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How to Join the French Foreign Legion
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

I did 7 years in the French Foreign Legion and 6 in the US Navy. Here is the nut shell contained in an acorn.

TLDR: I joined the French Foreign Legion for you ADHD guys.

Some guys on here have mentioned to me exploring or joining the French Foreign Legion, so I want to share my own experience for those who would like to figure out if its right for them.

I went through Legion training with ex-cons, active criminals, heavily educated, divorcee's, tradesman etc... All awesome men that will be my family for the rest of my life. All will be remembered as men that changed my life for the better.

A bit about my service background before I joined: I only share this because I get asked a lot from people in person when they find out I was in the Legion. It's not representative of whats needed to join the French Foreign Legion. In fact, most people that join do not have my background and some have no background at all.

I enlisted in the US Navy Reserves in the delayed entry program at age 17 just before college to become a corpsman. I became what they call a Greenside Medic with the US Marines. I went through 2 deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan and got an honorable discharge after completing 6 years.

My US Navy training included A-school and C-school. A-school was my basic Corpsman training, and C-school was my specialty which led to 18D training at Camp McKall, NC through the US Army, Special Forces Medic training (I was not a SEAL or Special Forces).

While in college, I completed one deployment in the reserves where I had the heroically masculine job of assisting in delivering Iraqi babies and working with Gynecologists. I've probably seen more bloody pussies and women shitting themselves than anyone on this forum. I also hung out at a place called LSA Anaconda which was nicknamed "Mortaritaville" thanks to the 24/7 shelling. They didn't let me near the wire because I was a bit jumpy, so they kept me with the women. Smart move looking back now.

Once I completed Greenside training with the Marines, and having completed college with a useless Physics degree, I pursued an active duty role within 8492NEC (Naval Enlistment Classification Code) which is Special Operations Corpsman or USMC Force Reconnaissance and served within FMFLant. While with FMFLant, I completed a 2nd deployment where I actually got shot at and had to shoot back - really fucking scary.

Upon my return I had to complete Jump School training in Static and MFF (Military Free Fall). Static was in Fort Benning, GA and MFF was in Yuma. AZ. At Fort Benning the Rangers let me run the Darby Queen which is their abuse course and called me an asshole after. Rangers are fucking awesome and I delivered babies... they still let me join into their hunting activities at a place called Camp Merrill in Dahlonega, GA which was their Mountaineering School.

I somehow survived that level of shit and got sent back to Camp McKall for an evolution called SERE (Survive Evade Resist Escape) training, which I actually did okay at. The military finally helped me find something I was actually good at.

Once I got my inner "Rambo" out and survived divorce rape, I discharged because my MCPO told me I'd likely retire an E7 (at the time I was an E6 with 6 years). I got offered OCS but I'd had enough of the military by then.

I worked in the private sector for 2 years but was unhappy and drinking a lot. I needed an adventure to keep me from becoming an alcoholic. I somehow ended up getting a DUI after downing a bunch of whiskey shots and driving around town - Enter the French Foreign Legion.

I bought a one-way ticket to France while I was also drunk, not really knowing what I was about to put my body and mind through. Nor did I know anything about the French Foreign Legion.

Well long story short:

I served for 7 years in the 2nd Foreign Parachute Regiment known as 2e REP based on the Island of Corsica. I've been out 4 years now, so the data I'm giving is up to date until leaving and some is based on conversations I've had with active members I'm still in touch with.

The History:

The Legion was formed in 1831 as a force to expand and secure French Colonial interest around the globe (especially Africa and the Middle East). It later became pretty famous as a safe haven or escape for outlaws and undesirables. I was neither of the two, but we still get people from all walks of life and take pride in giving men a 2nd chance to redeem themselves and find a purpose in life.

We served in every major war you've heard of, and are commonly known as a mercenary force. i.e. France and allies of France can use us as a task force without taking responsibility for the outcome.

Who can join:

Anyone between the ages of 18 – 39, unless you're a serious felon for something like Rape or Murder also Murder is questionable which depends on your countries laws. If you're wanted by Interpol, Europol or your home government for other major crimes, find one of us and we'll help you sort it out. Small stuff, even warrants, will not effect you if you meet general requirements.

French citizens, and only French citizens, can become commissioned officers but cannot enlist in the ranks (although I've heard they might be allowing French citizens enlist). All non-French citizens serve as enlisted men, even if you have a college degree or served as an officer in your home military.

Before you Join:

French Language:

I joined the Legion knowing only English and Russian. I did not know any French - I mean ZERO French. The Legion will give you no quarter. It all begins in French after selection. They do give you courses, but it's barely helpful. When you fuck up because you did not understand the command, they whip your fucking ass. "I don't understand French" and "French is my 2nd language" is not a proper response. We learn French by force and when I say Force I mean FORCE. Even if you're mildly retarded like myself, you'll fucking learn French, I promise. Notice how many times I said French in this paragraph. I was Traumatized into learning their language. Even if you're doing something you've never done before, even potentially deadly, they deliver your instructions in French. One time I ran out the back of an aircraft because my Jump Master was screaming some French shit at me I didn't understand while pointing at a hole in the aircraft. Because I couldn't understand, they had to fish me out the Atlantic Ocean. I learned my longitude and latitude in French pretty quick after that one.

Dental:

You need to have good teeth, so get any dental work taken care of first before showing up.

Missing teeth are not a disqualification as long as you have your primary teeth and they are healthy.

Eyes:

Color Blindness: Get tested if you haven't been, Red/Green deficiencies are common. Color blindness will exclude you serving in 2e REP as a Parachutist, but not from the Legion as a whole.

Vision needs to be good. There is a lot of disinformation online about this (I served on a selection panel near the end of my time in). Glasses will not exclude you from joining, but will impact selection if you are weak in all other areas.

Overall Health:

Get a general physical which includes a spine and chest x-ray along with a EKG.

If you're interested in 2e REP which is the Parachutist Reg I recommend also getting a chamber test and pulmonary function test done as well. We also dive so this will be some additional training you'll go through. At least in North America and Western Europe there are usually hospitals that have hyperbaric chambers. Just ask your doctor for a dive physical.

Pulmonary function test is nothing more than blowing through a tube. If your pulmonary function test is good you don't necessarily need to do a chamber run although if it's easy to get near you go ahead and get it.

If you live in the US an easy way to cover all your bases is to ask your doctor for a Diving Physical and FAA Physical.

If you don't meet every requirement, your dreams are not shattered. There are many regiments in the Legion that are equally honorable – I am simply sharing the medical requirements I specifically faced. This is mainly for guys who want to try out for 2e REP.

How to Join:

You just show up at the recruiting depots in Paris or Aubagne with your passport and whatever bag you have. You don't even need a bag - just have your passport. They'll take you in immediately. It's literally that simple. You don't need to call ahead or talk to anyone. Just walk right up to the gate and tell the century on duty you want to join the legion.

Paris: Fort de Nogent

Aubagne: Quartier Vienot

I showed up in Aubagne with my medical records, US military DD214 and my passport + the clothes on my back, a pack of cigarettes and lighter.

What Happens next:

You'll be escorted into base and all your belongings, including your passport and documents, will be confiscated. You simply sit and wait for a few hours.

They'll bring you in and begin interviewing you for a few weeks. Depending on when you join they start indoc once they get enough candidates. They'll put you up while they wait to build the class which is basically a waiting game. I waited about two weeks because I joined in winter. Meanwhile they interviewed me, made me clean shit, clothed me and made me do Sport - basically just physical training. If you join in Paris your down time will be less than mine since that base receives more candidates.

Selection:

Once a class is ready it's another hurry up and wait routine. You'll go through all your medical examinations, interviews with NCO's and Officers, an IQ test, sport test (a lot of burpies) -

Burpies look easy but they are not. Practice them before you go - a lot of guys failed sport test.

Also practice your chin-ups and rope climbs. Rope climbs and chin ups are a Legion tradition, and they really don't fuck around with people who can't do either.

Push ups, flutter kicks, etc... are adaptable, Practice them if you can, but almost everyone survives these two workouts. Defintely focus on all this if you're older man before arriving.

Cardio: Before arriving I highly recommend spending at least 3 months running and swimming every day...Even better if you have 6 months of daily training. Learn how to run long distances with a weighted backpack. Swimming as much as possible will help to reduce wear on your joints. You don't want to get injured while training.

If you're into any combat sports, quit them before you join. You don't want to arrive with any injuries.

Shooting: if you have no prior military training and did not grow up around guns I recommend joining a shooting range or club and getting an ex-military guy (preferably a veteran) to teach you how to shoot and maintain side arms and long guns - break downs, assembly and maintenance. If you tell a vet you're joining the service most of us are happy to teach you the ropes free of charge. You just pay for the ammo. If a guy tells me he'll buy the bullets, he can shoot anything in my possession.

Parachuting and Diving: If you want to become a parachutist and diver I recommend you at least trying each once. You don't need to be trained in it as they'll train you, but I was a military free fall instructor for a short stint and I can tell you I fucking hated talking guys off the gate. If you can't do heights or confined spaces you're going to hate jumping and diving.

What to expect:

At the end of my military career with the Legion I had been shot twice in combat, stabbed a few times and my ankles and bottom of my foot was disfigured so buyer beware.

I don't regret my career and would recommend it to any guys looking for something to do and have no direction.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Awesome datasheet. Thanks for posting. If you get the chance a lot of us would like to hear some of the crazy shit you must of witnessed.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship. We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag!” -DJT
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

+1 Rep incoming when I get home.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

That's some bad ass shit man. +1

Would love to hear more about your experiences that you would be open to sharing.

What about your passport, were you originally American or something else? Were you able to keep your original passport or no?

Was it mostly Europeans, Africans, Asians, Middle Easterners or Latin Americans who joined? I'm assuming most probably came from the ex-French colonies of Africa?
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Where did you get deployed? Africa mostly? I'm sure those stories are epic.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

I have no interest in joining the legion but thanks for the data sheet. Not enough of them coming lately.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Precise, instructive and quite fascinating datasheet indeed. OP, you definitely deserve to receive a Gold Membership here on RVF, mon ami.

I've given in the past a bunch of Gold Memberships here, but, as politically-correct Paypal has apparently ceased to deal with the forum, well, if anyone has a bitcoin, here is how to buy a Gold Membership, a really deserved one, to Nola via the forum: thread-32112...pid1693393 or here: thread-32112...pid1719838
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Impressive resume. In between the Marines, MIT, and the French Foreign Legion did you ever consider working for NASA?

If only you knew how bad things really are.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Quote: (06-02-2018 12:19 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

That's some bad ass shit man. +1

Would love to hear more about your experiences that you would be open to sharing.

What about your passport, were you originally American or something else? Were you able to keep your original passport or no?

Was it mostly Europeans, Africans, Asians, Middle Easterners or Latin Americans who joined? I'm assuming most probably came from the ex-French colonies of Africa?

I am American born and raised. I opted in for a completely new identity when I joined as most guys do. So I was given a new name and history. I don't disclose what that was to this day, my own family does not know my Legion identity. I was allowed to get my original passport back and was able to travel home for leave once I became a Sargent.

After you serve your contract out you can get French Citizenship or if you spill blood for France i.e. are wounded you can get it. So at the end you can opt for dual citizenship if your home country allows it or stay in France if you came from a really shitty country.

I held French citizenship after I was wounded but I later denounced my French citizenship to take dual citizenship with another EU country and the US

We had people from everywhere, no country was more popular than another. The legion has become a bit more strict on Middle Easterners due to having a few shitbags defect to ISIS but I don't know what those rules are now. A good deal of people come from the Europe and Australia there were 2 other Americans in my group but they did not make it through selection for whatever reason.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Another former member of the 2e REP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Murr...sinessman)
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Quote: (06-02-2018 05:32 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

Where did you get deployed? Africa mostly? I'm sure those stories are epic.

My first Legion deployment was to Djibouti Africa, it was boring as fuck, but we conducted operations throughout North and Central Africa, I was stuck there for a year. After that I mostly deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq.

About 90% of my 7 years in was spent deployed.

I also did about 1 year in French Guiana which is where our jungle warfare course is. It's a pretty miserable place to live.
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Quote: (06-02-2018 09:09 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Impressive resume. In between the Marines, MIT, and the French Foreign Legion did you ever consider working for NASA?

ha, I was actually a Navy Corpsman not a Marine, the Navy supports the Marines medically as the Marines are a department of the Navy. There are no Marine medics just Navy Corpsman that go greenside.

My days being an employee of the government are over as it doesn't pay enough money. I also doubt NASA would have any use me.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Have you ever served with people from Balkans, and if you did, how were your experiences? I am asking it is not rare for Croats, Serbs and Albanians to join FFL.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Quote: (06-02-2018 12:12 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

Have you ever served with people from Balkans, and if you did, how were your experiences? I am asking it is not rare for Croats, Serbs and Albanians to join FFL.

Yes actually one of my best friends in was Bulgarian he had been kicked out of the Bulgarian Special Forces for kidnapping and beating some guy that slighted him. He was and still is crazy fucking guy. I actually referred him to the forum a few days ago. hopefully he joins. Most guys I served with were really good guys. Only guys that sometimes brought some tension occasionally were some Indian and some Middle Easterners. Legion tends to do a fairly decent job of weeding out trouble makers.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

A must-see, if you're interested in the French Foreign Legion's history, a movie based on a true story ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kolwezi ):

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The FFL fascinates me. It's an all male, no bullshit outfit known for having some of the toughest soldiers of all time. You could be a wanted criminal in your home country but if you can make your way to France and knock on that door you can start over as a new man.

Unfortunately now, you would be fighting for a Feminist Islamic state. But then again men don't sign up for politics.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship. We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag!” -DJT
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Quote: (06-02-2018 09:25 AM)nola Wrote:  

I am American born and raised. I opted in for a completely new identity when I joined as most guys do. So I was given a new name and history. I don't disclose what that was to this day, my own family does not know my Legion identity. I was allowed to get my original passport back and was able to travel home for leave once I became a Sargent.

After you serve your contract out you can get French Citizenship or if you spill blood for France i.e. are wounded you can get it. So at the end you can opt for dual citizenship if your home country allows it or stay in France if you came from a really shitty country.

I held French citizenship after I was wounded but I later denounced my French citizenship to take dual citizenship with another EU country and the US

We had people from everywhere, no country was more popular than another. The legion has become a bit more strict on Middle Easterners due to having a few shitbags defect to ISIS but I don't know what those rules are now. A good deal of people come from the Europe and Australia there were 2 other Americans in my group but they did not make it through selection for whatever reason.

Man, hats off to you. It sounds like you've lived one hell of a life. Have you ever thought of writing a book or even a short journal entry about it, maybe to pass down to your kids and grandkids one day?

It might be a great family souvenir to pass down through the generations, with your pictures and stories.
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Quote: (06-02-2018 08:38 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Precise, instructive and quite fascinating datasheet indeed. OP, you definitely deserve to receive a Gold Membership here on RVF, mon ami.

I've given in the past a bunch of Gold Memberships here, but, as politically-correct Paypal has apparently ceased to deal with the forum, well, if anyone has a bitcoin, here is how to buy a Gold Membership, a really deserved one, to Nola via the forum: thread-32112...pid1693393 or here: thread-32112...pid1719838

Thanks for the offer man, I actually paid for the gold membership awhile back it was just never attached to my handle.

I've donated here and there to rooshv since he started accepting crypto.

I support the forum as I've gotten a lot of very helpful data and met some really good people. Mostly all of the men I've met on here are misogynist, rapist that eat Ukrainian first born babies for breakfast. These have been to only types of men I could relate to on a personal level.

Even if I was ever banned from the forum I'd still donate. I'd just be a lifelong lurker. As I was for many years prior to joining anyway.
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How to Join the French Foreign Legion

Quote: (06-02-2018 03:03 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

The FFL fascinates me. It's an all male, no bullshit outfit known for having some of the toughest soldiers of all time. You could be a wanted criminal in your home country but if you can make your way to France and knock on that door you can start over as a new man.

Unfortunately now, you would be fighting for a Feminist Islamic state. But then again men don't sign up for politics.

The Legion does not only get used by France, while we are now considered part of the French Army we are still an irregular force or sometimes referred to being a traditional mercenary force.

There is a inside joke of how France will claim us when we are successful and then pretend we never existed when shit hits the fan.

Another inside joke is the are the worlds most elite cannon fodder.

Many allied forces from the US, UK and other countries used us even when I was in to gather intelligence, conduct reconnaissance, execute direct action strikes and hostage rescue for their countries.

One of the unappealing things to many people who want to join the military the Legion is not suited for is we are deployed most of our contracts and many times I was not in uniform and claimed to be stateless. This means you cannot maintain a healthy family/romantic relationship like you can in the regular military. I could not own a smart phone or even a car my first few years in.

I called my family right before I entered the gates and did not talk to them again until over a year later. The Legion will not even acknowledge your with them if they call for you. You'll be notified they called but it's up to you if you want to return the call.

Once you sign the contract with the Legion no one can get to you. Even if you're wanted all of a sudden by Interpol the FBI or even the French Government ect... they will not get through those gates and never have.

You'll be serving for your brothers and not for France or any other country using you.
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What kind of questions did the Gestapo ask you when you went through? Anything you lied about to make yourself more recruitable?

What percentage of your class passed selection?

You want to know the only thing you can assume about a broken down old man? It's that he's a survivor.
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Quote: (06-02-2018 04:52 PM)renotime Wrote:  

What kind of questions did the Gestapo ask you when you went through? Anything you lied about to make yourself more recruitable?

What percentage of your class passed selection?

First I'd like to say no guy wanting to enter should be scared of the Gestapo questions for guys who don't know what the Gestapo is it's the guys working at the depot attempting to figure out if your fit enough and have the drive to go to the "Farm" which comes after preselection.

I actually don't remember ever lying to them because at the time I really did not give a fuck what the outcome was so I guess ignorance was my bliss.

They asked about my history (familial, professional, criminal, psychological, drug & alcohol use and education)

I did get grilled heavily about why I didn't pursue a full military career in the US and take my OCS offer. My entire 6 years in the US Navy was contained in my DD214 so they had a ton of information on me.

I actually did think about lying to make myself seem worse off than I was because the criminal candidates seemed to get treated better than me. But I think I guessed they would figure out I was serious at some-point.

Also I don't have a solid memory of the pre-selection process which for me was over a decade ago.

I don't remember my classes exact attrition rate. If I had to guess it would have been over 80% percentages varied on health, accidents, desertion, quitting, and a few were kicked out for lying about something the legion found out later into their training.

I would not recommend lying to the Gestapo or the Legion in general because it's sorta pointless. They already assume you're a mentally ill, social reject, petty criminal walking through the gate because almost every guy coming through the gates is broken. Their goal is to give your life some meaning before you kill yourself so the guy's who can articulate that to them will be welcomed violently and likely become legionaries. Everyone else can hit the fucking bricks.
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Nice write-up. Here is a fun fact: Frank Sinatra had a minor hit with a song about the French Foreign Legion during his classic Capitol Records years in the 1950s.

The single "French Foreign Legion" was released at the tail end of 1958 and got to #61 in early 1959. It was a non-LP single (like most of Sinatra's singles at that time), but it found a bigger audience when Capitol Records put it on a mega-selling "odds and ends and hits" album titled All The Way in 1961.

It's one of Sinatra's more eccentric numbers and features an uncharacteristically campy arrangement by the great Nelson Riddle. The tongue-in-cheek opening may have been an inspiration for the Beatles, who used a similar introduction for their #1 hit "All You Need Is Love" eight years later.

Anyone who hears this and thinks "Wow, that's weird" should listen to what Sinatra and Riddle did with "Old MacDonald Had A Farm" a few years later. Fine line between genius and insanity and all that...



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I've had quiet a few messages asking me about whats day to day life after selection in regards to ongoing training. I guess most documentaries talk about our History at least the ones I've seen. I'm actually in both these videos. So members on here that have met me in person please do not point me out. Much appreciated.

This is 2e REP I apologize to people with good taste in music in advance. It would not have been my choice if I had made the videos.

1st video is jumping and 2nd video is everyday normal workups.









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Quote: (06-02-2018 05:33 PM)nola Wrote:  

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I don't remember my classes exact attrition rate. If I had to guess it would have been over 80% percentages varied on health, accidents, desertion, quitting, and a few were kicked out for lying about something the legion found out later into their training.

Do you attribute the attrition rate to guys being serious fuck ups or is the training super taxing on the mind and body?

What kinds of missions are guys going on these days?

You want to know the only thing you can assume about a broken down old man? It's that he's a survivor.
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Quote: (06-02-2018 06:19 PM)renotime Wrote:  

[quote] (06-02-2018 05:33 PM)nola Wrote:  

(06-02-2018, 09:52 PM)renotime Wrote:  I don't remember my classes exact attrition rate. If I had to guess it would have been over 80% percentages varied on health, accidents, desertion, quitting, and a few were kicked out for lying about something the legion found out later into their training.

Do you attribute the attrition rate to guys being serious fuck ups or is the training super taxing on the mind and body?

What kinds of missions are guys going on these days?

This is a hard question, I think most of the guys that don't make it through pre-selection can have a number of problems. A lot of guys simply leave on their own during pre-selection because they came to their senses.

I'm not going to say how but it's made pretty apparent they can kill you during training without consequences which still happens and if you survive training you will actually be going into combat. Guys that join the Legion having a serious bout of fatalism understand this which is why we have a high desertion rate.

I think I read in a old statistic only 10% of the US military that get deployed actually experience combat. I can say 100% of the Legion that gets deployed will experience full scale combat on almost every deployment.

Pre-selection non-voluntary wash-outs I would assume are pre-existing conditions. What those are I don't actually know. The docs make that decision not the Legion. It's why I recommend guys to go through a physical prior. We go through a pretty serious battery of physiological and psychological test. I can say from my experience in the US Navy I went through 18 Delta training which is the US Army Special Forces Medic course and completed the US Marine Force Recon pipeline. The US military did not put me through the insane shit the Legion did. This is not a comparison of what's harder or who's better than the other as far as training. I'd say my selection as a human specimen was much more scrutinized by the legion but then again they also let guys through with issues. I think this goes back to your first question.

The Legion really wants guys that want to be in the Legion and also need us. Thus I think if one is convincing enough we'll give him a shot. I know I did when I was part of selections and so did me comrades.

As far as guys washing-out due to their past, even if you know jack shit about the military most people I would think understand they are signing up to be corrected. Everyone that succeed in my class really wanted to be Legionnaires and wanted a new start in life.
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