Is there a way to tell without the risk of asking her out ? A Little bit about the situation .
She is Latina and she works in the same company like, different department. She always looks at and maintain eye contact , but I have never thought much about ut till little.
1- I was talking to her , trying to hide my badge from here .She held my biceps and then rubbed it
2- Same day . I was talking to her again and she held my forearm
3- Another, I was very well dressed. She held my arm and she said " I like your style " she was really close to me.

or all Latinas are that friendly ??

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:49 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

Is there a way to tell without the risk of asking her out ?

Please read the forum rules.

Please post newbie questions like this, in the newbie section.

Always give a background to who you are, and who this girl is.

If you're already asking if she's an attention whore, she probably is.

What do you have to lose by asking her out? Absolutely nothing.

All women are attention whores. Be direct, ask her if she's DTF, if not, scratch her off the list.

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (04-02-2018 04:49 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

Is there a way to tell without the risk of asking her out ?

Please read the forum rules.

Please post newbie questions like this, in the newbie section.

Always give a background to who you are, and who this girl is.

If you're already asking if she's an attention whore, she probably is.

What do you have to lose by asking her out? Absolutely nothing.

Thanks, Kaotic. Will do. Tried to move it to newbie section, but I can't > I guess I will have a pass for my first time

She's just a whore.

Proceed to smash.

Buddy - there are some men who would have whipped it out already in the elevator after having been shown so much interest. Flirting is one thing - this goes into pure interest territory. Very rarely you get giant cock-teasers, but you always err at too much forwardness.

What complicates things here is that she works at the same company, so you have to tread carefully in our times. Record everything...

This case is pretty simple. She's already showing clear signs of interest. As the other guys said, you need to ask her out. It's not a risk, you can't expect anything to happen if you don't take action.

Asking her out is the test. If she won't actually come out with you, or it's like pulling teeth to get her to do so, likely attention whore. Otherwise game on.

Bend that whore over on the closest table.

Best indication of interest is that she accepts and reciprocates an advance. In other words: try it out and see how she responds. When you make a move she will give you the answer and tell you either directly or indirectly.

Hi Guys,
Here's update and asking for advice :

1- Went to talk to her on Tuesday . The conversation went really nice and she was playing with her hair and ear in the office while talking to me.

2- Asked her to go to lunch the same day . She agreed. We went down. She asked me date-like questions, when did you graduate , where you from, what do you do in the weekends. She even qualifies herself by ordering salad like me and making up stories that she goes to the GYM. So much more.

3- Since she is a coworker. I planned to wait till today and then ask her out .

4-I did today ask her out. She said she is seeing someone. It was a shock for me. I asked her if she is happy and said plain yes .I said you don't look like you are . She kept asking me why . I told her I will tell her over the text not inside the company. I asked for her phone number and I got it.


I might have screwed up in the first lunch as I didn't demonstrate higher value when she asked about what do I do in the weekend. I thought I don't have to say much as I don't come as bragger . And I thought I am already in.


Guys, thoughts please to learn

You have to understand WOMEN LOVE ATTENTION - aka guys who will orbit their ego and praise them.

Another big thing I didn't realize is that this is a woman at a company you work with.

If you're serious about your work and it's in a professional setting then I would advise hitting on any girls or dating any girls in the company.

Girls love to flirt, even if they're in committed relationships, because "it's not cheating"

Just because you ask a girl to coffee or lunch DOESN'T mean she's actually "interested" in you.


Looking at this in hindsight - I wouldn't of taken her to lunch, I would've done something in the evening that was more fun (I'm not sure if either of you drink, a bar would be a great place).

Quote: (04-09-2018 05:56 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You have to understand WOMEN LOVE ATTENTION - aka guys who will orbit their ego and praise them.

Another big thing I didn't realize is that this is a woman at a company you work with.

If you're serious about your work and it's in a professional setting then I would advise hitting on any girls or dating any girls in the company.

Girls love to flirt, even if they're in committed relationships, because "it's not cheating"

Just because you ask a girl to coffee or lunch DOESN'T mean she's actually "interested" in you.


Looking at this in hindsight - I wouldn't of taken her to lunch, I would've done something in the evening that was more fun (I'm not sure if either of you drink, a bar would be a great place).

Thanks, man. She has been eyeballing me even in the company gym for almost 6 months . I was holding back till she really starts touching my bicep.This when I posted here and asked for a advice. I thought it would be easy lay.

It was lunch inside the company, so I will take it one step at the time. I was trying to balance it off.

Man, I know it wasn't only lunch or coffee. Touching and even playing with her hair and ears.

I felt I got played off. I was so pissed off

You did get played, you can be pissed, but make this a learning lesson, and move on from this girl.

Play it cool and keep things light and friendly but don't invest anymore time in her.


I'm trying to understand: Do you both work at this company you keep mentioning? Do you work in the same department? Is this a large professional company?

Quote: (04-09-2018 06:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You did get played, you can be pissed, but make this a learning lesson, and move on from this girl.

Play it cool and keep things light and friendly but don't invest anymore time in her.


I'm trying to understand: Do you both work at this company you keep mentioning? Do you work in the same department? Is this a large professional company?

Yes, she works in the floor, but not the same department. Actually, we never work together. I am telling I was holding back till she went IOI's nuclear on me.

Side Note :She mentioned today all her friends who dated Arab got hurt. Maybe she made up her mind during the weekend not to date arab.

The lesson I want to learn is there any beta trails that attract attention whore ? This is not my first time

I'm assuming you're Arab, and she's decided not to date men of your race based on her friends experiences?

I don't think this has much to do with Beta traits.

More along the lines of:

You saw IOI's
You asked her out
She accepted
You went to lunch
She said she was seeing someone
She makes an offhand comment of how Arabs hurt girls


You did pick on her IOI's and body language that's good.

But I wouldn't of went to lunch with her.

Her saying arabs hurt girls sounds like an excuse or maybe slight racism - I'm not sure of the context and it's a bit hard to understand because I'm guessing english isn't your main language.

Quote: (04-09-2018 07:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I'm assuming you're Arab, and she's decided not to date men of your race based on her friends experiences?

I don't think this has much to do with Beta traits.

More along the lines of:

You saw IOI's
You asked her out
She accepted
You went to lunch
She said she was seeing someone
She makes an offhand comment of how Arabs hurt girls


You did pick on her IOI's and body language that's good.

But I wouldn't of went to lunch with her.

Her saying arabs hurt girls sounds like an excuse or maybe slight racism - I'm not sure of the context and it's a bit hard to understand because I'm guessing english isn't your main language.

Yes, I am Egyptian/ Arab
Yes, English is my second language
I went to lunch with her last week. She said she went to Egypt and she loves to go back. She said her sister's BF is Egyptian. She said she has a lot of Arab friends

Today, I went to talk to her BEFORE asking her out. She said she doesn't like her sister's BF. And she said between the lines that all her friends who dated Arab . Those girls got emotionally hurt.

Then, I thought maybe this is a shit test. I did ask her out .She said she is seeing someone .

Man, I just couldn't believe you have no idea . Last week she was almost begging me . She qualified herself a lot. Man, at one point last week, she put her arm around mine like how the couples walk.

This made today telling her " I do not believe her" .

But the overall process was very light and friendly and she was joking even after she said she is seeing someone.


Here's another question. I pushed her a little bit . Because I thought this would be persistence . Was this beta too ?

Whenever in doubt about her interest, simply escalate and make a move. That's the only way.

The most fool proof method I've found is ramping up Kino. If she lets you play with her hair, touch her neck etc. she is comfortable, go for the kill. There's no way to know otherwise.

Latin girls and Middle Eastern girls are HUGE cockteasers. Hell they might even rub against your pecs and when you move in she will throw the BS "I'm not available" your way. At that point you either persist for a bit (so you can't say you didnt try) or burn that bridge. Girls that attention whore like this are evil incarnate and should not be allowed to take up any more sec of your life.

Stop texting her, stop talking to her. She will try to get a reaction out of you, that's her drug. Bitch you wanna play you gotta pay.

Girls’ IOI and flirting behaviour comes from their unconscious mind

Decision to accept dinner date and date you comes from the conscious ego.

Ego and unconscious mind are not always in tune, particularly in women. She is likely unconsciously attracted to you but her ‘reasonable’ ego has decided that you’re not a good prospect and rationalizes it (‘you’re Arab’).

It’s not a bad situation (much better than when the ego likes you but the unconscious doesn’t) but it’s difficult to untangle in a corporate environment.

very interested in this topic

obviously this girl is still putting out enough bait and has even given him her number

should he:
(i) pursue her actively (probably not)

(ii) be friendly to her (probably not)

(iii) essentially ignore her and let her initiate all the communication? (probably) but be pleasant to her if she does (work environment)

Quote: (04-10-2018 04:26 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Girls’ IOI and flirting behaviour comes from their unconscious mind

Decision to accept dinner date and date you comes from the conscious ego.

Ego and unconscious mind are not always in tune, particularly in women. She is likely unconsciously attracted to you but her ‘reasonable’ ego has decided that you’re not a good prospect and rationalizes it (‘you’re Arab’).

It’s not a bad situation (much better than when the ego likes you but the unconscious doesn’t) but it’s difficult to untangle in a corporate environment.

Spot on , man. You know what even when she was saying she is seeing someone ( Rejecting me ). She was playing with her hair and have eye-contact.

Quote: (04-10-2018 04:53 AM)bonkers Wrote:  

very interested in this topic

obviously this girl is still putting out enough bait and has even given him her number

should he:
(i) pursue her actively (probably not)

(ii) be friendly to her (probably not)

(iii) essentially ignore her and let her initiate all the communication? (probably) but be pleasant to her if she does (work environment)

Yes, I will go with the third as it is work.

Side Note: I am not trying to get her back or something. I was just venting with you, guys and see what went wrong in the process.

I WAS SHOCKED

I would guess the boyfriend isn't satisfying her fix for attention and validation, so she seeks it outside of the relationship. Latin women in particular have an insatiable desire for attention. Sometimes a girl who's in a relationship that has gotten stale or complacent wants to know she has definite fall back options before ending it, but there's not enough evidence to show that's the case here.

Even if she is shopping around, it's not worth the risk. There will probably be a lot of guilt and drama if she leaves her boyfriend. With so much job related downside potential I wouldn't get sucked into her telenovela script (life imitates bad art for latin women). I would just focus your energy on meeting people outside of work.

Alright , guys .
Confirmed . She has a boyfriend for 3 years . Maybe she was shopping for better option as he doesn’t have a good job like mine .

Quote: (04-10-2018 09:51 AM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

Alright , guys .
Confirmed . She has a boyfriend for 3 years . Maybe she was shopping for better option as he doesn’t have a good job like mine .

Hate to break it to you but you were her ego boost. Don't be that beta chode. Move on lad.