Quote: (03-01-2018 01:58 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Yeah.. You're right. It's easy...

I'd never fight one of those guys. Well, I'd do it in a bar, like a fist fight or some shit, but nothing to do with work. I wouldn't try to kill a Canadian soldier.

Bro you're missing the point. I'm suggesting a mutually beneficial arrangement based on a referendum. I don't want to invade Canada! lol.

See my above post. You need the context of that to better understand my argument.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Sooner or later our loving leaders will want to merge the US with Canada AND MEXICO, so you just wait your time - it will be one happy multicultural family.

Bro they merged us with mexico unwillingly, ie enforced diversity via illegal immigration and "they're poor and need jobs" argument from idiots.

Joining US with Canada would be the opposite of multicultural. It would preserve existing culture, whereby preparing us for a greater conflagration in the future where our culture could be wiped out.

It was only after going to Canada, as a Texan, and speaking with some hard working Western Ontorioans, that I realized we had like the exact same values. And you're going to tell me that just because historically we grew up across the border, we're not the same people...? Hm... same ancestry, same religion, same economic values, same moral values... We're the same... Even if we're not, which is not the case we're so much alike we would get along.

You're missing the point:

The Canadians do NOT want to be Americans.

There's no annex....

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:06 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Annex Canada, so long as you annex Australia right after that. All those cold Albertans are going to need somewhere other than Mexifornia to have summer holidays, and I want non-recourse mortgages, goddammit.

Stick to the argument at hand. I maintain that annexing canada is the most desirable given how similar we are and our common interests. Australia is a much harder scenario than Canada.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:09 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

LOL how ignorant.

You're talking about annexing an entire fucking country... And you don't realize most of the entire western US was Mexico? Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada, Oregon, Washington...

Not an argument my friend. Borders change man. But Canada gets to keep their borders so whatever. The world is a dynamic place. We have to take steps to preserve ourselves and ally with brothers to protect our culture.

Pffffft....

You'd have the same lifestyle and likely the religious values if you went to rural Alabama......

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:27 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

You're missing the point:

The Canadians do NOT want to be Americans.

There's no annex....

I maintain that Canadians already are basically americans in terms of values culture, their foreign policy etc. I already addressed this concern man you're being non-responsive. They get to be part of a multi-state entity and have their own flag and shit. They still are Canadian. Annexation is mutually benefical, and that's why people would be in favor. Refer to my earlier post, the future doesn't look good.

Implementation: as I suggested a referendum, preceded by a campaign in favor of it.

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Quote: (03-01-2018 02:32 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Pffffft....

You'd have the same lifestyle and likely the religious values if you went to rural Alabama......

Argument?

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:28 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

Not an argument my friend. Borders change man. But Canada gets to keep their borders so whatever. The world is a dynamic place. We have to take steps to preserve ourselves and ally with brothers to protect our culture.

Um... There was a book about this and some people believe it's inevitable. It would require some EU style arrangement where Canada and the US become one economic zone.

A full political merger would require a lot of negotiated laws. Canadians like their government run medical system, no matter how shitty it runs. We would have to either allow them to continue it or institute something similar. 15 years ago I would have laughed at the idea, but post-Obama Care... the US has devolved into a medical shithole. Before we had the best medical system in the world for 80% of the population... now we have the shittiest most expensive healthcare in the industrialized world. Thanks Liberalism!

Speaking of Liberalism... would we really want to add a bunch of semi-retarded Cunty liberal Canadians into our Union? They would permanently fuck the balance of power in the US.... I mean it's going to happen anyway but why rush it along?

Also... they elected Justin Trudeau. I don't think they can be trusted with the vote.

Folks, this is what autism looks like.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:37 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:28 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

Not an argument my friend. Borders change man. But Canada gets to keep their borders so whatever. The world is a dynamic place. We have to take steps to preserve ourselves and ally with brothers to protect our culture.

Um... There was a book about this and some people believe it's inevitable. It would require some EU style arrangement where Canada and the US become one economic zone.

A full political merger would require a lot of negotiated laws. Canadians like their government run medical system, no matter how shitty it runs. We would have to either allow them to continue it or institute something similar. 15 years ago I would have laughed at the idea, but post-Obama Care... the US has devolved into a medical shithole. Before we had the best medical system in the world for 80% of the population... now we have the shittiest most expensive healthcare in the industrialized world. Thanks Liberalism!

Speaking of Liberalism... would we really want to add a bunch of semi-retarded Cunty liberal Canadians into our Union? They would permanently fuck the balance of power in the US.... I mean it's going to happen anyway but why rush it along?

Also... they elected Justin Trudeau. I don't think they can be trusted with the vote.

I don't know that it's inevitable. As globalism continues, most nation boundaries themselves may become irrelevant. In fact I'm suggesting this arrangement because I want to avoid that issue. I do not know if it was right of me to suggest an EU-style arrangment, because I myself am not a fan at all, I'm just using it as an example of a place where you have free movement and access to common markets. That's what I think is good for the US and Canada. The other stuff can be up to negotiation. Not a good idea to get mired down in hypothetical details, merely I'm just trying to outline the desirability of a common union.

They can keep their med system. fine. Medical system in US gone downhill because of insurance companies, expansion of entitlements, and people not paying cash for healthcare. Also AMA cartel. We have best research and treatment in the world because we have a more free market system than basically any other country. Also, gov't here doesn't purchase drugs here for us or mandate drug prices, which means more innovation b/c people seek out new drugs for a profit.

The liberal canadians are no different than currently liberal americans (people and states). They should be physically removed! that's why I favor secession for them, because we are too polarized to stay together, although maybe I'm wrong. They're not going to move into the US, so they're not going to screw up governance here. I don't know what all the specifics of the arrangement would be, getting way into the details here, but i'm sure steps could be taken to protect interests of both the US and Canadian entities so sovereignty isn't compromised.

Figurehead leaders are great, but there's a lot more that goes on in Congress, and at state and local levels, and deep state for that matter, than just the one leader.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:44 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Folks, this is what autism looks like.

Cool man, so either you're joking with me or you've just insulted me... Happy to report I'm not on the Spectrum!

I try to keep civil as possible because i don't allow emotion to cloud my rationality. I'm not joking, so if you take issue with something, form an argument.

Look - of course Canada and the US could easily be combined with a very similar people.

But the question is simply useless - if the US truly one day annexes Canada, then it won't be pretty - by then the US might be a dysfunctional shithole sitting on a ton of military equipment and just wanting a whiff of the Canadian oil reserves.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:58 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Look - of course Canada and the US could easily be combined with a very similar people. Thank you!

But the question is simply useless - if the US truly one day annexes Canada, then it won't be pretty - by then the US might be a dysfunctional shithole sitting on a ton of military equipment and just wanting a whiff of the Canadian oil reserves. I would say reserves aren't really an issue for us in the future because US itself has a lot. A dysfunctional future is something to worry about. Immigration policy of both US and Canada worries me, because will become like Sweden with all the grenade attacks. I think the only desirable annexation scenario is one that is agreed on by both parties.

I'm going to have to give a big fuck no from an American perspective, and I'm sure Canadians feel similarly. Based on the direction Canada is headed politically, it would be like adding another California. Imagine more sanctuary states (or provinces) full of insane lefties, social justice warriors, etc. Any kind of North American union is a terrible idea.

Adding Alberta and only Alberta might be cool.

Looking where it is headed it seems rather that Canada will be a multicultural hellhole controlled by the Chinese.

Sociologically speaking there is a strong urge to fractionalize in the world due to more and more political polarization.

It's only TPTB that favors more and more globalization.

That's why the EU is breaking up, for instance, and why there's always talk about the US splitting into red and blue states or even more demographic/regional divisions.

Trump-election secession movements:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...con-valley

Obama-election secession movements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state..._secession

More discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/c...ed_states/

Expect this trend towards ever more division to continue both here and abroad.

Even in Canada you have the Francophiles vs. the rest.

Canadians view America the same way the Baltic states view Russia: as an aggressor. And to be fair, they have a point. I don't know what the stats are but I'd be willing to bet the majority of Canadians do not want to be involved in US-sponsored wars and would rather do their own thing.

Quote: (03-01-2018 08:11 AM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  

I'm going to have to give a big fuck no from an American perspective, and I'm sure Canadians feel similarly. Based on the direction Canada is headed politically, it would be like adding another California. Imagine more sanctuary states (or provinces) full of insane lefties, social justice warriors, etc. Any kind of North American union is a terrible idea.

Adding Alberta and only Alberta might be cool.

I'd love to annex the red pill canadians but i fear it wouldn't work out. It would be interpreted as an act of money grabbing and as an act of aggression. I think we would have to take the whole country for it to be palatable.

Quote: (03-01-2018 08:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Looking where it is headed it seems rather that Canada will be a multicultural hellhole controlled by the Chinese.

It probably is, but the sad thing is we're (US) on a faster track for it than Canada. Ever look at the amount of illegal immigrants we take in yearly?

The Chinese initially settled on colonizing Canada, possibly because of their favorable immigration policies. And so they have, the West-Coast (Vancouver area) is a complete mess, with the Chinese language almost becoming the dominant language, and high prices for real estate that price out actual Canadians. The same scenario is now repeating itself on the American west coast, with similar results. I had a good chinese friend that went to university here in the US, and let me tell you, they are ambitious as hell. He was from the upper class and was going back to China to run the family business. They had already secured green cards through hundreds of thousands of dollars in real estate (or business purchases), he openly told me what his families goals were, as well as the goals of his fellow countrymen. I took him seriously.

Better idea: Leave Canada alone.


Balkanize the U.S.
Only share the military for external threats.
Domestic spending (anything non-military) is handled at the regional level.

We could get a 2nd grader to regionalize it into a handful of parts.
It would require some legal expertise on the constitution and legal precedence being adopted by all regions.



Easy peasy

For anyone who wants a more reasonable discussion of Canada and U.S. history and relations, you'll find a lot of comments in this older thread:

thread-25096...pid1051268

Quote: (03-01-2018 12:58 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

First of all, you're insane.

Second of all, one can't annex a sovereign country.

Third of all, have you ever been to Canada? It's a total shit-show of freaks.

We already have that. It's called California, Oregon, and Washington.

If you want to "annex" an entire country that hasn't the population of Los Angeles, you're tripping.

They'd resist us with millions of asians/muslims, plumes of pot smoke, vibrating dildos, and pink/purple hair dyes and facial piercings.

Perhaps America could trade California, Oregon, and Washington for a lifetime supply of Crown Royal Whiskey and a few hockey pucks.

I think this is about as realistic and probably a better deal for the USA.

Thoughts?

Quote: (03-01-2018 10:05 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

Sociologically speaking there is a strong urge to fractionalize in the world due to more and more political polarization.

It's only TPTB that favors more and more globalization.

That's why the EU is breaking up, for instance, and why there's always talk about the US splitting into red and blue states or even more demographic/regional divisions.

Trump-election secession movements:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...con-valley

Obama-election secession movements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state..._secession

More discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/c...ed_states/

Expect this trend towards ever more division to continue both here and abroad.

Even in Canada you have the Francophiles vs. the rest.

In US, the secession movements are viewed as a joke honestly. They are weak, and the government monitors them and takes steps to limit their reach. Ever hear a pro-secession perspective on MSM? Nope. Lot of anti-Russia propaganda is saying its the Russians orchestrating the secession movements. The Civil War is the precedent, and secession was suppressed by force. The US government is now to powerful to allow one of these movements to succeed. I imagine if one of these movements started to gain traction, it would be suppressed much like the movement in Catalonia. The globalists are fully opposed to secession, so you see a crazy mental aerobics, whereby the ask for Tibetan secession or Kosovo secession, but reject Catalonia secession, Quebec secession, or Crimean/ Eastern Ukraine annexation.

Red state blue state gap grows larger, but secession movement has only had minuscule support, and most americans worship our federal government and it's huge power. As long as states retain control of social issues, which they are, we'll remain together. As I said earlier I think the difference between Texas and California is bigger than the difference between middle America and middle Canada.

Quote: (03-01-2018 11:53 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Canadians view America the same way the Baltic states view Russia: as an aggressor. And to be fair, they have a point. I don't know what the stats are but I'd be willing to bet the majority of Canadians do not want to be involved in US-sponsored wars and would rather do their own thing.

That's interesting. If we're an aggressor why are: they hosting our military bases, in NATO with us, sending combat troups to our wars, signing NAFTA with us, so fawning to us, and so eager to please us with new leadership of Trump. They take our culture as their own, that is for example, why Canadian broadcasting started to get pissed, and put quotas on TV to limit American influence, because the Canadians were sucking up our culture because they preferred it to their own. They have Canadian Football but that's american football with some slightly different rules. They are in the NHL, NBA, MLB, MLS, etc... They speak the same language: that's not the case in the baltics, where they actively discourage Russian and treat ethnic Russians as second class citizens (read up on the subject if you're interested, it is really fascinating stuff).

If Canadians don't want to be involved in US-sponsored wars, then well, why are they? Why do they cooperate with us in the Five Eyes alliance? They have a democracy, yet so much of they do is lockstep with what we do.

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:24 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2018 02:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Sooner or later our loving leaders will want to merge the US with Canada AND MEXICO, so you just wait your time - it will be one happy multicultural family.

Bro they merged us with mexico unwillingly, ie enforced diversity via illegal immigration and "they're poor and need jobs" argument from idiots.

Joining US with Canada would be the opposite of multicultural. It would preserve existing culture, whereby preparing us for a greater conflagration in the future where our culture could be wiped out.

It was only after going to Canada, as a Texan, and speaking with some hard working Western Ontorioans, that I realized we had like the exact same values. And you're going to tell me that just because historically we grew up across the border, we're not the same people...? Hm... same ancestry, same religion, same economic values, same moral values... We're the same... Even if we're not, which is not the case we're so much alike we would get along.

I'm glad that people are seriously considering this, at least as a thought experiment. Of course, it would never work.

One question that hasn't been asked is- what's in it for the Canadians? In order to willingly give up their sovereignty, what are they getting in return (aside from the intangible advantages of "being an American" whatever that means, especially to a Canadian who isn't deprived of freedom, liberty, or a decent standard of living in the first place)?