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Cairo, Egypt
#1

Cairo, Egypt

Looking for some infomation on Cairo from guys who have either lived or visited there. Both in terms of gaming girls and how the city is in general as a tourist.

I do NOT expect to be gaming local muslim girls very much for obvious reasons, but wanted to know the low down on approaching tourists girls and local non-muslims. Is this feasible or not ?

Also am interested in general information as a tourist and with regards to safety. Is Cairo worth visiting ? Will I have an interesting time there ? Is it a safe place to walk around alone (including at night) ?

I am quite well travelled and wanted to know if it's any better/worse, and more or less dangerous than say Morocco and/or Turkey ?

Thanks
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#2

Cairo, Egypt

forget egyptian girls.i talked to a girl for 6 months.she didnt even let me kiss her when i met her.sex before marriage is a big taboo in egypt.people do not even kiss or hold hand until married.she was a christian as well.your best bet is to meet them outside egypt where they are much more chill
as for sightseeing go to luxor or aswan.Cairo is no fun
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#3

Cairo, Egypt

I spent maybe three days in Cairo total and three months in Alexandria learning Arabic. Cairo is an absolute shitshow filled with greedy schmucks trying to con any foreigner out of evsry dime he has (not sure whether things changed post Egyptian spring or not). Sure, every tourist trap is filled with touts etc. but Cairo takes it to a whole new level. I felt violated walking down the street and I'm not even white. Sure there's some cool things to see and great history but the environment was pretty toxic.
I do not hesitate in saying that it is the worst city I've been to thus far.

Alexandria is about just over 200 km from Cairo but I found it to be very pleasant. Egyptians can be ostensibly abrupt but are extremely hospitable in reality. I wouldn't auggest it for women or quick lays either. The only time you might go to Egypt to find a women is if you've a 40+ Muslim and looking for a wife in her mid-thirties. At that point, if you spend a couple of months in a nice tier II city and show yourself to be a man of value locals will happily find you an "older" women to be your wife even if you aren't Egyptian (as long as you're not black).

P.S. France is best for North African women and if you want something more authentic, Morocco is def the way to go.
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#4

Cairo, Egypt

Quote: (10-17-2018 12:14 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

forget egyptian girls.i talked to a girl for 6 months.she didnt even let me kiss her when i met her.
she was a christian as well.

From the way you wrote this it sounds like you talked to her online for 6 months before ever meeting her in person, and then expected her to kiss you on the 1st real life meeting. That's the wrong way to do it. You need to go out on at least 3 or 4 dates before you can escalate with a conservative girl like that.


Quote: (10-17-2018 12:14 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

Cairo is no fun

Can you elaborate why ?
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#5

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Quote: (10-17-2018 02:42 PM)MANic Wrote:  

Sure, every tourist trap is filled with touts etc. but Cairo takes it to a whole new level. I felt violated walking down the street and I'm not even white. Sure there's some cool things to see and great history but the environment was pretty toxic.
I do not hesitate in saying that it is the worst city I've been to thus far.


Do you the touts in Cairo pester you everywhere ?
I ran into them in Turkey and Morocco but only in certain areas like transport hubs, big shopping areas and major tourist sites.
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#6

Cairo, Egypt

Quote: (10-17-2018 04:08 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2018 12:14 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

forget egyptian girls.i talked to a girl for 6 months.she didnt even let me kiss her when i met her.
she was a christian as well.

From the way you wrote this it sounds like you talked to her online for 6 months before ever meeting her in person, and then expected her to kiss you on the 1st real life meeting. That's the wrong way to do it. You need to go out on at least 3 or 4 dates before you can escalate with a conservative girl like that.


Quote: (10-17-2018 12:14 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

Cairo is no fun

Can you elaborate why ?


why would i waste 3-4 dates,i webcammed with that girl as well, so our rapport was strong,she clearly was not willing to put out due to cultural differences, she knew i was gonna leave after a few days, besides the social pressure is huge in egypt
anyway she married a local egyptian dude a few months after i met her,

waiting for girls is beta ,unless they are virgin. even then they can still put out if they really like you. imo a girl decides to sleep with you or not the first few minutes of a interaction.a girl not putting out means either religious/social pressure or she simply is friendzoning you,considering the ammount of time i spent chatting her im not surprised if she decided to put me in friend zone
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#7

Cairo, Egypt

I’m Egyptian, only slept with foreigners there until I gave up and left. Don’t waste your time!
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#8

Cairo, Egypt

I was in Egypt for a month in September and went to Cairo for a day to do the obligatory tourist stuff.

The tourists who visit are pretty closely guarded and we had a dude with a machine gun with us and there are police checkpoints to control access to all the touristy sites, hotels, etc. I left to go to a cafe to get an espresso and they chased me down and disuaded me from going because I'm not sure why exactly. Some bullshit about safety, etc.

In addition, Cairo is a huge clusterfuck of a city with glacial traffic. Takes forever to get anywhere.

That's my very limited impression from spending a day there. I saw very little talent.
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#9

Cairo, Egypt

Quote: (10-17-2018 04:12 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2018 02:42 PM)MANic Wrote:  

Sure, every tourist trap is filled with touts etc. but Cairo takes it to a whole new level. I felt violated walking down the street and I'm not even white. Sure there's some cool things to see and great history but the environment was pretty toxic.
I do not hesitate in saying that it is the worst city I've been to thus far.


Do you the touts in Cairo pester you everywhere ?
I ran into them in Turkey and Morocco but only in certain areas like transport hubs, big shopping areas and major tourist sites.

They seemed to be everywhere. Hell, even regular Joes would try something once they confirmed your were a tourist.

The post above me is probably more accurate now. When I went it was a regular shithole not a super dangerous one.
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#10

Cairo, Egypt

Quote: (10-17-2018 04:48 PM)edlefou Wrote:  

In addition, Cairo is a huge clusterfuck of a city with glacial traffic. Takes forever to get anywhere.


Cairo has a metro (subway) system with 3 different lines and more extensions planned.
Surely this should making getting around easier ?


[Image: cairo_metro_map.png]




Same metro map as above with geographic layout
(Note - Green line 3 on this map below has 2 extensions west of the Nile river, which are not built or finished yet)

[Image: CAIRO_METRO.jpg]
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#11

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Quote: (10-17-2018 04:24 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

why would i waste 3-4 dates,i webcammed with that girl as well, so our rapport was strong,she clearly was not willing to put out due to cultural differences, she knew i was gonna leave after a few days, besides the social pressure is huge in egypt
anyway she married a local egyptian dude a few months after i met her,

waiting for girls is beta ,unless they are virgin. even then they can still put out if they really like you. imo a girl decides to sleep with you or not the first few minutes of a interaction.a girl not putting out means either religious/social pressure or she simply is friendzoning you,considering the ammount of time i spent chatting her im not surprised if she decided to put me in friend zone

Exactly.
6 months of online chatting/webcamming would be the much bigger waste of time in my eyes, and it would probably be a main factor that would cause any girl to friendzone a guy when she finally meets him.

For me, 3 real life dates is a much better investment both for practicing my game techniques in the real world, and getting to know and escalating with a potentially quality girl.


Quote: (10-17-2018 04:28 PM)Aviel Wrote:  

I’m Egyptian, only slept with foreigners there until I gave up and left. Don’t waste your time!


Many western men have only slept with foreign girls in their own countries.
This is the reality for men worldwide now, not just in Egypt.


Quote: (10-18-2018 01:10 AM)MANic Wrote:  

They seemed to be everywhere. Hell, even regular Joes would try something once they confirmed your were a tourist.

Hmmmm....it would put me off for sure if I was being hassled everywhere I went. I try not to look or dress like a tourist, but if it's really this bad with the touts I may have to reconsider.


Quote: (10-17-2018 04:48 PM)edlefou Wrote:  

The tourists who visit are pretty closely guarded and we had a dude with a machine gun with us and there are police checkpoints to control access to all the touristy sites, hotels, etc. I left to go to a cafe to get an espresso and they chased me down and disuaded me from going because I'm not sure why exactly. Some bullshit about safety, etc.

Quote: (10-18-2018 01:10 AM)MANic Wrote:  

The post above me is probably more accurate now. When I went it was a regular shithole not a super dangerous one.


Whoa...do the above 2 posts mean it's not safe to walk anywhere on your own ?
Or is this just part of the rules of tourgroups ?

I would definetly not visit Cairo if it's so dangerous that I can't walk around on my own.
I hate organised tours.
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#12

Cairo, Egypt

You could probably walk solo but there is a chance, a very slim one, of danger. Similar to most African countries... Get sent to Lagos for work and you'll be met by 4 huge heavily armed guards even if you're just mid-tier management.

Regardless, if you're a vanilla tourist looking for mild adventure + game than Morocco is the way to go (pretty scenic as well). If you're just looking for adventure give Cairo a try - massive city and as soon as you exit the tourist zone there should be adventure out there
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#13

Cairo, Egypt

All you need to get laid is money, a good car and ready, as social circle is important, and girls meet by close social circles and family acquaitances, being wealthier than average (or looking like that) will be a very shortway to success..
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#14

Cairo, Egypt

Quote: (10-17-2018 04:48 PM)edlefou Wrote:  

The tourists who visit are pretty closely guarded and we had a dude with a machine gun with us and there are police checkpoints to control access to all the touristy sites, hotels, etc. I left to go to a cafe to get an espresso and they chased me down and disuaded me from going because I'm not sure why exactly. Some bullshit about safety, etc.

Quote: (10-18-2018 01:10 AM)MANic Wrote:  

The post above me is probably more accurate now. When I went it was a regular shithole not a super dangerous one.


Whoa...do the above 2 posts mean it's not safe to walk anywhere on your own ?
Or is this just part of the rules of tourgroups ?

I would definetly not visit Cairo if it's so dangerous that I can't walk around on my own.
I hate organised tours.
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I visited Cairo on an organized tour, but I think you could also visit without a tour in order to have more freedom.

If you look at the travel advisories for Egypt, they're similar to the travel advisories for Colombia. Stay away from the no-go zones and consider checking the other places if you want to.

Maybe something will happen, maybe it won't. If I had to choose between Colombia and Egypt, I would choose Colombia.
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Quote: (10-17-2018 11:47 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

Looking for some infomation on Cairo from guys who have either lived or visited there. Both in terms of gaming girls and how the city is in general as a tourist.

I do NOT expect to be gaming local muslim girls very much for obvious reasons, but wanted to know the low down on approaching tourists girls and local non-muslims. Is this feasible or not ?

Also am interested in general information as a tourist and with regards to safety. Is Cairo worth visiting ? Will I have an interesting time there ? Is it a safe place to walk around alone (including at night) ?

I am quite well travelled and wanted to know if it's any better/worse, and more or less dangerous than say Morocco and/or Turkey ?

Thanks

Hey Caduceus, I wrote a datasheet about Cairo a few years back when I was living there:

thread-10337...#pid162978

The good venues have changed somewhat since then, but the general breakdown of Egyptian girls is still valid. I also think that in the past few years the country is gradually becoming more liberal. You see less girls wearing hijab than in the past and even girls who are otherwise conservatively dressed are showing off their ankles now. [Image: tard.gif]

As I explain there, you can by all means game the local Muslim girls in Egypt. Obviously not with full balls-to-the-wall cold approaching on the street, but it is certainly possible to hook up with them using a discreet approach.

You mentioned gaming local non-Muslims, by which I assume you mean Egyptian Christians. To be honest though, Egyptian Christian girls are no more and no less easier to bang than Muslim girls -- they might even be tougher since their community is more close knit.

In terms of the general tourist experience, Cairo has the potential to be an amazing experience, but you have to get off the beaten path a little and maybe learn a little Arabic before you go. If you just visit the pyramids and then go back to a crappy downtown hotel at the end of the day, you will end up hating the place. If on the other hand you go out to experience all the different levels and time periods that coexist in Cairo, you can have an amazing time that has no parallel even in other Middle Eastern countries.

With regards to safety, Egypt is extremely safe. More than Turkey or Morocco, Cairo is a city that never sleeps, and so even at 3 or 4 am there will be life in the streets from cafes and late-night food stands, so you should have no problem walking around anywhere. Violent crime is almost unheard of (at least in the form of armed robbery or the other kind of things you have to watch out for in Latin America, for example).

You asked about how Egypt compares to Turkey and Morocco.

Compared to Turkey:

The women are less attractive but probably easier. If you look Western -- not even blonde but just lighter skin than the average Egyptian -- you will stand out and get a "white god factor" kind of boost. In general, Egyptian society is very welcoming and open to foreigners, and many girls here would love to snag a foreigner of their own. There also is no language barrier in Egypt since most people speak some English, and any girl you could possibly bang will almost certainly speak fairly good English.

As a tourist experience, Cairo is a more difficult and intense city to deal with than Istanbul. More congestion and more disorder. Feels more third world. Average level of food quality is lower, but there is amazing food in Cairo if you know where to look (especially among some of the foreign communities in Cairo, such as Sudanese, Yemenis, and even Chinese). This craziness is balanced out by the sense that the past and tradition is more alive in Cairo and not just a nice monument to go and look at. There are plenty of people on the street who still dress and think like Arabs from the Middle Ages.

Turkey is also more open and liberal about alcohol consumption, with bars open to the street, chairs and tables on the street where you can drink raki or have a beer. In Egypt by contrast, bars try to be discreet and so will not have a conspicuous entrance. Combined with the fact that you can smoke anywhere and everywhere in Egypt, some are very stuffy as a result, but this is compensated by the fact that many bars are situated in open-air rooftops or Nileside boats.

Compared to Morocco:

I haven't gamed in Morocco so I can't speak to the differences in the women, although generally in the Middle East, Moroccan women have a reputation for being dangerous since they are wily and supposedly skilled in black magic. By contrast, my impression is that Egyptian girls are more simple, playful and enthusiastic, and less scheming and pretentious than girls from other Arab countries.

For the tourist experience, I guess the biggest difference is that in Morocco the country is more decentralized, with Casablanca, Fez and Marrakech all offering very different things. One city might be better for game while another for cultural experience. Whereas in Egypt all these things are piled on top of each other, so that you can go from one extreme to the another in the course of a day.

Morocco also seemed sleepier and less vibrant than Egypt. Even areas that supposedly have nightlife in Morocco seem pretty dead, whereas Egyptians of all types and not just bar-hoppers are buzzing until late hours. Moroccans are also more closed-off than Egyptians and don't have as much of a sense of humor, whereas the Egyptian sense of humor is legendary.

Where Morocco really beats Egypt is in nature and in outdoor activities. Egypt really only has two types of nature -- the Nile valley and desert. Morocco on the other hand has a real variety of landscapes and better tourist infrastructure for enjoying them.

Then to respond to what some other posters are saying about the touts and tourist traps, of course that exists but you just have to know where to avoid and how to shut that down right away. Really the only places that have touts are areas where the tourists congregate. In Cairo that would be downtown, Khan al-Khalili and the pyramids. If one of them tries to talk to you, all you need to ignore them, say "shukran" (thank you) and keep walking. In every other neighborhood you will be fine and no one will bother you on the street just because you're a foreigner. Outside of Cairo, Luxor and the beach resorts can be bad for touts and scams, because those areas are almost all tourists.

I also think edlefou's characterization of the security surrounding tourists is exaggerated. There are a few more precautions around tourist sites and the subway than there were a few years ago, but in Cairo and other major cities you are absolutely free to circulate and come and go as you please without police escort or anything like that.

Anyway, I used to live in Cairo and have been back to visit a few times over the years, so I'll be happy to help if there's anything else you want to know.
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Thank you naswanji.
That really is an informative and comprehensive write up !
You also added a lot of detail with regard to the comparisons with Morocco and Turkey which I also appreciate.
I also read your old post that you wrote back in 2012 in the Egypt thread (which you linked to) regarding the types of Egyptian girls that go for foreigners.


Both the United States State Department and also the United Kingdom foreign office don't say give any specific big warnings on their official government travel advisory websites about travelling solo as a man inside the city of Cairo, so I'm assuming if I keep my wits about me and don't look (or act like) a tourist it should be ok to walk around alone inside the city.
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#17

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Quote: (10-19-2018 04:24 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2018 11:47 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

Looking for some infomation on Cairo from guys who have either lived or visited there. Both in terms of gaming girls and how the city is in general as a tourist.

I do NOT expect to be gaming local muslim girls very much for obvious reasons, but wanted to know the low down on approaching tourists girls and local non-muslims. Is this feasible or not ?

Also am interested in general information as a tourist and with regards to safety. Is Cairo worth visiting ? Will I have an interesting time there ? Is it a safe place to walk around alone (including at night) ?

I am quite well travelled and wanted to know if it's any better/worse, and more or less dangerous than say Morocco and/or Turkey ?

Thanks

Hey Caduceus, I wrote a datasheet about Cairo a few years back when I was living there:

thread-10337...#pid162978

The good venues have changed somewhat since then, but the general breakdown of Egyptian girls is still valid. I also think that in the past few years the country is gradually becoming more liberal. You see less girls wearing hijab than in the past and even girls who are otherwise conservatively dressed are showing off their ankles now. [Image: tard.gif]

As I explain there, you can by all means game the local Muslim girls in Egypt. Obviously not with full balls-to-the-wall cold approaching on the street, but it is certainly possible to hook up with them using a discreet approach.

You mentioned gaming local non-Muslims, by which I assume you mean Egyptian Christians. To be honest though, Egyptian Christian girls are no more and no less easier to bang than Muslim girls -- they might even be tougher since their community is more close knit.

In terms of the general tourist experience, Cairo has the potential to be an amazing experience, but you have to get off the beaten path a little and maybe learn a little Arabic before you go. If you just visit the pyramids and then go back to a crappy downtown hotel at the end of the day, you will end up hating the place. If on the other hand you go out to experience all the different levels and time periods that coexist in Cairo, you can have an amazing time that has no parallel even in other Middle Eastern countries.

With regards to safety, Egypt is extremely safe. More than Turkey or Morocco, Cairo is a city that never sleeps, and so even at 3 or 4 am there will be life in the streets from cafes and late-night food stands, so you should have no problem walking around anywhere. Violent crime is almost unheard of (at least in the form of armed robbery or the other kind of things you have to watch out for in Latin America, for example).

You asked about how Egypt compares to Turkey and Morocco.

Compared to Turkey:

The women are less attractive but probably easier. If you look Western -- not even blonde but just lighter skin than the average Egyptian -- you will stand out and get a "white god factor" kind of boost. In general, Egyptian society is very welcoming and open to foreigners, and many girls here would love to snag a foreigner of their own. There also is no language barrier in Egypt since most people speak some English, and any girl you could possibly bang will almost certainly speak fairly good English.

As a tourist experience, Cairo is a more difficult and intense city to deal with than Istanbul. More congestion and more disorder. Feels more third world. Average level of food quality is lower, but there is amazing food in Cairo if you know where to look (especially among some of the foreign communities in Cairo, such as Sudanese, Yemenis, and even Chinese). This craziness is balanced out by the sense that the past and tradition is more alive in Cairo and not just a nice monument to go and look at. There are plenty of people on the street who still dress and think like Arabs from the Middle Ages.

Turkey is also more open and liberal about alcohol consumption, with bars open to the street, chairs and tables on the street where you can drink raki or have a beer. In Egypt by contrast, bars try to be discreet and so will not have a conspicuous entrance. Combined with the fact that you can smoke anywhere and everywhere in Egypt, some are very stuffy as a result, but this is compensated by the fact that many bars are situated in open-air rooftops or Nileside boats.

Compared to Morocco:

I haven't gamed in Morocco so I can't speak to the differences in the women, although generally in the Middle East, Moroccan women have a reputation for being dangerous since they are wily and supposedly skilled in black magic. By contrast, my impression is that Egyptian girls are more simple, playful and enthusiastic, and less scheming and pretentious than girls from other Arab countries.

For the tourist experience, I guess the biggest difference is that in Morocco the country is more decentralized, with Casablanca, Fez and Marrakech all offering very different things. One city might be better for game while another for cultural experience. Whereas in Egypt all these things are piled on top of each other, so that you can go from one extreme to the another in the course of a day.

Morocco also seemed sleepier and less vibrant than Egypt. Even areas that supposedly have nightlife in Morocco seem pretty dead, whereas Egyptians of all types and not just bar-hoppers are buzzing until late hours. Moroccans are also more closed-off than Egyptians and don't have as much of a sense of humor, whereas the Egyptian sense of humor is legendary.

Where Morocco really beats Egypt is in nature and in outdoor activities. Egypt really only has two types of nature -- the Nile valley and desert. Morocco on the other hand has a real variety of landscapes and better tourist infrastructure for enjoying them.

Then to respond to what some other posters are saying about the touts and tourist traps, of course that exists but you just have to know where to avoid and how to shut that down right away. Really the only places that have touts are areas where the tourists congregate. In Cairo that would be downtown, Khan al-Khalili and the pyramids. If one of them tries to talk to you, all you need to ignore them, say "shukran" (thank you) and keep walking. In every other neighborhood you will be fine and no one will bother you on the street just because you're a foreigner. Outside of Cairo, Luxor and the beach resorts can be bad for touts and scams, because those areas are almost all tourists.

I also think edlefou's characterization of the security surrounding tourists is exaggerated. There are a few more precautions around tourist sites and the subway than there were a few years ago, but in Cairo and other major cities you are absolutely free to circulate and come and go as you please without police escort or anything like that.

Anyway, I used to live in Cairo and have been back to visit a few times over the years, so I'll be happy to help if there's anything else you want to know.

this is utter crap, egyptian girls do not date foreigners in egypt specialy not white dudes, never ever seen it,fully possible outside egypt. or if you are a arab
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Quote: (10-20-2018 01:47 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

this is utter crap, egyptian girls do not date foreigners in egypt specialy not white dudes, never ever seen it,fully possible outside egypt. or if you are a arab

RVF member naswanji has been an member here for 8 years, has a rep count of 6, has lived in Egypt for 2 years, and has slept with Egyptian girls.
Can you say the same about yourself zamfir112 ?

I think naswanji knows what he's talking about.
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#19

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Quote: (10-20-2018 01:57 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2018 01:47 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  

this is utter crap, egyptian girls do not date foreigners in egypt specialy not white dudes, never ever seen it,fully possible outside egypt. or if you are a arab

RVF member naswanji has been an member here for 8 years, has a rep count of 6, has lived in Egypt for 2 years, and has slept with Egyptian girls.
Can you say the same about yourself zamfir112 ?

I think naswanji knows what he's talking about.

he is probably latin looking(easy to mistake for egyptian)and speaks arabic,and stayed there for many months, and on top of that he has tight game. most foreigners are not in that category,never said its 100% impossible just very unlikely for a regular 2-3 week traveller,much easier with morrocan or lebanon girls imo if you are looking for arab girls
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