I've been suspecting this for a while, but the last several girls that I've banged have really tuned me into the possibility that game, as we know it, doesn't work nearly as much as we like to think it does.

Hear me out.

I've mentioned in other threads that after banging, I always get mad philosophical and always end up--despite my best efforts--breaking down how we arrived at the bang. Almost every time, though, these girls are like, "I liked how you had your hair" or "your outfit was super cool." A lot of girls tell me that they just happened to be "ready" (horny) to meet somebody. I always interrogate them about specific game issues, my approach, my logistics, etc. and they're like, "nah." At first, I dismissed it as chicks just being typically clueless, but the chorus has been getting louder and louder. It's getting hard to reconcile.

I've held back on posting this, but I'm seriously starting to think that, while game might help a tiny bit (mainly by forcing you to be around girls), in the end it's looks, height, and (yes) race that matter most. If you use the search feature and look up all the threads where this comes up, most of the members on here are over 6' tall and, I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar, pretty good-looking guys.

I know this sounds weird coming from me, but I thought it was worthy of its own thread.

the first thing i'm thinking about after a bang is what excuse am i going to be able to use to get out of spending the night with this broad...

is there a definition of game ? does game = alpha - if we can proceed with that assumption. game has helped hundreds of thousands of men. the moment that i realized that i can be my authentic self. instead of the washed down beta pussy this society wants men to be. was the moment i began doubling my income and doubling my bangs annually. i have a confidence and attitude that is more about a lifestyle than anything else. this translates to how i interact with other men, my business affairs and of course women.

of course looks, height matter. but game helps guys pull way better broads.

question: do you think your interrogations after the fact have messed up any future encounters ?

You're going down the dangerous road of declaring game to be a social construct.

hafd

Game denier troll. April fool's?

Tuthmosis before we continue with this, are you just fooling us around or are you being for real?

Just to be clear, I'm not denying game or calling it a "social construct," I'm just saying that maybe we're massively overestimating its effectiveness. I'm arguing for the primacy of looks.

Can you honestly say that you know ugly-ass dudes who are pulling fine tail with game? No. It's always already good-looking guys finally recognizing the power of their looks. That's really all that game does: help you see what you already have in the tank. Let's be real here.

And, I already know what you're going to say. What about dudes with "social proof" who are notoriously ugly. They almost always have some aspect of looks, like height, to bolster their so-called status.

Example:

   

I think Matt Damon said it best, "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck with game."

Quote: (04-01-2012 10:59 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Just to be clear, I'm not denying game or calling it a "social construct," I'm just saying that maybe we're massively overestimating its effectiveness. I'm arguing for the primacy of looks.

Can you honestly say that you know ugly-ass dudes who are pulling fine tail with game? No. It's always already good-looking guys finally recognizing the power of their looks. That's really all that game does: help you see what you already have in the tank. Let's be real here.

And, I already know what you're going to say. What about dudes with "social proof" who are notoriously ugly. They almost always have some aspect of looks, like height, to bolster their so-called status.

Example:

What we get in life IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE is all about perspective. Why do you think guys from poorer countries kill it when they come to Western countries i.e North America?

Do these guys look more good looking than the average cat on here? When you work the numbers, the psychology then game allows certain things to kick in.

Women want dyck. We are not talking about relationships here. We are just talking about a fcuk which is based off a strong desire and instinct.
If a woman needs some dyck and you sell that shyt the right way (game), your odds WILL improve.

Humans are humans. Once you understand the dynamics of how to trigger their needs and wants (game), you will have a better result.

Anyways, this is an April fool's troll post

It all comes down to what definition of "Game" you hold. If Game to you is reading whatever pick up/dating book published out there and regurgitating every line in it, then yes, that will not work regardless of your looks, as it will come off as unnatural/forced.

However, if Game to you is learning how women behave, becoming more confident with your social skills, more confident with your looks, and ultimately using all that in a way that only works for YOU, and you're comfortable with it, not having to switch gears/modes during the day/night, then yes Game will work for you, regardless of looks.

In fact, just yesterday, i met two women (7 and 8) at two different venues, and i was surprised to what they BOTH told me. They said that they were intimidated by me, because on top of my good looks/height, i was giving off an extremely dominant, alpha vibe (they didn't say alpha, more like confident), so that made me ask myself, could that be somewhat of a reason that i might've missed out on couple of bangs?

So i am neutral when it comes to looks and game, and recent events have put in my mind the idea that sometimes being good looking combined with alpha vibe can throw some women into havoc.

I'm an ugly older man. Sometimes I'm in my groove and pull well above my looks. And above my income. In fact I've come to expect it and only shoot way out of my league. Oh, and I'm short and balding.

I was doing that before I heard of game. I started to do it more consistently after I'd been with a few dozen women and my social skills and knowledge of them went up. Along with my confidence, born from experience.

I think of game as everything that helps to build attraction, so that would include looks and money, but if you have the more popular limited definition that game includes only your speech and mannerisms, I'd have to say that even just that can make a big difference.

The thing is though that if all you have is speech and manerisms, you'll have to target more carefully, as your appeal won't be as broad. However without even that psychological skill, you may as well just target hookers.

Everything counts. There are many things women find attractive. A big dick can go a long way. A pretty face can go a long way. Money can go a long way. Making girls laugh can go a long way. You can sometimes rely on just one single good trick. But our game is stronger the more attraction triggers we can simultaneously push - including the provider trigger buttons.

Of course it's easier for uglier guys to date young hotties if in SE Asia, where I live, however the females here are still humans, and to rev their motors requires the same procedures as getting females anywhere hot and bothered. To get genuine strong emotion from a young hottie is a definite skill. A skill you get better at with experience.

I think what is taught of as game is really just peoples experience codified. A lot of it is not actually helpful, in that it won't be transferrable from one person to the other, as we have different personalities, however the overarching architecture of females is a cross-cultural constant we can rely on. And game includes discussing that architecture.

Haha.. nice one.

Happy April fool's.

I'm probably a good example of the difference game can make. I've been told be a few girls that I'm handsome, but I also think girls will blow your value way out of proportion if you game them enough. If you have good game, and good body language, girls will be attracted to you. But, they don't know what it is that makes you attractive, so they'll say you are "handsome" or something.

Besides, even handsome, rich, or tall guys have to run DFTU game.

I completely reversed the script on Friday night with this Russian girl. I told her I needed a place to stay in the city for the night. The whole night she thought I was making out with her just so I could have a place to stay! She was like, "you could have had your pick of any of the other girls tonight.."

I couldn't even drink more beers because she implied that I was just doing it to get drunk enough so that I'd find her bangable!

Let's be real-real here. Here's an actual picture of me getting ready to go out a couple of weeks ago. (Look at it now because I plan on taking it down pretty quickly, for obvious reasons.) I cut out the background because some of my buddies were chilling back there. I sometimes wear the head-piece out on "daygame expeditions" to "peacock," but it generally does more harm than good. I introduce myself as "Tuthmosis the Great" and the chicks usually laugh in my face. I used to think this was "game," but it's really just me presenting my looks--my physique and face--in a comical way.

As you can see, my looks easily put me in the top 1 percent of guys in the US. Despite whatever "game" I have, I attribute my success to that.

   

Quote: (04-01-2012 10:59 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Just to be clear, I'm not denying game or calling it a "social construct," I'm just saying that maybe we're massively overestimating its effectiveness. I'm arguing for the primacy of looks.

Can you honestly say that you know ugly-ass dudes who are pulling fine tail with game? No. It's always already good-looking guys finally recognizing the power of their looks. That's really all that game does: help you see what you already have in the tank. Let's be real here.

And, I already know what you're going to say. What about dudes with "social proof" who are notoriously ugly. They almost always have some aspect of looks, like height, to bolster their so-called status.

Example:

Ha- it looks like LeBron has hover hand in that picture!

Also, Tuthmosis, I dare you to actually go out as Tuthmosis and approach girls without breaking it off.

Quote: (04-01-2012 11:26 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you have good game, and good body language, girls will be attracted to you. But, they don't know what it is that makes you attractive, so they'll say you are "handsome" or something.

Most of my girlfriends have called me ugly and told me that they don't know why they love me. They claim I have powers of voodoo, and are genuinely puzzled.

I find it very immature to be creating such threads to waste other people time, i thought this was a grown men forum.

Quote: (04-01-2012 11:41 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

Quote: (04-01-2012 11:26 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you have good game, and good body language, girls will be attracted to you. But, they don't know what it is that makes you attractive, so they'll say you are "handsome" or something.

Most of my girlfriends have called me ugly and told me that they don't know why they love me. They claim I have powers of voodoo, and are genuinely puzzled.

Yes, the whole night this girl was giving me shit like crazy! At one point I think she called me an asshole. I gave her an offended look, paused and said something like "How dare you. I'm the biggest asshole, not just a run-of-the-mill asshole." It was agree and amplify all night.

I couldn't help but grin every time because I new that it meant the deal was sealed.

In the morning, she kept saying stuff like "how did I end up sleeping with you?" "you're sneaky" . I told her I was 'the most' sneaky, etc.

I've noticed that Russian girls are non-stop with the bitchiness and shit-testing. I think this is normal for them, so don't be daunted.

I'm not sure if Tuth is playing an April Fool's Joke or not. His post is still sensible however. He's not saying game is irrelevant, but he's saying some guy's may be over-valuing how much it contributes to their success.

Let's be real here, if tomorrow you had the choice of waking up as:
1) Tall, chiseled body and GQ looks but with so-so game, or
2) Good game, but short, pudgy and not so attractive.

Which would you choose? Be honest now. Who do you think is going to pull higher quality ass?

What do you mean by attractive? Women don't understand what they are talking about when they say a guy is "hot" most of the time.

Having good game = being attractive to women.

Of course height, physique, etc. can make things easier, but you don't need them to a) get laid often, b) bang attractive girls.

I agree. This is the only reason I get laid:

There's a documentary about this; it's called "Science of Sex Appeal". Check it on Youtube.

It basically says that if you have the looks, the money, and status, you're attractive to women.

And if this is an April Fools joke, the joke is on the OP ;-)

Dude even most girls don't get game and they def won't admit to that being the reason they banged you.. they will try to justify it with the way your hair was or blah blah blah...at the end of the day most these bitches don't even know why they like us they just do, same reason they fall out of their white knight beta and just can't tell their girlfriends the reason..ie- "I don't love him anymore, I don't know why, I want to but I just don't"...because its wired in their brains to love an alpha, even if they don't know what the f that is.

To me, game is simple: it's about being a leader, and demonstrating that leadership in every way possible.

We're still who we were 250,000 years ago -- small bands and tribes struggling to survive and reproduce. The tribes with the best leaders survive; the tribes with the weakest don't. This fundamental reality is hard wired into womens' brains.

So in every interaction with a woman, display leadership. Leaders convey confidence, self-sufficiency. They are dominant. Looks, money, the outward trappings of status -- they help, but they are secondary, and you can succeed without them.

But if you don't display the qualities of leadership, your dick will stay dry.

Quote: (04-01-2012 01:03 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

Dude even most girls don't get game and they def won't admit to that being the reason they banged you.. they will try to justify it with the way your hair was or blah blah blah...at the end of the day most these bitches don't even know why they like us they just do, same reason they fall out of their white knight beta and just can't tell their girlfriends the reason..ie- "I don't love him anymore, I don't know why, I want to but I just don't"...because its wired in their brains to love an alpha, even if they don't know what the f that is.

Never believe what women say -- or rather be highly skeptical of all their statements about men and relationships.

But always believe what they do.

I have the worst game on this forum, and worse game than 99% of guys, yet I still attract women. Last night a 7 was checking me out at a club, and on the way home on the train a 7 with an 8 body with big tits kept checking me out, with her body pointing towards me while playing with her hair. I felt her eyes on me constantly. Too bad I freeze.

Game helps, no doubt, but if a chick isn't attracted to you, there's nothing you can do about it. I see game as helping build what is already there, and keeping the upperhand.