Posted this on my blog, hopefully it helps a few guys out around this line of thinking because I haven't seen many posts about this.

In Minimal Game, Aaron Sleazy says:

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A prudent businessman will not try to sell his services to all people. Instead, he will take their actual needs into account and evaluate his abilities. to solve his customers' problems. You, as a conscientious guy, should also wisely select the women you pursue. Know your preferences, strengths and weaknesses! This is much more sensible than going after random women and hoping that one will eventually bite

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If you don't get anywhere with a particular kind of girl, you have two options:

• Focus on different women
• Change yourself
  

This is become more and more apparent the more I learn about game.

I'm going to use myself as an example: I have a big incongruity between the types of girls that are into me, and the types of girls I WANT to fuck.

I have 14 flags, I've been all around the world, but my three weaknesses are all American stereotypes:

1. American sorority girls



2. Instagram thots (usually mixed or latina)



3. Gym rats:



The problem is that in the year and a half I've been in the game, I haven't been able to pull any of these girls. Obviously, the examples I gave are all 8s and 9s. But even the 6s and 7s that fit into these categories have proven to be impossible.

Instead, these are the types of women that are into me:

1. Shy Latina girls

They love that I speak Spanish, and these types of girls generally speak no or very poor English, even the ones that live in the US.

2. Crazy, slightly chubby white girls

You know, the really slutty ones with the crazy eyes who are down to fuck within 20 minutes? They love me.

3. Middle to upper-middle class black girls

Any black girl that's college-educated is extremely attracted to me, for some reason. Think an Erykah Badu type with natural hair.

4. Intellectual social justice warrior white girls

I absolutely crush it with these girls. It's like they can smell my liberal arts education a mile away. Whenever I use Hinge, I match with a ton of these girls, and San Francisco is full of them, but they give me severe limp dick. Fine to have as friends, but zero sexual attraction to me.

How can I change this?

Just like Aaron Sleazy says above, I truly believe that the only way to fuck these girls is to change your lifestyle completely. This would mean changing my social circle, clothing style, attitude, and even dumbing down my intelligence.

Sorority girls are all social circle, and are less likely to date an older guy unless they are sugaring. I've also found that they're unwilling to date a guy with a shaved head. You basically need to be the total stereotype of a WASPy American frat bro. So to fuck these girls, I would need to become these guys:



Instagram thots date low-class white new money men with social ecosystem status and extremely attractive black and latino guys. My look, while fairly serious, isn't edgy enough. I'd need to become this guy:



Now, I have a great physique and technically I should be able to attract fit girls. But just a great physique isn't enough. You actually have to have an out of proportion physique to attract fit girls, as well as go to a higher-class gym, work out in swagged out workout gear and approach girls at the gym. I'd need to become this guy:



So what can be done? I don't want to make the lifestyle changes at the moment to fit my looks into any of the above categories. Becoming a frat bro would be hardest because I'd have to change my entire social circle around. Becoming a gangster would be hard because I'm not willing to get tattoos. Becoming a jacked dude would be fairly easy, but I need to maintain an athletic physique for external athletic pursuits at the moment, so I can't use steroids or get too big.

One thing I've thought about is running three separate Tinder profiles. Each would have completely different photos and portray me in totally separate looks. Of course, everything would fall apart after hooking up with a Tinder girl a couple times because they'd get to know the real me, but at least I could fake it for a while.

I suggest not dressing for the type of girl you want to get, but rather for the venue that you'll be going to that day, and often choosing the venues that usually host the most of the type of girl you want. Be adaptable, have a few outfits and personalities you can pull out of the closet to suit the occasion.

This is interesting. In the past, I've tried to give myself a rough edge, or to dumb myself down, which has been easily seen through. I come across as wholesome and, I don't know how to say this without sounding pretentious but, sophisticated. Pretty girls don't like that, and I don't know how to adjust. As a backup plan, there's always Roosh's advice:

bitchy stuck up american sorority girls in uggs and a short skirt, yessssss

need to go shopping it looks like

Quote: (12-20-2017 09:29 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

I suggest not dressing for the type of girl you want to get, but rather for the venue that you'll be going to that day, and often choosing the venues that usually host the most of the type of girl you want. Be adaptable, have a few outfits and personalities you can pull out of the closet to suit the occasion.

I bang 90% of girls from online though. So in that case all they have is the image of you in their heads that they get from your Tinder profile/Instagram.

Quote: (12-20-2017 10:23 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Quote: (12-20-2017 09:29 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

I suggest not dressing for the type of girl you want to get, but rather for the venue that you'll be going to that day, and often choosing the venues that usually host the most of the type of girl you want. Be adaptable, have a few outfits and personalities you can pull out of the closet to suit the occasion.

I bang 90% of girls from online though. So in that case all they have is the image of you in their heads that they get from your Tinder profile/Instagram.

I don't know where you're looking online, but generally speaking the internet is not as good of a "venue" as a college hangout, club, or gym for the type of girls your looking for.

I suggest making it a goal to approach in person at least twice a day, starting particularly in the morning so you can be in a social mindset all day.

My guess is that you'll begin to enjoy approaching in the day more than you do now and also you'll get better looking girls. More exposure, more leads, more practice, better game and more bangs.

I promise to practice what I'm suggesting you to do too.

Maybe you like a challenge ..but it seems your tired of the same routine.

My advice..for an intellectual girl..down to earth..a good person..loyal..tall thin athletic...low maintenance...man focused...a life partner in every sense of the word.....(only to name a few qualities)

for you I suggest Asian..not the SEA types...more China ..Hong Kong..Japan..or Korea ones

IMO

How about improving on oneself and your attractive qualities and becoming your better self through your personality, image and experience?

Think.

I seem to recall there was a thread here somewhere on gaming "niche" girls, and that the general thread consensus was that as long as your style is not too extreme in any one direction, then being in shape and applying the correct style of game to suit the girl/situation was more important.

Regarding this...

Quote: (12-20-2017 08:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Sorority girls are all social circle, and are less likely to date an older guy unless they are sugaring. I've also found that they're unwilling to date a guy with a shaved head. You basically need to be the total stereotype of a WASPy American frat bro. So to fuck these girls, I would need to become these guys:

I'm not sure about over there, but where I'm from you can't just enter this type of social circle by getting a stupid haircut and a polo shirt. The selection process begins generations before you are born, ensuring your double-barrelled surname conveys the necessary level of wealth and status. You must attend the right exclusive boarding school, play for the right rugby team etc. These are a few of the prerequisite starting points for anyone in the group, male or female, to even notice your existence.

That's not to say the girls don't want to be fucked by a bad boy outsider. Of course they do.

I went through this a few years ago.
I figured out what girls were naturally into my "look".
Then decided if i wanted to bang them.

Being over 6 feet and muscular makes you attractive to all but a few niches.

Basic rules i have are:

Get physically jacked so you look like you lift and other guys would think twice before messing with you.
Get your clothes on point. Have several different styles of clothes you can wear to suit the situation. Not every situation requires you to be suited up.
Speak slowly and dumb yourself down, unless the girl is a actual nerd/intellectual. Not a fake one.
Learn a few languages. Learning Korean and Japanese has helped my East Asian bangs immensely.

Some girls will never be into you or your style regardless of what it is.

Quote: (12-21-2017 12:16 AM)Incubus Wrote:  

Maybe you like a challenge ..but it seems your tired of the same routine.

My advice..for an intellectual girl..down to earth..a good person..loyal..tall thin athletic...low maintenance...man focused...a life partner in every sense of the word.....(only to name a few qualities)

for you I suggest Asian..not the SEA types...more China ..Hong Kong..Japan..or Korea ones

IMO

Honest question, and not just for you. Are East Asian women really 'intellectual'?

I haven't had much experience with Japanese women, but Korean and Chinese women that are attractive tend to be tied to their phones and be into pop music. They are intelligent, yes; but not intellectual.

On the other hand, the intellectually stimulating East Asians I found were mostly fugly and unfuckable.

Maybe this is different in actual East Asia, as opposed to the universities I attended to, thus my wondering whether my impressions are wrong.

Quote: (12-21-2017 01:37 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

I seem to recall there was a thread here somewhere on gaming "niche" girls, and that the general thread consensus was that as long as your style is not too extreme in any one direction, then being in shape and applying the correct style of game to suit the girl/situation was more important.

Regarding this...

Quote: (12-20-2017 08:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Sorority girls are all social circle, and are less likely to date an older guy unless they are sugaring. I've also found that they're unwilling to date a guy with a shaved head. You basically need to be the total stereotype of a WASPy American frat bro. So to fuck these girls, I would need to become these guys:

I'm not sure about over there, but where I'm from you can't just enter this type of social circle by getting a stupid haircut and a polo shirt. The selection process begins generations before you are born, ensuring your double-barrelled surname conveys the necessary level of wealth and status. You must attend the right exclusive boarding school, play for the right rugby team etc. These are a few of the prerequisite starting points for anyone in the group, male or female, to even notice your existence.

That's not to say the girls don't want to be fucked by a bad boy outsider. Of course they do.

It's a bit easier to become a "frat bro" in the US than Australia. At the same time, guys that don't have the inner game necessary to cut it in a frat will get ousted immediately. And girls are very perceptive to the type of personality of a frat bro.

I've talked to some of my friends who are former fraternity brothers, girls will only go for guys with a certain style, look, sense of humor, and social circle. It's crazy.

You couldn't be more wrong about sorority girls. They love love love older guys. They specifically want guys to bang on the DL outside their social circle. Older guys aren't going to stalk them or brag at the next Pike mixer. We can afford something other than Natty Lite since we have jobs. We know a lot more about sex. We're not emotional retards like I was in college. We fulfill their Daddy fantasies or other taboos. Most of our lived experiences are new and different to them. They can be themselves with us. If they don't have perfectly fit bodies, we don't bang them and then yell GTFO fattie. We're not on their social media.

I can't even count how many college girls have told me they are only interested in guys minimum 27-30+. I'm in my 40s.

As you and others mentioned, the problem is with you, not them. Yeah, there's 20% of sorority girls that only date guys with the right name, clothes, background, vacation home, career path, and especially in the right frat, but that leaves millions for the rest of us.

Quote: (12-20-2017 08:34 PM)corsega Wrote:  

I'd need to become this guy:

I don't have tattoos at the moment, but both of my ears are pierced with black onyx studs. Makes a huge difference. Didn't do it for game, but it seemed to convey a bad boy vibe.

I also wear jewelry, bracelets and shit. I need more. But bracelets can help give off that vibe too. PM me if you have questions on this.

If you want to look like that guy you have to do three things:

a) buy distressed black jeans - check out some of the more "teenager" clothing stores like Aeropostale, H&M
b) buy a black fitted shirt - check out Asos.com, Zara or Topman
c) Get a bomb haircut. Bring a picture of that guy to any good stylist and she'll make you look like that.

Start with that.

I have this problem as well. In my 20s, most of the girls who were into me were hipster/alternative types. Now that I'm getting older it's a mixed bag of hipsters and assorted bitches hitting the wall. However, the girls I've always been into are girly sorority types (the local version of them, "patricinhas"). I've never banged one of those, unfortunately. I've approached them in parties and such but I don't do well with them...

For the record, hipster girls can go die in a fire. They've all become hardcore feminists in the past 2-4 years too.

Quote: (12-21-2017 06:42 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

As you and others mentioned, the problem is with you, not them. Yeah, there's 20% of sorority girls that only date guys with the right name, clothes, background, vacation home, career path, and especially in the right frat, but that leaves millions for the rest of us.

70-80% of sorority girls who are like this, not 20%.

Do you have to get the girls in America?

You could go to Europe (example - Norway) and meet several women who are like this:

1.) Hotter than USA Sorority girls
2.) Hotter than most IG whores
3.) Have the body of a gymrat

@Mensch...good question on east asians being "intellectual" I had to google it! One blurb I found is below

Another foundational problem with the East Asian superiority thesis is, as Jensen himself notes, we have no idea what a random sample of the population of China or even Japan is: see Jensen interview with American Renaissance, May 26 1992. Intelligence would vary greatly in any population encompassing nearly one third of humanity. Who knows where the mean IQ actually lies?

Collins Dictionary >> Intellectual means involving a person's ability to think and to understand ideas and information
ALSO>>>> An intellectual is someone who spends a lot of time studying and thinking about complicated ideas

Mensch your observation of Korean, Japanese, Chinese chicks being tied to there phones is probably valid....but "one third of humanity is Asian" .......even the psychologists are hard pressed to answer that question. (from above)

Lets take it a step further and go into "emotional intelligence" do we not all assume that even if a East Asian chick is on the phone that once the phone is gone (for whatever reason) that that Asian chick comes with much more depth/quality than your classic western airhead chick without a phone? (up for debate I guess)

Last Chinese girlfriend I had I knew she had me beat in so many brain areas..LMAO....for some reason she liked whitey my only saving grace I imagine.

Back to the thread!...I'll never again party with "frat guys" because they are too dull ....and sorority debutantes are even more bland and dull actually my mind was shocked that people like this even existed. These school types are bred to disappear and never be seen in public again. They all understand what the future is for themselves. DULL with money

And no you can't improve yourself to fit in with these inbred hacks and why would you want to. DonnyGately got it ....you just have to be around when a chick decides she wants to play outside of the "country club"

I just see it like this.Be the best you you can be. Approach these type if girls once a day. Follow the roosh v program and you will have pipeline of pussy of your type in 1-2 years.patience is a virtue.

Sounds like limiting beliefs.

If you like slutty sorority types, gym girls, and IG hoes then just exclusively game those 3 groups of girls and go hard at it. Even you have a 99% failutlre rate, that means out of 100 approaches then 1 of them will hook (thanks Gio).

Find out what worked and develop it. At the end of the day they are all broads and similar things get them going. Being an attractive dude with a good physique who isn't needed and has means never didn't get anyone laid

Those are all basically the same type of girl. Hot little 8s and 9s based in America. 10s only exist in photoshopped images.

Being in the right social circle and having the right look helps, but the hard part is going to be getting through the bitchy, bratty princess egos that have been inflated to astronomical levels by everyone since age 5. As well as an suspicious and difficult attitude towards all men put there by their feminist upbringing.

Then you will also have to endure some of the most braindead conversation known to man, as girls that hot are normally lacking in anything interesting to say as men always pretend to be interested in their boring chit chat.

To stand out amongst the sea of supplicating guys, never ever compliment them and always be teasing/negging them instead. To do consistently well you would probably need something other than just game you're right (famous local dj/musician, huge physique)

Good luck.

you are a joke to be honest

I like your logical approach in reviewing where you had success and where you didn't. I appreciate guys on this forum who are thinking outside the box but I have to push back on some of the ideas in this thread.

But realize that you can't be all things to everyone. If you go on a mission to be a chameleon, you are not authentic. Worry less about the girls and focus more on being confident in who you are. You are taking your weakness - lack of confidence - and doubling down on it. This is a mistake.

Also, it is a self limiting belief that you have to look a certain way to get a certain type of girl. That is not true at all. In fact, it may be counterproductive. Sorority girls only ever meet frat guys. But if you pull up on a motorcycle and look a little dangerous, you are 1,000 more interesting.

Again, going to the gym is a good idea but it is a self-limiting belief that you have to be jacked to have success. I know guys who are old, balding, fat, who pull 20-something pussy regularly. This guy has invited girls over for threesomes, to swinger parties for first dates, etc. What is the secret - insane inner confidence and a belief that its possible. Telling yourself you have to be jacked or look fratty to get a girl is the opposite.

Realize that these are subtle forms of excuses. If you tell yourself you are not getting this girl because you aren't jacked or don't look fratty, you are giving yourself an excuse to not try with those girls. As life goes on, your list of excuses and your excuse muscle - your ability to make excuses - only gets bigger. Imagine if you were 49, balding, with a pot belly, what excuses you would make for yourself?

The point is you can always come up with excuses, and some of them are very convincing. And you'll get nowhere fast if you indulge in this.

Its hard to have inner game when you are young and your experiences are limited. But Donny Gately is right that sometimes being different - for example the older guy - is actually an advantage.

Finally, your post touches on something that is at the heart of a lot of debates in Game but rarely discussed: If you are good at game, should you be able to get any girl? Your question assumes this is the case, and the PUA-promoters who sell online courses and coaching pretend that that is the case. But if you study game, you know that oneitis is one of the biggest traps. I think everyone will have a different view on this. In my life, I have had enough women and with game I have gotten more than my fair share. But my experience has been that it hasn't always been women that I sought. But life is too short to worry about that. If an attractive woman wants me, even if its not the one I set out to get, then I have accomplished something.

It sounds like you too are getting more than your fair share, but for some reason you focus on the girls you are not getting. Focus on what you have accomplished, double down on what is working, instead of focusing on what is missing. You will be much happier, and probably busier with the girls who like what you offer.

My suggestion would be to try tier 2 or 3 cities instead of trying to deal with them in the top cities. Thats where youre right that you will need something else besides game.

But the thing about the US is that chicks far and wide can now achieve those looks/lifestyle you’re talking about. And would be far more approachable in Jupiter or Ft. Lauderdale fl vs. Miami.

I am in a similar position to you in terms of the 8s and 9s not co-operating, although we have different types, a lot of guys experience this in western society.

My advice (and what i am doing) is to travel and find replacements for the 3 types.

American sorority girls: you could probably find girls in eastern europe with similar looks that are actually equally as attractive and will be a benefit to you as oppose to a burden.

Insta Thots: Insta thots in USA/UK waste of time. Go to Latin America, there is girls there with sub 2,000 followers that are way finer then british thots that have 50,000 its just the way shit is, yeh there is some huge latina insta thots too, but latin america has a lot of fine women. and they dont all fit the insta thot mold, there is a lot of natural types too.

gym rats: I heard good things about a Brazil.

Summary:
Work on yourself, financially, career, investment, passive income. gym.

in 6-15 years time, lets say you are earning $10k-$30k a month passively all those types of women will still be available and you will be dealing with them on your terms, with a harem if you wish.

I would follow this plan, rather then trying to change myself into what is trendy to them at that time.

I would follow the motto, build it and they will come. Build an empire and you will sit on the throne like caesar and you will be able to summon any women you wish.

instead of delayed gratification its transferred gratification, i am fine with not dealing with british women for 5-8 years (only dealing with women abroad) if it means i can take the cream of the crop of british women in 5 years time. Dealing with a 9 in uk/usa would not only be extremely hard to get it would be hard to financially/mentally to maintain. The minute you slip shes off unless shes absolutely infatuated with you (unlikely). You don't want that type of weight when your building companies/portfolios. Foreign women are also more likely to handle women stuff like cooking and cleaning when they are around you too.