Quote: (06-27-2018 03:57 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

Why are there so many mountains of text regarding what essentially should amount to:
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Quote: (06-27-2018 08:43 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Who the fuck cares?
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Lengthy posts and threads about ridiculous drama.

Sheesh. Do none of you work, or run a business? How do you spend your time?

Haha I agree that I got carried away with my wall of text.
I didn't plan to write a novel, but those are thoughts I've been holding for a couple of years and never bothered to post, so they all came out at once.

I for one don't think we should stop political discussion outside of the subforum.
This is not my forum, and if some users want to talk about it that's not for me to decide. Plus Roosh seems to be ok with it.

There has always been politics and silly jokes and ball busting and trolling in this forum. And that's great. I also enjoy shit posting when appropriate.

But it used to be 80% great content 20% shit posting.
Nowadays it's the opposite.

I only wish those posters had more self awareness and restraint, because so much political shit posting just lowers the signal to noise ratio of the entire forum.

A single post by Tuthmosis provided more value than 10000 political posts by this guys.

All noise, and almost no meat to be found.

Quote: (06-28-2018 06:00 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

Scotian, can you share your stories of the fights with RVF members?!

It was a crazy booze fueled night in Cali, Colombia. It was fucking stupid and could have easily ended with myself and Rotten Apple (who is pretty tough for a Euro weenie) in the hospital or dead, getting in street fights in a sketchy area of one of the top 25 most dangerous cities in the world isn't a very good idea.

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Me and Scotian, completely wasted, are still full of energy so we keep on checking the streets for some action. The sexta (the main party street) is full of people and at one point, Scotian goes for a piss and when he comes back he is like: hey man, where’s the fucking hat you bought? Me, completely clueless, I had no idea where it was and what happened. We look around and see this Colombian guy standing with two others guys about 30 meters from where we just passed with what seemed to be my hat on.

Both of us are like goddammit, this asshole just snatched my hat. We couldn’t let that pass so we decide to call these guys out. They deny and things get aggressive from that point on. Scotian snatched the hat of this Colombian guys head and all three of these guys go after him. A good right hit from Scotian took the first guy to the ground and I get in as well. Punches are swung around, Scotian is hitting one guy with his knee in the face and taking a few hits as well. I swing one of these guys against a tree and hit the other in the jaw, while he was trying to attack Scotian from the back. These guys are shit, so we are doing some damage.

Take into account that this was right in front of a restaurant with about 6-7 tables outside all packed with people. So, there’s about 25 people now enjoying 2 gringos taking on 3 Colombians and beating their asses over a hat.

The Colombians regroup and the restaurant waiters try to take us apart. Two of the Colombians are now holding weapons, one with a bottle I think and the other made a kind of bag with beers to swing with. Me and Scotian at that point think like fuck it, we won the clean fight two against three so let’s get out of here, before we get shot or stabbed with a broken bottle. We wake Linux up to give us some hiding shelter at night and then go to sleep in our own place. Scotian is bleeding a bit in the face but not too bad and his pants is full of blood from the Colombians. I came out without any real damage, so all in all we’re pretty happy that we defended our honor and didn’t let these guys mess with us.

Next morning, I’m eating breakfast with Buakaw and Scotian, just going over the night and fucking around a bit. Buakaw still had no idea what happened then and before we are giving the full account of our end of the night, he’s like: Hey Rottenapple, I think you left your hat at my place yesterday, don’t forget to come pick it up.

Me and Scotian took the full minute with our hangover damaged brains to fully grasp what was just said. I guess it wasn’t my hat after all. Let’s just say that me and Scotian are going to take a low profile today.

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The other one happened at a club in Medellin when a local dick head stole my chair after I got up to dance with a girl, I pushed him off of it then he pushed me and before I got a chance to smash him, the RVF member I was with came out of nowhere and launched the guy across the room into a table full of bottles. Then his buddies got into it and the bouncers broke it up and of course, kicked the gringos out.

Again, don't get into fights in these places, it's retarded.

^^^^

You are literally The Toughest Guy in Letterkenny, Scotian.

Easiest solution is to not reply and not acknowledge guys like Going Strong, or put them on ignore if it's easier. Eventually they'll get the hint that the way they derail threads and pontificate like condescending prophets isn't welcome. Another example would be the now banned MMX. If you dont give them attention, then we dont have to scroll through huge quote bubbles of unnecessary arguments.

Quote: (06-28-2018 12:08 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Easiest solution is to not reply and not acknowledge guys like Going Strong,

...says he, while at the very same moment acknowledging me (much honored) and replying in the thread I started.

I'm disappointed anyway by the level of the replies proposed by "Liberal-minded" (Left-leaning) members, on this thread. Instead of debating, they launch petty personal attacks, swear "never to be our friends", and do not give sound arguments - they refuse to debate the facts. They just want to attack the characters, and try and mock other members, instead of debating the Conservative ideas and values we stand for. (Because they know they would lose the debate as surely as Hillary did)

I find these personal attacks useless and stupid. Instead, I would have liked some Leftist member to politely and intelligently debate with me, for example on the historic examples (concerning Soviet times and the way communists used so-called medical science to silence Right-Wingers) I wrote about earlier.

Actually, Leftists online have got a new tendency: it's to call Right-Wingers, autistic or crazy. It so reminds me of the way Stalinists would call all their opponents, sluggish-schizophrenics. Using personal insults and fake medical terminology, to try and silence one's opponents.

Well both sides sling shit at each other, and it won't stop while people don't let things slide. People aren't always going to agree with you.

Even the 'right wing' guys are pretty liberal (not the pejorative capital L) in absolute terms, or we wouldn't be living in a Western democracy in the first place.

There's no need to try to convert each other. We're here because we have more in common than what keeps us apart. Just let things slide, not every battle is worth fighting.

Quote: (06-28-2018 09:14 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2018 08:59 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I'd rather the forum openly discuss politics WITHOUT judging a member's character from a political lens. I however, digress, because I feel like a broken record and nothing is registering with a few here.

Quote: (06-28-2018 08:59 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Your problem is that you can't think past a political ideology to make room for genuinely assessing a person's character. For example, you already think there is no way a left winger can't be a globalist shill. You prejudge by an ideology rather than an original thought. It's sad really.

I used to think I could be friends with some of the right wingers in the political forums but over time I realize their cognitive dissonance against reality is so big that they can't help themselves

...And missed the point.. yet again. Shocking.

Quote: (06-28-2018 09:30 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And THIS^ Gentlemen, is how you spot intellectual dishonesty. To be honest this is quite leftist. Accusing the opponent of what YOU do.

Quote: (06-28-2018 11:14 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2018 08:59 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I used to think I could be friends with some of the right wingers in the political forums but over time I realize their cognitive dissonance against reality is so big that they can't help themselves.

So you are asking us to be open-minded, but then you freely confess that you yourself couldn't bear to be friend with a "Right-Winger".

Truly sad. I actually have (few, but some) "left-wing" friends. Open your mind, don't let the demonizing of Conservative values by MSM, get to you.

Now, to the (European) members here who say that politics don't impact their lives. Are they joking? Politics impact almost everything. I'll give you a concrete example, below.

Each time a Soros-NGO boat of "migrants" comes close to the European shores, the Euro loses one percent, and therefore our ability to travel to pussy-paradises gets hit by one percent, cost-wise.

You can check it out: first the Aquarius then the Lifeline, each time these boats come close, Chinese and US pension fund managers get afraid, and the Euro take a hit - and we European travelers take a hit, too.

It's even more preoccupying: the sub-Saharan migrant crisis might very well and very soon destroy the EU (see the urgency meeting underway right now) and sink forever the Euro currency. So if you have savings in Euros, you cannot dismiss politics.

Here comes the gameless turd train with the try hards "intellectually" jacking each other off. That's not intellectual honesty guys. That's just the forum version of sucking each other's schlongs.

Again, get out a bit and either get some poon or find a girl to wife up and pop out kids. If you can't do either, or can't aim for either, I don't care what you think "politically."

Did you all miss the part where I said "some" right wingers? I am also a right winger, by the way. I just mean I don't deal with the autistic right wingers that you are all proving to be. I'm waiting for you clowns to now "exclude" me because I don't agree with your assessment of what a right winger is. Migrants are a problem for me and you. I agree. However, excessive soy and utter gamelessness are a bigger problem for you.

When you guys have contributed something more tangible to the forum, other than political commentary and/or have met legitimate genuine forum members, come see me and I'll take you seriously. Until then, if you want to live in a basement eat soy, and intellectually masturbate to political threads, I can't help you.

< Guys - squash the useless beef.

You are closer aligned than you think.

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And Scotian's story is not really RVF related - I feared that a member jumped him. Instead it was an empowering story of how two RVF members attacked 3 Colombian guys over a misunderstanding.

Some threads seem to be going the same way.

"That's my hat!"
"No - it's mine."
"Now you'll get it."

Perfect beef.

In other news, I have the perfect side gig for making money on rvf. Anyone need a refill?

Quote: (06-28-2018 03:38 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

I am also a right winger, by the way.

Then I have no beef with you, as I actually follow the principle of "No enemy to the Right".

I'll admit, Cobra, that I haven't closely followed your posts, as you apparently don't post a lot in the threads that I follow, so I had no clear idea of your opinions and values. And I have been told by a high-rep member that you actually harbor good Conservative values, so, no hard feeling on my side.

(By the way, I seem to remember that once, here on the forum, a long time ago, I defended you on a thread where some members were disrespecting Indian culture or some, unless I am mistaking... I might add by the way that I like a lot the Conservative and efficient president of India and his -a bit harsh at times, granted- tactics against radical Islamism)

Sometimes White conservative-right leaning guys get a little paranoid because our race, culture and nation states are under constant assault from all levels. It gets overboard as a forum is not a good way to assess a person's full breadth - you only get some opinions.

Quote: (06-28-2018 05:02 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2018 03:38 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

I am also a right winger, by the way.

Then I have no beef with you, as I actually follow the principle of "No enemy to the Right".

I'll admit, Cobra, that I haven't closely followed your posts, as you apparently don't post a lot in the threads that I follow, so I had no clear idea of your opinions and values. And I have been told by a high-rep member that you actually harbor good Conservative values, so, no hard feeling on my side.

(By the way, I seem to remember that once, here on the forum, a long time ago, I defended you on a thread where some members were disrespecting Indian culture or some, unless I am mistaking... I might add by the way that I like a lot the Conservative and efficient president of India and his -a bit harsh at times, granted- tactics against radical Islamism)

No beef with you either ma man! Let's squash it. I also highly appreciate you coming to the table first. Bigger man than I in this case and I can't express how I truly respect it. I'm not afraid to say that publicly and as you know, fortunately or unfortunately, I speak my mind as much as I can.

I actually harbor conservative values BECAUSE I'm Indian. I grew up in that type of culture and it's something I cherish. However, I just think we collectively get a bit over the top on politics these days and not give everyone a due chance when we think exclusively within a political framework. Really, this is my only challenge. It's hard from my standpoint to reconcile how guys can't put the work in to improve themselves but latch on to a political ideology INSTEAD to make themselves happy. To me it's an "AND" proposition. I just think too much of any ideology that is not your own, can be toxic. For that reason, while I espouse conservative values, I am careful when I reconcile those values to my political beliefs. To be honest, it's the forum and my so called battles with some guys that has given me that. For that reason, I can't be mad, even at all.

I also didn't realize you stepped in a while back in defense. I thank you for that as well. Actually, there are a few political posts and threads where me and other minority members have been ganged up on EVEN though we espoused conservative values. Maybe that has left a bad taste, but when I realize that I can't build a social connection with a forum member that I actually share beliefs with because of my background and/or race or whatever, it's sad. Instead of meaningful discussions then, it turns into identity politics, which is the realm of SJWs.

Quote: (06-27-2018 09:09 AM)Bushido Wrote:  

Going Strong, you have too much time on your hands with threads like these. And you're missing the point as usual.

You know, most people just silently fade away. A lot of the old school posters are inactive or gone forever because of the excessive tilt toward politics. This used to be a forum about game, travel, and self-improvement but even those topics now get overshadowed by some of the characters (with little real life experience) who somehow find the time to post 5+ times a day about the Jewz and "how the globalists ruined mah life". I'll always be grateful to Roosh for making this community. I've made some great friends in real life through it. But I accept that times have changed. The real communication and value sharing now happens off the forum.

P.S. I was for Trump and for Brexit myself so don't accuse me or being a liberal.

Look no further for an example.

The problem with politics, as with religion, is that there is now to scientifically define the right answer.

In Math, 2+2=4, and that's the inarguable truth.

But there are no definitive, inarguable, answers in politics and religion (although certain role players may feel so deeply invested in their opinions that they do feel they are 'right').

With the result that a discussion on politics or religion can simply go on and on and on with no end, because the only way it can end is if there is a final answer, which as yet does not exist.

However, topics like self-improvement and game and travel can and often do reach conclusions. You can't argue against something that clearly makes you lift more weights, gets you laid more, or with good datasheets on foreign locales. Yes, there have been posters who have clearly bullshitted on these topics, but they tend to get sniffed out and pushed out, because definitive answers exist and that allows bullshit to be pushed out. In other words, these topics can lead to educational discussion and actionable conclusions that help enrich the lives of the men reading this forum.

But with politics/religion, we can rapidly end up on a merry-go-round that spins faster and faster and actually leads nowhere - because there is no definitive conclusion to be reached. These discussions are simply not useful in the long term.

There are more than enough places on the internet to have intense political discussions. If all the politics on this forum magically died overnight, men would still flock here for the other things. But if this forum suddenly just became a political echo chamber, and all the other topics disappeared, I doubt it would attract and hold the great calibre of men who have made this forum the great resource that it is today.

Politics is profoundly overvalued as a topic of discussion. True politics is done, not discussed. If you care so much about politics, get off the internet and pound some pavement in your neighbourhood and talk to people in the real world and hand out flyers and actually be the action you crave.

#MAKE ROOSHVFORUM GREAT AGAIN!

Quote: (06-28-2018 01:02 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

Well both sides sling shit at each other, and it won't stop while people don't let things slide. People aren't always going to agree with you.

Even the 'right wing' guys are pretty liberal (not the pejorative capital L) in absolute terms, or we wouldn't be living in a Western democracy in the first place.

There's no need to try to convert each other. We're here because we have more in common than what keeps us apart. Just let things slide, not every battle is worth fighting.

Really underrated post this. Some very valid points.

We've reached a point where Roosh will have to step in and take action.

The forum "beef" has turned into a seemingly organized harassment campaign by a small group of members, who act as if THEY, not Roosh, own and run this forum.

They do not. Roosh is the owner of this forum.

They are using threats and unacceptable slanderous language.

The same group of posters and their zealous campaign, led to the doxxing of forum member HankMoody, who is not a political poster.

In fact, if it was really about "gameless soyboys", then this group of posters, would have been involved in the Dragan debacle, but they were not. Neither was HankMoody a "gameless soyboy", but he was harassed and doxxed none the less.

It's time that Roosh makes very clear what is allowed and now allowed on this forum. If Roosh wants to, he can remove the politics subforum or institute some rule of how many lays are needed to be allowed to talk about politics.

This however, is up to Roosh, and not the judgement of a few members.

I have contacted Roosh by PM about this thread.

Quote: (06-29-2018 09:42 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

If Roosh wants to, he can remove the politics subforum or institute some rule of how many lays are needed to be allowed to talk about politics.

Fifty bang minimum.

Quote: (06-29-2018 10:12 AM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (06-29-2018 09:42 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

If Roosh wants to, he can remove the politics subforum or institute some rule of how many lays are needed to be allowed to talk about politics.

Fifty bang minimum.

Quote: (06-29-2018 12:01 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Quote: (06-29-2018 10:12 AM)churros Wrote:  

Quote: (06-29-2018 09:42 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

If Roosh wants to, he can remove the politics subforum or institute some rule of how many lays are needed to be allowed to talk about politics.

Fifty bang minimum.

I agree with RedPpillUK. Any (non-virgin) man knows that it's not the amount of women you have made love to, that matters, as much as the quality, slimness and beauty of the women you have fucked. "Banging" 50 low-quality, plump chicks in Cali-Cebu-Cancun, is nothing compared to banging thirty lizzards from, say, EE, Vietnam or Argentina. Quality before quantity, all men with taste and sexual experience know that.

Back to this thread and its original purpose; well, it has shown us that there are honest and intelligent posters who somehow disagree with "political" posters (while at the same time being Conservative, too), and they explained their (moderate) position in a clear, dignified and articulate way - like Cobra.

But, as nomadbrah noticed, there are other "apolitical" posters who just try to silence the most interesting debates through short, snarky, personal (and coordinated) attacks. Those try to neutralize, neuter the forum.

Quote: (06-28-2018 06:48 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Actually, there are a few political posts and threads where me and other minority members have been ganged up on EVEN though we espoused conservative values. Maybe that has left a bad taste, but when I realize that I can't build a social connection with a forum member that I actually share beliefs with because of my background and/or race or whatever, it's sad. Instead of meaningful discussions then, it turns into identity politics, which is the realm of SJWs.

I agree with the above. The principle of No Enemy to the Right, and the simple logic of liking people who share one's values, should be remembered. Alliances have to be made against the blind Globalists (who want to abolish all frontiers and erase all cultures, and even erase the differences between sexes), and these alliances should bring together men of many races and religions.

Quote: (06-29-2018 12:25 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2018 06:48 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Actually, there are a few political posts and threads where me and other minority members have been ganged up on EVEN though we espoused conservative values. Maybe that has left a bad taste, but when I realize that I can't build a social connection with a forum member that I actually share beliefs with because of my background and/or race or whatever, it's sad. Instead of meaningful discussions then, it turns into identity politics, which is the realm of SJWs.

I agree with the above. The principle of No Enemy to the Right, and the simple logic of liking people who share one's values, should be remembered. Alliances have to be made against the blind Globalists (who want to abolish all frontiers and erase all cultures, and even erase the differences between sexes), and these alliances should bring together men of many races and religions.

Cobra is right. I remember one guy (perhaps the guy Cobra is talking about??) was saying that in the event where there was a big conflict happening, he foule rather join side with a liberal anti-male/progressist/leftist/hardcore feminist whatever instead of another red pill conservative black/non white guy, because the former would be more of his tribe than the latter.


Or when I preach conservative values such as end of feminism, reduced welfare, reduction of affirmative action, reduced immigration, criticize the current Arabic culture in french cities, immigration of highly skilled people only and sending the economic refugees back, someone comes and accuses me of Taqqiya, and being a troll, or a terror apologist.

These guys are fixated on race/religion and will never imagine that someone not from their background can share gloser values than even actual close work /family relations.

nomadbrah - you make some good arguments sometimes but you are unaware of some things in regards to your last post.

Regarding not being involved in the Dragan debacle,

Quote: (06-27-2018 05:06 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

^ Yes and people forget that guys were defending the pathological liar NTP after the first time he got banned. That is the guy behind all this drama. Guys should be cautious with who they vouch for and defend. Supporting known liars should result in a ban starting today with Dragan.

I've also made other comments in various places about my perspective on NTP which is that he should have been called out sooner and guys shouldn't tolerate liars.

Regarding Hank, there is a lot you don't know about that situation. I assume the mods locked that thread for a reason so I'll send you a PM instead of saying much on here. The one thing I will address is the suggestion that we got Hank doxxed. That is blatantly incorrect and despite all the posturing by some of Hank's supporters it was "our group" who took action to try to protect Hank's identity.

Completely off topic but, what happened to Hank?

High value posters are a lot more likely to leave an online community because they're tired/paranoid of sharing their knowledge for free to the public, than they are to leave because of a shift in values.

If you share a lot of knowledge, eventually you have an epiphany that the wrong person learning from your teachings can directly make your life worse. Then you either go silent, or shift your posting away from teaching and towards trying to control other people's behavior.