So I finally booked my fabled (in my own mind) trip outside of my inescapable US/Western Europe/Iran triangle.

Highlights of this thread in case you don't want to read my long windedness (please do read if you so choose in order to get my opinions on each spot, which are researched to an extent on this site and other places):

A. Which city to ride out Ramadan?
B. Phnom Penh, Shanghai, Tokyo, Taipei
C. Second group that drop dramatically in terms of what I intend, but that are still relevant: Seoul, Mumbai, Tehran, Some party place in Oz, Bali.


My primary goals/concerns for this month are in this order:

1. Poosy paradise/ease of getting laid/quality and quantity of girls (I realize I can stay extra in Thailand or Phils or something, and I am attracted to every race, skin tone, and all that equally).
2. Cost. Best bang for my buck. This isn't 100% a bang trip, it is also to a smaller extent a ride out my investments in a cheaper country (than the US) while seeing a different lifestyle and finishing getting in shape type trip to. Don't get me wrong, #1 above is still #1, but it's not everything.
3. Seeing some things that will expand my mind as visiting Iran for the first time (as an adult, once when I was three) did. I had never really seen people walking slowly between cars that were speeding on highways, 3 grown men riding on the same small motorcycle going opposite of traffic, and things like that. This isn't #1 or #2 for a reason, but it is still relevant. I am sure I will see things on this trip I never have before like what they say of street kids in Manila cooking garbage meat on the streets (no idea if that is actually a thing or I'm just gullible), and not only will this sort of thing enrich my mind but I'm sure also help my game in so many ways even beyond most interesting man in the room/world type stuff.



As of a couple of weeks I will be heading to the Philippines, Vietnam, and Thailand in that order. All of the flights and accommodations are booked for those three countries. The plan, originally, was to just add Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta to those first three and call it a day, possibly back West, but to Latin America.


So I've posted a tiny bit about how I was once in Iran for Ramadan, and I think it is needless to say I will not under my free will spend the month of Ramadan in a Muslim majority country again (unless I'm banging some Arab movie star chick or a King's wife).


For that reason and because the rain issue will calm down in both KL and Jak after Ramadan, I am thinking of riding out that month in another nearby location.


I know this is entirely subjective, but can any of you that know this region give your take on the following cities and which you'd pick and why (I know all the cities I'm listing are not SEA, I'll give a small line about my opinion on the place too):

1. Phnom Penh- Cheap, would be cool to say I was there (not a backpacker "when I was in India type" though), would see a place I've probably never seen anything like in my life (lifestyle, poverty, nature, everything), and from what I've gathered a bit of a poosy paradise if it is in fact easier than Vietnam (I know not the EASIEST country, but still relatively very easy).

2. Shanghai- The areas I looked at are kind of pricey (trying to keep my month long stops under 1.5k USD if possible), pollution, overpopulation. The positives are obvious, maybe will become the great city on earth in the great power, Chinese girls are decently cool and I like them, total party city from what I hear, I know some people out there, shouldn't be too hard to get it in with several Chinese girls. Oh, also no Mandarin for me, so it's going to be body language and English speaking all day.

3. Tokyo- I RESPECT the Japanese, possibly based on stereotype and history, more than many other nationalities, even though I intend to travel the earth if possible. I mean these are the people that kicked the Portuguese the fuck out and learned how to make firearms by copying European guns, and when the entire earth was getting their asses handed to them by European powers (including other Europeans), these were the first country to defeat a major European power (Russia in early 1900s).

Aside from all this historical stuff, I've dated a couple of Japanese honeys in America and while they obviously are humans like the rest of women, I can't say the extreme politeness and willingness to listen is exactly a turn off. Oh, and they are hot as f (I'm equally attracted to women of every race physically though, not in my hands at all).

I'd love to go there, but as I've read the datasheets and such it seems like 0 Japanese skills and the price will get to me. I don't really intend to ever learn Japanese unless one day I decide to live there for some reason (don't plan on that), but I don't think three months of haphazardly mixing my Spanish study with a little bit of Japanese study is going to cut it.

4. Taipei- Everyone here, and people I know personally, say this is a great spot. Seems relatively cheap, and with many of the positives of Shanghai, minus many of the negatives. My main issue with Taipei is, and I know this might sound stupid, when I end up back in the US I don't want to tell every Chinese chick "yeah I was in Taipei. What? No, I didn't step foot in China though". I feel like Taiwanese girls, who are also rarer to bump into, would be more willing to accept that I went to Shanghai or whatever. Again, I know that's a stupid concern and it really isn't an ACTUAL concern on that level, but meh. I just want to fulfill the East Asian Studies meme I saw on here

The rest, which I'm not even really considering, but that are options I will breeze through:

5. Seoul- People here say no hookup culture. I'll be in Los Angeles at some point, they're everywhere there.
6. Mumbai- People hate on India, never been there myself. I love me some Desi poosy (just got one last week), but yeah India seems like a spend a bit of time and see the lifestyle and work hard at getting laid type place. I'd love to go, but I think I'll pass.
7. Tehran- Family there, love Iranian poosy. Again, Ramadan. Also one month, especially during Ramadan, is not how you do the Iran thing as far as getting laid. Not saying it won't happen, particularly in my case, but basically rule out nearly every chick you cold approach in that last week or two if you get me.
8. Some party place in Australia- Checked Sydney out, fuck that, too expensive. I'm not a big Aussie girl boner type guy, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing that country. I'd just probably have to look into a party destination and stay in some shit hostel dorm. Doesn't sound terrible or truly amazing to me and will probably run up my costs and not lead to that many lays anyways.
9. Bali- Not a beach guy, will still be Ramadan (although I think they are Hindu there right?), and I'm already going to be in Jak. This actually makes more and more sense to me outside of that top list, but I just don't really know.


Not really considering anything else because I am either under informed about the options or they are too far, expensive, or the flight itself is too much.

Thanks for the opinions, will weigh them in my decision!

I think you should be more concerned about the weather. Ramadan is what, May/June?

The rainy season for SEA is May/June to Oct/Nov. Its really to hit to be out riding a motorbike around past April. It’s too smoky from slash and burn past March (in provinces).

Japan’s rainy season is later like June/July. Less pronounced but still humid and hot through September.

May/June might be a nice time for somewhere like Seoul or Beijing. Not too hot yet. Not too cold.

The only Muslim issue would be Jakarta or other parts of Indonesia except Bali. I guess KL too but it seems more cosmopolitan with all the chinese influence. Never been though.

A lot of guys don’t really sightsee or so much stuff outside. But weather makes a huge difference if you’re trying to hit 3-5 points of interest everyday. Or you can’t get a motorbike down a rural road because it turns to a river of mud.

People like to say oh but it in Cambodia it only rains two hours from 5:30-7:30pm. And not everyday. Yeah but if there’s been any rain in the last week good luck riding a motorbike anywhere except maybe the main streets of PP.

PP is worth about a week in my opinion. You should also consider going to some nicer destinations. That is make some loops within a country. Like PP to Sihanouk to Kampot and back. Much better than just being in PP.

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Ramadan is great. Girls cant go out and are horny. They are more likely to come straight to your hotel because the are horny and bored.

Quote: (01-20-2018 02:05 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

I think you should be more concerned about the weather. Ramadan is what, May/June?

The rainy season for SEA is May/June to Oct/Nov. Its really to hit to be out riding a motorbike around past April. It’s too smoky from slash and burn past March (in provinces).

Japan’s rainy season is later like June/July. Less pronounced but still humid and hot through September.

May/June might be a nice time for somewhere like Seoul or Beijing. Not too hot yet. Not too cold.

The only Muslim issue would be Jakarta or other parts of Indonesia except Bali. I guess KL too but it seems more cosmopolitan with all the chinese influence. Never been though.

A lot of guys don’t really sightsee or so much stuff outside. But weather makes a huge difference if you’re trying to hit 3-5 points of interest everyday. Or you can’t get a motorbike down a rural road because it turns to a river of mud.

People like to say oh but it in Cambodia it only rains two hours from 5:30-7:30pm. And not everyday. Yeah but if there’s been any rain in the last week good luck riding a motorbike anywhere except maybe the main streets of PP.

PP is worth about a week in my opinion. You should also consider going to some nicer destinations. That is make some loops within a country. Like PP to Sihanouk to Kampot and back. Much better than just being in PP.

Weather has been on my radar for a long time, even before I actually booked a ticket yesterday and got the airbnb's for the first three spots (Phils, Viet, Thai). That was specifically the reason I didn't do Jak and KL earlier on to just avoid the Ramadan issue altogether. From what I've read, and I could be wrong, not all of SEA follows the same weather pattern. KL and Jak actually have lesser amounts of rain than usual when the first three are raining hardest.

Yeah I just did the good old tinder location test and put in the PP. Didn't look too promising. I am not one to really care about "hippy backpacker chick" or "SJW" types as is rampant here, but even I was like, nope, forget that. I'm sure the reality on the ground is different and the entire capitol city isn't just smelly Western bitches, but I'll have to go with your weather and one week is enough analysis.

My top two choices were PP and Shanghai, not because I'm crazy about those two cities, but just because they made the most sense for my purposes. I'm about to do a little more research on the forum about Shanghai followed by Taipei/Tokyo. Pretty much cost effectiveness will determine which of those I chose.

Like if I can find a decent airbnb in or around the areas I want to be in one of those cities, I'll just go there. Worst case scenario I'll spend like 20 minutes a day from now until I make it to, say, Tokyo, in 3.5 months studying some Japanese. I know that won't get me very far, but at least when I stand in front of a girl in a cold approach and point to my mouth and say "sushi" repeatedly I'll be able to follow up with whether I need a restaurant or only the kind of sushi a woman can truly provide (oregato).

Quote: (01-20-2018 04:17 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

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I'm hoping this delete, which I'm guessing occured while I took a nap, wasn't something earth shattering that would have changed my life in addition to my trip. I guess I may never know.

Quote: (01-20-2018 04:21 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Ramadan is great. Girls cant go out and are horny. They are more likely to come straight to your hotel because the are horny and bored.

Not sure if you're clowning me or being serious. I guess the argument in favor of you being serious is that KL or Jak are not Iran, and the concept of asking a girl straight to your hotel in Iran is not only laughable because even prostitutes you would pay will hassle you, but it's also downright illegal.

I guess you're serious that nothing is going on during Ramadan so they are willing to straight up hit the spot. But in Kuala Lumpur, for example, I have specific reasons as to why I want to avoid Ramadan on top of what I originally said. I sort of want to go into Iranian girl hunting mode there on top of my main purpose of the different ethnic groups that make up Malaysia regularly. It's a major hub of Iranian students both from what I've heard from relatives in Iran and what guys on the forum have said and also what I'm sure a google search will confirm.

I know a lot of the Iranian girls in Malaysia want to party and all that shit and aren't hijabi conservatives, but Ramadan will be just an added issue of not being able to take them anywhere. It's been rare where I've been a place outside of LA or Iran where there are tons of Iranian girls. Iran mixing alcohol and game, while very possible, is entirely different because it's illegal. LA the Persian girls are either from there or generally have been there for a little while, so alcohol isn't the primary mover of me getting them, it is that when they respond it is at least in part wanting to be with a Persian guy.

So basically KL after Ramadan would put me in a better position, and like I said I don't want the Persian girl thing to cloud my main reason for hitting that city. The main reason is definitely Malay and ethnic Chinese and all those type chicks.

I was even considering, of all these destinations, doing both Ramadan AND the next month in KL because I don't encounter as many Malaysian chicks abroad and the Iranian girl thing. The cost of the place and other forum members reporting how it can get boring are what is holding me back.


I'm about to sit and do that research and then decide what to do. Will post soon enough.

Ok scratch that part about staying in KL potentially for the Iranian girls. Just Wikipediad it and it says there were 60k Iranians in Malaysia in 2011. I'm guessing that translates to something like 20-25k Iranian females in KL. That's lower than my hometown in America, and they aren't exactly falling from the sky here.

On to the other cities!

Haha you think too much. That might really be your problem. Delete means delete. No need to make a long post about it haha. I might write a lot more deletes in the future and it means nothing, unless you want to not take naps and not sleep for the rest of your life then you can of course track them down.

my subjective answers

1. Phnom Penh - quality of the girls is very poor but it will satisfy number 3 on primary goals/concerns

2. Shanghai - I didn't like the city and don't care for the character of Shanghai girls (little empress) but saying that ONS seem to be very easy (banged one in taiwan)

3. Tokyo - Japanese girls are in my top 3 "most beautiful in the world" category but the city/country I found so bland & sterile I had to leave after 10 days and swore I would never go back.

4. Taipei - not much to say on this one.

to be continued.....

5. Seoul - This was my favourite and I couldn't decide who was more beautiful the K or J girls for a long time. The city was everything I expected Tokyo to be, but wasn't.

6. Mumbai - see the thread on here "Again, don't go to India." but again it will satisfy number 3 on primary goals/concerns to the extreme.

7. Tehran - Never been.

8. Some party place in Australia - Used to be a cheap country pre-2007 and I thought about going back next month but dismissed it for the reasons you stated $$$.......plus I saw shocking amounts of obesity in the tourists visiting Bali.

9. Bali - still on the fence about this one......Kuta has been hammered by tourism for decades but you can still find somewhere nearby that is less intense. I was getting a lot of activity on Tinder there, mainly p4p but with the sheer amount of tourists from Indonesia and beyond the chances of hooking up are very high.

Quote: (01-20-2018 06:14 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Haha you think too much. That might really be your problem. Delete means delete. No need to make a long post about it haha. I might write a lot more deletes in the future and it means nothing, unless you want to not take naps and not sleep for the rest of your life then you can of course track them down.

I agree totally. I do think waaay too much. My brain basically runs nonstop, no joke. It is great for things like school and learning new things, but it can be a bit much. I'm not a bumbling buffoon in general though, just think a lot.

I was joking about the delete thing, not serious in the least. I think you're joking with me in your response as well, but can't be sure because of the long post comment.


I just wrote this earlier in an actual VERY long post so if anyone does actually read it it will be buried in there, but I'm basically doing nothing all day for the next two weeks before my trip partially by choice.

Not able to work or make money.

Keep turning down repeat poosy that I already got a notch from because I already got both of the girls once and I'm not in the mood to go for it again.

Trying not to spend much money because I'm trying to penny pinch to stay abroad longer.

Have no interest in the city I'm in now, my hometown, and if I had/have the financial wherewithal I would prefer not to step foot in this city again for at least a decade if ever.

Saying bye to everyone because depending on my finances I could potentially be out of the country for a good amount of time.


So basically I am just reading and writing in a forum I find informative, both giving my take on certain things and asking for advice on what I don't know.

From now on I will read every single one of your posts and make sure to leave a long comment in response *joke joke*

@Seaofp

Thanks for the response man.

I was mainly thinking of choosing between Phnom Penh and Shanghai for several reasons. My top choice would be Tokyo if I had more money and some language ability and maybe more time.

PP I guess I will rule out based on the feedback. I was on the fence about it, but I thought maybe it is a slightly easier to get laid with slightly lower quality girls than Vietnam type place. Based on the feedback, which is that one week is enough and the quality of girls is low and the whole you have to shore thing, I'm not really interested in going at this point.

Tokyo and Seoul are definitely up there for me, but everyone is saying language and lack of hookup culture is an issue for my purposes. No idea why, but I have much more of a thing for Japanese and Korean girls than Chinese. I'm into all nationalities, but something about Chinese girls does it for me much less than J and K girls. That being said I don't want to go on random dates for a month with girls I probably can't speak to well and end up empty handed because of a lack of hookup culture. One of the reasons I'm leaving my city is I feel there is no hookup culture at least compared to other places I've been.


I mean just now writing this I thought about how I could contact my cousin in Tehran and fly out there for Ramadan and stick it out for two months instead of one. If he let's me stay with him, which I'm fairly certain he will, it will basically be me and him approaching all the time when he isn't working and me approaching all the time when he is. I wouldn't even have to pay for accommodation and the dollar to toman exchange rate is phenomenal. I could easily swing two months on 1k USD if I don't have to pay for accommodations, and that is having a good time not penny pinching (not throwing cash in the sewer either). Plus, while the three month legal limit before I'd have to go to the military would be a more ideal amount of time because of the dating culture there, two months of nonstop gaming should satisfy my desires even if it begins in Ramadan.

I'd honestly rather do that than spend a month in Tokyo or Seoul if there is no hookup culture to that extent and the language issue is a big deal. Not saying I don't want to see those cities, I actually would prefer to get with Korean chicks and Japanese chicks because they have been less available to me, but I'd rather go on a future trip when my money is more up and when I can gradually develop some language basics instead of trying to penny pinch and cram Japanese and Korean into my mind between talking to Filipinas and Thai girls.


Looks like I need to hit up my cousin, who I was going to tell about my trip anyway so if he has the cash he can join me in Thailand (Iranians have hella visa restrictions, but Thailand is all good). Bat mobile

I'm not even sure why this is a thread. Just.... don't go to a majority Muslim country? (Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia). Most of those cities you posted are in countries that aren't Muslim.

Quote: (01-21-2018 01:40 AM)travolta Wrote:  

I'm not even sure why this is a thread. Just.... don't go to a majority Muslim country? (Middle East, Indonesia, Malaysia). Most of those cities you posted are in countries that aren't Muslim.

Yes, was hoping for comments such as Travel Museums you will get bored/tired of Phnom Penh after a week type thing. That is useful to know before I end up stuck in PP for 35 days.

Or Seoul is not a hookup city. Useful to know if I thought Seoul would be closer to Vietnam in terms of lays than say the Mid East.


Things along those lines from people that have been.

That's why I made the thread. Not an experienced traveler, particularly with regards to East/South East Asia where I've never been. I've been reading the Phils, Thai, Viet, Indo, and Malay threads on and off for months now, but the timing of the trip threw a wrench in the plans and made me consider hitting places I hadn't previously looked into besides a cursory glance.

Quote: (01-20-2018 10:53 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

@Seaofp


Tokyo and Seoul are definitely up there for me, but everyone is saying language and lack of hookup culture is an issue for my purposes. No idea why, but I have much more of a thing for Japanese and Korean girls than Chinese. I'm into all nationalities, but something about Chinese girls does it for me much less than J and K girls. That being said I don't want to go on random dates for a month with girls I probably can't speak to well and end up empty handed because of a lack of hookup culture.

Tokyo definitely has a hookup culture. Whoever told you otherwise is feeding you misinformation (BS)!

Can't really comment on Seoul, though my impression is that Koreans are still relatively conservative.

Quote: (01-20-2018 04:21 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Ramadan is great. Girls cant go out and are horny. They are more likely to come straight to your hotel because the are horny and bored.

That comment alone should make you the target of multiple fatwas - heh.

Avoid Australia at any cost.

I recommend Phuket.

Yeah the rainy season for Indonesia and KL is a little weirder than the rest of SEA. I remember trying to make sense of when I was planning last year.

I try to offset my time in expensive places like Tokyo or Hong Kong with time in cheaper ones like Laos or Cambodia.

One thing to consider is that places like Hong Kong or Tokyo become a lot cheaper if you rent an apt monthly, cook, use mass transit, and drink in the street VS hotel, eat out, high end nightlife.

You could spend the same in one month what you might otherwise blow in a week. Thus allowing you more time to game high quality chicks, follow a three date model (verse trying to get ONS), and potentially extend your stay by moving in with a girl (even if it means returning at the end of your trip). I’ve done this in several Asian cities.

You want a combination of poosy paradise and decent value. Hmm. I guess it’s Manila & Jakarta. I haven’t done the latter and read drinks are expensive. I also think AirBnB condos in Manila are overpriced considering what a shithole it is.

In Manila I paid $30/day for a studio in a Makati tower with gym/pool. Then Tindered for unlimited pussy delivery (I’m a good looking athletic 36 yo white dude). The quality is mediocre but many were coming directly to my door, so...