I'm 5'5. When I wear my construction boots, I'm 5'7. Some women are simply not attracted to short men, which is fine. I am not attracted to fat women, and that's my choice.

Though I do find it funny that when men are open about not being into fat women "that's so sexist" and "you should be more open minded."

Yet women can openly and freely talk about just how horribly unattractive short men are.

What's worse is that fat is a lifestyle.

Short? I didn't choose to be short, and I can't fix it.

Quote: (11-30-2017 12:10 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

Quote: (11-30-2017 11:29 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

If I'm not the only one doing this (and I really don't know the answer to that) then it means short guys face less competition going after short women.

This is purely anecdotal, but at 5'6" the VAST majority of my ~ two dozen bangs have been with girls +/- two inches of my height. I've never banged a really short girl (like < 5'2") but have slept with multiple women several inches taller than me.

I've also noticed that the shortest girls (at least here in America) often end up with the tallest guys. This observation combined with my experience above lead me to an evo-psych theory where a short girl's subconscious knows that if she mates with an equally short guy, the kids would more likely than not turn out VERY short, so perhaps it compels her to be attracted to overly tall man, such that their genes would average out to produce normal height children.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I'd be interested in hearing whether other short guys here tend to have more luck with even shorter girls or those right around their height.

I find that for the most part, I have trouble landing and keeping short girls.

My ideal is a short girl, about 5'1 or 5'2, with a little bit of meat on the bones (but not fat).

Not into the Crossfit women, beach bodies, or runners. I want a little spinner who I can also titty fuck.

Unfortunately, I've found that they usually want a 6'0 guy.

My easiest lays tend to be my own height - 5'5. I've found women in that height range don't really care if a guy is a little tall or a little short.

I'm 5'8 ish (maybe close to 5'9 idk) That double standard has always existed, there's no point (besides trolling) and saying that to some female.

Nothing dries up pussy faster.

I don't have a height preference, pretty sure my main is tall as me, with heels she for sure is obviously, I dig it. (My ex was the same)

Anytime I get the chance to bang/game a tall girl I take it, I always tell my boys that tall girls are breeders (give my offspring some height )

-Some chicks like tall dudes, oh well, get over it.
-Some chicks prefer tall dudes but don't mind if you aren't
-Some chicks don't care

The best way to disarm a girl who asks about height is to say, "Hah are you one of those insecure tall girls who worries about height?"

-Wait for their response, which usually, is a defensive no or explanation.

This is the killshot: "I'm not worried about height, it's just a number, I've dated a 6'2 volleyball player" (True, or just bullshit it)

Typically this disarms them and you move the conversation forward.

I used harbor alot of self hate for not being tall, now I just don't care, their loss not mine.

Girls who aren't going to bang you.....aren't going to bang you.

Keep it moving.

I'm 6'3 in my head. I basically act like it doesn't exist.

However, I'm just not very attracted to taller girls.

My last main was cute, sucked cock at the drop of a dime, and treated me like a king. But man, I couldn't get over the fact that she was taller than me.

I was a dick and sort of did the fade, but it was mostly because work got super busy, and chasing tail is a relatively low priority for me right now. I get more excited about winning a big case than getting my cock sucked...

Quote: (11-30-2017 05:08 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I'm 5'5. When I wear my construction boots, I'm 5'7. Some women are simply not attracted to short men, which is fine. I am not attracted to fat women, and that's my choice.

Though I do find it funny that when men are open about not being into fat women "that's so sexist" and "you should be more open minded."

Yet women can openly and freely talk about just how horribly unattractive short men are.

What's worse is that fat is a lifestyle.

Short? I didn't choose to be short, and I can't fix it.

Only true to an extent.

Being short is a relative term, you're only "short" if someone else is taller than you.

So by staying in the West, you actually are choosing to be short.

In many countries in the East, you'd be at least average height.

So in a way, by choosing to stay in the West, you are choosing to be short, and you can "fix" it, it would be a lot of hard work, but location independence would "fix" it.

I became location independent and I'm about 6' or 6'1", if I was 5'5", I'd probably have become location independent much, much sooner.

Just saying.

You only live once, and even though you say you see yourself as 6'3" or whatnot, your posts seem to hint otherwise.

On the other hand, height's only one of many factors in life, and you've probably got other priorities to focus on.

The answer to the OP? Yes.

Will the void be filled by something else when people finally admit Tinder is even in its death decline?

Or is that time the final time where a real economic or societal decline takes place [again]?

Quote: (11-30-2017 05:57 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I was a dick and sort of did the fade, but it was mostly because work got super busy, and chasing tail is a relatively low priority for me right now. I get more excited about winning a big case than getting my cock sucked...

Priorities always change, women come and go, but you're the one with one life and one time to make something of yourself.

We all adjust accordingly.

Quote: (11-30-2017 06:37 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

The answer to the OP? Yes.

Will the void be filled by something else when people finally admit Tinder is even in its death decline?

Or is that time the final time where a real economic or societal decline takes place [again]?

The void is always filled by something new and exciting:

First it was phone chats/video profiles, then chatrooms, then dating websites, and now dating apps.

There's always going to be another app or thing that people will gravitate to.

Obviously, yes, online dating is very saturated.

A societal decline has been taking effect the last decade, as far as financial ? Well only time will tell.

I can't stand online dating anymore. Even if you have lots of matches, aren't you guys tired with this back and forth? I cant hear the sentence: "I'm not gonna give you my number so fast.." and after 20min joking around in the Tinder chat, we can change to WhatsApp. It's so silly. Deleted all the Apps and now I'm forced to do day game or wanking at home.

I agree, it can be a time suck - BUT depends on how you filter.

Once you've got enough girls banged from online you can pretty much tell if a convo is going somewhere or not.

How to deal with the "number" line, or any of that other shit.

My back and forth can be 4 exchanges, with a good reason to convert to a number, I don't mess with girls who ask for snap/ig/whats app/kik - they aren't worth the squeeze.

The only time I'm really talking to a girl on the app is if I'm taking a shit, at lunch, or the commute, it's not a real time suck.

I've got a main girl, plates, and I stopped jacking off a few years ago.

Apps are convenient because of my lifestyle, time to approach is low (which sucks), I still do social circle game, but I'd rather spend time hanging out with my friends in my free time or ride my Harley.

Once in awhile I'll get off apps and take a break.

If it makes you shorter guys feel any better - I'm a legit 6'3 and am decent enough looking (in shape, well dressed) that I've dated plenty of attractive girls before. I'm in the Washington DC area where the talent is lacking. I've changed my age to 35 so increase the age range(from 40). I've been on and off tinder for the last couple years - and have literally not gotten 1 date w/an attractive girl from tinder. Have been out w/2 girls from bumble that were attractive, dateable girls - one I dated for a few months. Thats in like 2 years. I'm pretty picky about who I match with, but the notion that the 6'3 guys are just cleaning up isnt true, and online in general is very difficult for most guys regardless of height. I'm at the point where I'm considering starting an Instagram page as an alternative to the other online dating sites because they are so weak.

Quote: (11-30-2017 07:37 PM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  

I can't stand online dating anymore. Even if you have lots of matches, aren't you guys tired with this back and forth? I cant hear the sentence: "I'm not gonna give you my number so fast.." and after 20min joking around in the Tinder chat, we can change to WhatsApp. It's so silly. Deleted all the Apps and now I'm forced to do day game or wanking at home.

So many girls are just gaming tinder for attention and validation. If they don't want to give out the number, just move on. There are plenty of girls on there that are still DTF, you just have to punch through the timewasters to find them. This strategy has netted me lots of numbers, dates, and bangs.

It's alot like day game in a sense. Paul Janka used to say that he would quickly bail on an approach if it isn't going in the right direction. Save time and keep it moving, I believe that applies to tinder as well. Hopefully you have plenty of matches so these wafflers won't bother you.

Things have definitely changed over the past few years. I started on Tinder Q4 2013/Q1 2014 and it was relatively simple to get a match with an attractive girl. It was still "newish" to people - there was anonymity and it made dating online acceptable.

After girls realized they can link their instagrams and have the attention of hundreds if not thousands of guys at all times - it became a lot more difficult and a lot less anonymous.

I would consider myself above average looking, in decent shape, and I'm 6' (I'm not super photogenic though.)

When I came back around to it again in 2015 and really tried to use the app again - the level of difficulty to get a woman out or even her number drastically increased. But my male friends who are extremely photogenic still did decently -at least match wise. The girls who I get looks from in public wouldn't even think to swipe right on me on Tinder -it acts like a barrier more than a bridge.

I'm in LA/Orange County area for reference.

Quote: (11-30-2017 12:10 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

I've also noticed that the shortest girls (at least here in America) often end up with the tallest guys. This observation combined with my experience above lead me to an evo-psych theory where a short girl's subconscious knows that if she mates with an equally short guy, the kids would more likely than not turn out VERY short, so perhaps it compels her to be attracted to overly tall man, such that their genes would average out to produce normal height children.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I'd be interested in hearing whether other short guys here tend to have more luck with even shorter girls or those right around their height.

I think that the 'height' issue has crept into this thread due to the fact that height is easily the #1 disqualifier you'll run into online.

An ordeal surely appropriate for a thread of its own, but for now, I'll briefly chime in with a very recent story of how one of my best friends had to dump his 1st girlfriend after enduring a several hour-long crying jag from her - the predominant theme of such being how horrified she found herself to be at the prospect of them having short children. They're both around 5' 5".

I'm sure he'd like to find some way to piece it back together, but I urged him to dump her. Either way, at that point, it was done with.

I am mostly about club game in Eastern Europe . I regularly go out. And it seems - there are periods when they fuck and the periods, when they don't. And this is definitely an empty period - and for some friends of mine ( they are much younger than me, experienced club gamers) it's the same. An fuck period, from my experience, will be closer to Christmas and new-year parties. Then again - an empty one and then about spring time there will be a wild fuck time. I am still getting numbers and kisses,but they are not open to sex. I just collect new contacts now.

Sounds like my decision to avoid these detestable apps at all cost has been vindicated.

Quote: (12-01-2017 08:32 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Sounds like my decision to avoid these detestable apps at all cost has been vindicated.

If I remember correctly, you decided to avoid women altogether.

Quote: (12-01-2017 12:37 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2017 08:32 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Sounds like my decision to avoid these detestable apps at all cost has been vindicated.

If I remember correctly, you decided to avoid women altogether.

I won't lie, 80% of my bangs in the last six months have been from Online Dating sites. 2 from POF, 1 Bumble and 2 CoffeMeetsbagle.
A couple lasted more than a few weeks, but at least it was a break from pornhub, lol.
I'm a big believer in keeping your hooks in the water and traps set. In the past year I've probably had about 30 online exchanges result in phone/text convo's and about half of that resulted in bangs. You just have to decide how much of your time and energy you're willing to devote to this shit.
Roughly half initiated contact with me first. If they're decent and they hit me up first, it's pretty much a guarantee I'm smashing. Usually within 2 or 3 meet-n-greets (MnG), I'm smashing. I limit my time to 1 hour for a MnG then invite them over next time. What's been crazy for me is that I had to teach myself how to game/smash sober since I stopped drinking a few years ago and just recently got out of a cohabitating LTR.
Bottom line Bro's, it's slim fucking pickins in terms of quality individuals on dating websites. The bishes who use them have undesirable traits not cohesive with LTR qualities. Sometimes you'll meet a chick who's on a site who has never tried it before and got talked into it from one of the girlfriends.
Some of these bishes have been on there for years, have been on countless dates, and are just plain whores.

I usually delete my profiles and start from scratch (with brand new pics) periodically. I learned over the years that the algorithm gods will favor you most when you're a new profile to get you hooked. It's then where I get the biggest bang for my buck.

Quote: (11-30-2017 10:20 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Things have definitely changed over the past few years. I started on Tinder Q4 2013/Q1 2014 and it was relatively simple to get a match with an attractive girl. It was still "newish" to people - there was anonymity and it made dating online acceptable.

After girls realized they can link their instagrams and have the attention of hundreds if not thousands of guys at all times - it became a lot more difficult and a lot less anonymous.

It really seemed to turn over after the first 18-24 months and go from interesting new way to meet women to the total soul-crushing goatfuck guys on here are saying.

Quote: (11-30-2017 10:20 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

it acts like a barrier more than a bridge.

Great way of phrasing it.

You want to play to your strengths in the game; fishing in the wrong pond is giving yourself a high difficulty level for no reason.

I've been doing great with apps. Currently have 1 excellent pro photo that suits my personality and 3 solid regular photos. I go fairly direct and grab their digits usually after only 3-4 exchanges. Your photos are vital- and I've seen a discernible increase in matches and actually getting women out since augmenting my photo game.

Tinder has definitely gone downhill, but I've had luck via other avenues (primarily CMB, Happn, Bumble, and most recently Hinge). I feel Bumble has been strongest since September (also coincides with when I got my pro photo). It also probably helps that I'm in a major city.

I never used online, just seems long, but even from nightlife there's been a bit of a lull starting from October since the cold weather started setting in, and with everybody getting into relationships. The Christmas spirit is starting to pick up now though so things are getting moving again.

Okc is completely dead as in less then 20 online chicks in some 2nd tier major cities. It's all migrated to tinder with the few countries being whatever local dating app.

One thing as a non 6 footer that is a major plus is tinder doesn't have height as a selector.

If your aiming for ONS or bust doesn't matter if your 5'9 or 6'2 . If you have good game, the rest will take care of itself. It's all about getting the first meetup. The rest is up to you.

Quote: (11-30-2017 07:54 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

My back and forth can be 4 exchanges, with a good reason to convert to a number, I don't mess with girls who ask for snap/ig/whats app/kik - they aren't worth the squeeze.

Pretty much. If a girl balks at the # request and counter offers with her snapchat/ig/whatever, it's dead in the water. Bitches use these dating apps to accrue more followers on there. If I get a match and see they've included their IG or snap info in their profile, it's pretty much a huge red flag. Off the top of my head I can't think of a single bang gotten from a girl who offered snapchat/ig when I suggested to move the conversation to text.

That's the filtration method...do they give the # readily or not.

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If I remember correctly, you decided to avoid women altogether.

Not true- I talk to them all the time in my normal everyday interactions. Just not going out of my way to find them as I'm too busy.

I think the last update killed okc. I uninstalled.

Coffee meets bagel is decent after they added video and tinder is OK. I’m in nyc and 5’10

Day game is great.