic gypsies of Bulgaria.) I also spent some time traveling in Turkey long ago (even learned about 500 words of Turkish), which also gave me a favorable impression of middle class and higher Turks. So maybe I am a little biased in favor of Turks, though of course I'm more biased in favor of slavs, which is why I send my 90 days outside Schengen in Ukraine rather than Turkey.
Maybe you don't know how to behave in certain social situations. I'm certainly not going to ask some guy that I just met at, let's say, a chess group, "hey, you making any headway with the women here?" But In all likelihood, these Turks are looking for wives. Most of them seem to be involved with business in Ukraine, though I don't pump for details since I'm focussed on the activity and don't much care about these Turks and what their goals are.
In case you don't know, Turkey does a huge amount of business with Ukraine. For example, I've noticed a lot of plumbing fixtures, doors, elevators and similar construction material in newer buildings is made in Turkey. I also know Turks are heavily involved in the financing, construction and owning of new buildings. One of the 3 big Telecom networks is Turkish owned. Probably a lot of these higher class Turks are thinking of combining business and pleasure by marrying a Ukrainian woman to get Ukrainian residency and better insider connection to Ukrainian society, to improve their ability to do business there. These tend to be secular Turks and having an escape route in case Erdogan gets really extreme is added motivation to make a Ukrainian connection.
As for me, I look western European. I easily pass as a native in France, since highest percentage ancestry from there, but could also easily be northern Spanish or northern Italian, maybe western German. One person who could easily pass for a Turk is the owner of this forum, with or without his beard. He didn't seem to have problems with women in Ukraine on account of his looks, as I recall from Bang Ukraine which I read long ago.
Probably there are lower class Turks who fly to Kyiv with their 6 months savings, sleep 10 to a room in some cheap shared apartment owned and managed by some other Turk, hassle women in the street for freebies, go on mongering missions to the local whore bars, strip clubs, apartment brothels, etc. That's not my thing, so I never encounter such Turks.
I was recently in Bulgaria, which has a substantial ethnic Turkish population, especially in the eastern Rhdopes. My impression of both the people and their villages was very favorable. (By contrast, never have I seen such absolute rabble as the ethnic gypsies of Bulgaria.) I also spent some time traveling in Turkey long ago (even learned about 500 words of Turkish), which also gave me a favorable impression of middle class and higher Turks. So maybe I am a little biased in favor of Turks, though of course I'm more biased in favor of slavs, which is why I send my 90 days outside Schengen in Ukraine rather than Turkey.
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